The Democrat party to demand truth about Khao Yai land and house



BANGKOK: -- The Democrat party will demand an investigation into the conduct of former Department of Special Investigation chief Tarit Pengdit and his wife, Mrs Wassamon, over the allegation that both of them might have encroached on national forest reserve near Khao Yai.

Former Democrat list MP Watchara Petthong said Tuesday that he doubted why the big house near Khao Yai which was reported to be owned by Mrs Wassamon was demolished before the arrival of forest officials if the house did not belong to her.

The demolished house is in the same compound with Mrs Wassamon’s house but the Pengdit family denied that they own the house or the land on which the house was built.

Mr Watchara said he would go to the Forest and Land departments to find out the truth about the land and house in question and to demand the justice permanent secretary to order a disciplinary probe on Mrs Wassamon, an official of the DSI.

He also said that he would ask the permanent secretary of PM’s Ofifice to conduct a disciplinary probe on Mr Tarit for alleged land encroachment at Khao Yai.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/democrat-party-demand-truth-khao-yai-land-house/

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Please do not dig up land encroachment history. It will only shame some previous prime minister, ministers and generals.

Fine sentiments and I agree with them.

 

However this investigation inquiry and any other subsequent investigation inquiries must cover all suspect proven or possible  land abuse situations irrespective of family, political, or other connections.

 

If there is to be a grand house cleaning operation not one corner can nor must be spared, root out  the abuse of  both power and position, it will take time but it has to be done and it must be impartial.

 

Thailand and its peoples are waiting on a new dawn which if  the system works properly will benefit all as opposed to the select few as the system has done over the  years.

 

Justice must be done as opposed to being seen to be done.

 

Fiat justitia ruat caelum 

 

 "Let justice be done though the heavens fall."

What is needed here is an insider, someone with knowledge and a willingness to share it, someone who might be described as a "whistleblower". Oh the irony.

What is needed is Tarit behind bars, so every Thai can see the new government really means business in fighting corruption. It's nonsense that he and the mrs. wouldn't know anything about the houses.

 

What arrogance that they think they can get away with it by a simple denial.

Edited August 6, 201411 yr by EricBerg

Please do not dig up land encroachment history. It will only shame some previous prime minister, ministers and generals.

 

And that surely is the reason for doing it, and being seen to do it, No Double Standards !

 

Regardless of whether it is Sorayud or Thaksin or Tarit or whoever.

Please do not dig up land encroachment history. It will only shame some previous prime minister, ministers and generals.

might i just add..these sort of people have no shame...the only shame is ..is that all..get away with it for so long..

 

Mr Watchara said he would go to the Forest and Land departments to find out the truth about the land and house in question and to demand the justice permanent secretary to order a disciplinary probe on Mrs Wassamon, an official of the DSI.
 

Good luck. These officials are wizards with correction fluid...

 

Please do not dig up land encroachment history. It will only shame some previous prime minister, ministers and generals.

 

And that surely is the reason for doing it, and being seen to do it, No Double Standards !

 

Regardless of whether it is Sorayud or Thaksin or Tarit or whoever.

 

 

Yes for sure no double standard. The Dem Party should also demand the truth about the land forest encroachment on a mountain in Koh Samui by the son of Suthep, Tean Thaugsuban.

 

 

Please do not dig up land encroachment history. It will only shame some previous prime minister, ministers and generals.

 

And that surely is the reason for doing it, and being seen to do it, No Double Standards !

 

Regardless of whether it is Sorayud or Thaksin or Tarit or whoever.

 

 

Yes for sure no double standard. The Dem Party should also demand the truth about the land forest encroachment on a mountain in Koh Samui by the son of Suthep, Tean Thaugsuban.

 

Fair enough Eric.  And he wouldn't be the first politician, high office holder or Hi So with a son (or daughter) who had ideas about the non-application of the laws of the land to their activities.  But I am not sure why it should be the job of the Democrat Party.  Was it some high official of the PTP who was meant to be driving the bulldozer this morning?????  If you have the evidence, why don't you lodge a private prosecution yourself?   If the evidence is good, the state prosecution office will probably take it over from you.    Go for it Eric.  Don't be shy.  But if you are acting on heresay evidence, just be prepared for the consequences.

Edited August 6, 201411 yr by The Deerhunter

 

 

Please do not dig up land encroachment history. It will only shame some previous prime minister, ministers and generals.

