'I can take Kiev in two weeks', Vladimir Putin warns NATO leaders

[drand11]

EUROOE, full embargo on all impirts/ expirts to Russia.

Eurooe, restrict/ freeze all financial transactions to Russia.

Opec, drop prices on oil to europe.

Russia becomes a 3rd world nation overnight.

Russia is relegated to the dark ages.. no cash...no power!!

[Jdiddy]

Putin is lying

He could take Kiev in 2 days

[lucjoker]

the strong can take the small, this is nature .

So ,dont get involved with nature!

Let Russia take the bankrupt oekraine,so they cant

attach it to bankrupt europe com.

Because with the attachment of all these poor countries,eu is shit to live in .

[muffy]

And Europe in a month , as long as Obama is there .

[Jingthing]

This is difficult.

Obama in not being aggressive with Russia is actually reflecting the popular sentiment of the American people.

The American people do not want to a war with Russia over Ukraine.

They probably WOULD for Poland. But not Ukraine.

It might actually be the right thing to do, confront Putin before it is too late, and that takes leadership.

Personally, I'm not sure.

But I am sure this shouldn't be mainly on the USA.

It should be mainly on Europe, if a larger war with Russia is felt to be needed.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Jingthing

[puipuitom]

Chancellor Kohl of (Western) Germany said after the merge with DDR: never fight about what you can buy. A lot cheaper.

Only... you have to be willing to pay the price, in this case: stop all business with Russia ( and Ukraine) till a settlement is agreed and followed up all can live with.

As a reporter at British TV said: in the 20th century we fought with tanks, in the 21st we fight with banks.

Some ideas of the economic strength according International Monetary Fund (2013)^{[13] GDP (Millions of US$)}

EU + USA + Canada + Australia = US$ 37.500 Billion versus Russia US$ 2.118 so 5,6% of the "opposition".

I know.. in fact you have to compare "purchasing power", but still... when the "WEST" really wants, they can strangle Russia, maybe not in 14 days, but in 14 weeks, with Russia needing 14 decades to recover.

^{European Union[n 1]17,371,618[16]1United States16,799,7002China9,181,377[n 2]3Japan4,901,5324Germany3,635,959CIS[n 3]2,808,844[16]5France2,737,3616United Kingdom2,535,7617Brazil2,242,8548Russia2,118,006[n 4]9Italy2,071,955ASEAN[n 5]2,012,447[16]10India1,870,65111Canada1,825,09612Australia1,505,277}

[wwest5829]

Where is the worlds self appointed policeman at this moment in time one must ask?

To afraid to come out to face an equally strong imperialist inspiring nation?

The U.S. will stand with its treaty alliance partners. I suspect it will also be a partner to

whatever action the European partners determine is necessary to stop any nation unilaterally

Taking another sovereign nation's territory. There are still those who remember, "peace in our time"

preceding the move by Hitler on Poland and Czechoslovakia. Sometimes aggressors have to meet

a united and determined defense. Or are you just trolling?

[Gonki]

Putin will take Lisbon! It's official.

[lovetotravel]

This is difficult.

Obama in not being aggressive with Russia is actually reflecting the popular sentiment of the American people.

The American people do not want to a war with Russia over Ukraine.

They probably WOULD for Poland. But not Ukraine.

It might actually be the right thing to do, confront Putin before it is too late, and that takes leadership.

Personally, I'm not sure.

But I am sure this shouldn't be mainly on the USA.

It should be mainly on Europe, if a larger war with Russia is felt to be needed.

Couldn't have been said better. Nothing against Ukraine, but why would Obama risk so much for this country? Just not worth it. With all due respect to Ukraine and the people there. This is more of an EU problem. They either need to deal with it, or not. Up to them.

I'm glad the US is staying out of this. Now only if Putin would. Then all this silliness would stop.

[SOTIRIOS]

...........more b.s propaganda.......

[OPG]

Where is the worlds self appointed policeman at this moment in time one must ask?

