Giving raw bone to dog - Problem?

[Daffy D]

Makro sell some cheap bones that look just like the typical cartoon bone.

We get occasionally some of these bones for the dogs which keeps them happily occupied for hours.

We always boil them up first but was wondering if it was alright to let the dogs have them raw.

The dogs nothing special just your regular Thai mutt and on the streets they would be eating all kind of rubbish without ill effect, so I'm guessing uncooked bones would not be a problem.

Thoughts

[willyumiii]

As you said, Thai muts, or soi dogs eat anything they find and get by.

Do dogs in the wild have the animals they kill to eat cooked for them???

Do they eat the bones too?

I remember when I lived in the states people swore that

"you should never let your dogs eat chicken bones, the broken bones will cut up their insides and kill them!"

I think the diet of most dogs in Thailand ( real dogs, not farang dogs) is at least 75% chicken bones!

They seem to be about as healthy as a street dog with no care can be!

​If you don't have too much invested in the mut....financially or emotionally, I say Throw him a bone!

Uncooked.!

[doggie888888]

Try googling "raw food diet for dogs ".

It is best to give raw bones and not cooked. I know several dog owners who choose the raw food diet for their dogs, and they eat chicken, duck, pork, fish (truly!) and other raw organs. All must be fit for human consumption, not rejects.

[wayned]

It's actually best to give them raw bones. When you cook them they get brittle and splinter when they chew them. Eating the sharp splinters is not good for them. NEVER give them chicken bones, raw or cooked.

[willyumiii]

It's actually best to give them raw bones. When you cook them they get brittle and splinter when they chew them. Eating the sharp splinters is not good for them. NEVER give them chicken bones, raw or cooked.

As stated in an earlier post:

if chicken bones were harmful, there would be no dogs left in Thailand.

Most Thais never buy dog food.

Dogs live off of table scraps and garbage here.

Chicken and pork are the most often eaten meats here and chicken bones are a HUGE part of a dogs diet!

[Tywais]

From the RSCPA More info at the link

• Always check with your vet first that raw meaty bones are suitable for your particular dog (e.g. some dogs with misshapen jaws or dental disease may find chewing on raw bones difficult)
• Choose human-grade raw meat and raw meaty bones because some pet meat/pet mince/pet rolls/pet meat and bone products can contain preservatives that can be detrimental to the dog's health (e.g. sulphite preservative induced thiamine deficiency which can be fatal). However avoid sausages, sausage meat and cooked manufactured meats as they can contain sulphites.
• Bones must be raw
• Raw meaty bones such as raw lamb ribs (not lamb chops though), raw lamb flaps and raw chicken wings provide several important health benefits including keeping teeth and gums healthy
• Too many raw bones may lead to constipation. Generally 1-2 raw bones may be offered per week with a few days in between each serving
• The bone must be large enough so that the dog cannot fit the whole bone in its mouth or swallow the bone whole
• Never feed cooked bones as these can splinter and cause internal damage or become an intestinal obstruction
• Always supervise dogs when they are eating raw bones
• Dogs ‘like’ bones very much and sometimes become protective. Do take care and discourage young children and others from approaching dogs that are eating.
• Avoid large marrow bones (these have very thick outer rims), T-bones, 'chop' bones e.g. lamb cutlets, large knuckle bones and bones sawn lengthwise (as done by some butchers) as dogs may crack their teeth on these

• Dogs may be offered fish such as tinned sardines in springwater, tinned tuna and tinned salmon as a treat occasionally (care with any fish bones). Please avoid feeding fish constantly
• Dogs may also be offered a small amount of cooked vegetables e.g. pumpkin, carrots etc
• Cooked meat such as boiled chicken or lamb may also be offered but ensure there are no cooked bones; onions/onion sauces or other toxic substances present (see below)

[Chicken George]

Raw is better.

[AyG]

Personally I freeze them for a few hours to kill off any parasites, then give them to my dog raw (and still frozen). He absolutely loves them.

[dotpoom]

"you should never let your dogs eat chicken bones, the broken bones will cut up their insides and kill them!"

What I was told was that the sharp needle like shreds can pierce the roof of their mouths.

[Daffy D]

Raw it is then

Thanks

[shaurene]

Chicken bones can be bad and lamb bones they splinter and can get lodged in the throat and tummy, the large beef bones are good for them to get the jelly out of the middle.

[soalbundy]

you shouldn't give dogs raw pork,some pork has a bacteria which will kill a dog within hours. i buy raw beef bones for my dog and/or cook pork bones.

[Keesters]

My Labrador eats them macro bones raw and she has yet to have a problem. I do keep my eye on her while she has one and always remove any leftovers if I go out.

She does get the occasional chicken bone too but I know they can be a problem. But she's so hard to resist as she looks at me after I've had my share of a drumstick.

[GreasyFingers]

It's actually best to give them raw bones. When you cook them they get brittle and splinter when they chew them. Eating the sharp splinters is not good for them. NEVER give them chicken bones, raw or cooked.

We fed our dogs chicken bones for years. They loved them that much they used to drool at the mention of them. Just take out the splint bone from the leg first.

[White Tiger]

My dogs love the dry bones from Macro (and from anywhere else for that matter).

The Macro bones are often frozen and I will give them to the dogs frozen. On a hot day they seem to enjoy a frozen bone as much as people might enjoy an ice cream.

Chicken carcass is also quite cheap and they love that too. They will easily polish off a chicken carcass each.