 

And that surely is the reason for doing it, and being seen to do it, No Double Standards !

 

Regardless of whether it is Sorayud or Thaksin or Tarit or whoever.

 

 

Yes for sure no double standard. The Dem Party should also demand the truth about the land forest encroachment on a mountain in Koh Samui by the son of Suthep, Tean Thaugsuban.

 

 

Ex army General and PM Sorrayuth walk free, or is he charged? No double standard please.

 

http://thaiintelligentnews.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/thai-land-rich-man-poor-man-hack-it-out/

 

“Thai public prosecutor says Sorrayuth, not guilty.”

 

Please do not dig up land encroachment history. It will only shame some previous prime minister, ministers and generals.

 
And that surely is the reason for doing it, and being seen to do it, No Double Standards !
 
Regardless of whether it is Sorayud or Thaksin or Tarit or whoever.
 

 
Yes for sure no double standard. The Dem Party should also demand the truth about the land forest encroachment on a mountain in Koh Samui by the son of Suthep, Tean Thaugsuban.

Shouldn't be a problem for them, after all as suthep ain't a member of the Dem party, why would they care?

Even then, let's not forget, this is the party that rejected an amnesty bill that would have benefited a lot of their members. Maybe they are trying to change.

Long shot I know, but one can hope.

Edited August 6, 201411 yr by Bluespunk

 

 

 

Please do not dig up land encroachment history. It will only shame some previous prime minister, ministers and generals.

 

And that surely is the reason for doing it, and being seen to do it, No Double Standards !

 

Regardless of whether it is Sorayud or Thaksin or Tarit or whoever.

 

 

Yes for sure no double standard. The Dem Party should also demand the truth about the land forest encroachment on a mountain in Koh Samui by the son of Suthep, Tean Thaugsuban.

 

Fair enough Eric.  And he wouldn't be the first politician, high office holder or Hi So with a son (or daughter) who had ideas about the non-application of the laws of the land to their activities.  But I am not sure why it should be the job of the Democrat Party.  Was it some high official of the PTP who was meant to be driving the bulldozer this morning?????  If you have the evidence, why don't you lodge a private prosecution yourself?   If the evidence is good, the state prosecution office will probably take it over from you.    Go for it Eric.  Don't be shy.  But if you are acting on heresay evidence, just be prepared for the consequences.

 

Indeed if the evidence is strong make a case. Let them go after him too no double standards. However if its just hearsay and such then don't make a case. I will be waiting to read about your case in the paper. Though I think I am in for a long wait. 

 

But seriously in Phuket they caught more then a few people in forrest land. I would think that its primarily Democrat party there so it seems they go after everyone.

 

 

 

Please do not dig up land encroachment history. It will only shame some previous prime minister, ministers and generals.

 

And that surely is the reason for doing it, and being seen to do it, No Double Standards !

 

Regardless of whether it is Sorayud or Thaksin or Tarit or whoever.

 

 

Yes for sure no double standard. The Dem Party should also demand the truth about the land forest encroachment on a mountain in Koh Samui by the son of Suthep, Tean Thaugsuban.

 

Fair enough Eric.  And he wouldn't be the first politician, high office holder or Hi So with a son (or daughter) who had ideas about the non-application of the laws of the land to their activities.  But I am not sure why it should be the job of the Democrat Party.  Was it some high official of the PTP who was meant to be driving the bulldozer this morning?????  If you have the evidence, why don't you lodge a private prosecution yourself?   If the evidence is good, the state prosecution office will probably take it over from you.    Go for it Eric.  Don't be shy.  But if you are acting on heresay evidence, just be prepared for the consequences.

 

 

Apparently you have been very selective in your beliefs. Taen was charged together with 3 other accomplices by DSI. The case was headline news in 2012 and the DSI has enough evidence to charged them. As this case involved a senior Dem MP (Taen), case was handed to the NACC to consider taking action. Rest is predictable by the NACC; no action as they have other more urgent agenda to rush through. 

It's always amusing to read Pheu-Thai supporters avoiding the subject completely and trying to say "But the Democrats did it as well." as if that makes it alright. They miss the point that most commentators on here don't care which party the accused belongs to. It just so happens that the most dirty and corrupt always belong to Pheu-Thai : what other kind of person would swear to obey a man like Thaksin to get power ?. The 310:0 amnesty bill vote was a real eye-opener for me to see the extent of the rot.

