Calculating the impact of job loses in Phuket

[grumpyoldman]

People will still eat but at legal places ,so jobs created there,taxes paid and less scams ,only the illegal places closed ,if you had a legall restaurant you would be happy

If you are rich and own your restaurant then yipee. However, about 12 old tin money families own ALL of phuket. So the rich are indeed rubbing their hands together and the poor, well their aspirations of self employment have been gutted and back on to the 300THB day wage is their only option now. Oh...except the rich will use Burmese staff at 150THB a day...so actually the poor Thais have no option. Stay in Phuket and starve, or go back to the provinces and starve. Oh well, at least in Phuket they can starve while looking at a clean beach.

Bangtao Boy and Eblair, you guys just aren't getting it are you. First off "losses" o.k. Maybe you can get a mod to adjust that.

These "poor folks" you are sooooo worried about will have new jobs under new rules, under people running businesses LEGALLY.......HELLO!!! Also, coming into high season all of the resorts need staff, I can tell you personally I lose staff to job jumping next month every year. So many jobs not enough people.

So please stop with your drumbeats, you are not seeing the forest through the trees.This adjustment was absolutely necessary for the longterm good, please see that beyond your "job losses" concerns.

These recycled doomsayers don't give a stuff about a few Thais or Burmese temporarily out of work.

These whining threads are really just their way of expressing their political agendas without breaking rules.

Point understood OC, but how can you have a "political agenda" if you are a foreigner with no impact on politics?

The same couple posters to me, just seem to be coming off as dim bulbs, really.

[Guest]

These recycled doomsayers don't give a stuff about a few Thais or Burmese temporarily out of work.

These whining threads are really just their way of expressing their political agendas without breaking rules.

Point understood OC, but how can you have a "political agenda" if you are a foreigner with no impact on politics?

The same couple posters to me, just seem to be coming off as dim bulbs, really.

Imho not political. Mixture of trolling and the almighty righteous feeling. I think BTB is full blown troll, another one is more genuine and frustrated with a touch of "Everything should go as I want".

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html

[Old Croc]

Point understood OC, but how can you have a "political agenda" if you are a foreigner with no impact on politics?

The same couple posters to me, just seem to be coming off as dim bulbs, really.

You can have an agenda, and an impact, if you use social media to push one side and denigrate another.

It's become a major political tactic in countries such as the US and Australia.

Even though foreigners can't become directly involved in politics here, it's quite clear that many are very passionate about it. Read the threads in General forum over the last few years. And I recall seeing foreign idiots up on stage at rallies a few years ago.

I can't understand why anyone would want to become involved in the chaos that passes for system here, but many do just that.

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I also keep an eye out for articles talking about a roaring trade at the Thai porn shops

I think you meant pawn shops, but great Freudian slip

[PattayaPhom]

And all the customers from these businesses will go elsewhere, thus creating the equivalent amount of jobs. So no real problem.

[modafinil]

The majority of Thais working in Phuket are not FROM Phuket.

They have come here for the chance to earn extra money, but they do not consider Phuket to be their home, and take regular vacations in their home province.

If the money dries up for whatever reason, these workers will simply go home to Nakhorn Si Thammarat or Trang. The idea that Thai workers are going to transform into thieves and drug addicts is disgraceful, borderline racist even. If you have such a low opinion of Thai people, you should go back to your home country - Thailand will be a happier place without you.

[Chainsaw]

People will still eat but at legal places ,so jobs created there,taxes paid and less scams ,only the illegal places closed ,if you had a legall restaurant you would be happy

If you are rich and own your restaurant then yipee. However, about 12 old tin money families own ALL of phuket. So the rich are indeed rubbing their hands together and the poor, well their aspirations of self employment have been gutted and back on to the 300THB day wage is their only option now. Oh...except the rich will use Burmese staff at 150THB a day...so actually the poor Thais have no option. Stay in Phuket and starve, or go back to the provinces and starve. Oh well, at least in Phuket they can starve while looking at a clean beach.

Do you really think people are going to starve or are you just being a drama queen trying (and failing) to justify your 'class war' nonsense?

