What the General can learn from America is what NOT to do. America is a failing country and only Americans fail to see this. While never perfect, I believe we were trying, not anymore. Highest prison population in the world. Thanks to vouchers/charter schools, teaching to pass only tests, Americans are no longer educated. There is virtually no Middle/Working class left and if the koch (John Birch Society) brothers, their fellow traveler right wing plutocrats and corporations have their way there will be no jobs left but flipping burgers. Congress, the Executive branch and Supreme Court (gang of 5) are owned by the plutocrats. Bush started it, Obama is finishing the destruction of the Constitution while he supports the banksters and Wall Street criminals. While not quite completed, America is well on its way to a Corporate/Police/Surveilance State. The government has access to everything you do, tracks your movements, who you call, who you email, who you meet with etc. The militarized cops will shoot you in a heart beat, especially if you a person of color or obviously poor. The media is controled by 6 right wing corporations that act as a propaganda arm of the so-called government. Faux news spews its right wing hate propaganda message daily and some people even listen to it, worse yet, some believe it. War criminals are allowed to roam free and vomit their crap while those that told the truth sit in prison. Real reporters, few left, are harrassed and some even face jail. Whistle blowers are punished like never before. The infrastructure is crumbling and there are no plans to fix it. The military is overworked, overstressed and riddled with PTSD from fighting wars that should have never been fought. America is owned by the multi-national corporations, banksters, Wall Street criminals, plutocrats that destroyed the economy from which it will never recover unless there is a "revolution" and "too big to fail" banks are broken up and the "too big to jail" CEO's etc. are imprisoned. Keep GitMo open, for those that really belong there. Yes, the General can learn an awful lot from America, what NOT to do.

 

 

Until the USA wakes up to the realisation that companies as well as people have to pay taxes in order to provide a functioning society in which they can operate, decline is inevitable.

 

The massive reductions in tax take from corporations in the USA is bankrupting it.

There's only 1 thing the general should learn from America.

Do not become the same as America, because there is not such thing as Democracy and a good economy in that English province.

They, are if they had to pay all there debts, the poorest country in the world, and they live and believe in hot air.

 

Yes, it's terrible to be the largest economy in the world, with one of the highest standards of living.  Thailand can learn a lot from other countries.  Both what to do, and what not to do.  Pretty simple.  No bashing needed.  There's good and bad in every country in the world.  Bar none.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States

 

The United States of America is the world's largest single national economy.^[21] The United States' nominal GDP was estimated to be $17.295 trillion as of Q2 2014,^[22] approximately a quarter of nominal global GDP.^[23][24] Its GDP atpurchasing power parity is also the largest of any single country in the world, approximately a fifth of the global total.^[25][26]The U.S. dollar is the currency most used in international transactions and is the world's foremost reserve currency.^[27]Several countries use it as their official currency, and in many others it is the de facto currency.^[28] The United States has amixed economy^[29][30] and has maintained a stable overall GDP growth rate, a moderate unemployment rate, and high levels of research and capital investment.^[31] Its six largest trading partners are Canada, China, Mexico, Japan, Germany, andItaly.^[32]

The US has abundant natural resources, a well-developed infrastructure, and high productivity.^[33] It had the world's ninth-highest per capita GDP (nominal) and sixth-highest per capita GDP (PPP) as of 2013.^[34][35] The U.S. is the world's third-largest producer of oil and largest producer of natural gas.^[36] It is the second-largest trading nation in the world behind China.^[37] It has been the world's largest national economy (not including colonial empires) since at least the 1890s.^[38] As of 2010, the country remains the world's largest manufacturer, representing a fifth of the global manufacturing output.^[39] Of the world's 500 largest companies, 132 are headquartered in the US, twice that of any other country.^[40]

The United States has one of the world's largest and most influential financial markets. The New York Stock Exchange is by far the world's largest stock exchange by market capitalization.^[41] Foreign investments made in the US total almost $2.4 trillion,^[42] while American investments in foreign countries total over $3.3 trillion.^[43] Consumer spending comprises 71% of the US economy in 2013.^[44] The United States has the largest consumer market in the world, with a household final consumption expenditure five times larger than the Japan's.^[45] The labor market has attracted immigrants from all over the world and its net migration rate is among the highest in the world.^[46] The U.S. is one of the top-performing economies in studies such as the Ease of Doing Business Index, the Global Competitiveness Report, and others.^[47]

 

 

But he is still correct, when he says that the rules protecting against sloppy banking & another collapse, were deliberately removed.

