Passport expires during one year retirement visa

[globin]

Anyone able to shed some light on this logic and a solution?

Previously, during my 12 years here, my one year retirement visa was "rolled over" into my new passport at or around the 90 days report period. This time they are claiming my visa has expired on the expiry date of my old passport and I have to apply for another visa outside the country and repeat all the hoops I went through 6 months ago including having a bank deposit for 3 months in the past, when I have already complied with this requirement at the original filing date.

Additionally they claim my embassy issues a document stating my old passport is void, in actuality the embassy stamps the old passport and requests that you enter the new passport number in the stamped area to validate existing work permits or visa's without unnecessary transfer into the new passport.

[lopburi3]

When new passport is issued you visit immigration with both and obtain a new one year extension of stay (you should not need a new visa entry as long as it is done before the current expiration date of extension). But you do not obtain remainder of year extension in a new passport as was previously allowed so you will have to present new proof of meeting retirement financials and your Embassy should issue a curtsy letter to immigration for transfer of current stamps into new passport (this will be your old visa information as well as extension).

[ubonjoe]

You don't have to leave the country to get a visa. You just renew the the shortened extension of stay (it is not a visa) that they gave you because your passport had less than one year of validity when you applied for the new one. New rule started August of last year.

You need a letter from you embassy confirming you got a new passport. They will then transfer your stamps.

You have to have the stamps transferred over.

[12DrinkMore]

Went through this a few months ago.

Previous extension was made up to expiry date of old passport.

Got new passport and took both to immigration.

Transferred all the stamps into new passport showing date of original visa and extensions. No charge.

Added bonus, the extension was entered into the new passport completing the twelve months. So I received the whole 12 month extension, which I had assumed was going to be truncated.

No letter from embassy was required. Can't really see why one would be requested. Had old passport and new passport together, personal details match, it is quite clear that the old passport was about to expire and the new passport will replace it. where on earth is the issue?

[ubonjoe]

You probably got your extension done last year before the new rules came into effect (August 13, 2013).

If you went now with less that a year on your passport your extension would only be valid to the date your passport expires and would have to apply for a new extension when it ends.

[topt]

You probably got your extension done last year before the new rules came into effect (August 13, 2013).

If you went now with less that a year on your passport your extension would only be valid to the date your passport expires and would have to apply for a new extension when it ends.

Apologies to the OP but can I ask how would it work if I have 2 passports both of which do not expire for a few more years. The one with the current extension to stay however is full so when I renew the extension in January I would like to get the new extension in the second passport - would I still need a letter from the embassy?

[ubonjoe]

You probably got your extension done last year before the new rules came into effect (August 13, 2013).

If you went now with less that a year on your passport your extension would only be valid to the date your passport expires and would have to apply for a new extension when it ends.

Apologies to the OP but can I ask how would it work if I have 2 passports both of which do not expire for a few more years. The one with the current extension to stay however is full so when I renew the extension in January I would like to get the new extension in the second passport - would I still need a letter from the embassy?

Having 2 valid passports does not help in this case. Immigration will only transfer the stamps and do the extension in a new passport after the other one has been canceled.

[sgtsabai]

I'm in a similar situation next year. When my renewal for O-A extension comes up I will have about 5 months and 3 weeks left on passport. It seems it would be best to get new passport just before going to immigration and have everything done in new passport, instead of having to go back do the extension again and pay again. I'm not sure they would even give me an extension with less than 6 months. I am right or wrong?

[ubonjoe]

I'm in a similar situation next year. When my renewal for O-A extension comes up I will have about 5 months and 3 weeks left on passport. It seems it would be best to get new passport just before going to immigration and have everything done in new passport, instead of having to go back do the extension again and pay again. I'm not sure they would even give me an extension with less than 6 months. I am right or wrong?

They would do the extension but you would have to go back in just few months to get a new extension.

It would certainly be best to get a new passport before applying for your extension.

Many countries recommend you apply for new passport when you only have 9 months left on it. The UK even gives back those 9 months on the new one.

[Tywais]

I'm in a similar situation next year. When my renewal for O-A extension comes up I will have about 5 months and 3 weeks left on passport. It seems it would be best to get new passport just before going to immigration and have everything done in new passport, instead of having to go back do the extension again and pay again. I'm not sure they would even give me an extension with less than 6 months. I am right or wrong?

