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This just got worse: Another police shooting, 10 miles away from Ferguson

Oh shit. Not good. Tell you what. Let's just give the thugs wanna be gangsters St. Louis, Memphis, Detroit and all of the other towns they destroyed and let them secede from the nation and police their own . . . Jeez. There is no solution for stupidity.

not this time,

this was a mentally ill kid, with a pocket knife, and these two police officers are going to prison

THIS ONE, IS THE GAME CHANGER IN AMERICA

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What relevance do the police rules of the Houston TX, Police Department have to do with anything happening in Ferguson, MO?

HPD has no jurisdiction in this matter and, as far as the known world is concerned, there were no Houston police officers involved.

You really should try and get a grip on reality here.

Don't get it, eh? Can't say I'm surprised.

Are the Ferguson police up to the proper police standard of firearms policies, rules, laws, training, professionalism and the like?

And how are we to know whether the Ferguson police might not be up to snuff?

Comparison is a time tested way to flesh out the truth of an organization such as the Ferguson police force.

So is the also time tested technique of contrast.

The Houston police have been praised universally for their firearms policies, rules, procedures, practices, training, supervision and the like. The Ferggie police definitely are not up to the recognized standard.

The chief needs to quit or be fired.

The county prosecutor needs to cede the case to the state or to the feds.

The killer cop needs to be arrested and charged forthwith, not just make an arrest, but because the cop is a lawless cop which is the worst kind of bad cop. Officer Darren Wilson is a rogue cop and it is in the interests of all police everywhere that such a wildly unrestrained cop be dealt with without hesitation, delay, evasion.

Maybe you still don't get it.

On, I get it allright. I'm not the one that has lost control of all my bodily functions over this incident.

Unlike some people, I'm waiting for more information to be developed before I make a premature and possibly very foolish judgement on the circumstances surrounding this incident.

As an example, I would like to hear more about the 12 witnesses that have been located that claim Officer Wilson's version of the attack by Brown was accurate. Brown actually did charge at Officer Wilson, so they claim.

I would also like further verification about the injury to Officer Wilson as being an Orbital Blowout Fracture to his Eye Socket. It would seem your alleged innocent teddy bear did some damage, unless you want to claim Wilson's eye was injured by a shell casing ejected from his handgun.

Yet again, regardless of whether you approve or disapprove of the Ferguson Police Department's rules on the use of force, the Houston PD rules have absolutely not one iota of relevancy to this thread.

Valium has always worked to relax me when I become over wrought

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http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/19/preliminary-report-over-a-dozen-witnesses-back-darren-wilsons-story/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown

Valium?

why Valium, in the land of the soapy?

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THIS ONE, IS THE GAME CHANGER IN AMERICA

It is one minor incident and unlikely to "change" anything. rolleyes.gif

it isnt a minor incident, because it comes while news crews are still arriving,

the states attorney general just left there after giving an interview,

the new Black Panthers are there now

and the Nation of Islam is there,

this is about to get very serious, and I dont mean as far as rioting,

this is how laws are changed, and could mean the beginning of the end of the police state

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This whole Ferguson fiasco would not even be a 30 second blip on the evening cable news if it wasn't for the stand by team of leftist radicals and black racists. These people want more obamaism, leftism and socialism and are always on the lookout for an opportunity to fuel a flare up to further their efforts to splinter and divide the American people. The advent of the coming fall elections are fast approaching and it doesn't look good for the Leftist Democrats to hold the Senate. Once that is gone obamism is roadkill waiting for the vultures to carry it off. So - it is anything goes - whatever is necessary - anything to take the country's eye off the ball and stir up the black voting block. But it is already backfiring as the truth of the matter comes out. The leftist and black racial separatists are fuming - slobbering at the mouth like rabid dogs because they are being prevented in creating another fiction same as 'Trevon the innocent boy'. The problem is this 'boy' Brown was a huge out of control thug who thought he was being questioned for the robbery of 15 minutes before. He went into panic mode, tried to take the cop's gun and then punched the cop out - breaking his face. Next in a crazed moment went back to finish the job when the cop had the audacity to yell 'freeze'!... "I thought I shut him up"!