Edited August 23, 2014 by Chainsaw

[KarenBravo]

The majority of Thais working in Phuket are not FROM Phuket.

They have come here for the chance to earn extra money, but they do not consider Phuket to be their home, and take regular vacations in their home province.

If the money dries up for whatever reason, these workers will simply go home to Nakhorn Si Thammarat or Trang. The idea that Thai workers are going to transform into thieves and drug addicts is disgraceful, borderline racist even. If you have such a low opinion of Thai people, you should go back to your home country - Thailand will be a happier place without you.

I guess you didn't read the article where the jet-ski bosses on Phuket said that they should continue working on the beaches because if they didn't pay the jet-ski boys every day, he was afraid they would turn to crime. That was from a Thai.

As for the lame "you should go back to your own country", I'll respond by saying if you don't like other people's opinions on Thai Visa, don't come to this site.

At least you'll be able to keep those rosy-tinted glasses.

[stevenl]

The majority of Thais working in Phuket are not FROM Phuket.

They have come here for the chance to earn extra money, but they do not consider Phuket to be their home, and take regular vacations in their home province.

If the money dries up for whatever reason, these workers will simply go home to Nakhorn Si Thammarat or Trang. The idea that Thai workers are going to transform into thieves and drug addicts is disgraceful, borderline racist even. If you have such a low opinion of Thai people, you should go back to your home country - Thailand will be a happier place without you.

I guess you didn't read the article where the jet-ski bosses on Phuket said that they should continue working on the beaches because if they didn't pay the jet-ski boys every day, he was afraid they would turn to crime. That was from a Thai.

As for the lame "you should go back to your own country", I'll respond by saying if you don't like other people's opinions on Thai Visa, don't come to this site.

At least you'll be able to keep those rosy-tinted glasses.

Agree with your latter comment.

But of course the jet ski boss is going to say anything to keep his business going.

[Bulldozer Dawn]

The majority of Thais working in Phuket are not FROM Phuket.

They have come here for the chance to earn extra money, but they do not consider Phuket to be their home, and take regular vacations in their home province.

If the money dries up for whatever reason, these workers will simply go home to Nakhorn Si Thammarat or Trang. The idea that Thai workers are going to transform into thieves and drug addicts is disgraceful, borderline racist even. If you have such a low opinion of Thai people, you should go back to your home country - Thailand will be a happier place without you.

I guess you didn't read the article where the jet-ski bosses on Phuket said that they should continue working on the beaches because if they didn't pay the jet-ski boys every day, he was afraid they would turn to crime. That was from a Thai.

As for the lame "you should go back to your own country", I'll respond by saying if you don't like other people's opinions on Thai Visa, don't come to this site.

At least you'll be able to keep those rosy-tinted glasses.

Thanks for posting that reference to the Jet Ski article. However, the newspaper reporter misquoted the Thai jet ski operator. His exact words were:

...if they didn't pay the jet ski boys every day to scam renters, he was afraid they would turn to other crime.

[EBlair48]

People will still eat but at legal places ,so jobs created there,taxes paid and less scams ,only the illegal places closed ,if you had a legall restaurant you would be happy

If you are rich and own your restaurant then yipee. However, about 12 old tin money families own ALL of phuket. So the rich are indeed rubbing their hands together and the poor, well their aspirations of self employment have been gutted and back on to the 300THB day wage is their only option now. Oh...except the rich will use Burmese staff at 150THB a day...so actually the poor Thais have no option. Stay in Phuket and starve, or go back to the provinces and starve. Oh well, at least in Phuket they can starve while looking at a clean beach.

Do you really think people are going to starve or are you just being a drama queen trying (and failing) to justify your 'class war' nonsense?

Most humans will turn to stealing food, or money to buy food instead of starving. Nationality ( or race) really has little to do with it.

It has been mentioned these Thais are not from Phuket ( as if they have no right to choose where to live) and can go home. Go home to what jobs? 300 baht for 10 hour labor?

What has happened is the working class has been cut out of tourism profits and only the connected elite are to take share.