I had a similar situation. My extension expires at the end of September and my passport expires February next year. So to keep things simple and stress free obtained a new passport and had my current extension information transferred to it. So highly recommend getting a new passport first before your extension comes up.

[topt]

You probably got your extension done last year before the new rules came into effect (August 13, 2013).

If you went now with less that a year on your passport your extension would only be valid to the date your passport expires and would have to apply for a new extension when it ends.

Apologies to the OP but can I ask how would it work if I have 2 passports both of which do not expire for a few more years. The one with the current extension to stay however is full so when I renew the extension in January I would like to get the new extension in the second passport - would I still need a letter from the embassy?

Having 2 valid passports does not help in this case. Immigration will only transfer the stamps and do the extension in a new passport after the other one has been canceled.

Sorry Ubonjoe but do you mean after the extension has been cancelled or the passport?

[ubonjoe]

Apologies to the OP but can I ask how would it work if I have 2 passports both of which do not expire for a few more years. The one with the current extension to stay however is full so when I renew the extension in January I would like to get the new extension in the second passport - would I still need a letter from the embassy?

Having 2 valid passports does not help in this case. Immigration will only transfer the stamps and do the extension in a new passport after the other one has been canceled.

Sorry Ubonjoe but do you mean after the extension has been cancelled or the passport?

Your passport. Immigration will not transfer stamps between two valid passports.

[Keesters]

Went through this a few months ago.

Previous extension was made up to expiry date of old passport.

Got new passport and took both to immigration.

Transferred all the stamps into new passport showing date of original visa and extensions. No charge.

Added bonus, the extension was entered into the new passport completing the twelve months. So I received the whole 12 month extension, which I had assumed was going to be truncated.

No letter from embassy was required. Can't really see why one would be requested. Had old passport and new passport together, personal details match, it is quite clear that the old passport was about to expire and the new passport will replace it. where on earth is the issue?

Yes this is EXACTLY what happened to me. Chonburi (Pattaya/Jomtien) immigration. Easy as pie. And I was told what to do and what will happen when the first 8 months of the 12 months was stamped in the, what was to become, old passport.

[topt]

Apologies to the OP but can I ask how would it work if I have 2 passports both of which do not expire for a few more years. The one with the current extension to stay however is full so when I renew the extension in January I would like to get the new extension in the second passport - would I still need a letter from the embassy?

Having 2 valid passports does not help in this case. Immigration will only transfer the stamps and do the extension in a new passport after the other one has been canceled.

Sorry Ubonjoe but do you mean after the extension has been cancelled or the passport?

Your passport. Immigration will not transfer stamps between two valid passports.

Would this apply as I am only planning to do this when I renew so not actually transferring - or do you mean the original Non O stamp? I have just under a page left in the one passport so no room for the next extension but about 6 in the other which I was hoping to use up?

[Kerryd]

I will have to renew my passport in November though it (and my extension) expire in early June, due to travel requirements (having to have 6 months + validity remaining, etc, etc.).

So, assuming I get my new Canuck passport in late Nov/early Dec, I would just take it (and the "cancelled" one) to Immigration and ask to have the extension (and multi-entry permit) transferred to the new passport ?

No need for additional paperwork (like a letter from the bank regarding sufficient "seasoned" funds) ? It wouldn't matter to me if they only stamped my extension (in the new passport) valid until the June date (previously the expiry date was late July). Might have to juggle a holiday around next year or something but it's doable.

As for additional paperwork, it wouldn't be a problem (the money has been in the bank for years) - I'd just like to make sure I'm prepared and only have to make one trip instead of 2, 3, 4 or more ! Besides, I'll have between 10-12 days from the time I apply for a new passport until it arrives at the embassy (unless they've sped things up in the last 9 years) so I'd have time to gather any other documentation required.

[quandow]

DON'T FORGET TO STAPLE THE DEPARTURE CARD BACK INTO THE NEW PASSPORT!!! Sorry for shouting but I got nailed for that. It didn't cost me anything, but I was flying out of Thailand for a short trip and immigration just had a FIT about it! After huffing and puffing and scolding me with their evil eyes, they just got a blank one, had me fill it out, and stapled it in. Given the current passport atmosphere, they might not be as gentle right now!

[ubonjoe]

Having 2 valid passports does not help in this case. Immigration will only transfer the stamps and do the extension in a new passport after the other one has been canceled.

Sorry Ubonjoe but do you mean after the extension has been cancelled or the passport?