This 'sympathetic' boy had just finished roughing up a store manager after stealing some cigars - and he knew his fun time was up when he encountered the cop. But how could that be? "I'm a hop hop rap man who can flash gang signs, act cool... thumb my nose at authority, there is no law controlling me, I am entitled - my main man is in the big office so I can do what I want - I don't have to work, I can smoke dope, I can jive all day, kick some ass when I want... Who is this uppity cop anyway? Why is he picking on me - I am just an innocent boy.

In Chicago Brown wouldn't even be noticed because he would be one of thousands just like him. But in Chicago there are not enough white people remaining in their neighborhood - so they shoot each other at record high rates. Why? Because they can - and 'they cool'.

Well said!

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well said?

I think you missed the portrayal portion of this hot button issue, and, Brown is already buried as far as the story goes,

the real rallying cry is now going to be, two white cops, shooting a kid with a mental disability, who only held a butter knife

these guys have made sure, this topic stays hot, and gets hotter

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The AG will circulate in Ferguson today.

IMO, Eric Holder is on the same level as race-hustlers Al Shapton and Jesse Jackson.

Can't speak for 'em myself.

I'm center-left.

Judging from your posts, I would say far radical far-left.

the new Black Panthers are there now

and the Nation of Islam is there

All that means is a few more dead gang-bangers. No loss!

Well said!

Seconded!

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well said?

I think you missed the portrayal portion of this hot button issue, and, Brown is already buried as far as the story goes,

the real rallying cry is now going to be, two white cops, shooting a kid with a mental disability, who only held a butter knife

these guys have made sure, this topic stays hot, and gets hotter

How are the police to know this man has a mental illness ? Did the knife still have butter on it hence you know it was a butter knife rather than any other knife ? If you have just robbed a store with a knife and armed police tell you to drop the knife and lay on the floor and you don't then you get this. No doubt done by two trigger happy,card carrying KKK police officers

JEEEEZ

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The campaign comes right before our eyes.

The Ugly Smearing of Michael Brown
Even before Ferguson police accused the unarmed teenager shot by Officer Darren Wilson of robbery, the fringiest elements of the American right rushed to depict Brown as a thug.

Brown’s family made just that point in a statement Friday: “There is nothing based on the facts that have been placed before us that can justify the execution style murder of their child by this police officer as he held his hands up, which is the universal sign of surrender.”

It should go without saying but vaguely intimidating photos of you do not give the police carte blanche to gun you down, and we no longer live in a country where it is OK to sentence black men to death for the crime of petty theft.

Thankfully, the ugly gang smears against Brown have been relegated mostly to the noisy but fringiest elements of the American right

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-ugly-smearing-of-michael-brown.html

Yes indeed, the fringe far right internationale is again prominently represented at this thread too.

Here's a relevant commentary by an African American self confessed "liberal."

Ferguson Is Taking Us Back To The Future

The senseless killing of black people dates back to slavery.

The tireless effort by the Rabid Right to turn back the clock and disenfranchise African Americans (and anyone else who doesn’t share their views) has already begun to send America back into the moral morass from which it sprung.

It is very hard for a tree to walk away from its roots, and the all-too-American roots of oppression of the ‘other’ remain anchored deep in the soil.

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/08/18/ferguson-future.html

< the execution style murder of their child by this police officer as he held his hands up,>

You can say it a milion times and it doesn't make it true if it's not.

You weren't there, I wasn't there, his family weren't there, the protestors weren't there.

Let's wait till the investigation reveals the facts shall we?

<the fringiest elements of the American right rushed to depict Brown as a thug.>

If the VDO tape is in fact of Brown robbing the convenience store he IS a thug.

Michael Brown had a lot of hand signs, same as you or I have.

michael-brown-ferguson-pic-05.jpg?de9c64

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168106-controversy-rages-images-media-presents-ferguson-shooting-victim-mike-brown/

Here's the thug you people don't know......

Thug Life

A word evolved by the late Tupac Shakur commonly mistaken for a criminal.
Thug Life is the opposite of someone having all he needs to succeed. Thug life is when you have nothing, and succeed, when you have overcome all obstacles to reach your aim.
"When my heart beats, it screams THUG LIFE."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thug%20Life

The meaning of thug applies to those who have desire, drive, ambition to find the path to success as Michael Brown had been doing by enrolling in a community college he was to have entered the day after he was in fact shot and killed by a trigger happy cop violating all the proper rules that govern a police officer carrying a firearm.

RULE 1: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms except to protect themselves or another person from imminent death or serious bodily injury.

