Gaza conflict: Hamas vows no Israel ceasefire

GAZA: -- A reclusive Hamas commander has rejected suggestions the Palestinian militants are ready for a ceasefire with Israel to end violence in Gaza.

In an audio recording, Mohammad Deif, commander of Hamas' military wing, said his soldiers were "eager for death".

His message emerged at the end of a destructive day in Gaza that left the territory's power plant in flames.

Israeli strikes killed more than 100 Palestinians, raising the total killed to more than 1,200, Gaza officials say.

Most of those deaths have been civilians, and 6,700 Palestinians have been injured, according to the Gaza health ministry.

Israel has seen 53 of its soldiers die since conflict with Hamas began on 8 July. Two civilians and a Thai worker have also died.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28554477

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There are still plenty of Palestinians for Hamas to use as cannon fodder for propaganda purposes. Why would they want a ceasefire now?

They key words are in the heading

A reclusive Hamas commander has rejected suggestions the Palestinian militants are ready for a ceasefire with Israel to end violence in Gaza.

 

 Mohammad Deif, commander of Hamas' military wing, said his soldiers were "eager for death".

While Mohammad Deif did say his soldiers were eager for death, he himself appeared to be eager for a delicious plate of goat couscous and a vacation. Chain of command is a good thing, as well as brainwashed soldiers...

Interesting figures these are..... One can see from these who actually is the 'dirty dog of war' here. Hamas seem to be the gentlemen in this fight. Not looking good for Israel's image. But I presume Netanyahu doesn't really care that much. 

 

 

The Israeli offensive, which began on July 8, has killed more than 1190 Palestinians, mostly civilians according to the United Nations, and injured over 7000.

Fifty-six lives have been lost on the Israeli side, all but three of them soldiers.

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/07/30/01/55/israel-asks-for-us-help-on-gaza-truce#Ws5Tqqcaz8JBUtBW.99

 

Hamas seem to be the gentlemen in this fight.

Do "gentlemen" kidnap and murder children, fire thousands of rockets at civilians, use their own people as human shields? 

Yes, we understand the instinctive sympathy that many have for underdogs. We understand the visceral reaction that people have to video of bloodshed in a seemingly lopsided conflict.

But there’s not a government on Earth that wouldn’t have responded in similar fashion to 2,000 missiles being rained on its territory. For these reasons and many more, we hope Israel gets the “sustainable quiet” it seeks — and that Hamas’ decision to incite warfare badly backfires on the terror group.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/21/gaza-carnage-hamas-provocations-to-blame/

I think both sides have raised the ante so much that both sides need to be able to show something real on the ground for their efforts.

 

 Hamas: the release of Hamas prisoners imprisoned without charge a month ago, and the lifting of Gaza blockade so that people can lead normal lives. (both achievable with a penstroke)

 

Israel: guarantee that no more rockets will be fired (achievable through a truce), destruction of Hamas (not so achievable; possible to kill more Hamas militants  and leaders but probably at a more expensive loss of IDF lives, and especially with all the bitterness created, new ones would emerge..it’s very hard to extinguish an idea..only a just peace will achieve that, when one day future generations will read about this in their history books and wonder what the fighting was all about)

 

It’s up to the diplomats, especially USA since they have the most clout, to do some cajoling and horse-trading.

 

 

Not surprising the guy is "reclusive" after four Israeli attempts to kill him.

 

He has survived four Israeli strikes, which caused him serious handicaps. Despite initial reports of his death in an Israeli air strike on 27 September 2002, an Israeli official confirmed that he survived the attack.^[7] His senior assistant, Adnan al-Ghoul, was killed by the Israeli Air Force on 21 October 2004. In the early morning hours of 12 July 2006, Israeli aircraft blasted a house in which high-level Hamas leaders were meeting. Deif survived the blast, but severely injured his spine.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Deif

 

 

In an audio recording, Mohammad Deif, commander of Hamas' military wing, said his soldiers were "eager for death".

 

I'm sure the IDF can oblige, no problem.

 

Hamas stop firing rockets and Israel won't retaliate !

 

That would be a good start, but by "Israel won't retaliate" does that mean IDF ground troops withdrawing back across the border to Israel (give or take 48 hours or so)? Israel would still have its navy and air force to punish any infringements. With IDF troops still within Gaza it might be dubious as to who is firing the first shots that break a truce.

Hamas seem to be the gentlemen in this fight.

