ED Visa runs out in 2 months/ I want to stay for another 6 months, Help !

[bertty]

Hi all, I have been on an ED Visa which has 2 months left.

I was offered a job in Bangkok 4 months ago and moved from Pattaya to Bangkok to get ready to start work, but a work permit was never given to me.

I didn't realize at that time you had to have a visa before you could start working, the  boss told me as long as he had started the process then I was covered.

Once I found out this was a lie I left.

Trouble is I now have 7 months left on my condo contract in Bangkok, which is no problem as living here is fine. But I'm no longer studying and as I said my visa will be up in 2 months.

What I'm trying to find out is, is it possible for me to stay in Thailand for 6 months after my visa expires ?

I had been reading so many forums trying to find this out, but am none  the wiser.

I could go the retirement route but I'm only intending to stay for 6 more months after the visa runs out, so seems a lot of expense for such a short time.

The double entry is what I would like to do, but is that still possible? is there a country I can do that close to Thailand?

Or would flying back to England be the thing to do, and get a visa there ?

I have 500,000 baht in the bank here, half of which came from the job I was doing.

Any help would be very much welcome. Thanks.

 

[Mario2008]

If over 50 the best bet would be to go for an extension based on retirement. The cost of the extension would be 1,900 baht.

 

You would need to show:

- an income of 65,000 baht a month (can be from abroad)

OR

-  800,000 baht in a Thai bank account for 2 months

OR

- a combination of yearly income and money in the bank in Thailand, together totaling 800,000 baht.

 

This last might be your best option.

 

Income abroad would be proven with a letter from your embassy, your embassy decides what they will accept.

[ubonjoe]

A 2 entry tourist visa from Vientiane would give you about 6 months of total stay.

[bertty]

Thanks for your reply.

I rent my house out in England this gives me  over a thousand pounds per month, so that and the money I have in the bank here comes to more than what is needed.

I don't want to bring anymore money to Thailand yet, so would the rent money being paid in to my bank in England be ok, or does it need to be paid in to a bank here ?

I ready don't know whether  to go to the British embassy or Thai immirgration  office....I  have been to 2 visa agents they want 50,000 baht to assist. So not really an option as I'm not keen on being ripped off. I mainly went in the hope of some advise, but they are just after the money.

[bertty]

A 2 entry tourist visa from Vientiane would give you about 6 months of total stay.

OK  many thanks, and it's still ok to do this ?  This is where it all gets so complicated!!!!

Also if doing this would I need to show onward travel after the 6 months ?

Thank you.

[ubonjoe]

You can get an income letter from the embassy; Info here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-obtain-a-pensionincome-letter-for-thai-immigration

At today's exchange rate your income of 1k pound gives you an annual income of about 640k baht meaning you would only need a little over 160k baht in a Thai bank.

You will need a letter from your bank and copies of your bank and the income letter. Then go to immigration and apply for an extension of stay based upon retirement before your current extension of stay ends.

You could do it now if you can get letter from the school to take to immigration stating you are no longer attending classes on the date you a apply for the retirement extension.

[ubonjoe]

 

A 2 entry tourist visa from Vientiane would give you about 6 months of total stay.

OK  many thanks, and it's still ok to do this ?  This is where it all gets so complicated!!!!

Also if doing this would I need to show onward travel after the 6 months ?

Thank you.

 

No problem to get a 2 entry visa and use it. You will not need a ticket.

I suggest you get the retirement extension. You will not even need to leave the country to get it.

[gk10002000]

Not studying now?  Why not start studying and renewing or getting a new ED visa? 

[Mario2008]

Not studying now?  Why not start studying and renewing or getting a new ED visa? 

 

Why pay for a study if you can get an extesion based o retirement for 1,900 baht?

[simon43]

 But I'm no longer studying and as I said my visa will be up in 2 months.

 

Hmm, no longer studying, so what justification do you have to stay here on your ED visa?

 

Just asking...

[bertty]

 

 But I'm no longer studying and as I said my visa will be up in 2 months.

 

Hmm, no longer studying, so what justification do you have to stay here on your ED visa?

 

Just asking...

 

Thank you for your concern, have you even thrown a bit of litter on the floor ?

Many thanks to all those who have taken the time to try and help.

[Suradit69]

 

 

 But I'm no longer studying and as I said my visa will be up in 2 months.

 

Hmm, no longer studying, so what justification do you have to stay here on your ED visa?

 

Just asking...

 

Thank you for your concern, have you even thrown a bit of litter on the floor ?

Many thanks to all those who have taken the time to try and help.

 

 

While his question may not have been worded the best way, the question is legitimate. It probably would not be a problem, but if your permission to stay is based on studying in Pattaya and you've stopped being a student & moved to a new residential address (and reported the address change to Immigrations??), in the current environment that could be regarded using an non-imm ED for a purpose other than it was intended.

[bertty]

 

 

 

 But I'm no longer studying and as I said my visa will be up in 2 months.

 

Hmm, no longer studying, so what justification do you have to stay here on your ED visa?