[EBlair48]

Thanks for posting that reference to the Jet Ski article. However, the newspaper reporter misquoted the Thai jet ski operator. His exact words were:

...if they didn't pay the jet ski boys every day to scam renters, he was afraid they would turn to other crime.

And why are the Jet Skis still operating on the beach on Patong? Does someone influential own them or just get a cut?

[NamKangMan]

I note there have been a couple of arrests of loan sharks recently.

These arrests are quite rare, but it did make me wonder if these couple of arrests were the result of a big increase in people borrowing, out of financial desperation, due to their loss of employment.

I have no evidence to back this up - it was just a thought.

I notice those articles also. I think that loan shark activity is as probably as good a financial bellweather as one may find in Phuket. NKM, what say you and I also keep an eye out for articles talking about a roaring trade at the Thai porn shops such as the one at Chern Talay. That would also be a good indicator that workaday Thais are doing it tough in Phuket.

The first thing usually to be sold off is gold. I think the gold shops will be seeing an increase in business.

[Bulldozer Dawn]

I note there have been a couple of arrests of loan sharks recently.

These arrests are quite rare, but it did make me wonder if these couple of arrests were the result of a big increase in people borrowing, out of financial desperation, due to their loss of employment.

I have no evidence to back this up - it was just a thought.

I notice those articles also. I think that loan shark activity is as probably as good a financial bellweather as one may find in Phuket. NKM, what say you and I also keep an eye out for articles talking about a roaring trade at the Thai porn shops such as the one at Chern Talay. That would also be a good indicator that workaday Thais are doing it tough in Phuket.

The first thing usually to be sold off is gold. I think the gold shops will be seeing an increase in business.

Head over to the pawn shop sometime at Chern Talay. It is located on the left just up past the Krungsri bank, but before the temple, as you ride to Ban Manik from Surin. It is a gold shop. There are a few other bits and worthless pieces in there but the core trade is gold. It is a government run shop with a limit on the interest charged to the pawners. It is always pack out to the street with Thais just prior to the start of school each year.

[Bulldozer Dawn]

People will still eat but at legal places ,so jobs created there,taxes paid and less scams ,only the illegal places closed ,if you had a legall restaurant you would be happy

If you are rich and own your restaurant then yipee. However, about 12 old tin money families own ALL of phuket. So the rich are indeed rubbing their hands together and the poor, well their aspirations of self employment have been gutted and back on to the 300THB day wage is their only option now. Oh...except the rich will use Burmese staff at 150THB a day...so actually the poor Thais have no option. Stay in Phuket and starve, or go back to the provinces and starve. Oh well, at least in Phuket they can starve while looking at a clean beach.

Do you really think people are going to starve or are you just being a drama queen trying (and failing) to justify your 'class war' nonsense?

Most humans will turn to stealing food, or money to buy food instead of starving. Nationality ( or race) really has little to do with it.

It has been mentioned these Thais are not from Phuket ( as if they have no right to choose where to live) and can go home. Go home to what jobs? 300 baht for 10 hour labor?

What has happened is the working class has been cut out of tourism profits and only the connected elite are to take share.

Yep...it never ceases to amaze me how deluded some of the poster on here are. As if, some Thai punter is sitting in Nakon Nowhere and says to the wife, Hey Nok, lets relocate to Phuket, I hear the beaches are nice there this time of year. If...and its a big if...tourist visitation numbers return back to levels experienced in previous high seasons, the net result of the clearance of beach vendors...and tuk tuk and black taxis...is that all of that income will now be channelled back to the elite via property rental fees. EB is 100 percent correct in stating that working class Thais have now been cut out of toursim profits in Phuket.

[EBlair48]

^Some are resorting to personal attacks now, always a sign their argument is weak.

[KarenBravo]

^Some are resorting to personal attacks now, always a sign their argument is weak.

No.....a sure sign people have had enough of you flogging a dead horse on a subject that it is far too soon to make any sensible conclusions.

You're actually getting more tedious than NKM and the public transport situation..............and that is really saying something.

