Chiropractors

[BadtzBee]

Anyone know of any chiropractors near Udon Thani?

[wilcopops]

The basic idea of classical chiropractic is that "subluxations" are the cause of most medical problems. According to classical chiropractic, a "subluxation" is a misalignment of the spine that allegedly interferes with nerve signals from the brain. However, there is no scientific evidence for spinal subluxations and none have ever been observed by medical practitioners such as orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons, or radiologists.

On May 25, 2010, The General Chiropractic Council (GCC), a UK-wide statutory body with regulatory powers, issued the following statement:

The chiropractic vertebral subluxation complex is an historical concept but it remains a theoretical model. It is not supported by any clinical research evidence that would allow claims to be made that it is the cause of disease or health concerns.

Even so, chiropractors still maintain that spinal adjustment is the key to good health.

Edited August 13, 2014 by wilcopops

[BadtzBee]

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Edited August 13, 2014 by BadtzBee

[BadtzBee]

Not interested in your viewpoint. I'm all grown up and don't need advice from a stranger on how to manage my health. Thanks for your concern anyway.

[wilcopops]

Not interested in your viewpoint. I'm all grown up and don't need advice from a stranger on how to manage my health. Thanks for your concern anyway.

No worries - your reply says it all.

[BadtzBee]

wilcopops, on 15 Aug 2014 - 09:41, said:wilcopops, on 15 Aug 2014 - 09:41, said:

BadtzBee, on 13 Aug 2014 - 23:44, said:BadtzBee, on 13 Aug 2014 - 23:44, said:

Not interested in your viewpoint. I'm all grown up and don't need advice from a stranger on how to manage my health. Thanks for your concern anyway.

No worries - your reply says it all.

I usually don’t get too involved in debates on forums, and if I do, I find myself withdrawing at first opportunity; generally all I find is a minority of unfeeling and clueless (although always opinionated) fools and trolls drowning out the majority voices of reason and human decency. Generally, one could hardly describe the forum experience as uplifting. A lovely piece of writing by Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, advises us to “Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit”. Seems to fit the forum experience nicely. There is something about the forum experience that seems to bring out the worst in many of us, myself included.

In any case, in your particular instance I am making an exception to my practice of not getting caught up in another ultimately pointless debate. I’m not sure why; perhaps you just hit a nerve with your useless post, perhaps my ego is more fragile than I would prefer – who knows? Perhaps, at the time, being in a fair bit of pain, I wasn’t in the mood for finding out that the first and only answer to my query was someone wanting to dispute my choice of treatment, and was further annoyed by your trite response of “your post says it all”. (Actually, it didn’t, unless you are particularly adept at reading between the lines, but as you haven’t so far demonstrated that level of mental acuity or maturity, I couldn’t say. Indeed, I am not even sure you have the ability to persevere with the reasoning that follows, but no matter, I will have my say regardless.)

There were a number of ways you might have responded to my request for the whereabouts of a chiropractor, some of them thoughtful and considered, and others thoughtless and inappropriate.

For instance, you might have paused for a minute or two, and wondered why I was enquiring after chiropractors. Perhaps I might have been in pain and have need of such a service. Perhaps I might have been treated by chiropractors on previous occasions, and found them effective. Maybe I was just curious about them in general (unlikely, but we’re just brainstorming here, you understand). You might also have considered that I might have been aware that there is controversy surrounding Chiropractic treatment, and don’t really require your input on the matter. There are so many things you might have considered.

Having posed these questions, you might have gone a step further and tried to find a reservoir of sympathy for my situation, or at least considered the possibility that my post was not an invitation to debate but rather a request for assistance. Having done so would have provided you with the opportunity to generate a suitable response that would satisfy both your urge to proselytise on the subject, and yet at the same time demonstrate a consideration for another person’s misfortune. In other words, you might have put your ego aside for a short while and tried to be of some use; you might have tried to be helpful.

For example, “Hi, sorry to hear you’re in need of treatment. Have you used chiropractors before? I’ve read on a few websites that they’re no good. I haven’t ever tried them myself, I’m really just talking about what I’ve heard, so what’s your experience, what are they like...?”, or something along those lines. You get the idea.

Perhaps your post was altruistic, and you know of people who have been injured by chiropractic treatment and you felt the need to warn me. (Again unlikely, as there were none of your thoughts at all in your post – it was lifted in its entirety, although without acknowledgment, from one of the two hundred and eighty websites which are posting or quoting the same article, of which Skepdic.com seems to be the primary source.)

