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Michael Brown had a lot of hand signs, same as you or I have]

Really? You really are starting to sound ridiculous. He's flashing gang signs you fool!

Though I do have a certain hand sign for you!

You're just inventing stories as you go along as to what happened.

Hats off to the brave police officer for not backing down.

One less scumbag gang banger roaming the streets. Hopefully, more to follow.

Some people are so busy writing fiction they can't recognize non-fiction when they see it.

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The campaign comes right before our eyes.

The Ugly Smearing of Michael Brown
Even before Ferguson police accused the unarmed teenager shot by Officer Darren Wilson of robbery, the fringiest elements of the American right rushed to depict Brown as a thug.

Brown’s family made just that point in a statement Friday: “There is nothing based on the facts that have been placed before us that can justify the execution style murder of their child by this police officer as he held his hands up, which is the universal sign of surrender.”

It should go without saying but vaguely intimidating photos of you do not give the police carte blanche to gun you down, and we no longer live in a country where it is OK to sentence black men to death for the crime of petty theft.

Thankfully, the ugly gang smears against Brown have been relegated mostly to the noisy but fringiest elements of the American right

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-ugly-smearing-of-michael-brown.html

Yes indeed, the fringe far right internationale is again prominently represented at this thread too.

Here's a relevant commentary by an African American self confessed "liberal."

Ferguson Is Taking Us Back To The Future

The senseless killing of black people dates back to slavery.

The tireless effort by the Rabid Right to turn back the clock and disenfranchise African Americans (and anyone else who doesn’t share their views) has already begun to send America back into the moral morass from which it sprung.

It is very hard for a tree to walk away from its roots, and the all-too-American roots of oppression of the ‘other’ remain anchored deep in the soil.

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/08/18/ferguson-future.html

The Ferguson Police didn't smear Brown's reputation? Brown did that all by himself. The police merely released a video depicting Brown committing a robbery and roughing up a store clerk that was half his size. Then minutes later Brown attacked a police officer who was also much smaller than him, and was subsequently shot and killed. Then we find out Brown was a member of the "Bloods" street gang. The bottom line is Brown was nothing more than a street thug.

If the Ferguson police officer had been black, and brown would have been a white street gang member, along with the identical circumstances, this would have never made the news. Could you imagine a white community in America, rioting, burning down their business community, and chanting for the death of a police officer, if the above mention scenario would have taken place?

I wonder why the liberal media and liberals in general get their panties all bunched up over police enforcing the laws they are being paid to enforce. What is it that would make a black person above the law in the eyes of a liberal?

"Brown attacked a police officer who was also much smaller than him"

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What is funny about the statement "Brown attacked a police officer who was much smaller than him?" That is a fact. John Wayne once said, "life is tough, but it's tougher when you are stupid." I can't imagine how tough life has been for you.

It takes a lot of courage to make a post that concedes the argument no matter how the concession is worded or stated.

Some people would say it's courage.

John Wayne himself might call it yet something else.

So I guess I should quote Woody Allen at this point but I won't.

Well, maybe this one time.......

http://comedy-quotes.com/woody-allen/down_south.html

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It is a case of an unarmed teenager committing petty theft who went on to graduate to the heinous crime of jaywalking for all of which he was chased by an on the run police officer blasting his weapon repeatedly until the officer killed the thug.

The campaign of character assassination here is grotesque.

Petty theft would have been the case if he had simply pocketed the cigars and walked out the store. The moment you lay hands on an employee of the store then you have elevated the crime from"petty theft" to a strong arm robbery. The video is not character assassination as it only provides a video documentation of events. One can question the timing of the release of the video as being questionable, but the video would have been released regardless. And it will, in my opinion, provide for that shadow of a doubt, if indeed this case makes it to a trial, as to whether the officer feared for his life and was justified in shooting in lieu of the lack of any other evidence to corroborate one of the two conflicting narratives of what happened at the spot of the shooting.

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The killer cop Wilson has to be arrested and taken into custody very soon.

The Ferguson police chief needs to resign now or be fired.