Edited August 23, 2014 by KarenBravo

[EBlair48]

^Some are resorting to personal attacks now, always a sign their argument is weak.

No.....a sure sign people have had enough of you flogging a dead horse on a subject that it is far too soon to make any sensible conclusions.

You're actually getting more tedious than NKM and the public transport situation..............and that is really saying something.

As long as others wish to argue with me on the subject, I shall continue my postings. Please scroll past if you are annoyed to a point you become abusive.

Are you worried I may convince others of my point and that is what is actually annoying you ?

[stevenl]

^Some are resorting to personal attacks now, always a sign their argument is weak.

No.....a sure sign people have had enough of you flogging a dead horse on a subject that it is far too soon to make any sensible conclusions.

You're actually getting more tedious than NKM and the public transport situation..............and that is really saying something.

Yes, it would be hard to make a decision between the 3.

[KarenBravo]

^Some are resorting to personal attacks now, always a sign their argument is weak.

No.....a sure sign people have had enough of you flogging a dead horse on a subject that it is far too soon to make any sensible conclusions.

You're actually getting more tedious than NKM and the public transport situation..............and that is really saying something.

As long as others wish to argue with me on the subject, I shall continue my postings. Please scroll past if you are annoyed to a point you become abusive.

Are you worried I may convince others of my point and that is what is actually annoying you ?

Seems to me it's just you and BulldozerDawn, a poster very familiar to most of us on here when he went by another name.

Don't think you're getting many converts to your "Class War" theory.

Mainly because it's cobblers.

[LivinginKata]

More off topic posts removed.

[Valentine]

^Some are resorting to personal attacks now, always a sign their argument is weak.

No.....a sure sign people have had enough of you flogging a dead horse on a subject that it is far too soon to make any sensible conclusions.

You're actually getting more tedious than NKM and the public transport situation..............and that is really saying something.

As long as others wish to argue with me on the subject, I shall continue my postings. Please scroll past if you are annoyed to a point you become abusive.

Are you worried I may convince others of my point and that is what is actually annoying you ?

Seems to me it's just you and BulldozerDawn, a poster very familiar to most of us on here when he went by another name.

Don't think you're getting many converts to your "Class War" theory.

Mainly because it's cobblers.

Where is McCarthy when you need him?

[Chainsaw]

People will still eat but at legal places ,so jobs created there,taxes paid and less scams ,only the illegal places closed ,if you had a legall restaurant you would be happy

If you are rich and own your restaurant then yipee. However, about 12 old tin money families own ALL of phuket. So the rich are indeed rubbing their hands together and the poor, well their aspirations of self employment have been gutted and back on to the 300THB day wage is their only option now. Oh...except the rich will use Burmese staff at 150THB a day...so actually the poor Thais have no option. Stay in Phuket and starve, or go back to the provinces and starve. Oh well, at least in Phuket they can starve while looking at a clean beach.

Do you really think people are going to starve or are you just being a drama queen trying (and failing) to justify your 'class war' nonsense?

Most humans will turn to stealing food, or money to buy food instead of starving. Nationality ( or race) really has little to do with it.

It has been mentioned these Thais are not from Phuket ( as if they have no right to choose where to live) and can go home. Go home to what jobs? 300 baht for 10 hour labor?

What has happened is the working class has been cut out of tourism profits and only the connected elite are to take share.

Take a look around you BD, nobody needs to steal food or money to eat here in the tropics, food grows everywhere! Bananas, coconuts, jack fruit, mangoes, papaya etc.

Then there are frogs, lizards, snakes bugs etc. all considered to be delicacies here in S.E. Asia. My wife regularly collects Morning Glory and other plants to make a meal. Seafood is there for the catching.

My point - nobody is starving!

Do you even live in Thailand? I ask because you don't seem to have any idea of the realities of living here.

[EBlair48]

^ Good grief are you serious? You suggest grubbing for lizards makes up for losing a well paying job that afforded one independence and a chance for saving money for future endeavors.