To afraid to come out to face an equally strong imperialist inspiring nation?

How ignorant can you be!

That comment is typical of anybody who is completely narrow minded. People love to speak of the USA as being the self appointed world police, but nobody ever recalls that most countries that find themselve's in turmoil ask for the assistance. I will say that the USA hasn't done everything the correct way, but even during the times they shouldn't have gotten involved, other countries backed them up as well...why not speak of these other countries? Why just USA?

In this world we live in, peace is not an easy thing. Every major power in one way or another is invested deeply in major world regions that in case...just in case something does occur, they can react immediately and maintain their homeland security from outsiders.

If the walls were down in every country, what do you think would happen?

Does anybody remember the Cold War? The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR-Soviet Union)? Has anybody been following Putin's past...how he manages his control over Russia? What do you think he's doing? Playing chess?

Don't be ignorant with comments such as the world police and by the way, it looks to me like the USA is trying to mend the wrongdoings of a certain past President so the so-called self appointed world police involvement is now in conjunction with other nations and not necessarily the lead (self appointed world police) or would you prefer John Wayne style of tactics so you could continue with your ignorant bashing?

Edited September 2, 2014 by OPG

[wwest5829]

The one Western leader that I admire at the moment, and as much as I hate to say it, is Frenchman François Hollande, he was the first to step in and arm the Kurds, and been very outspoken about Putin

You have to feel a bit for the Russian public, they have Putin for life, no democracy there.

I am guessing all the Russians want is a western life style, take nice holidays in Thailand,and avoid war

What have we seen in many nations in many eras. A leader faulters in support at home and he attempts to rally the people behind him by creating a real or imagined threat to the nation. Please note I did not exclude any nation. I agree, once communism fell, the people expected full availability of food and western goods. Their disappointment is still being lived out putting great pressure on the leaders.

[car720]

I predicted a couple of years ago during the so called western financial crisis that a large scale war is a reset button - I would not be ruling it out - these things can escalate very quickly to a point of no return

I agree, the US will not allow BRICs model to succeed and break away from IMF/World Bank/US influence. They don't need a war, though, they just need Russia to toe the line and be a good boy.

I don't think the Chinese want to break away. From what I know of them they will want to replace. They will use Russia as a diversion whilst they foster India for numbers and Brazil for materials/resources. Just good business. Why fight with your customer while they still have something that you can get.

[car720]

Where is the worlds self appointed policeman at this moment in time one must ask?

To afraid to come out to face an equally strong imperialist inspiring nation?

How ignorant can you be!

That comment is typical of anybody who is completely narrow minded. People love to speak of the USA as being the self appointed world police, but nobody ever recalls that most countries that find themselve's in turmoil ask for the assistance. I will say that the USA hasn't done everything the correct way, but even during the times they shouldn't have gotten involved, other countries backed them up as well...why not speak of these other countries? Why just USA?

In this world we live in, peace is not an easy thing. Every major power in one way or another is invested deeply in major world regions that in case...just in case something does occur, they can react immediately and maintain their homeland security from outsiders.

If the walls were down in every country, what do you think would happen?

Does anybody remember the Cold War? The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR-Soviet Union)? Has anybody been following Putin's past...how he manages his control over Russia? What do you think he's doing? Playing chess?

Don't be ignorant with comments such as the world police and by the way, it looks to me like the USA is trying to mend the wrongdoings of a certain past President so the so-called self appointed world police involvement is now in conjunction with other nations and not necessarily the lead (self appointed world police) or would you prefer John Wayne style of tactics so you could continue with your ignorant bashing?

How can you not love The Duke????.....and Lee Marvin. Who remembers Donovans Reef?

That was the way Thailand used to be in 1970.

As to your other comments......I admire your patriotic attitude however I suggest that some of your history needs revision. Their are some folk here who have first hand experience with the world's policeman and they may not agree with you. However, a famous man once said...."I may not agree with what you are saying but I will defend to the death your right to say it." My point is that there are horses for courses and one should read the form guide before placing a bet.