 

The people who did that are long gone, but the world will be living with the consequences for years to come, and Soros is right to point this out.

 

 

 

But, the larger, and most shameful question is, how many of those responsible for this horrendous crime, are serving time in prison? When you consider the guilty parties, none have really paid any price. Was their crime any less heinous than that of Madoff? Jamie Dimon should be in prison. Blankenship should be in prison. 

 

Summers, Geithner, Corzine, Volker, Fischer, Phil Gramm, Bernanke, Hank Paulson, Rubin, ,not to mention Alan Greenspan and to some extent Paul Volcker, who put into effect some of the deregulation that led to this fiasco. 

 

Here is a promise Obama made during his 2008 campaign: 

 

“Tomorrow, you can turn the page on policies that put the greed and irresponsibility of Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of men and women all across Main Street. Tomorrow you can choose policies that invest in our middle class and create new jobs and grow this economy so that everybody has a chance to succeed, from the CEO to the secretary and the janitor, from the factory owner to the men and women who work on the factory floor.( Barack Obama, election campaign, November 3, 2008, emphasis added) 

 

There is no indication that Obama will break his ties to his Wall Street sponsors, who largely funded his election campaign. 

Goldman Sachs, J. P. Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Bill Gates’ Microsoft are among his main campaign contributors. 

Warren Buffett, among the the world’s richest individuals, not only supported Barak Obama’s election campaign, he is a member of his transition team, which plays a key role deciding the composition of Obama’s cabinet. 

 

 

More of Obamas promises during that campaign. Now many were fulfilled? This is from an article from the Weekly Standard:

 

Barack Obama has an accountability problem. It’s not simply that during the 2008 campaign he made extravagant promises to heal the planet, slow the rise of the oceans, end political divisions in America, and usher in an era of hope and change. It’s that as a candidate and in the early days of his presidency, Obama and his top aides made a series of very specific promises on a range of issues.

 

 

As a candidate, Obama promised to create five million new energy jobs alone, claimed that by the end of his first term his health care plan would “bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family,” and guaranteed that his financial rescue plan would help “stop foreclosures.” As president-elect, Obama informed us that he had asked two of his top economic advisers, Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein, to conduct a “rigorous analysis” of his economic recovery plan. The report that he released predicted unemployment would not rise above 8 percent if the stimulus plan was passed. And in the first year of his presidency, Obama pledged to “cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office,” “lift two million Americans from poverty,” and “jolt our economy back to life.”

 

The problem for Obama is that his predictions were not only wrong; they were terribly wide of the mark. For example, since the president was sworn in, America has suffered a net decline of roughly half a million jobs. According to a study by the Kaiser Family Foundation, the average annual premium for family health coverage through an employer reached $15,073 in 2011—an increase of 9 percent, or $1,303, over the previous year. The 9 percent increase in family premiums between 2010 and 2011 followed an increase of 3 percent between 2009 and 2010. Under Obama, the number of foreclosures was the worst in history. In addition, last year was the worst sales year on record for housing, while home values are nearly 35 percent lower than they were five years ago.

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate has been above 8 percent for 41 consecutive months. The deficit was around $1.3 trillion the day Obama took office in the midst of the financial crisis; according to the Congressional Budget Office, in the current 2012 budget year, the deficit will be around $1.25 trillion. And a record 46 million Americans are now living in poverty.

In addition, during the Obama years we’ve experienced the weakest economic recovery on record. America’s credit rating was downgraded for the first time in our history. The standard of living for Americans fell more steeply than at any time since the government began recording it five decades ago. Income for American families has actually declined more following the economic recession than it did during the official recession itself.

