Question about the Student ED visa for the 2nd year

[SmuchtzBKK]

Hi all,

I'm currently in my 2nd year of my student visa, and will have to do my extension soon, but as you know the rule changed since the 29th august, and we will have 7 days only, my school told me that it concerns every students in the 2nd year or more.

So my question is, did anyone get a new student visa in a Thai embassy, with the extension paper only and a letter from his school explaining the changes of the law in Thailand since the 29th August. Because if I understand apparently I will have to leave the country 2 times, one time to lose my Ed visa and come back with a tourist visa, and then a second time with the new document from the Ministry of Education provided by my school, to apply again for the student visa. Sounds a bit complicated,

It would be great if it works with the extension paper only and the letter, at least we will have to leave only 1 time.

Thanks for the feedback guys.

[Kitsune]

What you do is get your school to apply for MOE letter of approval

You won't get your ED visa without proper papers.

Yes it takes one month, but sometimes they do it in 3 weeks too.

You have 2 choices

- You stay here and go to immigration to apply for extension 1week/10days twice (each time you pay 1900B). That would buy you 20 days (+ your 7 days) that could work, if not you need to leave the country ...

- You get out, but you don't need a proper tourist visa: You just exit the country and come back on a visa exempt, you get one month (depending of your nationality) and if needed do it again for a second month,which leaves you plenty of time to get your papers

Finally you need to apply for ED visa

[paz]

- You stay here and go to immigration to apply for extension 1week/10days twice (each time you pay 1900B). That would buy you 20 days (+ your 7 days) that could work, if not you need to leave the country ...

7 days extension can be obtained once only. After that, it's final, no extension can be obtained anymore.

[Kitsune]

- You stay here and go to immigration to apply for extension 1week/10days twice (each time you pay 1900B). That would buy you 20 days (+ your 7 days) that could work, if not you need to leave the country ...

7 days extension can be obtained once only. After that, it's final, no extension can be obtained anymore.

I was allowed to do it TWICE.

No questions asked.

Your school can get you 10 days TWICE, if not the minimum is 7 days twice.

[paz]

- You stay here and go to immigration to apply for extension 1week/10days twice (each time you pay 1900B). That would buy you 20 days (+ your 7 days) that could work, if not you need to leave the country ...

7 days extension can be obtained once only. After that, it's final, no extension can be obtained anymore.

I was allowed to do it TWICE.

No questions asked.

Your school can get you 10 days TWICE, if not the minimum is 7 days twice.

That has changed 29/8. The verbiage allowing a second 7 days extension has been removed. Now there is no appeal allowed.

[Kitsune]

- You stay here and go to immigration to apply for extension 1week/10days twice (each time you pay 1900B). That would buy you 20 days (+ your 7 days) that could work, if not you need to leave the country ...

7 days extension can be obtained once only. After that, it's final, no extension can be obtained anymore.

I was allowed to do it TWICE.

No questions asked.

Your school can get you 10 days TWICE, if not the minimum is 7 days twice.

That has changed 29/8. The verbiage allowing a second 7 days extension has been removed. Now there is no appeal allowed.

Can we see the police order?

[ubonjoe]

Two 7 day extensions has never been allowed. The school may of done a work around some way.

Immigration Bureau Order 327/2557

[paz]

Can we see the police order?

Old

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/temporarystay/policy777-2551_en.pdf

from 29/8

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=280330

(TV translation - immigration has not bothered publishing their own yet).

The following text in section 4 has been removed

If the alien wishes to seek reconsideration of the non-permission order under Paragraph 1 herein, he may submit one petition only in writing, stating the reasons and necessity, to a competent officer equivalent to or higher than inspector for which a written order accepting such petition must be issued first. The petitioner may submit the application together with supporting documents for consideration simultaneously.

The reconsideration must be completed within the period of time stated in Paragraph 1. During the reconsideration, competent officers must stamp permission allowing the alien seven business days from the submission date of the petition for reconsideration to wait for the result.