Back in the day, when local authorities bent to the will of the rabble and dispensed justice based upon popular demand, it was called "lynching".

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It is a case of an unarmed teenager committing petty theft who went on to graduate to the heinous crime of jaywalking for all of which he was chased by an on the run police officer blasting his weapon repeatedly until the officer killed the thug.

The campaign of character assassination here is grotesque.

Petty theft would have been the case if he had simply pocketed the cigars and walked out the store. The moment you lay hands on an employee of the store then you have elevated the crime from"petty theft" to a strong arm robbery. The video is not character assassination as it only provides a video documentation of events. One can question the timing of the release of the video as being questionable, but the video would have been released regardless. And it will, in my opinion, provide for that shadow of a doubt, if indeed this case makes it to a trial, as to whether the officer feared for his life and was justified in shooting in lieu of the lack of any other evidence to corroborate one of the two conflicting narratives of what happened at the spot of the shooting.

There's no such legal charge as "strong arm robbery."

You are blowing blue smoke in your house of mirrors.

Michael Brown was unarmed the whole day and had no firearms violations during his life.

The police officer Darren Wilson violated every proper rule of the possession and use of firearms by a police officer.

*Above all, this department values the safety of its employees and the public.

Likewise it believes that police officers should use firearms with a high degree of restraint. Officers' use of firearms, therefore, shall never be considered routine and is permissible only in defense of life and then only after all alternative means have been exhausted.

RULE 1: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms except to protect themselves or another person from imminent death or serious bodily injury.

RULE 2: Police officers shall discharge their firearms only when doing so will not endanger innocent persons.

RULE 3: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms to threaten or subdue persons whose actions are destructive to property or injurious to themselves but which do not represent an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or others.

RULE 4: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms to subdue an escaping suspect who presents no imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.

RULE 5: Police officers shall not discharge their weapons at a moving vehicle unless it is absolutely necessary

RULE 6: Police officers when confronting an oncoming vehicle shall attempt to move out of the path, if possible,

RULE 7: Police officers shall not intentionally place themselves in the path of an oncoming vehicle

RULE 8: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms at a fleeing vehicle or its driver.

RULE 9: Police officers shall not fire warning shots.

RULE 10: Police officers shall not draw or display their firearms unless there is a threat or probable cause to believe there is a threat to life, or for inspection.

*Police Department Office of the Commissioner, City of Houston, Texas.

http://policecrimes....ice_abuse2.html

http://policecrimes....lice_abuse.html

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The killer cop Wilson has to be arrested and taken into custody very soon.

The Ferguson police chief needs to resign now or be fired.

Back in the day, when local authorities bent to the will of the rabble and dispensed justice based upon popular demand, it was called "lynching".

Yours is another overstatement and another chapter of fiction.

The police chief needs to lose his position of public trust because the chief has lost all trust.

The police chief's life is not in danger and the chief of police is not the unarmed guy who got shot to death by a trigger happy on the run cop whom the chief has done nothing but made excuses for.

The chief needs to start drawing his pension instead of pouring gasoline on the fire.

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you have no conception of reality

any police officer, in the USA, at any time, may use his firearms if he fears the is threatened in ANY way

it all happened too fast for Michael Brown and he ran into the wrong cop this time.

No charges will be filed

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It is a case of an unarmed teenager committing petty theft who went on to graduate to the heinous crime of jaywalking for all of which he was chased by an on the run police officer blasting his weapon repeatedly until the officer killed the thug.

The campaign of character assassination here is grotesque.

Petty theft would have been the case if he had simply pocketed the cigars and walked out the store. The moment you lay hands on an employee of the store then you have elevated the crime from"petty theft" to a strong arm robbery. The video is not character assassination as it only provides a video documentation of events. One can question the timing of the release of the video as being questionable, but the video would have been released regardless. And it will, in my opinion, provide for that shadow of a doubt, if indeed this case makes it to a trial, as to whether the officer feared for his life and was justified in shooting in lieu of the lack of any other evidence to corroborate one of the two conflicting narratives of what happened at the spot of the shooting.

