Patpong traders tell NCPO of police extortion

[Zeegator]

I don't jump to that conclusion. First of all, police are paid a very small amount of money (ooops I assume they are lowly paid). This is a way to make a livable wage. They are charging for their services. Is there a better way. Yes! have the city charge the vendors a larger fee - a tax. Push the money into the police dept for salaries. As long as someone has a job that does not pay enough to care about losing it then expect things like this to happen. They must be paid more, given rules, then fired/jail for violating the rules. The first step - pay them more so they do not want to lose their jobs.

 

"have the city charge the vendors a larger fee - a tax."

 

That can't be done, the Patpong area between sois 1 and 2 is a piece of land privately owned by the Patpong family, not by BMA.

[rametindallas]

Many shades of grey, but out and out corruption and extortionate protection must be stamped out to give this country a chance to bring in proper law and order. Where is the Thai Eliot Ness when we need him?.

I think he is in Thailand and using the alias, 'Prayuth Chan-Ocha'. Time will tell if he is 'untouchable'.[attachment=277473:Smiley Face with monocle.jpg.png]

[slygeeza]

the Thai police are really just tax collectors, the only reason they put them in police uniforms and called them police is to give tourists the illusion that there is a police force in Thailand

[SureNDT]

I can't think of a more horrible, scummy bunch of people than the Patpong street vendors, other than the uniformed criminals of course.

[spidermike007]

This is a good time to get the revenue collection agents, to start behaving like law enforcement officials. We all hope the military can put a dent into this. But, the real responsibility has to be with the central government. If you really think about it, in exchange for giving a rank and file officer 10K a month in salary, there is an unspoken pact, that they are allowed to extort money from the citizens of this land. Nothing else makes sense. Some of these guys have to pay for their guns, their uniforms, etc. The government gives them so little in the way of equipment and salary. Billions are required, if Thailand ever expects to get its police force up to international standards. Perhaps tens of billions, and I am speaking of US dollars. Forensic labs, properly equipped, foreign training for the experts, proper detectives, with excellent training, etc. Right now, the Thai police force is stuck in a kind of time limbo, decades behind the rest of the civilized world. 

[Baerboxer]

Many shades of grey, but out and out corruption and extortionate protection must be stamped out to give this country a chance to bring in proper law and order. Where is the Thai Eliot Ness when we need him?.

 

25 years ago I started visiting the Far East several times a year on business. We had several clients in Thailand and therefore the last 7-10 days of my trips were spent here.

 

When flying back I always used to think how lucky we were to have so much less corruption in our daily lives, especially with law enforcement, judicial systems and government, local and central.

 

Sadly, things have never really improved much in all that time.

[californiabeachboy]

I have no idea who to believe here. Wouldn't it be great if Thailand had an independent judiciary, with an independent prosecutor and defense, with witnesses under oath, who are subject to perjury if they lie? And the trial is open to the public.

 

I know I maybe be dreaming, but small steps are sometimes necessary, and I think that some small steps would go a long way towards eliminating the corruption here, more so than creating another "commission" to look into corruption.

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and 100 to 500 baht per bottle of beer for pingpong shows, which is advertised as 100 baht per bottle once you get in your are trapped!!

 

Serves you rather right then, doesn't it?   Or were you looking for sympathy for those who are interested in that trashy kind of thing?

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Heads will roll.

 

No. They won't 

[heybruce]

So the place that is so well known for scamming people is complaining that the bribes they paid which helped then carry on their illegal businesses are too much

Legally they should have all been arrested long time ago
Be carefull what they wish for ?????

 

People with guns extort money from these vendors and the vendors pay.  Your solution is to lock up the people who pay.  Is that correct?
 

[asdecas]

Not true, In Patpong I once simply run off, after depositing 200 B each on the table. It was fun! :-)

My friend absolutely wanted to see a Ping Pong show and then came a bill of 2500 B each. No way, I thought, and we were too quick for those losers. Yeah !!!

 

and 100 to 500 baht per bottle of beer for pingpong shows, which is advertised as 100 baht per bottle once you get in your are trapped!!

 

 

You were lucky, my friend. I have witnessed big, toned foreigners beaten to a pulp outside the bars on Patpong 1 by the packs of maengda that come a-running when they sniff farang blood. The sound of a skull cracking as it hits the kerbstones is not pleasant. Never get involved, you are only ever one in a foreign land and they can summon assistance.
 

[smew]

keep NCPO a the government

[laobali]

Heres an important example:   A group of young Thai people Are going to Uni to study "business" in hope of a job in the government or banking, they all make friends, they all keep phone numbers, later when "Johny" gets a job with the land department, he can the do business with "Jenny" who has gone into construction by signing off deals for a nice fee, they think this is "Business" they do not call it "Corruption"  - Corruption in Thailand is so deep you would not believe it!

You left out an important bit (and it's the same in Laos); Johnny and Jenny don't "get" their jobs in the government, police, army, tessaban, utility or bank; they pay a large sum to someone in the hierarchy first! Edited August 1, 2014 by laobali

[ChrisY1]

I remember sitting in a bar right near the entrance to Nana Plaza several years ago.....

A military (army) Volvo sedan, with motor bike escort, pulled into the entance lane, a officer emerged from the back seat with a bag, and started to visit all bars, upstairs and down.....took over 1 hour.

The mama-san in the bar I was at paid him 50K.....the then monthly "fee" for a small bar.