RULE 3: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms to threaten or subdue persons whose actions are destructive to property or injurious to themselves but which do not represent an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or others.

RULE 4: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms to subdue an escaping suspect who presents no imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.

RULE 9: Police officers shall not fire warning shots.

RULE 10: Police officers shall not draw or display their firearms unless there is a threat or probable cause to believe there is a threat to life.

Quite right.

RULE 1: Police officers shall not discharge their firearms except to protect themselves or another person from imminent death or serious bodily injury.

The police officer believed his life was in danger- a legal shooting. Brown was really large, the first 5 hits did not slow him down, and it took a head shot to the brain to bring him down.

Being a cop does not mandate going off shift in a body bag. Too many apologists for criminals think cops have no rights. If the cops went on strike over this, it wouldn't be long before the protestors were screaming for protection from the thugs in their community.

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well said?

I think you missed the portrayal portion of this hot button issue, and, Brown is already buried as far as the story goes,

the real rallying cry is now going to be, two white cops, shooting a kid with a mental disability, who only held a butter knife

these guys have made sure, this topic stays hot, and gets hotter

When the Brown shooting first broke the story was that he was just coming home from his grandma's when he was chased down by a cop, shot in the back and then the cop stood over him and put two in his head.

I'll wait for awile to see what the real story is for the knife welding thug who attacked two cops.

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I see the heavy artillery has arrived.

That's old news from a couple of days ago.

Brown was unarmed.

Try to keep up.

<Brown was unarmed.>

Since when does that have anything to do with it? Fists can kill.

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It sounds like both of these killings would not have happened if the police had used tasers instead of firearms.

And without body cameras there is no evidence to either convict or exonerate them.

Both should be mandatory at the present time.

It might calm things down a bit.

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It sounds like both of these killings would not have happened if the police had used tasers instead of firearms.

And without body cameras there is no evidence to either convict or exonerate them.

Both should be mandatory at the present time.

It might calm things down a bit.

Correct.

Also, the cop should have called ( and waited ) for backup before getting close to Brown.

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East St. Louis has the highest crime rate in the United States (according to the FBI's 100 most dangerous cities list). According to FBI's data of 2007, its murder rate hit 101.9 per population of 100,000, surpassing that of cities such as Gary, Indiana (48.3 per pop. 100,000); New Orleans, Louisiana (37.6); Baltimore, Maryland (43.3); and Detroit, Michigan (47.3); as well as that of its neighbor St. Louis (37.2). FBI data shows East St. Louis' rate of rape exceeded 250 per population of 100,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_St._Louis,_Illinois

East St louis is one of the poorest cities in the nation. Cameras? I'm surprised the cops can afford bullets.

You will notice most news stories keep avoiding saying that Ferguson is a suburb of East St. Louis but that's what it is.

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It sounds like both of these killings would not have happened if the police had used tasers instead of firearms.

The policeman was patrolling alone. I would not attempt to use a taser on a 6 ft 4 inch suspect - that I knew was wanted for a strong-arm robbery - on my own. It is too easy to take away.

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It sounds like both of these killings would not have happened if the police had used tasers instead of firearms.

The policeman was patrolling alone. I would not attempt to use a taser on a 6 ft 4 inch suspect - that I knew was wanted for a strong-arm robbery - on my own. It is too easy to take away.

I must have missed it. Have they established that the cop knew about the robbery?

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It sounds like both of these killings would not have happened if the police had used tasers instead of firearms.

The policeman was patrolling alone. I would not attempt to use a taser on a 6 ft 4 inch suspect - that I knew was wanted for a strong-arm robbery - on my own. It is too easy to take away.

It's too bad then you weren't there to hold the lonely Officer Wilson's hand and to help him to execute his office, duty, responsibility to the public. But then you're not a police officer are you (neither am I).

A single police officer has all on his person (plus a vehicle) that the officer needs to protect and defend him/her self against a suspect or a couple of suspects. And even the Ferggie police have communications equipment to call for backup or to assist an officer in distress. Yes, it's a tough job and incidents happen fast but the police are well aware of these facts and realities.

Wilson seemed instead obsessed to the point of his pursuit of the suspect being almost personal.

Your "strong-arm robbery" is plainly fiction. It was petty larceny, minor theft, petite shoplifting. The bottom line is that it was a simple robbery. It was not an aggravated robbery (with a weapon). Those are the two charges of robbery. Strong arm robbery is a rhetorical concoction. One could say there's some strong arm posting going on too. tongue.png

Have the Ferggie police specifically said what the charge was, or would have been? Has the prosecutor said? I haven't seen anything on this which would mean you are free to write your fantastic fiction.