Adding salt to his self-inflicted wounds, Obama, in the heady early days of his presidency, invited accountability. In February 2009, for example, the president told NBC’s Matt Lauer that if he didn’t have the economy fixed in three years, then “there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

Given that Obama’s key economic promises haven’t been kept, what possible excuse can the president offer? Easy. The president’s explanation goes something like this: By the time he took office, the economic situation was far worse than anyone, including Obama, imagined. The deficit was far larger than anyone predicted. The president therefore can’t be held accountable for his failed promises. He was operating on a false set of assumptions. The crisis was much deeper than he knew when he made those promises. “We didn’t know how bad it was,” is how Obama put it last year.

Here’s the problem: If you go back and examine the record, you’ll find that Obama was fully aware of the depth and severity of the recession. As a candidate, for example, he said we were facing “the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.” As president-elect, Obama said we faced “a crisis unlike any we have seen in our lifetime.”

Prior to being sworn in, Obama knew—in fact, he went out of his way to warn us—that we were shedding more than half a million jobs per month, the worst job loss in over three decades. That in 2008 we had lost more jobs than in any year since the Great Depression. That manufacturing had hit a 28-year low. That the stock market had fallen almost 40 percent in less than a year. That credit markets were nearly frozen. That businesses large and small couldn’t borrow the money they needed to meet payroll and create jobs. That home foreclosures were mounting. That credit card and auto loan delinquencies were rising. That the economy was “in a global crisis.” And that he was inheriting an “enormous budget deficit—you know, some estimates over a trillion dollars. That’s before we do anything.”

 

 

Mention the USA and the Fox News lemmings go bat shit crazy. Ye gods.

 

You have to laugh that two people actually liked this nonsense. 

That's a good joke. I like it. Too bad that if anybody learned or took advice from America, the whole world would be in trouble.

 

 

But he is still correct, when he says that the rules protecting against sloppy banking & another collapse, were deliberately removed.

 

The people who did that are long gone, but the world will be living with the consequences for years to come, and Soros is right to point this out.

 

 

 

But, the larger, and most shameful question is, how many of those responsible for this horrendous crime, are serving time in prison? When you consider the guilty parties, none have really paid any price. Was their crime any less heinous than that of Madoff? Jamie Dimon should be in prison. Blankenship should be in prison. 

 

Summers, Geithner, Corzine, Volker, Fischer, Phil Gramm, Bernanke, Hank Paulson, Rubin, ,not to mention Alan Greenspan and to some extent Paul Volcker, who put into effect some of the deregulation that led to this fiasco. 

 

Here is a promise Obama made during his 2008 campaign: 

 

“Tomorrow, you can turn the page on policies that put the greed and irresponsibility of Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of men and women all across Main Street. Tomorrow you can choose policies that invest in our middle class and create new jobs and grow this economy so that everybody has a chance to succeed, from the CEO to the secretary and the janitor, from the factory owner to the men and women who work on the factory floor.( Barack Obama, election campaign, November 3, 2008, emphasis added) 

 

There is no indication that Obama will break his ties to his Wall Street sponsors, who largely funded his election campaign. 

Goldman Sachs, J. P. Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Bill Gates’ Microsoft are among his main campaign contributors. 

Warren Buffett, among the the world’s richest individuals, not only supported Barak Obama’s election campaign, he is a member of his transition team, which plays a key role deciding the composition of Obama’s cabinet. 

 

 

More of Obamas promises during that campaign. Now many were fulfilled? This is from an article from the Weekly Standard:

 

Barack Obama has an accountability problem. It’s not simply that during the 2008 campaign he made extravagant promises to heal the planet, slow the rise of the oceans, end political divisions in America, and usher in an era of hope and change. It’s that as a candidate and in the early days of his presidency, Obama and his top aides made a series of very specific promises on a range of issues.

 

 

As a candidate, Obama promised to create five million new energy jobs alone, claimed that by the end of his first term his health care plan would “bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family,” and guaranteed that his financial rescue plan would help “stop foreclosures.” As president-elect, Obama informed us that he had asked two of his top economic advisers, Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein, to conduct a “rigorous analysis” of his economic recovery plan. The report that he released predicted unemployment would not rise above 8 percent if the stimulus plan was passed. And in the first year of his presidency, Obama pledged to “cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office,” “lift two million Americans from poverty,” and “jolt our economy back to life.”