Your passport. Immigration will not transfer stamps between two valid passports.

Would this apply as I am only planning to do this when I renew so not actually transferring - or do you mean the original Non O stamp? I have just under a page left in the one passport so no room for the next extension but about 6 in the other which I was hoping to use up?

In order to do the extension they need to transfer the info for the visa entry you have been extending and your current extension. They will not do this if you have 2 valid passports.

You might be able to apply to renew your passport and ask your embassy to cancel it and give you a letter explaining that your other passport is valid.

[Suradit69]

I'm in a similar situation next year. When my renewal for O-A extension comes up I will have about 5 months and 3 weeks left on passport. It seems it would be best to get new passport just before going to immigration and have everything done in new passport, instead of having to go back do the extension again and pay again. I'm not sure they would even give me an extension with less than 6 months. I am right or wrong?

There is no O-A extension, it's an extension of stay you want. The O-A, if you still have a valid one, was issued by an embassy or consulate outside of Thailand. The extensions of stay are granted by immigrations inside Thailand.

My passport was going to expire next year in June. My extension of stay will expire in January. If I did the extension in January with that old passport, the extension would only be valid to June when I would need a new passport and have to apply again for an extension of stay.

So last month I applied for and got a new US passport that is valid for another ten years. Went to Immigrations with the two passports and the application to transfer the needed stamps (visas do not get transferred, ever, only relevant information placed in hand stamps).

Now when I go in for my next extension of stay, since my current passport is good for years to come, I will get the full year extension, not just until the following June.

New American passports can be applied for and received in under two weeks. Some nationals, including the British, need to allow months to pass between application and receipt, which should be taken into consideration or you may find yourself with an expiring permission to stay and no valid passport.

You can apply for a new US passport whenever, so there's no need to wait for it to be on the verge of expiration. I have no idea what rules apply for the British or others and, judging from the numerous threads on the subject, neither do they.

[12DrinkMore]

You probably got your extension done last year before the new rules came into effect (August 13, 2013).

If you went now with less that a year on your passport your extension would only be valid to the date your passport expires and would have to apply for a new extension when it ends.

Nope, All this year.

Passport expired in February.

Extension was valid until then.

Got new passport.

Extension transferred and extended until June, which would have been the end of the 12 months.

I was fully expecting to have to apply for a new 12 month extension as of February and had the funds already on deposit three months.

But no! Extended until June and no charge!

[ubonjoe]

You probably got your extension done last year before the new rules came into effect (August 13, 2013).

If you went now with less that a year on your passport your extension would only be valid to the date your passport expires and would have to apply for a new extension when it ends.

Nope, All this year.

Passport expired in February.

Extension was valid until then.

Got new passport.

Extension transferred and extended until June, which would have been the end of the 12 months.

I was fully expecting to have to apply for a new 12 month extension as of February and had the funds already on deposit three months.

But no! Extended until June and no charge!

You did your extension in June of last year which was before the change in August of last year. That is why you got the remainder of your extension.

[biplanebluey]

Went through this a few months ago.

Previous extension was made up to expiry date of old passport.

Got new passport and took both to immigration.

Transferred all the stamps into new passport showing date of original visa and extensions. No charge.

Added bonus, the extension was entered into the new passport completing the twelve months. So I received the whole 12 month extension, which I had assumed was going to be truncated.

No letter from embassy was required. Can't really see why one would be requested. Had old passport and new passport together, personal details match, it is quite clear that the old passport was about to expire and the new passport will replace it. where on earth is the issue?

I did the exact same thing at the end of July.My only addition is that my embassy when sending me the new passport automatically send a notification for immigration to request passing all over to this new PP. Absolutely no problems for me,everything transferred over to new passport,one year extension granted,in and out in about 15 mins, but then to be fair, I am in Udon Thani and I have said it before and I will say it again,UDON THANI IS No1.They are so friendly and happy,I enjoy going there ---Dougal

[sgtsabai]

I understand the extension of stay, been doing them for years. I do understand the difference. The O-A was the original visa done back in the states, it finished after one year. If you do new passport when Embassy outreach is in town, about 10 days/2 weeks return and easier I think than doing the mail from this end. If they come back in April again next year it will fit right in with my time schedule. Certainly agree with Udonthani immigration, good people there, hope it stays that way.

[ggt]

I love Thai Immigration...You can receive a different requirement from each person you deal with...go with the flow...