 

[aussieinthailand]

 

If you run a business and have foreign workers you have to pay the BIB REGARDLESS of the workers having paperwork, ie work visa, work permit, etc,

They even do it at hospitals that have foreign workers.    The top cop buy's his position and can keep it for approximately 10 years after that it is sold too another cop, so the extortion money is for getting your money back with a very tidy profit.   They don't even care that they are on CCTV,   they know they are well protected as it all comes from the big boy's in BKK...   Why don't the internal affairs ever seem to catch these guy's?  OP"S THEY ARE ON THE PAYROLL ALSO HEHEHEHE

 

Everyone pay, even Thai Companies with Thai Staff only.

 

Well I'm just happy that the people are waking up and starting to stand up for them selves,  time the rest of the country did also!!!!

[Neurath]

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Many shades of grey, but out and out corruption and extortionate protection must be stamped out to give this country a chance to bring in proper law and order. Where is the Thai Eliot Ness when we need him?.

 

Too busy being Al Capone?

[nick02]

good news , hope them clear this chit mafia police ...this boeing when them take our money everytime...

them job take care people free not be mafia police...

 

good job no stop to clear .... :-)

 

[ginjag]

the Thai police are really just tax collectors, the only reason they put them in police uniforms and called them police is to give tourists the illusion that there is a police force in Thailand

 

So at the end of each month the relevant police stations does his accounts and goes to the bank and forwards the cash straight into the Thailand inland revenue  ?????      

[Emster23]

I see this as hopeful baby steps and indication that perhaps some of small Thai business people have some belief that there can be an end to massive corruption. The size of the payoff is not as important as the fact it is a payoff. It adds up. Actual revenue office assessing reasonable taxes is hoped for. Police should be police, not shakedown force as they have been for so long. Of course need pay increase and equipment allowance, but if transparency of taxes revenues and expenditures were to come in, would have to be good for economy.

 I hope this example will serve as incentive for others who have had the squeeze put on them by BIB to come forward.

[belg]

hope the general will help clean up this act ... men paid to serve and protect, but instead changed it in : watch my batch & pay me

[HerbalEd]

and 100 to 500 baht per bottle of beer for pingpong shows, which is advertised as 100 baht per bottle once you get in your are trapped!!

Sorry you have to pay so much. Why do you keep going back? You must really like the show.

[sandy31]

If you run a business and have foreign workers you have to pay the BIB REGARDLESS of the workers having paperwork, ie work visa, work permit, etc,

They even do it at hospitals that have foreign workers.    The top cop buy's his position and can keep it for approximately 10 years after that it is sold too another cop, so the extortion money is for getting your money back with a very tidy profit.   They don't even care that they are on CCTV,   they know they are well protected as it all comes from the big boy's in BKK...   Why don't the internal affairs ever seem to catch these guy's?  OP"S THEY ARE ON THE PAYROLL ALSO HEHEHEHE

I had a bar in Kata, Phuket. I had to pay the police 1500 baht a week and also had to get a licence from the government offices in Phuket town to allow copy CDs to be played in the bar !!!!!

[chongtak]

Happens all over Thailand, we have a friend in Chiangmai who owns a small business and she has to pay the police 5K every month as do all her neighbours.

I confirm. It's the case in my neighbourhood (jedyod), it's around 4k-5k.

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[NeilSA1]

 

and 100 to 500 baht per bottle of beer for pingpong shows, which is advertised as 100 baht per bottle once you get in your are trapped!!

 

Serves you rather right then, doesn't it?   Or were you looking for sympathy for those who are interested in that trashy kind of thing?

 

Hey krystian, thanks for the heads up.               

[looping]

Traders should be careful, no corruption = no fake goods.
Next thing the ping pong shows will complain that they have to pay bribes to keep doing their shows. BTW, will someone please close them down, talk about disgusting.
I guess they think as long as they pay someone off, they're doing nothing wrong, and feel justified to cry for help if the bribes are too much. Same same.


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[Fullstop]

What an absolutely disgusting country. Ironically... I still love living here.

[Sailingbum1]

 

 

For instance, they said they used to pay 2,000 baht for a foreign migrant worker working in Patpong and now the price has doubled to 4,000 baht.

 

How hypocritical. Complaining about paying bribes to break the law? lol

 

 

How Hypocriycal. BEING THE LAW AND DEMANDING PAYMENT to break the laws you made and/or are sworn to uphold. Instead of enforcing the law the police allows not obeying it to flourish for their own gain in  a cultural stigma as they extort money for it like the trash those people are. The needs and problems of the migrants aside is certainly not a humanitarian act on the extortionists side.        

   With the extra money and enforcement of the act more money would be available for the supposed law breaking employer, and a legal worker could be hired and honest money could stay for honest working people. Instead of bottoms feeder taking from the top shelf  These officials are Piranhas in places of governmental authority. Extortion is a much more dispicable act then hiring a migrant.
 

[3NUMBAS]

well well what a surprise

[climbertrev1]

 

If you run a business and have foreign workers you have to pay the BIB REGARDLESS of the workers having paperwork, ie work visa, work permit, etc,

They even do it at hospitals that have foreign workers.    The top cop buy's his position and can keep it for approximately 10 years after that it is sold too another cop, so the extortion money is for getting your money back with a very tidy profit.   They don't even care that they are on CCTV,   they know they are well protected as it all comes from the big boy's in BKK...   Why don't the internal affairs ever seem to catch these guy's?  OP"S THEY ARE ON THE PAYROLL ALSO HEHEHEHE

 

Everyone pay, even Thai Companies with Thai Staff only.

 

Then it is time for all Thai people to stand up to this extortion. You now have a golden opportunity take it. Of course those who benefit from the extortion will not be happy.