 

The problem for Obama is that his predictions were not only wrong; they were terribly wide of the mark. For example, since the president was sworn in, America has suffered a net decline of roughly half a million jobs. According to a study by the Kaiser Family Foundation, the average annual premium for family health coverage through an employer reached $15,073 in 2011—an increase of 9 percent, or $1,303, over the previous year. The 9 percent increase in family premiums between 2010 and 2011 followed an increase of 3 percent between 2009 and 2010. Under Obama, the number of foreclosures was the worst in history. In addition, last year was the worst sales year on record for housing, while home values are nearly 35 percent lower than they were five years ago.

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate has been above 8 percent for 41 consecutive months. The deficit was around $1.3 trillion the day Obama took office in the midst of the financial crisis; according to the Congressional Budget Office, in the current 2012 budget year, the deficit will be around $1.25 trillion. And a record 46 million Americans are now living in poverty.

In addition, during the Obama years we’ve experienced the weakest economic recovery on record. America’s credit rating was downgraded for the first time in our history. The standard of living for Americans fell more steeply than at any time since the government began recording it five decades ago. Income for American families has actually declined more following the economic recession than it did during the official recession itself.

Adding salt to his self-inflicted wounds, Obama, in the heady early days of his presidency, invited accountability. In February 2009, for example, the president told NBC’s Matt Lauer that if he didn’t have the economy fixed in three years, then “there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

Given that Obama’s key economic promises haven’t been kept, what possible excuse can the president offer? Easy. The president’s explanation goes something like this: By the time he took office, the economic situation was far worse than anyone, including Obama, imagined. The deficit was far larger than anyone predicted. The president therefore can’t be held accountable for his failed promises. He was operating on a false set of assumptions. The crisis was much deeper than he knew when he made those promises. “We didn’t know how bad it was,” is how Obama put it last year.

Here’s the problem: If you go back and examine the record, you’ll find that Obama was fully aware of the depth and severity of the recession. As a candidate, for example, he said we were facing “the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.” As president-elect, Obama said we faced “a crisis unlike any we have seen in our lifetime.”

Prior to being sworn in, Obama knew—in fact, he went out of his way to warn us—that we were shedding more than half a million jobs per month, the worst job loss in over three decades. That in 2008 we had lost more jobs than in any year since the Great Depression. That manufacturing had hit a 28-year low. That the stock market had fallen almost 40 percent in less than a year. That credit markets were nearly frozen. That businesses large and small couldn’t borrow the money they needed to meet payroll and create jobs. That home foreclosures were mounting. That credit card and auto loan delinquencies were rising. That the economy was “in a global crisis.” And that he was inheriting an “enormous budget deficit—you know, some estimates over a trillion dollars. That’s before we do anything.”

 

 

Mention the USA and the Fox News lemmings go bat shit crazy. Ye gods.

 

You have to laugh that two people actually liked this nonsense. 

 

 

 

...and who handed Obama the keys to this unholy mess..?

 

There's only 1 thing the general should learn from America.

Do not become the same as America, because there is not such thing as Democracy and a good economy in that English province.

They, are if they had to pay all there debts, the poorest country in the world, and they live and believe in hot air.

 

Yes, it's terrible to be the largest economy in the world, with one of the highest standards of living.  Thailand can learn a lot from other countries.  Both what to do, and what not to do.  Pretty simple.  No bashing needed.  There's good and bad in every country in the world.  Bar none.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States

 

The United States of America is the world's largest single national economy.^[21] The United States' nominal GDP was estimated to be $17.295 trillion as of Q2 2014,^[22] approximately a quarter of nominal global GDP.^[23][24] Its GDP atpurchasing power parity is also the largest of any single country in the world, approximately a fifth of the global total.^[25][26]The U.S. dollar is the currency most used in international transactions and is the world's foremost reserve currency.^[27]Several countries use it as their official currency, and in many others it is the de facto currency.^[28] The United States has amixed economy^[29][30] and has maintained a stable overall GDP growth rate, a moderate unemployment rate, and high levels of research and capital investment.^[31] Its six largest trading partners are Canada, China, Mexico, Japan, Germany, andItaly.^[32]