[hotsoup]

Have any of you actually been to Kiev?

It is a dump, as is most of the Ukraine. Lot of cotton and potatoes. Putin is naturally worried that Uncle Sam will install some hardware and then it would be Cuba all over again. But never mind, the real powers in the US got rid of the Kennedy family when they started to go AWOL. I guess they can do the same with Obama or whoever comes next!

The idea of a NATO summit in Newport has to make one smile though. Have any of you been to Newport, either? Makes Kiev look like Cannes.

[A1Str8]

Nations continue fighting for no particular reason. Lmfao. I think, these people are cute in a lame way.

[BATHIK]

I predicted a couple of years ago during the so called western financial crisis that a large scale war is a reset button - I would not be ruling it out - these things can escalate very quickly to a point of no return

I agree, the US will not allow BRICs model to succeed and break away from IMF/World Bank/US influence. They don't need a war, though, they just need Russia to toe the line and be a good boy.

I don't think the Chinese want to break away. From what I know of them they will want to replace. They will use Russia as a diversion whilst they foster India for numbers and Brazil for materials/resources. Just good business. Why fight with your customer while they still have something that you can get.

All Chinese newly gained wealth is in US dollars and they have no control over its value so they want BRICs to succeed to diversify their egg nest. There's no reason for them to trade with Indians, Asians, Africans, or Russians in US dollar. For now they can't avoid it but they, like everybody else, don't want to tie their future to Washington, FED, or Wall Street, not after 2008.

It's a bit off topic here, though.

[Estrada]

Where is the worlds self appointed policeman at this moment in time one must ask?

Don't expect any white knight to save Ukraine with Obama in charge.

Of course not, he would be a black knight, wouldn't he!

[shaurene]

Ha, send a spearhead force of 4,000 what the hell with they be able to do. I think it is all to do with the Russian Naval Base in Ukraine, why can they not sit down and work out a type of long term lease agreement.

[ABCer]

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EUROOE, full embargo on all impirts/ expirts to Russia.

Eurooe, restrict/ freeze all financial transactions to Russia.

Opec, drop prices on oil to europe.
Russia becomes a 3rd world nation overnight.

Russia is relegated to the dark ages.. no cash...no power!!

Putin is lying

He could take Kiev in 2 days

A very simplistic model.

First. He was not talking to NATO.

Second. He most likely said or meant: " He could have taken Kiev if need be". This version is opposite to interpretations by hot heads here.

Third. Neither EU nor Russia want a 45 M broke nation for dependants. This unfortunately is all Ukraine is today.

Fourth. As it is today Ukraine is not defendable by NATO would Russia have taken it, unless some dreamers think Moscow will allow NATO to organise the substantial defences in Ukraine.

Fifth. Freezing Russia's assets will clear them of all and any obligations re Western investments. Which side would be laughing all the way to the Bank I'm not sure.

Sixth. Russia does not need cash to survive. Russians can survive on bread and potatoes and will still fight. Not sure about the West.

Seventh. Putin may be a bully, a thief and a KGB creature but he has real power in his country and he is no fool by any means.. This is how it is. Cannot say the same about Western Leaders.

Eighth. Putin has the option of getting out of $$$ and embrace China. Western alternative is to put themselves in hands of oil rich Muslims. It will definitely backfire.

I hope nobody will see by now that I am a Putin supporter. Just being cautious.

Oh, and please don't bring in Crimea question. Easy come - easy gone. If Kiev had a grain of brain they would still keep it.

[konying]

Well, the separatist leaders themselves have confirmed on multiple occasions that Russia is supplying them with arms and soldiers. And few of these leaders themselves are 'former' military/intelligence officers of Russia who previously have been involved also in conflicts in Moldova, Chechnya and Georgia.

I think Russia is just increasing their presence and pressure notch by notch, all the time looking at and measuring the reaction from the West, to see how far they can go.