[Mister T]

Agree, chicken carcass, chicken wings and beef bones. Nothing cooked, the cavemen never cooked for their dogs.

[smotherb]

It's actually best to give them raw bones. When you cook them they get brittle and splinter when they chew them. Eating the sharp splinters is not good for them. NEVER give them chicken bones, raw or cooked.

Please, never chicken bones? Well, how about fish bones?

[MediaWatcher]

Have you ever seen a wild dog sit down and cook the bones first...NO. Give them to the dog raw, even chicken bones...Why people think they need to cook food for a dog buggers me.

[Dogbreath]

Dogs will thrive on uncooked bones and raw food of any kind. I never knew a dog who could cook and pooches have been doing fine without cooking for tens of thousands of years. I would not give a dog cooked bones as that is what makes them brittle and prone to splintering which can cause BIG problems in a dog's intestinal tract. Don't take my word for it. Ask your vet. The dogs I have seen on the BARF (bones and raw food) diet do really well healthwise, The diet was started by amn Aussie veterinarian. Some allergies may disappear as well.

[AyG]

Have you ever seen a wild dog sit down and cook the bones first...NO. Give them to the dog raw, even chicken bones...Why people think they need to cook food for a dog buggers me.

That really is a non-argument. Wild dogs get sick, injured and die all the time. No caring dog owner wants any of that to happen. He/she wants to take the lowest risk approach. Cooking food kills germs and parasites, making it safer for their pet. Unfortunately, in the case of bones, this also increases the risk of bones splintering and penetrating the dog's mouth or stomach. Some people will favour one route, some another, according to their perception of the relative risks.

If one has access to fresh, hygienic meat, then raw meat is a fine option.

[BrooklynNY]

Please read this link about feeding animal bones to dogs.

http://www.1800petmeds.com/education/are-bones-safe-for-dogs-4.htm

[MediaWatcher]

AyG, on 28 Aug 2014 - 12:14, said:

MediaWatcher, on 28 Aug 2014 - 11:53, said:

Have you ever seen a wild dog sit down and cook the bones first...NO. Give them to the dog raw, even chicken bones...Why people think they need to cook food for a dog buggers me.

That really is a non-argument. Wild dogs get sick, injured and die all the time. No caring dog owner wants any of that to happen. He/she wants to take the lowest risk approach. Cooking food kills germs and parasites, making it safer for their pet. Unfortunately, in the case of bones, this also increases the risk of bones splintering and penetrating the dog's mouth or stomach. Some people will favour one route, some another, according to their perception of the relative risks.

If one has access to fresh, hygienic meat, then raw meat is a fine option.

Life is a risk for humans as well, most of us love our pets, but some treat them like humans, which they are not. Ask a vet, they will usually advocate raw food as it retains more nutrients and vitamins that a dog requires, it also maintains a better gut biology.

[AyG]

Life is a risk for humans as well, most of us love our pets, but some treat them like humans, which they are not.

I agree 100%. However, treating one's pet as human is not the only reason for wanting to provide cooked food. There are issues of food safety. Sometimes cooked is best. (There's also the convenience aspect for some - it's less effort to open a tin of unpalatable, meaty slime than to procure fresh meat.)

Ask a vet, they will usually advocate raw food as it retains more nutrients and vitamins that a dog requires, it also maintains a better gut biology.

Not any vet I've ever met. All they want to do is push the expensive dried food and high priced canned preparations they have for sale.

[cheeryble]

Problem is a dog can crunch up TOO MANY cooked bones but doesn't digest them so quickly.

That can indeed get dangerously overloaded.

Big raw cartoon bones = perfect.

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[Greg Nixon]

Have you ever seen a wild dog sit down and cook the bones first...NO. Give them to the dog raw, even chicken bones...Why people think they need to cook food for a dog buggers me.

Oh I don't know. i am sure I have seen wild dogs in the forest stewing over a large pot. they especially like boiled chicken and boiled ham. Of course they have never consulted a vet. Do not worry about those wild dogs, they are a lot smarter than wild humans. If you do not believe me go to Phuket or Pattaya.

[umbanda]

I like to barbecue raw pork bones before giving it to my dog. After I eat all the meat I can get from it, and after see my dog drulling of jelousy ...he have the best time of the day....He also have a revenge time....when I cannot get all the meat from a fish and he can eat everything...Anyway...looks like barbecue chicken is his favorite...the spicy kind. He do not like rabbit meat...just to kill them to show me his hunting skills.

[sunshine51]

We give our mutts "raw" bones all the time...beef only. No pork due to numerous parasites.

Ground meat as well along with a heap of kibbles in each bowl. They do really well!

About freezing bones beforehand...some parasites go into suspended animation upon

freezing...be careful & watch your pet for illness, if in doubt see the vet.

[oobar]

Put leftover chicken bones in a pressure cooker. In a very short time, they will be totally soft without the possibility of splintering or damaging your dog in any way. Totally nutritious.

[Gulfsailor]

I like to barbecue raw pork bones before giving it to my dog. After I eat all the meat I can get from it, and after see my dog drulling of jelousy ...he have the best time of the day....He also have a revenge time....when I cannot get all the meat from a fish and he can eat everything...Anyway...looks like barbecue chicken is his favorite...the spicy kind. He do not like rabbit meat...just to kill them to show me his hunting skills.

I think your dog brought home the rabbit for you to put it on the BBQ before he'd eat it. How disappointed he must have been when you discarded it.

[beowolf2012]

I think you have to cook the bones thai dog not eat row pig bones or row chiken bones