The fact remains that Michael Brown was unarmed all of the day and, moreover, Brown never had a firearms violation in his life, same as you or I never have had one.

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It sounds like both of these killings would not have happened if the police had used tasers instead of firearms.

The policeman was patrolling alone. I would not attempt to use a taser on a 6 ft 4 inch suspect - that I knew was wanted for a strong-arm robbery - on my own. It is too easy to take away.

I must have missed it. Have they established that the cop knew about the robbery?

A statement was made that he stopped Brown for walking in the middle of the street, but then noticed that he was clutching a box of cigars and matched the description of the suspect in the strong-arm robbery.

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This whole Ferguson fiasco would not even be a 30 second blip on the evening cable news if it wasn't for the stand by team of leftist radicals and black racists. These people want more obamaism, leftism and socialism and are always on the lookout for an opportunity to fuel a flare up to further their efforts to splinter and divide the American people. The advent of the coming fall elections are fast approaching and it doesn't look good for the Leftist Democrats to hold the Senate. Once that is gone obamism is roadkill waiting for the vultures to carry it off. So - it is anything goes - whatever is necessary - anything to take the country's eye off the ball and stir up the black voting block. But it is already backfiring as the truth of the matter comes out. The leftist and black racial separatists are fuming - slobbering at the mouth like rabid dogs because they are being prevented in creating another fiction same as 'Trevon the innocent boy'. The problem is this 'boy' Brown was a huge out of control thug who thought he was being questioned for the robbery of 15 minutes before. He went into panic mode, tried to take the cop's gun and then punched the cop out - breaking his face. Next in a crazed moment went back to finish the job when the cop had the audacity to yell 'freeze'!... "I thought I shut him up"!

This 'sympathetic' boy had just finished roughing up a store manager after stealing some cigars - and he knew his fun time was up when he encountered the cop. But how could that be? "I'm a hop hop rap man who can flash gang signs, act cool... thumb my nose at authority, there is no law controlling me, I am entitled - my main man is in the big office so I can do what I want - I don't have to work, I can smoke dope, I can jive all day, kick some ass when I want... Who is this uppity cop anyway? Why is he picking on me - I am just an innocent boy.

In Chicago Brown wouldn't even be noticed because he would be one of thousands just like him. But in Chicago there are not enough white people remaining in their neighborhood - so they shoot each other at record high rates. Why? Because they can - and 'they cool'.

Well said!

The heavy rhetorical artillery has started to blast away.

Some of the bombardment includes the following,

of leftist radicals and black racists

black racial separatists are fuming - slobbering at the mouth like rabid dogs

this 'boy' Brown was a huge out of control thug

These people want more obamaism, leftism and socialism

my main man is in the big office so I can do what I want

obamism is roadkill waiting for the vultures to carry it off.

Trouble is the big siege gun is firing blanks.

And misfiring.

Not shooting straight.

Again.

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It was petty larceny, minor theft, petite shoplifting. The bottom line is that it was a simple robbery.

Using words like petty, minor & petite just shows how ridiculous you sound and for some strange reason, just trying to lessen the gravity of Brown's crime. As far as I can tell, you're the only one here defending this scumbag.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=Aggravated+robbery

"Most robbery statutes distinguish between simple robbery and aggravated robbery. The most common aggravating factors are that the robber was armed with a deadly weapon or represented that he or she had a gun, that the robber actually inflicted serious bodily injury, or that the robber had an accomplice."

That last part is telling as indeed Brown did have an accomplice.

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It was petty larceny, minor theft, petite shoplifting. The bottom line is that it was a simple robbery.

Using words like petty, minor & petite just shows how ridiculous you sound and for some strange reason, just trying to lessen the gravity of Brown's crime. As far as I can tell, you're the only one here defending this scumbag.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=Aggravated+robbery

"Most robbery statutes distinguish between simple robbery and aggravated robbery. The most common aggravating factors are that the robber was armed with a deadly weapon or represented that he or she had a gun, that the robber actually inflicted serious bodily injury, or that the robber had an accomplice."

That last part is telling as indeed Brown did have an accomplice.