Do "gentlemen" kidnap and murder children, fire thousands of rockets at civilians, use their own people as human shields? 

Yes, we understand the instinctive sympathy that many have for underdogs. We understand the visceral reaction that people have to video of bloodshed in a seemingly lopsided conflict.

But there’s not a government on Earth that wouldn’t have responded in similar fashion to 2,000 missiles being rained on its territory. For these reasons and many more, we hope Israel gets the “sustainable quiet” it seeks — and that Hamas’ decision to incite warfare badly backfires on the terror group.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/21/gaza-carnage-hamas-provocations-to-blame/

3 teens were not kidnapped by Hamas.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Jul-26/265229-hamas-not-complicit-in-teens-kidnap-israeli-police.ashx#axzz38upfhh00


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Hamas leaders are big heroes speaking from deep bunkers and 5 star hotels in Doha while

their people are dyeing like flies on the streets of Gaza, and their houses is being bombed to the

stone age, do they really think that they can " win " over Israel?

When you have countries like Iran and Qatar saying we will rebuild you and re arm you, no wonder

the Hamas act like they act, Palestinians life is cheap it seems and so game continue...

 

 

Hamas seem to be the gentlemen in this fight.

Do "gentlemen" kidnap and murder children, fire thousands of rockets at civilians, use their own people as human shields? 

Yes, we understand the instinctive sympathy that many have for underdogs. We understand the visceral reaction that people have to video of bloodshed in a seemingly lopsided conflict.

But there’s not a government on Earth that wouldn’t have responded in similar fashion to 2,000 missiles being rained on its territory. For these reasons and many more, we hope Israel gets the “sustainable quiet” it seeks — and that Hamas’ decision to incite warfare badly backfires on the terror group.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/21/gaza-carnage-hamas-provocations-to-blame/

3 teens were not kidnapped by Hamas.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Jul-26/265229-hamas-not-complicit-in-teens-kidnap-israeli-police.ashx#axzz38upfhh00


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Yes you're absolutely right, those 3 teen where kidnapped by a peace loving, benevolent members 

of the Palestinians scouts in a jamboree meeting, and they were shot almost immediately just to

show them what love is right?

you're entitle to believe in what propaganda you want, but the truth is well known...

 

 

Hamas seem to be the gentlemen in this fight.

Do "gentlemen" kidnap and murder children, fire thousands of rockets at civilians, use their own people as human shields? 

Yes, we understand the instinctive sympathy that many have for underdogs. We understand the visceral reaction that people have to video of bloodshed in a seemingly lopsided conflict.

But there’s not a government on Earth that wouldn’t have responded in similar fashion to 2,000 missiles being rained on its territory. For these reasons and many more, we hope Israel gets the “sustainable quiet” it seeks — and that Hamas’ decision to incite warfare badly backfires on the terror group.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/21/gaza-carnage-hamas-provocations-to-blame/

 

3 teens were not kidnapped by Hamas.

 

You'll have to forgive me if I don't take something published in a Lebanese newspaper about Israel as the gospel truth. 

Hamas leaders are big heroes speaking from deep bunkers and 5 star hotels in Doha while

their people are dyeing like flies on the streets of Gaza, and their houses is being bombed to the

stone age, do they really think that they can " win " over Israel?

When you have countries like Iran and Qatar saying we will rebuild you and re arm you, no wonder

the Hamas act like they act, Palestinians life is cheap it seems and so game continue...

 

I think the Hamas hierarchy would like to see as many Palestinian civilians as possible killed and that is why they force families into areas that they know will be targeted. 'Certain death or injury by the Israeli missiles targeting our strategic points of certain death by us if you refuse to go there, what's your pleasure?' However, despite their strategy to place every man woman and child in harms way, the number of deaths remain much, much lower than Hamas would like, due to the Israeli's taking as much care as possible. Hamas would prefer the number of Palestinian deaths/injuries to be 100 fold, therefore, it's makes sense that they refuse a ceasefire.

Hamas is similar to N.Korea. Both lost ability to reason long ago. Both attract self-affliction in order to get sympathy from their own cadres and from int'l opinion. It's like a little kid in a big family. Every day he's got a bruise or a bloody cut with which to gain attention and sympathy.