In any case, you could have chosen to inquire, and consequently achieved something worthwhile, something that shows your humanity, something that demonstrates you are not just posting to satisfy your ego or start a ‘debate’, something that shows you are the type of person who considers carefully another person’s point of view before expressing your own.

Who knows, you might even have discovered that in the past I have sought treatment from every type of practitioner imaginable: from GPs to Chinese doctors, including physiotherapists, osteopaths, orthopaedic surgeons, naturopaths and chiropractors, but that chiropractic treatment has been the most successful in managing my pain. Heck, you even might have gained some new knowledge, and shown you are someone who is not too proud to learn from others.

You might also have entertained the idea that if you had nothing worthwhile to contribute, you could just mind your own business.

As you should be able to deduce by now, in point of fact, YOUR response - your impersonal cut and paste that was as devoid of context and complexity of analysis as it was of common decency - actually speaks volumes. It says you demonstrated no empathy, sympathy, or even awareness that there might be a compelling reason for me to pose the question in the first place. It says that your finding a website to cut and paste someone else’s ideas about chiropractics doesn’t seem to achieve any useful purpose, except, as I’ve said, to give you a venue to push your barrow by way of finding a source to discredit my choice of pain management. Why you would make that choice, rather than taking the opportunity to engage in a more worthwhile discussion?

Your post speaks to me of your conceit in presuming you have some sort of superior knowledge that needs to be disseminated immediately, regardless of the context. Was it some sort of Pavlovian response that prompted such an inane and selfish response to my query of where I might find a chiropractor? ( “Oo, he said chiropractor, must debunk”, à la Homer Simpson)

So, no, my answer to your ill conceived and thoughtless response didn’t “say it all” as you tritely assert. This response of mine comes a little closer. Ironically, your post, which contains no thoughts of your own, says so much more about you than it purports to say about chiropractors in general. Go figure.

If you were wondering why I was obviously terse in my original response, now you know. Perhaps next time you might think a little first; although if you couldn’t even manage a reasonable and considered response to a simple query as to where one might locate a particular service, I doubt it.

Edited August 16, 2014 by BadtzBee

[BadtzBee]

Apologies to all others who frequent this forum looking for health advice. It's not really the right venue to be venting my spleen, so to speak. Promise not to do it again. Peace

[Sheryl]

Please don't.

I think the reason there have been no replies is that no one knows of one in or near Udon. Chiros are mainly frequented by expats so found mostly in Bkk, Chiang Mai, Phuket etc, areas with large concentrations of them. (Beware - not all are really qualified).

Thais would tend to utilize traditional Thai massage rather than chiropracty if wanting an "alternative" treatment for musculoskeletal pain.

[NancyL]

Dr. Philip Parry is a U.K. trained chiropractor who practices at Rajavej Hospital, Chiang Mai. I found his methods very interesting and different from those I'd experienced in the U.S. Since he's working (and welcomed) in a hospital setting, he can serve as a gateway if the problem really requires the services of other specialties. In other words, he's not like the U.S. chiros who portray their type of medicine as the way to cure all medical problems. Also, his training extends beyond traditional chiropracty. He showed me a couple of simple yoga poses that I now do each morning which have done far more to correct my on-going back problem than years of routine visits to the chiros in the U.S. ever did.

This may not help the OP much, however.

[BadtzBee]

Hi Sheryl and Nancy. Thanks for your help. I must admit I was starting to feel a little disconsolate at the lack of response.( Pain is as much a psychological process as it is a physical one, and can affect us mentally and emotionally as well as physically, particularly when the pain is ongoing and debilitating. Coupling that with living in relative isolation from the social and cultural support we used to receive "back home" can lead to frustration and even anger. I'm sure I'm not telling you anything new here.)

If no other recommendations are forthcoming (and I take your point Sheryl, that it is unlikely that there will be), it seems the temporary solution will be to travel to one of the bigger towns to seek treatment. I like the idea of an overseas trained chiropractor, for no other reason than I am familiar with the professional training they undertook to become qualified, and of course we speak the same language. Nancy's suggestion of Dr. Parry in Chiang Mai seems to fit the bill quite nicely, especially as he seems to be attuned to other alternatives besides manipulation.

