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Straight8 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 The lack of Russian tourists coming to Pattaya has affected the Pattaya market because they spend more money than any other tourists that visit Pattaya. How to destroy your credability in one sentence, Thailand survived before they came, it will survive after they've gone. Useless comment. If every farang pulled out tomorrow, they would SURVIVE!! Has any country in the world not survived.. period??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight8 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Looking at the business perspective, this meant less income for the hotels and restaurants, less food, drinks, cleaning materials etc. Ultimately it affects the economy. Combine this with the drop in Chinese tourist due to the clampdown on zero dollar tours, and the damage done by all the travel advisories, many long suffering hotels and businesses will close down in the coming months if tourist numbers do not increase. I wonder about 10 or so years ago............no Russians and the hotels were all full like they are today.......think again !!! 10 years ago, Thailand was a totally different place altogether. The times are a changing, and definitely not for the better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFong Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 The lack of Russian tourists coming to Pattaya has affected the Pattaya market because they spend more money than any other tourists that visit Pattaya. How to destroy your credability in one sentence, Thailand survived before they came, it will survive after they've gone. Useless comment. If every farang pulled out tomorrow, they would SURVIVE!! Has any country in the world not survived.. period??? the wealthy and the government will survive, the tens of thousands of street vendors, retailers, and hospitality service people right down to the taxi drivers, will all starve the Swissotel was at 10% occupancy when I left in March 2014, and they closed their buffet area, those people were all sent home without pay, or, did the hotels around the city all pay their people not to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFong Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Looking at the business perspective, this meant less income for the hotels and restaurants, less food, drinks, cleaning materials etc. Ultimately it affects the economy. Combine this with the drop in Chinese tourist due to the clampdown on zero dollar tours, and the damage done by all the travel advisories, many long suffering hotels and businesses will close down in the coming months if tourist numbers do not increase. I wonder about 10 or so years ago............no Russians and the hotels were all full like they are today.......think again !!! 10 years ago, Thailand was a totally different place altogether. The times are a changing, and definitely not for the better. credit card and household debt defaults are on the rise in Thailand, and they are only at the tip imagine when the real effects of the Suptep 6 month disruption and then the aftermath of the coup start to show up in end of year reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFong Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 The lack of Russian tourists coming to Pattaya has affected the Pattaya market because they spend more money than any other tourists that visit Pattaya. How to destroy your credability in one sentence, Thailand survived before they came, it will survive after they've gone. Useless comment. If every farang pulled out tomorrow, they would SURVIVE!! Has any country in the world not survived.. period??? About 4,000 hotel rooms and much meeting space in Ratchaprasong are hurting from a lack of guests. Business travellers account for 15-20 per cent of hotel revenue, while tourists contribute 40 per cent of revenue to shops. this is just one small section of bkk, imagine the others http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/750877-hotels-and-shops-in-bangkok-plead-for-end-to-martial-law/ Thailand is not on anyone's to do list at the moment, and, there are already many, many people in Thailand, who may not recover from this financial relapse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 so nothing to do with getting rid of the permanent visa runners or overstayers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocacoc Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Many Thais still believe it will coming up a high-season later this year. And obviously many business need urgent a high-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFong Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 so nothing to do with getting rid of the permanent visa runners or overstayers ? I doubt very seriously, that there are many westerners on the list of over stays and visa runners, there are only so many times a person is leaving the country for just another 30 days when many other visas are available, so no, nothing to do with the visa policy, everything to do with the poor perception of the country, given by the country itself, and, most importantly, slowdowns in discretionary spending from the travelers themselves, sure, places like Bali will continue to attract the weekenders from Australia, but, Bali is very cheap and also closer than BKK, the trip to Thailand that any person makes as a first timer, is not heralding rave reviews upon their return, did it once, is the prevailing opinion I get from many, myself included, although I also add, every single man must do it, once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moto77 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 And Chinese are up 100% at least. I haven't seen any overall change in the total numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapd Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) Looking at the business perspective, this meant less income for the hotels and restaurants, less food, drinks, cleaning materials etc. Ultimately it affects the economy. Combine this with the drop in Chinese tourist due to the clampdown on zero dollar tours, and the damage done by all the travel advisories, many long suffering hotels and businesses will close down in the coming months if tourist numbers do not increase. I wonder about 10 or so years ago............no Russians and the hotels were all full like they are today.......think again !!! 10 years ago, Thailand was a totally different place altogether. The times are a changing, and definitely not for the better. Yea, 10 years ago everyone was complaining about how Pattaya has gone downhill in the past 10 years...oh wait a minute...hasn't changed at all! 10 years ago you were 10 years younger and that is basically what has changed. Edited August 17, 2014 by lapd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soihok Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 10 years ago, Thailand was a totally different place altogether. The times are a changing, and definitely not for the better. I beg to differ. The only major change I have noticed in 10 years was the Yellow/Red shirt tragedy. It really has divided my wifes parents community, which is extremely sad. I see the changes being implemented are for the good of Thailand and its people, and those who willing to play by the rules. Back on topic ----was in Pattaya last week (well, Jomtien to be specific - didn't go into Pattaya) and it was really quiet = bliss. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khounteen Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I saw a post stating that hotels are/were at 20% occupancy rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 ... Most are indistinguishable from other western tourists, you don't notice them until they speak. ... That is not my experience at all. Most are instantly distinguishable by me. Not that there is anything wrong with being distinguishable but your statement lacks the ring of truthiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Thank you OPEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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