The US has abundant natural resources, a well-developed infrastructure, and high productivity.^[33] It had the world's ninth-highest per capita GDP (nominal) and sixth-highest per capita GDP (PPP) as of 2013.^[34][35] The U.S. is the world's third-largest producer of oil and largest producer of natural gas.^[36] It is the second-largest trading nation in the world behind China.^[37] It has been the world's largest national economy (not including colonial empires) since at least the 1890s.^[38] As of 2010, the country remains the world's largest manufacturer, representing a fifth of the global manufacturing output.^[39] Of the world's 500 largest companies, 132 are headquartered in the US, twice that of any other country.^[40]

The United States has one of the world's largest and most influential financial markets. The New York Stock Exchange is by far the world's largest stock exchange by market capitalization.^[41] Foreign investments made in the US total almost $2.4 trillion,^[42] while American investments in foreign countries total over $3.3 trillion.^[43] Consumer spending comprises 71% of the US economy in 2013.^[44] The United States has the largest consumer market in the world, with a household final consumption expenditure five times larger than the Japan's.^[45] The labor market has attracted immigrants from all over the world and its net migration rate is among the highest in the world.^[46] The U.S. is one of the top-performing economies in studies such as the Ease of Doing Business Index, the Global Competitiveness Report, and others.^[47]

 

 

 

 

 

It may have the largest country in the world, but take it from me, an American who has spent time there lately. It DOES NOT have the highest standard of living. Not even close. Many, many Americans are living shattered lives. Lives that have been shattered by the changes in the system, the economy and the elimination of the way of life they grew up holding near and dear. So, do not even begin to dispense this nonsense. Walk the streets of any American city. Talk to middle class Americans. The only reason the unemployment rate is dropping, is that Obama is changing the way the unemployed are being counted, on a monthly basis. There are millions of people out of work, that are no longer being counted. The numbers may look ok. But they do not take into account the extreme re-distribution of wealth that has taken place in the past 10-15 years. The middle class is hurting, like I have never seen them hurting before. The Dow may be very high right now, but a lot of that is due to the shedding of obligations many of these corporation had to their long term employees, and the thinning down of the customer service departments. Try getting an American customer service rep on the phone these days. Just try it. I dare you. The lack of consumer confidence is frightening. Do your research. All the info is out there. But, please. Stop spouting disinformation. It does not serve this dialogue. 

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There's only 1 thing the general should learn from America.
Do not become the same as America, because there is not such thing as Democracy and a good economy in that English province.
They, are if they had to pay all there debts, the poorest country in the world, and they live and believe in hot air.

 
Yes, it's terrible to be the largest economy in the world, with one of the highest standards of living.  Thailand can learn a lot from other countries.  Both what to do, and what not to do.  Pretty simple.  No bashing needed.  There's good and bad in every country in the world.  Bar none.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States
 

The United States of America is the world's largest single national economy.^[21] The United States' nominal GDP was estimated to be $17.295 trillion as of Q2 2014,^[22] approximately a quarter of nominal global GDP.^[23][24] Its GDP atpurchasing power parity is also the largest of any single country in the world, approximately a fifth of the global total.^[25][26]The U.S. dollar is the currency most used in international transactions and is the world's foremost reserve currency.^[27]Several countries use it as their official currency, and in many others it is the de facto currency.^[28] The United States has amixed economy^[29][30] and has maintained a stable overall GDP growth rate, a moderate unemployment rate, and high levels of research and capital investment.^[31] Its six largest trading partners are Canada, China, Mexico, Japan, Germany, andItaly.^[32]
The US has abundant natural resources, a well-developed infrastructure, and high productivity.^[33] It had the world's ninth-highest per capita GDP (nominal) and sixth-highest per capita GDP (PPP) as of 2013.^[34][35] The U.S. is the world's third-largest producer of oil and largest producer of natural gas.^[36] It is the second-largest trading nation in the world behind China.^[37] It has been the world's largest national economy (not including colonial empires) since at least the 1890s.^[38] As of 2010, the country remains the world's largest manufacturer, representing a fifth of the global manufacturing output.^[39] Of the world's 500 largest companies, 132 are headquartered in the US, twice that of any other country.^[40]
The United States has one of the world's largest and most influential financial markets. The New York Stock Exchange is by far the world's largest stock exchange by market capitalization.^[41] Foreign investments made in the US total almost $2.4 trillion,^[42] while American investments in foreign countries total over $3.3 trillion.^[43] Consumer spending comprises 71% of the US economy in 2013.^[44] The United States has the largest consumer market in the world, with a household final consumption expenditure five times larger than the Japan's.^[45] The labor market has attracted immigrants from all over the world and its net migration rate is among the highest in the world.^[46] The U.S. is one of the top-performing economies in studies such as the Ease of Doing Business Index, the Global Competitiveness Report, and others.^[47]
 