There's no such legal charge as "strong arm robbery."

You are blowing blue smoke in your house of mirrors.

Michael Brown was unarmed the whole day and had no firearms violations during his life.

The police officer Darren Wilson violated every proper rule of the possession and use of firearms by a police officer.

*Above all, this department values the safety of its employees and the public.

Likewise it believes that police officers should use firearms with a high degree of restraint. Officers' use of firearms, therefore, shall never be considered routine and is permissible only in defense of life and then only after all alternative means have been exhausted.

RULE 1: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms except to protect themselves or another person from imminent death or serious bodily injury.

RULE 2: Police officers shall discharge their firearms only when doing so will not endanger innocent persons.

RULE 3: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms to threaten or subdue persons whose actions are destructive to property or injurious to themselves but which do not represent an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or others.

RULE 4: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms to subdue an escaping suspect who presents no imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.

RULE 5: Police officers shall not discharge their weapons at a moving vehicle unless it is absolutely necessary

RULE 6: Police officers when confronting an oncoming vehicle shall attempt to move out of the path, if possible,

RULE 7: Police officers shall not intentionally place themselves in the path of an oncoming vehicle

RULE 8: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms at a fleeing vehicle or its driver.

RULE 9: Police officers shall not fire warning shots.

RULE 10: Police officers shall not draw or display their firearms unless there is a threat or probable cause to believe there is a threat to life, or for inspection.

*Police Department Office of the Commissioner, City of Houston, Texas.

http://policecrimes....ice_abuse2.html

http://policecrimes....lice_abuse.html

What relevance do the police rules of the Houston TX, Police Department have to do with anything happening in Ferguson, MO?

HPD has no jurisdiction in this matter and, as far as the known world is concerned, there were no Houston police officers involved.

You really should try and get a grip on reality here.

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It is a case of an unarmed teenager committing petty theft who went on to graduate to the heinous crime of jaywalking for all of which he was chased by an on the run police officer blasting his weapon repeatedly until the officer killed the thug.

The campaign of character assassination here is grotesque.

Petty theft would have been the case if he had simply pocketed the cigars and walked out the store. The moment you lay hands on an employee of the store then you have elevated the crime from"petty theft" to a strong arm robbery. The video is not character assassination as it only provides a video documentation of events. One can question the timing of the release of the video as being questionable, but the video would have been released regardless. And it will, in my opinion, provide for that shadow of a doubt, if indeed this case makes it to a trial, as to whether the officer feared for his life and was justified in shooting in lieu of the lack of any other evidence to corroborate one of the two conflicting narratives of what happened at the spot of the shooting.

There's no such legal charge as "strong arm robbery."

You are blowing blue smoke in your house of mirrors.

Michael Brown was unarmed the whole day and had no firearms violations during his life.

The police officer Darren Wilson violated every proper rule of the possession and use of firearms by a police officer.

*Above all, this department values the safety of its employees and the public.

Likewise it believes that police officers should use firearms with a high degree of restraint. Officers' use of firearms, therefore, shall never be considered routine and is permissible only in defense of life and then only after all alternative means have been exhausted.

RULE 1: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms except to protect themselves or another person from imminent death or serious bodily injury.

RULE 2: Police officers shall discharge their firearms only when doing so will not endanger innocent persons.

RULE 3: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms to threaten or subdue persons whose actions are destructive to property or injurious to themselves but which do not represent an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or others.

RULE 4: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms to subdue an escaping suspect who presents no imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.

RULE 5: Police officers shall not discharge their weapons at a moving vehicle unless it is absolutely necessary

RULE 6: Police officers when confronting an oncoming vehicle shall attempt to move out of the path, if possible,

RULE 7: Police officers shall not intentionally place themselves in the path of an oncoming vehicle

RULE 8: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms at a fleeing vehicle or its driver.

RULE 9: Police officers shall not fire warning shots.

RULE 10: Police officers shall not draw or display their firearms unless there is a threat or probable cause to believe there is a threat to life, or for inspection.