What's the alternative? Dialogue and acknowledging Israel is stronger militarily. If the Mexicans thought like the Palestinians, there would be military skirmishing on the borders of Arizona and New Mexico (and Texas and California), with Mexicans continually getting bloodied, while trying to gain territory back - that they lost nearly 200 years ago. How long have the Palestinian/Israeli conflicts been going on? One third the time since Mexico lost its northern territories, ....and it will probably be going on longer than 200 years.

As long as Hamas uses these tactics, their civilians are bound to get killed.

 

Notice the UN turned the rockets back to the "local police", aka Hamas.

 

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THIRD ROCKET ARSENAL FOUND AT UN SCHOOL IN GAZA

 

 

by JORDAN SCHACHTEL  29 Jul 2014, 12:08 PM PDT 

 

 

The United Nations Relief & Works Agency For Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) announced Tuesday that another rocket stockpile has been found at one of its schools in Gaza. This instance marks the third time since the beginning of Operation Protective Edge that a weapons arsenal has been found at an UNRWA school in Gaza.

 

UNRWA has yet to place blame on any individuals or organizations for placing the weapons stockpile within a children’s school. The UN body refused to do so on the past two previous occasions as well.

 

The UN body, after both previous findings, has handed the rockets it had found back into the possession of “the local police," otherwise known as the terrorist group Hamas.

 

This week, UNRWA supplies and building materials had been found in Hamas’s tunnel infrastructure, which has been used to smuggle weapons and carry out attacks on the State of Israel.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/29/THIRD-Rocket-Arsenal-Found-At-UN-School-In-Gaza

 

 

 

Hamas seem to be the gentlemen in this fight.

Do "gentlemen" kidnap and murder children, fire thousands of rockets at civilians, use their own people as human shields? 

Yes, we understand the instinctive sympathy that many have for underdogs. We understand the visceral reaction that people have to video of bloodshed in a seemingly lopsided conflict.

But there’s not a government on Earth that wouldn’t have responded in similar fashion to 2,000 missiles being rained on its territory. For these reasons and many more, we hope Israel gets the “sustainable quiet” it seeks — and that Hamas’ decision to incite warfare badly backfires on the terror group.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/21/gaza-carnage-hamas-provocations-to-blame/

 

Why cut the part of my post out that shows that it is Israel that is "killing children". Not Hamas. Only three Israeli casualties WERE NOT Israeli Defence personnel. And one of those three "civilians" was resupplying IDF troops with rations, so he waives his right to civilian status in a war zone. Do you understand yet ?

 

 

 

Hamas seem to be the gentlemen in this fight.

Do "gentlemen" kidnap and murder children, fire thousands of rockets at civilians, use their own people as human shields? 

Yes, we understand the instinctive sympathy that many have for underdogs. We understand the visceral reaction that people have to video of bloodshed in a seemingly lopsided conflict.

But there’s not a government on Earth that wouldn’t have responded in similar fashion to 2,000 missiles being rained on its territory. For these reasons and many more, we hope Israel gets the “sustainable quiet” it seeks — and that Hamas’ decision to incite warfare badly backfires on the terror group.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/21/gaza-carnage-hamas-provocations-to-blame/

3 teens were not kidnapped by Hamas.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Jul-26/265229-hamas-not-complicit-in-teens-kidnap-israeli-police.ashx#axzz38upfhh00


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Yes you're absolutely right, those 3 teen where kidnapped by a peace loving, benevolent members 

of the Palestinians scouts in a jamboree meeting, and they were shot almost immediately just to

show them what love is right?

you're entitle to believe in what propaganda you want, but the truth is well known...

 

 

 

 Could you please enlighten us with your well informed version of the truth ?

 

 

 

You read the part about Hamas the aggressors stockpiling weapons in childrens schools right ?

 

 

 

Is that why this sort of barbaric act seems to be the flavour of Idf's day ? 

 

 

An Israeli shelling of a UN school in Gaza has killed 20 people, as Palestinian factions were to head to Cairo to discuss a temporary humanitarian ceasefire.
Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/07/30/01/23/gaza-rages-as-palestinians-offer-truce#BOcT1RFdT9cYraFk.99

Do you understand yet ?

Nope. You are trying to justify the atrocities of Hamas - a terrorist group that purposely targets civilians. Sounds like spin.

 

Do you understand yet ?

Nope. You are trying to justify the atrocities of Hamas - a terrorist group that purposely targets civilians. Sounds like spin.

 

 

They have killed 2 civilians out of over 50. Where as Israel has inflicted a civilian body count of over a thousand. The facts were put right in front of you but you refuse to see. Instead you cut those figures out of the post to try and sure up your own false agenda. Your blindness is hilarious dude. Really a bait up I am sure. 