No they have not, Why bother to make up stories?

Leaders have stated some off duty Russian soldiers have come to join and help.

Just like US and UK and AU citizens are fighting for ISIS, it does not mean US or UK or AU military is helping ISIS, does it?

As i have said before, US and few puppets have been accusing Russia for too many things and eventually sleeping bear is bound to wake up and retaliate.

Russia has been very level headed about the whole thing, but since US did not seem to get the message, things are now starting to heat up

Now you want to bring Chechnya and Georgia into it? Do tell what you know about conflict in Chechnya or Georgia?

PS. With all that support for Georgia, have you heard anything ever since? US was so supportive, what happened?

It was only the last case of such a statement that mentioned that few thousand of soldiers 'on leave' are there. There have been few such flopped statements before which have mentioned that hundreds of troops 'trained in Russia' have joined separatist forces, or that it is difficult to control the fighters from Chechnya supplied by Russia, or expressed disappointment that the money from Russia is not coming in time. If Russia really wanted to, they could stop all this at any time, so one has to assume that this is happening with the blessing from Putin and the events are directed by Russia.

I am not bringing Chechnya or Georgia into this, I am just stating the fact that a few of the purported 'separatist leaders' in Ukraine were involved also in the events in these countries. What kind of 'local' separatist movement do they represent then?

Fighters from Chechnya ? What on earth are you talking about now?

If Russia wanted to end it??? If US stops meddling , it would not have started in the first place .

Yes Russia could assist in ending it, only why would they? To have US missiles at its door step?

[Pakboong]

I predicted a couple of years ago during the so called western financial crisis that a large scale war is a reset button - I would not be ruling it out - these things can escalate very quickly to a point of no return

I agree, the US will not allow BRICs model to succeed and break away from IMF/World Bank/US influence. They don't need a war, though, they just need Russia to toe the line and be a good boy.

I don't think the Chinese want to break away. From what I know of them they will want to replace. They will use Russia as a diversion whilst they foster India for numbers and Brazil for materials/resources. Just good business. Why fight with your customer while they still have something that you can get.

There are now 75 other nations who have expressed interest in joining BRICS. All of them apparently are willing to dump their privately owned central banks and thus the IMF to join the BRICS umbrella. It is indeed a bold move and I have many doubts as to its success. So much of the world has evolved dependent on the current banking model that suggests change is going to be a very bumpy ride. I don't see why the new BRICS would not get a cut from yearly income of the member central banks just as the IMF does now. The difference is supposed to be that the banks will be nationalized and shareholders will not pull the strings as is currently the case with the IMF.

It is anticipated that the new World Bank will be located in Shanghai.

I expect the 5 primary countries plan a gold backed currency and will likely let the 75 member countries in for a portion of their gold likely based up on their GDP much as the IMF did in the 40s. The IMF currently has a gold reserve which is the 3rd largest in the world if you believe the US gold is actually in the vaults at Fort Knox. Fort Knox gold has not been inventoried since the 50's.

This undertaking is so huge, Putin has no time to care about the Ukraine. Problems in Ukraine may in fact be designed to sink the BRICS plan.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Pakboong

[IAMSOBAD]

Putin On The Ritz...

[JohnDodd]

FA wrong with Newport mate.

[h90]

Here the clarification:

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140902/192553445/Kremlin-Barroso-Quoting-Putin-Taking-Kiev-Taken-Out-of-Context.html

[SNGLIFE]

It would be utterly silly for Obama to intervene militarily. Ukraine is not a NATO member state because they chose not to be. These are the consequences. Oh well, oh well...

Militarily, Russia is a peon compared to the USA. Yes, Russia is a regional player, but nowhere even close to being a real conventional weapons threat to NATO. Putin may bully and run amok amongst the independent states in the area, but even he is not stupid enough to cross the wrong border. NATO would wipe out Russia's conventional military SWIFTLY and utterly.

Don't ever get that twisted.