 

I think all politicians should be housed in a national park. Let em build, I say.

Any case involving politicians prosecuted by the DSI under Tarit since 2011is questionable. Not in that it may be fraudulent, but likely to be politically motivated and possibly malicious.

Edited August 6, 201411 yr by Bluespunk

Any case involving politicians prosecuted by the DSI under Tarit since 2011is questionable. Not in that it may be fraudulent, but likely to be politically motivated and possibly malicious.

 

If you hoped to imply that the abhisit and suthep murder case was politically motivated or malicious by applying your "rule" you'll be out of luck. The indictment order for that case was signed by the Office of the Attorney General and accepted by the Courts, thus ratifying the charges - unless of course you're saying that the OAG and the Courts are politically motivated against the accused.

Any case involving politicians prosecuted by the DSI under Tarit since 2011is questionable. Not in that it may be fraudulent, but likely to be politically motivated and possibly malicious.

 

Agreed that political influence should never be involved with any prosecution or charges but it is happening in Thailand. In fact, a former constitution court President Khun Wasan admitted that decision to dissolve the pro Taksin PPP was politically influenced and motivated. Sad truth that there will always be double standard in Thailand.
 

 

Any case involving politicians prosecuted by the DSI under Tarit since 2011is questionable. Not in that it may be fraudulent, but likely to be politically motivated and possibly malicious.

 

If you hoped to imply that the abhisit and suthep murder case was politically motivated or malicious by applying your "rule" you'll be out of luck. The indictment order for that case was signed by the Office of the Attorney General and accepted by the Courts, thus ratifying the charges - unless of course you're saying that the OAG and the Courts are politically motivated against the accused.

 

 

 I love it! You just posted on another thread that you can't stand seeing lies being posted, and then this. Priceless.

 

 Abhisit and Suthep were charged for murder solely to bring enough pressure on them that they would capitulate and accept the Thaksin amnesty and remuneration bill, that would have also released 25,000 of the worst criminals in the Thai penal system. You know full well that Khun A. and Khun S. refused to accept the amnesty because they wanted their day in court as they were assured of their innocence, and by accepting amnesty they would in effect be admitting guilt.

 

 I expect any case that Tarit was involved in will be forfeited and the conviction overturned. Shame that again the greed of one man causes such calamitous knock on effects.
 

 

Any case involving politicians prosecuted by the DSI under Tarit since 2011is questionable. Not in that it may be fraudulent, but likely to be politically motivated and possibly malicious.

 

If you hoped to imply that the abhisit and suthep murder case was politically motivated or malicious by applying your "rule" you'll be out of luck. The indictment order for that case was signed by the Office of the Attorney General and accepted by the Courts, thus ratifying the charges - unless of course you're saying that the OAG and the Courts are politically motivated against the accused.

 

 

The Abhisit and Suthep murder cases were forwarded 3 years after the facts, but only shortly after both defendants had made it clear that they would not support an amnesty law that white washed Thaksin. So therefor it can be deemed political motivated.

 

It was malicious because Tarrit "forgot"to include himself in the charges as he was one of the decision makers at CRES, who decided to crackdown on the protesters.

Edited August 6, 201411 yr by JesseFrank

Any case involving politicians prosecuted by the DSI under Tarit since 2011is questionable. Not in that it may be fraudulent, but likely to be politically motivated and possibly malicious.

 
If you hoped to imply that the abhisit and suthep murder case was politically motivated or malicious by applying your "rule" you'll be out of luck. The indictment order for that case was signed by the Office of the Attorney General and accepted by the Courts, thus ratifying the charges - unless of course you're saying that the OAG and the Courts are politically motivated against the accused.

Might want to reign in your righteous indignation a tad there. My post was in response to Eric Loh's. The case you refer to is ongoing as should be, though I suspect we have different views on the reasons behind why they are being prosecuted, it is a case that should have it's day in court.


The fact that Abhisit rejected an amnesty that would have negated this need speaks volumes about his willingness to meet the charges.

A shame not all politicians are prepared to do so.

Edited August 6, 201411 yr by Bluespunk

It's always amusing to read Pheu-Thai supporters avoiding the subject completely and trying to say "But the Democrats did it as well." as if that makes it alright. They miss the point that most commentators on here don't care which party the accused belongs to. It just so happens that the most dirty and corrupt always belong to Pheu-Thai : what other kind of person would swear to obey a man like Thaksin to get power ?. The 310:0 amnesty bill vote was a real eye-opener for me to see the extent of the rot.