That is, it was possible to submit an appeal to the first "denied extension", during consideration one was granted another 9 days. Not anymore.

[wayned]

Two 7 day extensions has never been allowed. The school may of done a work around some way.

Immigration Bureau Order 327/2557

A long time ago two 7 day extensions were allowed, but I think that they went away when the cost of the extensions were raised to 1900 baht. You could actually extend a tourist or Non-O visa entry for 30 days, then extend for 15 days and then extend two times for 7 days. I just looked at my old passport and I did it in Samui with three tourist visas and two double entry Non-O, yes double entry with the number 2 written on it, not M, but that was back in the late 1990's and early 2000's.

[Kitsune]

Two 7 day extensions has never been allowed. The school may of done a work around some way.

Immigration Bureau Order 327/2557

My school never backed me.

I went alone.

Got one week twice last year in November 2013.

So not even a year ago

,

If it never has been in the Police Order in the first place, why is PAZ telling us the verbiage has changed ?

Is he making things up again?

Can we have him stop giving wrong information on the forum?

It's the second time this is happening.

Visa information are too important to have people making things up for answers.

[paz]

My school never backed me.

I went alone.

Got one week twice last year in November 2013.

So not even a year ago

,

If it never has been in the Police Order in the first place, why is PAZ telling us the verbiage has changed ?

Is he making things up again?

Can we have him stop giving wrong information on the forum?

It's the second time this is happening.

Visa information are too important to have people making things up for answers.

Actually I'm the one that should complain, but in fact is funny as you are making a fool of yourself with these accusations.

I have explained that it WAS in the police order, but probably you can't comprehend English.

So, what I have posted is 100% correct, or you must prove otherwise.

Here's is another one for you. read paragraph 2:

[Kitsune]

You can insult me all you want. It says more about you than about me.

I am here to help people, not to boast, put myself forward as a so-called expert or insult them.

In Thailand rules are notoriously not enforced, if they were 100% enforced,we would not this forum, we would just read them.

You posted the new police order, when the discussion was about the old one (the moderator said it was never allowed), and you expect me to feel foolish?

I don't who you are trying to convince .... Sorry but no one buys it.

[paz]

You can insult me all you want.

It says more about you than about me.

I am here to help people, not to boast or insult them.

If did not insult anyone, but I was attacked in your previous posting:

If it never has been in the Police Order in the first place, why is PAZ telling us the verbiage has changed ?

Is he making things up again?

Can we have him stop giving wrong information on the forum?

It's the second time this is happening.

Visa information are too important to have people making things up for answers.

All the information I've posted is correct, consisting no more that official Immigration documents from official websites. Do you want to contest that ?

Other than that, anyone can see who helps who in this forum.

[SmuchtzBKK]

Thank you for your help guys,

Even if there is different answer, it is good to have information overall.

On my side, I managed to get some feedback, about someone who went to the Thai Embassy this morning in Vientiane, this person got 7 days last week.

So with the extension documents and a letter from the school, the Thai embassy accepted the application, doesn't mean the student visa was given, but at least they accepted to take all the documents today.

Will see tomorrow after 1pm, if he will get the new student visa. Would be very good if it works so at least we will have to go there only one time,

Have a good evening.

[paz]

Will see tomorrow after 1pm, if he will get the new student visa. Would be very good if it works so at least we will have to go there only one time,

Your friend will not have a problem in getting his visa. If the paperwork is not correct, the application is not accepted.

[SmuchtzBKK]

Dear Paz,

Thank you,

This is what i tought also, if they checked all and then accepted the application, should be ok, I will confirm to this topic tomorrow.

[Kitsune]

If did not insult anyone, but I was attacked in your previous posting:

All the information I've posted is correct, consisting no more that official Immigration documents from official websites. Do you want to contest that ?

Other than that, anyone can see who helps who in this forum.

Saying that you giving made up information is a fact, not an attack.

You give unsupported advise on this forum and it's wasting people time.