[Bulldozer Dawn]

Take a look around you BD, nobody needs to steal food or money to eat here in the tropics, food grows everywhere! Bananas, coconuts, jack fruit, mangoes, papaya etc.

Then there are frogs, lizards, snakes bugs etc. all considered to be delicacies here in S.E. Asia. My wife regularly collects Morning Glory and other plants to make a meal. Seafood is there for the catching.

My point - nobody is starving!

Do you even live in Thailand? I ask because you don't seem to have any idea of the realities of living here.

Wow..what a genius you are. Pray tell where are all these hunter gather opportunities in Phuket. Seafood is there for the catching....LOL...that is why 90 percent of the catch displayed in front of restaurants in Patong is farmed. And tell me more oh sage...where do these hunter gathers get money to pay for the kids schooling? So the reality for you of living in Thailand is wandering through a garden of Eden, plucking ripe fruit at your leisure to eat. Being able to steal an occasional roadside papaya does not feed a family you numptie.

[steelepulse]

To keep BD/BTB and Eblair48 in the loop, There have been many reports in other news outlets reporting that all of those that lost jobs will have help to find new jobs, and or assistance. BTW BD/BTB, parents don't have to pay for school, as the gov't covers the cost.

[Chainsaw]

Take a look around you BD, nobody needs to steal food or money to eat here in the tropics, food grows everywhere! Bananas, coconuts, jack fruit, mangoes, papaya etc.

Then there are frogs, lizards, snakes bugs etc. all considered to be delicacies here in S.E. Asia. My wife regularly collects Morning Glory and other plants to make a meal. Seafood is there for the catching.

My point - nobody is starving!

Do you even live in Thailand? I ask because you don't seem to have any idea of the realities of living here.

Wow..what a genius you are. Pray tell where are all these hunter gather opportunities in Phuket. Seafood is there for the catching....LOL...that is why 90 percent of the catch displayed in front of restaurants in Patong is farmed. And tell me more oh sage...where do these hunter gathers get money to pay for the kids schooling? So the reality for you of living in Thailand is wandering through a garden of Eden, plucking ripe fruit at your leisure to eat. Being able to steal an occasional roadside papaya does not feed a family you numptie.

As usual, diversion tactics.

My point was nobody will starve or needs to steal to eat as you so dramatically suggested. State education is free. I wonder why the fishing boats bother going out to sea if, as you say, 90% of the fish is farmed. (Where did you get that information from?) Many Thais go fishing here in the lakes and the sea, as I do sometimes.

I'm convinced that you don't live in Thailand, and probably have never been here as you seem to have no idea of the reality of living here.

You really are making yourself look ridiculous trying to paint a picture of Phuket which only exists in your own biased mind.

Do try to calm down and stop making up false statistics to justify your nonsense class war agenda.

[EBlair48]

^^

Thanks but we aren't out of the loop.

When I see those new jobs materialize..... RE Education fees Parents still have to pay for uniforms and the the other side costs

BTW I am loving the latest on the in out visa runner rules now to be relaxed... as I have written, some rules to be enforced others not -right out of the horse's mouth !!

I just posted on the where to eat on the beach thread , a possible reason for this discussion divide is Bang Tao beach was never over run with loungers, only the resorts and restaurants had them out, only a row and many parts were empty so it never seemed crowded., the south beaches were inundated, the more northerly were not. What was an improvement for the south has devastated the north.

Edited August 24, 2014 by EBlair48

[Bulldozer Dawn]

To keep BD/BTB and Eblair48 in the loop, There have been many reports in other news outlets reporting that all of those that lost jobs will have help to find new jobs, and or assistance. BTW BD/BTB, parents don't have to pay for school, as the gov't covers the cost.

Your're joking right...do I really have to google and paste here all of the links to the articles from the Phuket gazette that appear every year at the commencement of school showing the masses of Thais crowding the Government pawn shops using their gold jewelry to borrow money. Jeesuz.

[Chainsaw]

^Some are resorting to personal attacks now, always a sign their argument is weak.

Yes I agree, have a word with your buddy BD, he seems to be a tad miffed as he's started name calling now.