 

 

You of course are 100% correct and I shouldn't have risen to the bait.   His comment was just another "But, but, but .............Suthep...........  " for which he and most other PTP apologists are famous.  Well, most of them can find nothing positive to say about their PTP heroes; such is the nature of unquestioning loyalty!   All they really can find to say is, "But Teacher, I heard a rumour that Johnny stole someone else's lunch last week so it must be OK for me to do it."

Edited August 6, 201411 yr by The Deerhunter

 

Any case involving politicians prosecuted by the DSI under Tarit since 2011is questionable. Not in that it may be fraudulent, but likely to be politically motivated and possibly malicious.

 

Agreed that political influence should never be involved with any prosecution or charges but it is happening in Thailand. In fact, a former constitution court President Khun Wasan admitted that decision to dissolve the pro Taksin PPP was politically influenced and motivated. Sad truth that there will always be double standard in Thailand.
 

 

Well Eric you are certainly staunch in your beliefs.  We have heard the talk.  Now it is time time to walk the walk.  If it has been stalled somewhere they will be grateful for you reminding them, as will I and most other anti-corruption TVF members if it is all exactly as you say.    Please advise progress on your private prosecution against Suthep's son.

Edited August 6, 201411 yr by The Deerhunter

 

 

Please do not dig up land encroachment history. It will only shame some previous prime minister, ministers and generals.

 

And that surely is the reason for doing it, and being seen to do it, No Double Standards !

 

Regardless of whether it is Sorayud or Thaksin or Tarit or whoever.

 

 

Yes for sure no double standard. The Dem Party should also demand the truth about the land forest encroachment on a mountain in Koh Samui by the son of Suthep, Tean Thaugsuban.

 

 

That's been done, Tarit was supposed to investigate that and when Sutheps son said if they want to investigate him they should also investigate all those around him.

 

After that silence.

 

Who could there possibly be around him that would not want to be investigated ?

 

 

Any case involving politicians prosecuted by the DSI under Tarit since 2011is questionable. Not in that it may be fraudulent, but likely to be politically motivated and possibly malicious.

 

If you hoped to imply that the abhisit and suthep murder case was politically motivated or malicious by applying your "rule" you'll be out of luck. The indictment order for that case was signed by the Office of the Attorney General and accepted by the Courts, thus ratifying the charges - unless of course you're saying that the OAG and the Courts are politically motivated against the accused.

 

 

The Abhisit and Suthep murder cases were forwarded 3 years after the facts, but only shortly after both defendants had made it clear that they would not support an amnesty law that white washed Thaksin. So therefor it can be deemed political motivated.

 

It was malicious because Tarrit "forgot"to include himself in the charges as he was one of the decision makers at CRES, who decided to crackdown on the protesters.

 

 

You may wish to check on the time line of A & S filing by DSI, prosecutors and the police murder case and match with date the amnesty was passed as a bill by Parliment before you deemed them connected. 

 

The case was filed on June 15 2013 and the amnesty bill was passed on 1st November 2013. How can this remotely be connected and poltically motivated. It is 5 months apart!!!! 

 

I find this hilarious to even think that the case was motivated to leverage on the amnesty bill. For god sake, Suthep and Ahbisit are no party to the bill becoming a law. It's the job of the senators and indirectly the constitutional court. Are you saying that they can influence the senators and the judges? 

 

 

 

 

 

Any case involving politicians prosecuted by the DSI under Tarit since 2011is questionable. Not in that it may be fraudulent, but likely to be politically motivated and possibly malicious.

 

If you hoped to imply that the abhisit and suthep murder case was politically motivated or malicious by applying your "rule" you'll be out of luck. The indictment order for that case was signed by the Office of the Attorney General and accepted by the Courts, thus ratifying the charges - unless of course you're saying that the OAG and the Courts are politically motivated against the accused.

 

 

The Abhisit and Suthep murder cases were forwarded 3 years after the facts, but only shortly after both defendants had made it clear that they would not support an amnesty law that white washed Thaksin. So therefor it can be deemed political motivated.

 

It was malicious because Tarrit "forgot"to include himself in the charges as he was one of the decision makers at CRES, who decided to crackdown on the protesters.