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Oh, dear. Another night of long winded posts filled with oblique arguments designed to deflect the topic into political mud slinging rather than addressing the issue of the topic at hand. Note: Winona Ryder was a shoplifter. Michael Brown was a robber. Looks like somebody just got off their shift making license plates at the state pen.

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First off, you claimed Brown did not have a criminal record. Uhm, he did not have an adult criminal record, but then again how long had he been an adult?

Not very long. He was 18 years old, so his adult criminal record would have consisted of only a few months. His juvenile record is hidden. whistling.gif

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It sounds like both of these killings would not have happened if the police had used tasers instead of firearms.

The policeman was patrolling alone. I would not attempt to use a taser on a 6 ft 4 inch suspect - that I knew was wanted for a strong-arm robbery - on my own. It is too easy to take away.

I must have missed it. Have they established that the cop knew about the robbery?

A statement was made that he stopped Brown for walking in the middle of the street, but then noticed that he was clutching a box of cigars and matched the description of the suspect in the strong-arm robbery.

Don't know if true and we will not hear the cops side publicly while there is a criminal investigation unless leaked by friends, but I heard there was a call over the radio about the theft incident as he was confronting Brown about being in the street.

Unfortunately, we will not hear Wilson's side, the exact chain of events or police department's side while there is an ongoing criminal investigation. Right now, we get to hear only one side of the "argument" and, unfortunately people like Publicus and racist thugs on the streets of Ferguson are feeding press rumors and racial propaganda more than facts.

Publicus and rioting fools running around Ferguson are the societal problem. The thugs are selfish and care little about Brown or anyone else other than their own self and agendas.

Sharpton and Jackson care little about Brown. They love this stuff as it keeps them relevant and fills their coffers with Mo Money. Just like Brown's photo with Mo Money in his mouth, gun in hand, a bottle Lean, a bottle of Vodka and smoke in the background . . . Culture and mentality of give me Mo Money for no work or effort or by God I will take it from you.

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It was petty larceny, minor theft, petite shoplifting. The bottom line is that it was a simple robbery.

Using words like petty, minor & petite just shows how ridiculous you sound and for some strange reason, just trying to lessen the gravity of Brown's crime. As far as I can tell, you're the only one here defending this scumbag.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=Aggravated+robbery

"Most robbery statutes distinguish between simple robbery and aggravated robbery. The most common aggravating factors are that the robber was armed with a deadly weapon or represented that he or she had a gun, that the robber actually inflicted serious bodily injury, or that the robber had an accomplice."

That last part is telling as indeed Brown did have an accomplice.

We got you the first time smile.png

I'd read the same source you just posted, thx. My law degree is as instant as yours is, perhaps obtained a few moments before yours was wink.png

The Ferguson police have not arrested Brown's friend Dorian Anderson as an accomplice.

The Ferguson police have said / alleged Anderson was an accomplice.

If Anderson was an accomplice, why hasn't he been arrested?

Charged?

Chief Jackson says officer Wilson did not know when he astutely nailed Brown and Johnson for blatantly lawless jaywalking that either or both were suspects in a (simple) robbery.

It could have developed however that Wilson saw the cigars in Brown's possession and immediately concluded they were stolen rather than purchased (whatever). Wilson could have concluded the cigars were stolen because he was, after all, encountering two guys obviously guilty of lawless and potentially violent jaywalking. clap2.gif

There is reason to believe btw the county's investigation of Wilson killing Brown is not above board.

The FPD chief Jackson has been a blatant apologist of Wilson, same as has been the county police chief each of which are the investigators of record of the criminal case.

Jackson is the originator of the "strong arm robbery" rhetorical flourish which attempts to compensate for the fact Brown was unarmed at the time (and in fact unarmed all day up to his killing). Chief Jackson thus seeks to make the simple robbery seem to be more severe than it in fact was.

The county will not release the autopsy report of Michael Brown. The upset and protesting public is being kept in the dark about the vital forensics of the killing and of the criminal investigation and case.

Three minutes passed between the initial encounter of Wilson against Brown and Jackson and the time of Brown's death by six gunshot wounds after Wilson engaged in the running multiple discharging of his piece. Cops' reaction times to use their weapons when they feel threatened is two seconds, so officer Wilson begins to look like he was engaged in a thoughtful, considered, time consuming campaign to obliterate the enemy.

The real question in response to the post above is why hasn't officer Wilson been arrested.

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