 

You read the part about Hamas the aggressors stockpiling weapons in childrens schools right ?

 
Is that why this sort of barbaric act seems to be the flavour of Idf's day ? 
 
 
An Israeli shelling of a UN school in Gaza has killed 20 people[/size]

 

The blame goes to Hamas for stockpiling weapons in schools, hospitals and Mosques and using civilian dwellings to fire rockets from.

Tuesday’s incident was the third instance in which Palestinian armaments were found in UN facilities in the Gaza Strip. On July 22, the UN agency found rockets stockpiled in another school which “is situated between two other UNRWA schools that currently each accommodate 1,500 internally displaced persons.”

A week before that, UNRWA found some 20 rockets in a school under its auspices, also during a standard inspection. A spokesperson for UNRWA said the organization gave the rockets to “local authorities,” which answer to the Hamas-backed unity government led by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas

Read more: Rockets found in UNRWA school, for third time | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/rockets-found-in-unrwa-school-for-third-time/#ixzz38vQxHbnM
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Why is it so hard for them to lift the blockade?

 

 How is preventing fishing in Gaza necessary for Israeli security? How is preventing items like cilantro, sage, jam, chocolate, french fries, dried fruit, fabrics, notebooks empty flowerpots and toys from entering Gaza, while allowing cinnamon, plastic buckets and combs necessary for Israeli security?

Israeli blockade of Gaza targets civilian population and not fighters

 

 

Do you understand yet ?

Nope. You are trying to justify the atrocities of Hamas - a terrorist group that purposely targets civilians. Sounds like spin.

 

 

They have killed 2 civilians out of over 50.

 

They have fired over 2,000 rockets at civilians and they would have killed every time, if they could have. They don't get extra credit for being inept. 

 

Why is it so hard for them to lift the blockade?

Yeah sure. No one can possibly be that naive.  

The Israel Defense Forces said Wednesday it intercepted an Iranian shipment of "advanced" weapons bound for "terrorist organizations" operating in Gaza.

The Israeli navy stopped a Panamanian-flagged civilian cargo ship and boarded the vessel, the IDF said.

The weapons found were identified as Syrian-manufactured surface-to-surface rockets, IDF spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/05/world/meast/israel-intercepted-weapons/

 

http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-intercepts-major-iranian-weapons-shipment-to-gaza/

Why is it so hard for them to lift the blockade?

 

 How is preventing fishing in Gaza necessary for Israeli security? How is preventing items like cilantro, sage, jam, chocolate, french fries, dried fruit, fabrics, notebooks empty flowerpots and toys from entering Gaza, while allowing cinnamon, plastic buckets and combs necessary for Israeli security?

Israeli blockade of Gaza targets civilian population and not fighters

 

Because if they lift the blockade they will bring about peace. And that is not what Israel wants or is it in their "best interest". They use conflict as a smoke screen to expand their borders and conduct land grabs from the Arabs.

thats two UN run schools if you are counting .

Three schools hoarding Hamas rockets discovered so far.

http://www.timesofis.../#ixzz38vQxHbnM

 

 

Hamas seem to be the gentlemen in this fight.

Do "gentlemen" kidnap and murder children, fire thousands of rockets at civilians, use their own people as human shields? 

Yes, we understand the instinctive sympathy that many have for underdogs. We understand the visceral reaction that people have to video of bloodshed in a seemingly lopsided conflict.

But there’s not a government on Earth that wouldn’t have responded in similar fashion to 2,000 missiles being rained on its territory. For these reasons and many more, we hope Israel gets the “sustainable quiet” it seeks — and that Hamas’ decision to incite warfare badly backfires on the terror group.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/21/gaza-carnage-hamas-provocations-to-blame/

 

Why cut the part of my post out that shows that it is Israel that is "killing children". Not Hamas. Only three Israeli casualties WERE NOT Israeli Defence personnel. And one of those three "civilians" was resupplying IDF troops with rations, so he waives his right to civilian status in a war zone. Do you understand yet ?

 

 

If, as you claim, the one Israeli civilian providing food in a war zone to the IDF had waived his right to "civilian status", how would you treat Palestinians who have been providing aid and comfort to Hamas?

 

Have they waived their rights to "civilian status"?

how would you treat Palestinians who have been providing aid and comfort to Hamas?

That would make most of them fair game.