webfact Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Short deadline for Phuket's Nai Yang Beach businessesThe Phuket NewsOne of the three excavator waits.PHUKET: -- Some 45 businesses -- massage shops, restaurant, bars and shops -- lining the beach at Naiyang have been given until 10:30 this morning (August 19) to show authorities paperwork justifying their existence, or have their premises ripped down.Officials backed by 100 troops, a mixture of Navy Marines and soldiers from the 41st Military Circle in Nakhon Sri Thammarat, are waiting now. So are three large excavators."We have come to check their land titles. If they believe they have a title they should prove it to us," Cdr. Pornprom Sakultem of the Royal Navy Third Naval Area Command told The Phuket News.The owners of the businesses have been given two options:- Agree to have the building removed. The military and the excavators will help, for free. Or they can do it themselves within seven days.- Do nothing, in which case they will be checked for offences against the Forest Act, the Marine Act and the Planning and Building Act. Their tax records will also be checked. If they are found to have contravened any law, the building will be destroyed and they will have to pay the bill for it.The clock is ticking.Source: http://www.thephuketnews.com/short-deadline-for-phukets-nai-yang-beach-businesse-47938.php-- Phuket News 2014-08-19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Living in a cartoon Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I really like Cdr. Pornprom Sakultem. Shock and awe on that stretch of beach this morning. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon43 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I checked out the situation last evening. After about 4 restaurants and 2-storey concrete buildings were demolished a few days ago (at the far end of the beach), many of the shops have been 'packing up'. The wooden structure restaurants have all removed their furniture, the pharmacy has closed, the diving shops are empty, several smaller bars have closed and partly-demolished their buildings. The businesses who seem to be ignoring the army deadline are the half-dozen or so concrete guesthouses which have been built right up to the high water mark. I know some of these business owners, and they have paid millions of baht to build these structures. They are hoping against hope that they will be spared - which is very unlikely. I like the bit about checking tax records..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seabass69 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I like the bit about "the military and the excavators will help, for free" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansgruber Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Tax records. Hahahah. As if they even kept any to have checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelepulse Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I'm in agreement on the tax records. None of these places will have legit records, although a few might have some sort of tax sticker to operate a business, but I doubt any of these establishments have income tax records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brain150 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 People losing their businesses [being run in accordance with the "local rules"] and now standing in front of the ruins of it all .... ... others cheering about it because "it just serves them right" !!! The brainwash goes very deep it seems and thinking about it is obviously strictly forbidden !! A shame what is happening here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hansgruber Posted August 19, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2014 People losing their businesses [being run in accordance with the "local rules"] and now standing in front of the ruins of it all .... ... others cheering about it because "it just serves them right" !!! The brainwash goes very deep it seems and thinking about it is obviously strictly forbidden !! A shame what is happening here. They are encroaching on public land illegally due to years of rampant corruption. They had a good run of lawlessness. Lucky they are allowed to just walk away. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post schlog Posted August 19, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2014 People losing their businesses [being run in accordance with the "local rules"] and now standing in front of the ruins of it all .... ... others cheering about it because "it just serves them right" !!! The brainwash goes very deep it seems and thinking about it is obviously strictly forbidden !! A shame what is happening here. You are a nice funny guy. May you give me your address? Tomorrow i will open a beergarden in your garden, no rent, no tax ........ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brain150 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 People losing their businesses [being run in accordance with the "local rules"] and now standing in front of the ruins of it all .... ... others cheering about it because "it just serves them right" !!! The brainwash goes very deep it seems and thinking about it is obviously strictly forbidden !! A shame what is happening here. They are encroaching on public land illegally due to years of rampant corruption. They had a good run of lawlessness. Lucky they are allowed to just walk away. They were acting according to "local" or "thai" mentality in the boundaries of local law enforcement and administrations !!! This is how it is !!! .... and now they are paying the price, NOT the real responsible ones !!! It is always the public who acts according to local "rules" which are always overruling national laws !!! Sadly the responsible guys just walk away and the ordinary people lose it all. It's even worse that people like you fail to see this simple cause of most suffering in this country. And the way the military acts now will NOT solve any of the existing issues ... just making some suffering people suffer even more [like all the employees making a living there] ... and I am not talking about the few who made the big money ! But about the many who needed the job to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brain150 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) People losing their businesses [being run in accordance with the "local rules"] and now standing in front of the ruins of it all .... ... others cheering about it because "it just serves them right" !!! The brainwash goes very deep it seems and thinking about it is obviously strictly forbidden !! A shame what is happening here. You are a nice funny guy. May you give me your address? Tomorrow i will open a beergarden in your garden, no rent, no tax ........ If you pay me, no problem. That's what these guys did also ... they paid the ones who were in charge ! Government officials, police and local authorities !!! Edited August 19, 2014 by brain150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansgruber Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 That's the price you pay for knowingly break/bend the law. Lay down with dogs and you get up with fleas. These people had no paperwork, who in their right mind would invest millions like that without some paperwork? Greed sure does blind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post simon43 Posted August 19, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2014 They were acting according to "local" or "thai" mentality in the boundaries of local law enforcement and administrations !!! That is bawlox... I live at Nai Yang since 2002. That beach used to be very beautiful, with just a couple of (illegal), wooden restaurants that existed before the tsunami and were rebuilt after it, despite the local OrBorTor insisting that the business owners had no right to build on the beach. Then over the years, the OrBorTor personnel changed, with new people voted in. Suddenly, it was a free-for-all to grab whatever beach land you could to build your business, because all relevant, local authorities were either too scared to oppose the business owners, or had been paid off by them. Everyone knew that the land was public land. Everyone knew that the businesses were illegal. Almost everyone chose to turn a blind eye to the rule of law. Greed and selfishness was the only thing that mattered. The army is doing the job that the local officials failed to do ==> upholding the law. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schlog Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 People losing their businesses [being run in accordance with the "local rules"] and now standing in front of the ruins of it all .... ... others cheering about it because "it just serves them right" !!! The brainwash goes very deep it seems and thinking about it is obviously strictly forbidden !! A shame what is happening here. You are a nice funny guy. May you give me your address? Tomorrow i will open a beergarden in your garden, no rent, no tax ........ If you pay me, no problem. That's what these guys did also ... they paid the ones who were in charge ! Government officials, police and local authorities !!! Incorrect. I pay police or Orbortor guys and you get nothing. This way they play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansgruber Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Army gave them a chance to provide paperwork which would absolve them from being demolished. Nobody had anything to provide. What does that tell you? The local admin aren't stupid enough to implicate themselves in encroachment even if they did permit them 'thai style' Its a risk you take when deals are made with a wai. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi007 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) They were acting according to "local" or "thai" mentality in the boundaries of local law enforcement and administrations !!! That is bawlox... I live at Nai Yang since 2002. That beach used to be very beautiful, with just a couple of (illegal), wooden restaurants that existed before the tsunami and were rebuilt after it, despite the local OrBorTor insisting that the business owners had no right to build on the beach. Then over the years, the OrBorTor personnel changed, with new people voted in. Suddenly, it was a free-for-all to grab whatever beach land you could to build your business, because all relevant, local authorities were either too scared to oppose the business owners, or had been paid off by them. Everyone knew that the land was public land. Everyone knew that the businesses were illegal. Almost everyone chose to turn a blind eye to the rule of law. Greed and selfishness was the only thing that mattered. The army is doing the job that the local officials failed to do ==> upholding the law. I totally agree with you Simon! Edited August 19, 2014 by Jimi007 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeegator Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Tax records. Hahahah. As if they even kept any to have checked. Hahahah. They mean the tax departments records will be checked to see if those individuals paid what they were obligated to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansgruber Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Tax records. Hahahah. As if they even kept any to have checked. Hahahah. They mean the tax departments records will be checked to see if those individuals paid what they were obligated to do. You need a registered business for that. These can't be. You really believe they pay vat, social security etc? What's to check if their is no paperwork to check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 The naysayers claiming that nothing will happen are very silent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 They were acting according to "local" or "thai" mentality in the boundaries of local law enforcement and administrations !!! That is bawlox... I live at Nai Yang since 2002. That beach used to be very beautiful, with just a couple of (illegal), wooden restaurants that existed before the tsunami and were rebuilt after it, despite the local OrBorTor insisting that the business owners had no right to build on the beach. Then over the years, the OrBorTor personnel changed, with new people voted in. Suddenly, it was a free-for-all to grab whatever beach land you could to build your business, because all relevant, local authorities were either too scared to oppose the business owners, or had been paid off by them. Everyone knew that the land was public land. Everyone knew that the businesses were illegal. Almost everyone chose to turn a blind eye to the rule of law. Greed and selfishness was the only thing that mattered. The army is doing the job that the local officials failed to do ==> upholding the law. Aside for the "bolox" statement, you are right on spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango66 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 People losing their businesses [being run in accordance with the "local rules"] and now standing in front of the ruins of it all .... ... others cheering about it because "it just serves them right" !!! The brainwash goes very deep it seems and thinking about it is obviously strictly forbidden !! A shame what is happening here. the right thing is done; My thai family pay tax for any single bottle of alc they sell , so all have to do or risc to get panished; no tears !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Political troll post removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassdude007 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 very interesting day today.... I started my trip a bit north of the bridge and worked my way south till Nai Harn. Amazing to see this beach transformation live... Was at Nai Yang at lunchtime troops with diggers and dump trucks in control of the streets....I think it was Bang tao beach looks the worst like a wave hit it again rubble in the street right up to the Laguna lake Some hotel chain lost all in a day Hope the clean up goes fast and stays clean for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbeam1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I'm in agreement on the tax records. None of these places will have legit records, although a few might have some sort of tax sticker to operate a business, but I doubt any of these establishments have income tax records. Yes the tax records bit is just blackmail. jb1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Watcher Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 ... nope they only paid the people in charge... People losing their businesses [being run in accordance with the "local rules"] and now standing in front of the ruins of it all .... ... others cheering about it because "it just serves them right" !!! The brainwash goes very deep it seems and thinking about it is obviously strictly forbidden !! A shame what is happening here. You are a nice funny guy. May you give me your address? Tomorrow i will open a beergarden in your garden, no rent, no tax ........ If you pay me, no problem. That's what these guys did also ... they paid the ones who were in charge ! Government officials, police and local authorities !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 glassdude007 said"Some hotel chain lost all in a day" What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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