 

 

You may wish to check on the time line of A & S filing by DSI, prosecutors and the police murder case and match with date the amnesty was passed as a bill by Parliment before you deemed them connected. 

 

The case was filed on June 15 2013 and the amnesty bill was passed on 1st November 2013. How can this remotely be connected and poltically motivated. It is 5 months apart!!!! 

 

I find this hilarious to even think that the case was motivated to leverage on the amnesty bill. For god sake, Suthep and Ahbisit are no party to the bill becoming a law. It's the job of the senators and indirectly the constitutional court. Are you saying that they can influence the senators and the judges? 

 

 

 

 

You may want to check your own facts, and that is at which date it was first proposed that Thaksin would be included in the amnesty bill, and the Democrats made their objection public.

 

The date of the illegal passing of the bill during the third reading is not of importance.
 

Edited August 6, 201411 yr by JesseFrank

What is needed is Tarit behind bars, so every Thai can see the new government really means business in fighting corruption. It's nonsense that he and the mrs. wouldn't know anything about the houses.
 
What arrogance that they think they can get away with it by a simple denial.

Well it is Thailand and no one is responsible for anything.

It's always amusing to read Pheu-Thai supporters avoiding the subject completely and trying to say "But the Democrats did it as well." as if that makes it alright. They miss the point that most commentators on here don't care which party the accused belongs to. It just so happens that the most dirty and corrupt always belong to Pheu-Thai : what other kind of person would swear to obey a man like Thaksin to get power ?. The 310:0 amnesty bill vote was a real eye-opener for me to see the extent of the rot.

 

 

When they try to defend the sleeziest politicians, they can't come up with much else besides, "but, but".

 

 

Any case involving politicians prosecuted by the DSI under Tarit since 2011is questionable. Not in that it may be fraudulent, but likely to be politically motivated and possibly malicious.

 

If you hoped to imply that the abhisit and suthep murder case was politically motivated or malicious by applying your "rule" you'll be out of luck. The indictment order for that case was signed by the Office of the Attorney General and accepted by the Courts, thus ratifying the charges - unless of course you're saying that the OAG and the Courts are politically motivated against the accused.

 

 

The Abhisit and Suthep murder cases were forwarded 3 years after the facts, but only shortly after both defendants had made it clear that they would not support an amnesty law that white washed Thaksin. So therefor it can be deemed political motivated.

 

It was malicious because Tarrit "forgot"to include himself in the charges as he was one of the decision makers at CRES, who decided to crackdown on the protesters.

 

 

More importantly he left out the army (although that wasn't his decision) which having read Robert Amsterdam's thoughts on the process of the investigation into the deaths in 2010 and Thailand's responsibility under international law makes me think that it might not get far and if it does it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny . On the evidence I've seen so far even if there is a court case it's unlikely they could be found guilty of murder or anything close. With more details of communications at the time there might be some other charges but if they aren't found guilty of murder then the court will be deemed as biased.

 

Of course when there's politicians involved in accusations of wrongdoing then there will always be 'political motivation'. That's what happens on both sides. If Abhisit saw myself and my wife plus Yingluck riding without a helmet he probably wouldn't bother about the wife and I but Yingluck would be a different matter. It would work the other way as well. If you're in politics you have to be careful because whilst your side are looking at your opponents to find anything to use against them they are doing the same.

 

Tarit's case is getting more attention due to his position at the DSI. If this had happened whilst the Dems were in power the PTP would be doing the same thing and trying to find proof of ownership of the house.

 

Tarit's performance in the luxury car tax scam was a bit suspect as well considering he openly said he was trying to help the owners who'd benefited.

 

He also said he had evidence of Thaksin's involvement in aspects of the 2010 riots.

 

Tarit has a problem in that he's worked on both sides and will have made enemies on both. He's said himself that he follows government policy and has been pressured by the governments on both sides so any idea that he made decisions based on unbiased legal observations can't be believed.

 

The house incident is important and needs to be dealt with in a professional manner.  Bigger problems could emerge from other cases dealt with by Tarit and in particular the 2010 deaths as the military are going to have to show they are able to take responsibility for the actions of their own. Until then any wrongdoing by Tarit in this case or anyone else whoever they are needs to go through the correct procedures.

 

Everybody is watching to see how the justice system performs.