Like when you tell people to get to an embassy to get a tourist visa while waiting for MOE letter when they can get exactly the same time, with less hassle less time spent and less money spent. That is a fact and that's a waste of time.

Now answering to that by insults and personal attacks is just inappropriate and wrong.

I don't know if you are trying to graduate as a moderator,but I really hope they won't take you.

[Kitsune]

If I was the OP I would wait for the moderator advice,and not rely on some guy trying to boast its ego on forums

[paz]

If did not insult anyone, but I was attacked in your previous posting:

All the information I've posted is correct, consisting no more that official Immigration documents from official websites. Do you want to contest that ?

Other than that, anyone can see who helps who in this forum.

Saying that you giving made up information is a fact, not an attack.

You give unsupported advise on this forum and it's wasting people time.

Like when you tell people to get to an embassy to get a tourist visa while waiting for MOE letter when they can get exactly the same time, with less hassle less time spent and less money spent. That is a fact and that's a waste of time.

Now answering to that by insults and personal attacks is just inappropriate and wrong.

I don't know if you are trying to graduate as a moderator,but I really hope they won't take you.

You're struggling to show that you're right, but have proved nothing except your sturdiness.

Keep banging your drum, you're the only one that listens to it.

[Kitsune]

Contrarily to you I cannot care less about being right. I don't strive on ego.

I am just a person that was in the exact same situation as the OP.

Who are you? No one apart from a guy who try to pose as a moderator.

[brianp0803]

It will be interesting if they force school to take attendance.

Every 3 months schools send attendance reports and requesting 3 more

If students failed to actually attend 70% of classes they would looses their student visa but still be allowed to attend the classes they paid for.

[kurce]

I'm in the same position as you SmuchtzBK. I started my third year of Thai language studies 86 days ago. Rules changed etc. etc.... I was also wondering wether the extension papers from MOE with an accompanying letter from the school would satisfy the requirements for obtaining a new student visa. I asked the school to call the Thai Embassy in Lao and ask just this question.

They called yesterday explained my situation (which is also the situation that many others attending school are in) and the simple answer was NO. You must re-apply for the student visa as you did when you initially applied and submit that paperwork.

I am very interested to hear the outcome form your friend, as if accepted this would be a relief not only for me but also for the school, as a lot less paperwork involved and I wouldn't have to do a visa run and extension whilst waiting the 4 weeks to receive the new documents.

Cheers.

[paz]

I'm in the same position as you SmuchtzBK. I started my third year of Thai language studies 86 days ago. Rules changed etc. etc.... I was also wondering wether the extension papers from MOE with an accompanying letter from the school would satisfy the requirements for obtaining a new student visa. I asked the school to call the Thai Embassy in Lao and ask just this question.

They called yesterday explained my situation (which is also the situation that many others attending school are in) and the simple answer was NO. You must re-apply for the student visa as you did when you initially applied and submit that paperwork.

Unfortunately the new rules are very clear, if you have been in country for one year since your initial ED visa, you will have to get a new visa abroad. You can hope for lenient treatment by your local office but that is an hope not a right.

[kurce]

I'm in the same position as you SmuchtzBK. I started my third year of Thai language studies 86 days ago. Rules changed etc. etc.... I was also wondering wether the extension papers from MOE with an accompanying letter from the school would satisfy the requirements for obtaining a new student visa. I asked the school to call the Thai Embassy in Lao and ask just this question.

They called yesterday explained my situation (which is also the situation that many others attending school are in) and the simple answer was NO. You must re-apply for the student visa as you did when you initially applied and submit that paperwork.

Unfortunately the new rules are very clear, if you have been in country for one year since your initial ED visa, you will have to get a new visa abroad. You can hope for lenient treatment by your local office but that is an hope not a right.

Yes, hope being the key world. Myself, my school and I imagine the MOE hoping that Embassies show some leniency with regards to the documents required for a new ED visa for people in the same position as me. However, not to be.