 

 
 
 
It may have the largest country in the world, but take it from me, an American who has spent time there lately. It DOES NOT have the highest standard of living. Not even close. Many, many Americans are living shattered lives. Lives that have been shattered by the changes in the system, the economy and the elimination of the way of life they grew up holding near and dear. So, do not even begin to dispense this nonsense. Walk the streets of any American city. Talk to middle class Americans. The only reason the unemployment rate is dropping, is that Obama is changing the way the unemployed are being counted, on a monthly basis. There are millions of people out of work, that are no longer being counted. The numbers may look ok. But they do not take into account the extreme re-distribution of wealth that has taken place in the past 10-15 years. The middle class is hurting, like I have never seen them hurting before. The Dow may be very high right now, but a lot of that is due to the shedding of obligations many of these corporation had to their long term employees, and the thinning down of the customer service departments. Try getting an American customer service rep on the phone these days. Just try it. I dare you. The lack of consumer confidence is frightening. Do your research. All the info is out there. But, please. Stop spouting disinformation. It does not serve this dialogue. 

Consecutive presidents have allowed multinariinal corporations to reduce their tax contribution to the federal govt to almost nothing, and everyone wonders where the money went.

The american population has been hoodwinked so if prayuth is going to learn anything it is that you can't have a society if no one pays tax.

Simple really

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Say whatever you like about George Soros, but his preferred analogy on the near-collapse of the US economy is spot on.

 

Bit like asking the devil what's wrong with God.

He is known as "The Man Who Broke the Bank of England" because of his short sale of US$10 billion worth of pounds, giving him a profit of $1 billion during the 1992 Black Wednesday UK currency crisis.  He can collapse an economy without any help

It may have the largest country in the world, but take it from me, an American who has spent time there lately. It DOES NOT have the highest standard of living. Not even close. Many, many Americans are living shattered lives. Lives that have been shattered by the changes in the system, the economy and the elimination of the way of life they grew up holding near and dear. So, do not even begin to dispense this nonsense. Walk the streets of any American city. Talk to middle class Americans. The only reason the unemployment rate is dropping, is that Obama is changing the way the unemployed are being counted, on a monthly basis. There are millions of people out of work, that are no longer being counted. The numbers may look ok. But they do not take into account the extreme re-distribution of wealth that has taken place in the past 10-15 years. The middle class is hurting, like I have never seen them hurting before. The Dow may be very high right now, but a lot of that is due to the shedding of obligations many of these corporation had to their long term employees, and the thinning down of the customer service departments. Try getting an American customer service rep on the phone these days. Just try it. I dare you. The lack of consumer confidence is frightening. Do your research. All the info is out there. But, please. Stop spouting disinformation. It does not serve this dialogue. 

Please don't misquote me.  My post never said the highest standard of living.  It said one of the highest.  Which is true.  Pick any country in the western world and I'll show you citizens that are living shattered lives.  It happens everywhere.  I had this conversation with my friend from Sweden last week.  I was shocked to hear what he told me.  I had no idea.  It happens everywhere.

 

I am American.  Most of my friends are doing quite well and very happy.  Some went through the "bust" in California and were hit pretty hard.  But things have turned around and they are doing OK now.  A few have moved on to "greener pastures".

 

I talk with customer service reps in the US on a fairly regular basis.  My bank about once a month.  Social security from time to time.  The VA.  The county where my properties are, etc, etc, etc.  The 60 minute wait for social security is frustrating, but when I get them on the phone, my questions are answered professionally.  This is my personal experience.  Please don't say I'm spouting disinformation.

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I am wondering if the USA crashes like in the Great Depression, would social security payments still be safe, and what about peoples retirement from hospitals would that still be safe?  Some of us live on this alone without savings, and have to live outside of there own country in order to get by.

The US is not going to eliminate SS payments in your lifetime.