Edited September 2, 2014 by SNGLIFE

[oldsailor35]

Do it "motor mouth from Moscow" and see what it gets you.

[dutchisaan]

EUROOE, full embargo on all impirts/ expirts to Russia.

Eurooe, restrict/ freeze all financial transactions to Russia.

Opec, drop prices on oil to europe.

Russia becomes a 3rd world nation overnight.

Russia is relegated to the dark ages.. no cash...no power!!

Putin is lying

He could take Kiev in 2 days

A very simplistic model.

First. He was not talking to NATO.

Second. He most likely said or meant: " He could have taken Kiev if need be". This version is opposite to interpretations by hot heads here.

Third. Neither EU nor Russia want a 45 M broke nation for dependants. This unfortunately is all Ukraine is today.

Fourth. As it is today Ukraine is not defendable by NATO would Russia have taken it, unless some dreamers think Moscow will allow NATO to organise the substantial defences in Ukraine.

Fifth. Freezing Russia's assets will clear them of all and any obligations re Western investments. Which side would be laughing all the way to the Bank I'm not sure.

Sixth. Russia does not need cash to survive. Russians can survive on bread and potatoes and will still fight. Not sure about the West.

Seventh. Putin may be a bully, a thief and a KGB creature but he has real power in his country and he is no fool by any means.. This is how it is. Cannot say the same about Western Leaders.

Eighth. Putin has the option of getting out of $$$ and embrace China. Western alternative is to put themselves in hands of oil rich Muslims. It will definitely backfire.

I hope nobody will see by now that I am a Putin supporter. Just being cautious.

Oh, and please don't bring in Crimea question. Easy come - easy gone. If Kiev had a grain of brain they would still keep it.

#9. Keep telling the people how bad the west is. Reminds me of the time the Sovjet Union.

#10. I hope you like potatoes and cabbage.

And no, your are not a Putin supporter, you are just caustious, I wonder why? Afraid of returning to Russia?

And the Crimea, as you say, easy come, easy go. I realy hope you like your potatoes, because that's all you will end up with.

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[traviss]

He could take Kiev but when Moscow is vaporised, he can say "I told you". Sounds more like Kim Jung Ill (aka short fat guy) is writing his speeches.

What...Two very different people with two very different goals.

[rayw]

I think Ukraine needs saving from the Americans not the Russians. If you want to read the other side of the story so you have both views and can objectively decide what the truth is, then just search and read reports from Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, (a reputable US citizen who served in a senior role in the Reagan administration). Go on treat yourself and Google his name and read his stuff on his website blogs, you may just become more enlightened as to who really are the bad guys. Certainly has opened my previously way too closed mind and put me onto seeking the real truth about Ukraine, which seems sorely missing from the Western presstitute media feeding us blatant and clearly misinformation and propaganda that will lead to the very last war if we let it.

Oh BTW I think Russians are happy with their life and do now travel all over the world too since Putin got rid of the robbing corrupt Oligarchs. I am neither Communist nor Capitalist in its current extreme incarnation, but right now looking totally openly and objectively I really do not trust the US Government at all, as they have been caught out in many many lies lately, I have more faith and trust in Putin right now I have to honestly say, as all logic and reports points to him being in the right here.

How would the bloody "exceptional" and "indispensable" US Administration feel if say Russia orchestrated an overthrow of the Mexican Government and put in their own puppet one as the US have it seems clearly done in Ukraine. The US administration is so arrogant and corrupt, fortunately I have many US friends who also see the truth and agree with that opinion too. The UK and Euro Governments are not much better being lap dogs and puppets to the bullying from Washington.

Anyway respond all you want but I will not add more here as I have not the time to spare on a long dialogue on this one, just do the research yourselves and make your own mind up as I and many others now have. Nothing I have seen so far has even remotely made me change my viewpoint on this issue, so I really doubt anything posted here will change it, though with I hope an open truth seeking mind, I do read stuff even if I do not respond.