*Police Department Office of the Commissioner, City of Houston, Texas.

http://policecrimes....ice_abuse2.html

http://policecrimes....lice_abuse.html

What relevance do the police rules of the Houston TX, Police Department have to do with anything happening in Ferguson, MO?

HPD has no jurisdiction in this matter and, as far as the known world is concerned, there were no Houston police officers involved.

You really should try and get a grip on reality here.

Don't get it, eh? Can't say I'm surprised.

Are the Ferguson police up to the proper police standard of firearms policies, rules, laws, training, professionalism and the like?

And how are we to know whether the Ferguson police might not be up to snuff?

Comparison is a time tested way to flesh out the truth of an organization such as the Ferguson police force.

So is the also time tested technique of contrast.

The Houston police have been praised universally for their firearms policies, rules, procedures, practices, training, supervision and the like. The Ferggie police definitely are not up to the recognized standard.

The chief needs to quit or be fired.

The county prosecutor needs to cede the case to the state or to the feds.

The killer cop needs to be arrested and charged forthwith, not just make an arrest, but because the cop is a lawless cop which is the worst kind of bad cop. Officer Darren Wilson is a rogue cop and it is in the interests of all police everywhere that such a wildly unrestrained cop be dealt with without hesitation, delay, evasion.

Maybe you still don't get it.

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you have no conception of reality

any police officer, in the USA, at any time, may use his firearms if he fears the is threatened in ANY way

it all happened too fast for Michael Brown and he ran into the wrong cop this time.

No charges will be filed

"any police officer, in the USA, at any time, may use his firearms if he fears the is threatened in ANY way"

You just said what the ten rules say collectively and individually. If you'd want to say the same thing in your own layman's way, that would be fine.

However the ten rules do say something you don't say or give any mind to......

*Above all, this department values the safety of its employees and the public.

Likewise it believes that police officers should use firearms with a high degree of restraint. Officers' use of firearms, therefore, shall never be considered routine and is permissible only in defense of life and then only after all alternative means have been exhausted.

It's time for the extreme right sector to face this reality of police work.

And you are dead wrong to say charges will not be filed.

Charges will be filed so save this post.

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There's no such legal charge as "strong arm robbery."

You are blowing blue smoke in your house of mirrors.

Michael Brown was unarmed the whole day and had no firearms violations during his life.

The police officer Darren Wilson violated every proper rule of the possession and use of firearms by a police officer.

You are correct that "strong arm robbery" is a descriptive term rather than a legal term. But then again petty theft is not a legal term and is also a descriptive term most often associated with shoplifting. Robbery and shoplifting are legally distinguished by the use of force, robbery being defined as the taking of goods by the use of force. Shoplifting a box of cigars would be a misdemeanor in most districts unless the value of the cigars exceeded a value determined by local regulations. Robbery is always a felony crime.

As a member of the general public I am not in possession of enough information to determine whether the officer followed the rules of his department of not. How the smoke and mirrors in your life lead you to assume more knowledge is also beyond my ability to determine the validity of your opinion.

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Back in the day, when local authorities bent to the will of the rabble and dispensed justice based upon popular demand, it was called "lynching".

Yours is another overstatement and another chapter of fiction.

The police chief needs to lose his position of public trust because the chief has lost all trust.

The police chief's life is not in danger and the chief of police is not the unarmed guy who got shot to death by a trigger happy on the run cop whom the chief has done nothing but made excuses for.

The chief needs to start drawing his pension instead of pouring gasoline on the fire.

My comment is neither overstatement nor fiction. The people clamor for justice and justice is being delivered in spades. There are local investigations, State investigations, and even an Federal investigation currently ongoing in Ferguson. And still the people are protesting for justice. So given that tremendous amount of justice being brought to this case one must begin to ask if whether it is justice being sought or something else. Sometimes people, and not just 3-year olds, can't take yes for an answer.

That being said, I do agree 100% that it is time for the Chief of Police of Ferguson to step down.

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you have no conception of reality

any police officer, in the USA, at any time, may use his firearms if he fears the is threatened in ANY way

it all happened too fast for Michael Brown and he ran into the wrong cop this time.