[samran]

This is the first I've heard of this.

My wife's non O extension (Thai spouse) was put in last week. It is under conseration for the next month.

He passport expires in March 2015.

Say we got her a new passport between now and next month when we receive a 'decision' on her new extension, can we even do that so we get a full one year extension?

[ubonjoe]

This is the first I've heard of this.

My wife's non O extension (Thai spouse) was put in last week. It is under conseration for the next month.

He passport expires in March 2015.

Say we got her a new passport between now and next month when we receive a 'decision' on her new extension, can we even do that so we get a full one year extension?

If you can get the new passport before they do the extension stamp she should get a full year.

I am surprised they did not mention it when you she applied.

Be sure you get a letter from the embassy if she gets a new passport. CW will want it to do the stamp transfer.

[Mario2008]

This is the first I've heard of this.

My wife's non O extension (Thai spouse) was put in last week. It is under conseration for the next month.

He passport expires in March 2015.

Say we got her a new passport between now and next month when we receive a 'decision' on her new extension, can we even do that so we get a full one year extension?

You can certainly try, but the answer to your question is unknown to me.

[Eneukman]

This is a potential problem that I'll have in a few years time. My current extension expires in August but my passport expires in April. So if I understand the position correctly, then when I apply for a new extension in August, I will only be given permission to stay until April when my passport expires. Is there a maximum time before my passport expires that I can obtain a new one (from the UK)? It would be a lot easier if I could obtain a new passport 12 - 15 months before the old one expires especially as I don't do a lot of travelling in the first few months of the year.

It would a lot easier if the UK government were to start issuing passports from the embassy in Bangkok but I don't see that happening any time soon.

Alan

[ubonjoe]

This is a potential problem that I'll have in a few years time. My current extension expires in August but my passport expires in April. So if I understand the position correctly, then when I apply for a new extension in August, I will only be given permission to stay until April when my passport expires. Is there a maximum time before my passport expires that I can obtain a new one (from the UK)? It would be a lot easier if I could obtain a new passport 12 - 15 months before the old one expires especially as I don't do a lot of travelling in the first few months of the year.

It would a lot easier if the UK government were to start issuing passports from the embassy in Bangkok but I don't see that happening any time soon.

Alan

Correct. Your extension will only be valid to the date your passport expires.

There is no limit on how early you can renew your passport. You will get up to 9 months from your old passports validity added to your new one.

[thailand49]

When new passport is issued you visit immigration with both and obtain a new one year extension of stay (you should not need a new visa entry as long as it is done before the current expiration date of extension). But you do not obtain remainder of year extension in a new passport as was previously allowed so you will have to present new proof of meeting retirement financials and your Embassy should issue a curtsy letter to immigration for transfer of current stamps into new passport (this will be your old visa information as well as extension).

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Here is my situation, recently I went to Chon Buri Immigration and got this answer from the foreign volunteer who help out. I was told when I go to the U.S. Embassy and get a new passport to ask them for a letter stating to roll over my stamps etc.. to my new passport? so when I come back Immigration will do just that?

My retirement visa is expires on Feb 20th of each year, current stamp Feb 20, 2014 thru Feb 20, 2015, usually I go in 30 days prior to renew each year. My passport expires on August 8th, 2015, like to stay on top and do everything early so I have made a appointment to renew my passport on the Oct 1st, 2014 at the Embassy.

So based on what you wrote, when I return with my new and old passport with letter from Embassy the Immigration at Chon Buri will roll over whatever is necessary from old to new?

You wrote " but you do not obtain remainder of year extension " confused? Does this mean if I go back to the Immigration to rolled over on the 15th of October, they will roll over and now I have to applied again for stay from the 15th of October to the 20th of Feb 20th, 2015? And then apply again from Feb 20th, 2015 to Feb 20th, of 2016?

This is how I am comprehending your statement which seems to be a overkill but anything is possible in Thailand.

I was told and heard from others,, once I get my new passport with letter, go back get the rollover which is all free and not have to go back again unless I need to report 90 days and do my same routine as I have been doing year after year and get my Bank letter for saving and Income letter from my embassy etc. etc.. and renew 30 days ( January 20, 2015 ) prior to expiration.

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[ubonjoe]

Lopburi3 was replying to the OP whose extension was already shortened because of passport validity.

In your case they will transfer your visa info and current extension to the new passport, Your extension's date will not be changed.