 

Just asking...

 

Thank you for your concern, have you even thrown a bit of litter on the floor ?

Many thanks to all those who have taken the time to try and help.

 

 

While his question may not have been worded the best way, the question is legitimate. It probably would not be a problem, but if your permission to stay is based on studying in Pattaya and you've stopped being a student & moved to a new residential address (and reported the address change to Immigrations??), in the current environment that could be regarded using an non-imm ED for a purpose other than it was intended.

 

Yes I am aware of that, hence the fact I am asking how I can change my visa. Sorry if either of you missed that point.

As I have said already, thanks to those who have offered good advise. Not so many thanks to those who feel the need to act the smart arse.

[Suradit69]

 

 

 

Thank you for your concern, have you even thrown a bit of litter on the floor ?

Many thanks to all those who have taken the time to try and help.

 

 

While his question may not have been worded the best way, the question is legitimate. It probably would not be a problem, but if your permission to stay is based on studying in Pattaya and you've stopped being a student & moved to a new residential address (and reported the address change to Immigrations??), in the current environment that could be regarded using an non-imm ED for a purpose other than it was intended.

 

Yes I am aware of that, hence the fact I am asking how I can change my visa. Sorry if either of you missed that point.

As I have said already, thanks to those who have offered good advise. Not so many thanks to those who feel the need to act the smart arse.

 

 

"...as I said my visa will be up in 2 months."

 

Presumably your permission to stay would have ended when you quit as a student since being a student was the basis/pretense for you being allowed to stay in Thailand.

 

 

"...many thanks to those who feel the need to act the smart arse."

 

Obviously  desperation is taking its toll and, of course, that justifies your childish reactions to reasonable comments.

 

Actually you are trying to change your permission/extension of stay after another two months of remaining in Thailand on a permission to stay that no long applies to you. Sorry if you can't comprehend that and that you seem to have a chip on your shoulder as you move from being a "student" to being a clueless job seeker to being in a state of limbo.

 

Possibly if you better understood the law before jumping at the first job offer that came your way and if you actually continued as a student, you wouldn't find yourself in this position.  But then I doubt you readily accept any responsibility for the problems you experience. It's always someone else's fault, I'm sure.

[shocky2004]

Some schools (Pro Language for example) when you take a 1 year ED Visa you will receive 180 lessons and you have the option to take all these lessons in 8 months, so after that you have 4 months to do whatever you want (that's like this where i go)

[bertty]

Yes Suradit69, 

Don't you just love people who have the number 69 in their profiles. SO funny.

 

For someone who doesn't know me or anything about me, you sure seem to be getting very personal very quickly.

My childish response was because I came on here to ask for some advise. I am aware my actions are my own fault and am not blaming anyone else.

Did you miss the bit where I said I left the job when I realized there was no permit forthcoming ?

I am not in any state of limbo, I could go back to the UK and go back to work there tomorrow if I did so wish.

I have plenty of money to support my self, so am far from a jobless layabout.

I came on here for advice, which a number of people have given. Trouble is that having been reading this forum for several months, I always knew there would be some total wally who would act the idiot.

Thanks for not letting me down.

[SoFarAndNear]

 
I highly doubt that this will work. If you were in Thailand for more then 180 days in a year they will probably deny your entry. Even if you will get the tourist visa at an embassy or consulate.
 
Situations like this are the side effects of all this immigration changes. Why do you care about your rental? I know you will loose deposit. You should tell your owner that you cant rent and pay because the country doesn't allow you to live in the country. finish...

[harrry]

By rights the visa was not valid the day you sttopped studying and you should have that day gone to immigration and got a 7 day extension to leave the country.
If they want to get technical (and in some cases they have) you are on overstay now and subject to arrest and deportation. That they have not done that does not mean that it could not happen.  

Personally I could  not care less whether you did not realise it or not but the way you react to people trying to help you could and in my case will infulence whether people try to help you further or not.

[ubonjoe]

I highly doubt that this will work. If you were in Thailand for more then 180 days in a year they will probably deny your entry. Even if you will get the tourist visa at an embassy or consulate.
 
Situations like this are the side effects of all this immigration changes. Why do you care about your rental? I know you will loose deposit. You should tell your owner that you cant rent and pay because the country doesn't allow you to live in the country. finish...

There is no 180 days in a year rule. I don't where you got that from but it is wrong.

[bertty]

Ok Harry, so how does that work then ?  I go to immigration to tell them I have stopped studying, and tell them I have been offered work and ask for a 7 day extension to leave the country.

Do I then  fly in daily to do the work or what ? 

I know I am on the wrong visa, I know I shouldn't be here, I am trying to sort it out. Hence the fact I am asking for peoples advice.

I am not asking for people to state the bleeding obivious. Is that really so hard to work out ?

The condo/house you live in was probably built by people who shouldn't be in the country and built with dirty money as many are.

How would you feel if it was illegal and was going to be torn down ?
When does It all end huh?