No charges will be filed

"any police officer, in the USA, at any time, may use his firearms if he fears the is threatened in ANY way"

You just said what the ten rules say collectively and individually. If you'd want to say the same thing in your own layman's way, that would be fine.

However the ten rules do say something you don't say or give any mind to......

*Above all, this department values the safety of its employees and the public.

Likewise it believes that police officers should use firearms with a high degree of restraint. Officers' use of firearms, therefore, shall never be considered routine and is permissible only in defense of life and then only after all alternative means have been exhausted.

It's time for the extreme right sector to face this reality of police work.

And you are dead wrong to say charges will not be filed.

Charges will be filed so save this post.

No charges will be filed.

The officer feared for his life.

Had he lost control of any of his weapons, he would be dead.

No jury in the world, even an all black jury, will consider these charges for any indictment.

The officer acted properly.

the kid threw up his hands too late, if he even did

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This just got worse: Another police shooting, 10 miles away from Ferguson

Oh shit. Not good. Tell you what. Let's just give the thugs wanna be gangsters St. Louis, Memphis, Detroit and all of the other towns they destroyed and let them secede from the nation and police their own . . . Jeez. There is no solution for stupidity.

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This just got worse: Another police shooting, 10 miles away from Ferguson

Oh shit. Not good. Tell you what. Let's just give the thugs wanna be gangsters St. Louis, Memphis, Detroit and all of the other towns they destroyed and let them secede from the nation and police their own . . . Jeez. There is no solution for stupidity.

....Out of sight, out of mind.....

.....I see.....

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you have no conception of reality

any police officer, in the USA, at any time, may use his firearms if he fears the is threatened in ANY way

it all happened too fast for Michael Brown and he ran into the wrong cop this time.

No charges will be filed

"any police officer, in the USA, at any time, may use his firearms if he fears the is threatened in ANY way"

You just said what the ten rules say collectively and individually. If you'd want to say the same thing in your own layman's way, that would be fine.

However the ten rules do say something you don't say or give any mind to......

*Above all, this department values the safety of its employees and the public.

Likewise it believes that police officers should use firearms with a high degree of restraint. Officers' use of firearms, therefore, shall never be considered routine and is permissible only in defense of life and then only after all alternative means have been exhausted.

It's time for the extreme right sector to face this reality of police work.

And you are dead wrong to say charges will not be filed.

Charges will be filed so save this post.

No charges will be filed.

The officer feared for his life.

Had he lost control of any of his weapons, he would be dead.

No jury in the world, even an all black jury, will consider these charges for any indictment.

The officer acted properly.

the kid threw up his hands too late, if he even did

Reams of fiction now.

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What relevance do the police rules of the Houston TX, Police Department have to do with anything happening in Ferguson, MO?

HPD has no jurisdiction in this matter and, as far as the known world is concerned, there were no Houston police officers involved.

You really should try and get a grip on reality here.

Don't get it, eh? Can't say I'm surprised.

Are the Ferguson police up to the proper police standard of firearms policies, rules, laws, training, professionalism and the like?

And how are we to know whether the Ferguson police might not be up to snuff?

Comparison is a time tested way to flesh out the truth of an organization such as the Ferguson police force.

So is the also time tested technique of contrast.

The Houston police have been praised universally for their firearms policies, rules, procedures, practices, training, supervision and the like. The Ferggie police definitely are not up to the recognized standard.

The chief needs to quit or be fired.

The county prosecutor needs to cede the case to the state or to the feds.

The killer cop needs to be arrested and charged forthwith, not just make an arrest, but because the cop is a lawless cop which is the worst kind of bad cop. Officer Darren Wilson is a rogue cop and it is in the interests of all police everywhere that such a wildly unrestrained cop be dealt with without hesitation, delay, evasion.

Maybe you still don't get it.

On, I get it allright. I'm not the one that has lost control of all my bodily functions over this incident.

Unlike some people, I'm waiting for more information to be developed before I make a premature and possibly very foolish judgement on the circumstances surrounding this incident.