In point of fact, although I have been receiving chiropractic treatment for 20 years or so, along with physio, I have never been under the illusion that it is anything more than a short term fix. Actually, it was several of the chiropractors I used to see who explained this to me. I think that some chiropractors are less invested ideologically in their practice than others - at least in my experience. I'm originally from Australia, so I'm not sure if that plays a part in it (not me being from Australia, but practitioners from different countries having different governing bodies and institutions and thus having different ideological outlooks).

In any case, I am always open to trying alternatives to surgery, and who knows, maybe I might find a "cure' or at least an effective management treatment here in Thailand, and dare I hope, maybe even a bit closer to home.

Kind regards

B.

Edited August 17, 2014 by BadtzBee

[wilcopops]

if the OP is in pain I have to advise him that apart from plowback manipulation which you can get from just about any physical massage or better still a physiotherapist, you won't get any real relief from the pain.

[Issangeorge]

You may want to try Thai traditional massage if you can't find a chiropractor. I have several friends with back problems who swear by Thai traditional massage.

[ozsamurai]

If you are going to make the trek, you will find all the recommendations will point to Dr. Don in BKK. I just dug around google for you

http://www.bioenergyasia.com/

I have nothing but good to say of him.... but search here on the forum and you will see 'he da man'. Not cheap (1800 last time for me), not easy to get an appointment, but hey...

Oz

[ozsamurai]

Even here on TV

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=5ac86b0e7b821077f0bd7e5e81563e8e&app=googlecse#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Dr%20Don

Oz

[wilcopops]

You may want to try Thai traditional massage if you can't find a chiropractor. I have several friends with back problems who swear by Thai traditional massage.

Extremely DANGEROUS advice.

[BadtzBee]

You may want to try Thai traditional massage if you can't find a chiropractor. I have several friends with back problems who swear by Thai traditional massage.

Yes, I have given Thai Massage some consideration.The massages I've had from physiotherapists haven't been of great benefit to date, so I'd still like to try to get chiro. treatment if possible, as it has been the most successful for me so far. In fact the secondary reason for wanting to find a chiropractor is get his or her advice on the suitability of this approach for my particular back condition. Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it.

[BadtzBee]

If you are going to make the trek, you will find all the recommendations will point to Dr. Don in BKK. I just dug around google for you

http://www.bioenergyasia.com/

I have nothing but good to say of him.... but search here on the forum and you will see 'he da man'. Not cheap (1800 last time for me), not easy to get an appointment, but hey...

Oz

Excellent. A couple of good options now. Appreciate the heads up. Cheers.

[Sheryl]

an unhelpful post has been removed.

members are reminded of Health Forum rule #7:

"....aggressive attempts to persuade other members to either adapt or abandon alternative vs. modern forms of treatment will not be permitted. Experience has shown that this invariably leads to arguments and flame fests that serve no useful purpose."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/224498-health-forum-rules/

If the OP wants advice on what type of treatment to get, he will ask for it (and if so, please provide sufficient background detail on the problem). To date he has not done so, rather he has only asked where to find a chiropractor.

[WitawatWatawit]

Dr Mark Leoni in Bkk was a big help to me over several years. As a health professional I regard him as the real deal. I haven't seen Mark for more than 10 years, but I notice from his website thailandchiropractor that he has a new clinic on the eastern outskirts of Bkk. I think you can be sure you'll get top quality treatment from him.

[wilcopops]

an unhelpful post has been removed.

members are reminded of Health Forum rule #7:

"....aggressive attempts to persuade other members to either adapt or abandon alternative vs. modern forms of treatment will not be permitted. Experience has shown that this invariably leads to arguments and flame fests that serve no useful purpose."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/224498-health-forum-rules/

If the OP wants advice on what type of treatment to get, he will ask for it (and if so, please provide sufficient background detail on the problem). To date he has not done so, rather he has only asked where to find a chiropractor.

It could save someone's life or at least a large sum of money.

[uty6543]

There is a chiropractor that visits Udon about once a month that I found on another forum. There is also rose massage which seems to be well recommend for back problems which I am hoping to go to tomorrow. I have also been to my local government hospital massage department with some success. I am not a fan of traditional thai massage but the hospital ladies seem to know what they are doing. Good luck. If you have found anyone you can recommend please post it here as there are many of us who need their services and are willing to put our lives in their hands.