I really don't need people getting all high and mighty on me.  People who would cry like a baby if something like the above was to happen to them.

 

Hey Harry, if I go to one of these visa agencies and  give them 50,000 baht and they get me a visa in the next 3 days without me having the money in the bank or the rest of that stuff, is that ok by you ?  if a corrupt officer signs a piece of paper does that make everything alright ?

This county is built on corruption, I'm think you should be worrying more about the corruption at the top rather than someone beingon the wrong visa.

 

But again thanks for your concern.

 

[bertty]

 

I highly doubt that this will work. If you were in Thailand for more then 180 days in a year they will probably deny your entry. Even if you will get the tourist visa at an embassy or consulate.
 
Situations like this are the side effects of all this immigration changes. Why do you care about your rental? I know you will loose deposit. You should tell your owner that you cant rent and pay because the country doesn't allow you to live in the country. finish...

There is no 180 days in a year rule. I don't where you got that from but it is wrong.

 

 Hi ubonjoe, I shall be taking your advice and going for the retirement visa, I will go to the British embassy tomorrow to find out just what I need.

Hopefully then all these poor dear souls can stop worrying so much, and can sleep so much easier.

[harrry]

Ok Harry, so how does that work then ?  I go to immigration to tell them I have stopped studying, and tell them I have been offered work and ask for a 7 day extension to leave the country.

Do I then  fly in daily to do the work or what ? 

I know I am on the wrong visa, I know I shouldn't be here, I am trying to sort it out. Hence the fact I am asking for peoples advice.

I am not asking for people to state the bleeding obivious. Is that really so hard to work out ?

The condo/house you live in was probably built by people who shouldn't be in the country and built with dirty money as many are.

How would you feel if it was illegal and was going to be torn down ?
When does It all end huh?

I really don't need people getting all high and mighty on me.  People who would cry like a baby if something like the above was to happen to them.

 

Hey Harry, if I go to one of these visa agencies and  give them 50,000 baht and they get me a visa in the next 3 days without me having the money in the bank or the rest of that stuff, is that ok by you ?  if a corrupt officer signs a piece of paper does that make everything alright ?

This county is built on corruption, I'm think you should be worrying more about the corruption at the top rather than someone beingon the wrong visa.

 

But again thanks for your concern.

 

That is what every person who leaves a job in this country has to do.  If you do go to one of the visa sellers and get caught you will get absolutely no sympathy from me when you get arrested, convicted for visa fraud and serve a sentance for that and then deported and then as a convicted criminal will have  a lifetime ban from this country and many others.

I do not write the laws of this country but I do try to obey them.  

[MikeN]

Some schools (Pro Language for example) when you take a 1 year ED Visa you will receive 180 lessons and you have the option to take all these lessons in 8 months, so after that you have 4 months to do whatever you want (that's like this where i go)

Except that when you extend every 3 months you have to get paperwork from the school, stating when your course finishes (among other stuff). When the course finishes at the end of 8 months, that's the end of your extensions too. Pro Language put the wrong month on the forms for one of my extensions, Immigration said they could only give me the 2 months up until that incorrect date, not 3 months.

[Mudcrab]

I have 500,000 baht in the bank here, half of which came from the job I was doing.

 

Working on an ED visa?

[Getyourfactsright]

Some schools (Pro Language for example) when you take a 1 year ED Visa you will receive 180 lessons and you have the option to take all these lessons in 8 months, so after that you have 4 months to do whatever you want (that's like this where i go)

Except that when you extend every 3 months you have to get paperwork from the school, stating when your course finishes (among other stuff). When the course finishes at the end of 8 months, that's the end of your extensions too. Pro Language put the wrong month on the forms for one of my extensions, Immigration said they could only give me the 2 months up until that incorrect date, not 3 months.

Its odd because I've never been asked for paperwork upon my 90 days extension ever. I go in, give passport and out in 5 mins. My school does something similar to what the above poster put re length of study and although I am sure there is some corruption between the school and immigration I don't question. Maybe I should but then that could open up a bigger can of worms for everyone. I have just finished my lesson quota for this term which ended in and exam and I will return for the second year. I guess I don't worry so much about the situation because I am married to a Thai man and we also are in business partnership but I can understand why people do.

[Malthus101]

gEt moRe EDuKateted...!

[bertty]

I have 500,000 baht in the bank here, half of which came from the job I was doing.

 

Working on an ED visa?

Yep.  Kinda like being a rapist in England huh.

Don't you worry about Thailand being one of the worst country in the world for gun crime. Someone worked on the wrong visa, just how much worse can it be ??

Scum of the earth !!!!

[Meritus]

... just make a propper visa ... the rest ... som nam na ...

[paz]

... just make a propper visa ... the rest ... som nam na ...

You don't ever write in proper English, now you want to write Thai?

[bertty]

 

... just make a propper visa ... the rest ... som nam na ...

You don't ever write in proper English, now you want to write Thai?

 

 

Ever or even ?

Trouble might be solved for me, I'm going back to the school hopefully next week.