As an example, I would like to hear more about the 12 witnesses that have been located that claim Officer Wilson's version of the attack by Brown was accurate. Brown actually did charge at Officer Wilson, so they claim.

I would also like further verification about the injury to Officer Wilson as being an Orbital Blowout Fracture to his Eye Socket. It would seem your alleged innocent teddy bear did some damage, unless you want to claim Wilson's eye was injured by a shell casing ejected from his handgun.

Yet again, regardless of whether you approve or disapprove of the Ferguson Police Department's rules on the use of force, the Houston PD rules have absolutely not one iota of relevancy to this thread.

Valium has always worked to relax me when I become over wrought

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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown

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This just got worse: Another police shooting, 10 miles away from Ferguson

Oh shit. Not good. Tell you what. Let's just give the thugs wanna be gangsters St. Louis, Memphis, Detroit and all of the other towns they destroyed and let them secede from the nation and police their own . . . Jeez. There is no solution for stupidity.

....Out of sight, out of mind.....

.....I see.....

If they want destroy their surroundings and they are so unhappy with the establishment, f'em. They can move on and I would live for my tax dollars to actually go to decent people that care and try in life, not a bunch non working idiots running around rioting, looting and acting like a bunch of monkeys.

Why should we even put a bunch of good men in harms way who get attacked and then persecuted if heaven forbid they try and defend themselves.

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This just got worse: Another police shooting, 10 miles away from Ferguson

Oh shit. Not good. Tell you what. Let's just give the thugs wanna be gangsters St. Louis, Memphis, Detroit and all of the other towns they destroyed and let them secede from the nation and police their own . . . Jeez. There is no solution for stupidity.

....Out of sight, out of mind.....

.....I see.....

If they want destroy their surroundings and they are so unhappy with the establishment, f'em. They can move on and I would live for my tax dollars to actually go to decent people that care and try in life, not a bunch non working idiots running around rioting, looting and acting like a bunch of monkeys.

Why should we even put a bunch of good men in harms way who get attacked and then persecuted if heaven forbid they try and defend themselves.

The police chief needs to be kicked out to pasture.

The county prosecutor practically invited the governor to remove him from the case, saying publically the governor has the authority to remove him and that, if removed, the prosecutor would have to respect that.

The cop and his allies are feeling the heat.

The AG will circulate in Ferguson today.

Amnesty International has an unprecedented number of people in Ferguson who've arrived in the U.S. from abroad.

So I'm afraid cession is not on the table so the thinking and attitude need substantial and significant adjustment of a radical nature.

Otherwise it will be the same same forever.

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I see the heavy artillery has arrived.

That's old news from a couple of days ago.

Brown was unarmed.

Try to keep up.

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I see the heavy artillery has arrived.

That's old news from a couple of days ago.

Try to keep up.

You mean the facts are starting to arrive and they are not going to fit your narrative.

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I see the heavy artillery has arrived.

That's old news from a couple of days ago.

Try to keep up.

You mean the facts are starting to arrive and they are not going to fit your narrative.

Far right wing fiction has never respected the facts, never will respect the facts.

Guaranteed.

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Between Brown's strong-arm robbery on videotape, the 12 eyewitnesses supporting the officers story and this, there is zero chance of a conviction, but he will probably be indicted for political reasons.

The Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

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I see the heavy artillery has arrived.

That's old news from a couple of days ago.

Try to keep up.

You mean the facts are starting to arrive and they are not going to fit your narrative.

Far right wing fiction has never respected the facts, never will respect the facts.

Guaranteed.

And the far left is any better at dealing with truth???

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You mean the facts are starting to arrive and they are not going to fit your narrative.

Far right wing fiction has never respected the facts, never will respect the facts.

Guaranteed.

And the far left is any better at dealing with truth???

Can't speak for 'em myself.

I'm center-left.

The mob here is extremely far out, waaaay so far out I can almost see 'em from here when I look further out past my left wing friends.

You two groups are almost standing together in the same place. smile.png

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