Woman beheaded in London attack

[7by7]

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Heads don't just fall off in a stabbing attack.
I have butchered a number of animals for meat. What I know for sure is that the head won't come off by accident. you have to saw at it a bit, or put some real force behind a chop or two.
There is no doubt in anyone's mind but yours (7by7)( and probably even you believe but will not admit ) that this was a deliberate beheading.

It is well known that adrenaline can dramatically increase a person's strength; the cases of women lifting a car off their children, for example.

It is also well known that the effects of certain drugs can do the same.

Either one of these, or a combination of both, could easily have given Salvador the strength to decapitate Mrs Silva with one blow; if indeed he did.

The post mortem report indicates that in his frenzy he reigned repeated blows upon Mrs Silva, those that killed her and those afterwards. Who knows for sure how many blows it took to finally decapitate her?

There is no doubt in my mind, and from the PM report that of the doctor who carried out the PM, that the beheading was a consequence of a frenzied attack on Mrs Silva with a machete; not a deliberate, pre meditated act.

[7by7]

7by7- I am only curious: do you get it?

I am not talking about your arguments or those against you. I am curious, do you understand why folks like me are worried, or why so many have fear of the Third Jihad of islamic expansion? You appear committed to your line of reasoning, but do you understand the world of islamic jihad today has people worried?

Of course I know that people are worried about Islamic jihad, of course I am aware that Islamic fundamentalism is a problem world wide.

I am not naïve.

But I am also aware that using any excuse, such as this murder, to demonise the majority of Muslims who are not fundamental jihadists will only add to the problem, not help cure it.

[canuckamuck]

Some quotes removed to comply with forum software.

Heads don't just fall off in a stabbing attack.

I have butchered a number of animals for meat. What I know for sure is that the head won't come off by accident. you have to saw at it a bit, or put some real force behind a chop or two.

There is no doubt in anyone's mind but yours (7by7)( and probably even you believe but will not admit ) that this was a deliberate beheading.

It is well known that adrenaline can dramatically increase a person's strength; the cases of women lifting a car off their children, for example.

It is also well known that the effects of certain drugs can do the same.

Either one of these, or a combination of both, could easily have given Salvador the strength to decapitate Mrs Silva with one blow; if indeed he did.

The post mortem report indicates that in his frenzy he reigned repeated blows upon Mrs Silva, those that killed her and those afterwards. Who knows for sure how many blows it took to finally decapitate her?

There is no doubt in my mind, and from the PM report that of the doctor who carried out the PM, that the beheading was a consequence of a frenzied attack on Mrs Silva with a machete; not a deliberate, pre meditated act.

On the point of whether or not the beheading was intentional, you are being intentionally obtuse. Repeated hacking at the neck is beheading on purpose. He also beheaded the cat, coincidence? He was out to take heads, no doubt about it. Probably poor Mrs. Silva defended herself briefly which is why she got stabbed first before he could get an angle to behead.

Anyhow I am done discussing the gory details of this crime. He murdered her, will you at least admit that, or are you thinking it was completely accidental.

[7by7]

<snip>

Transam; nothing I have said in this topic is in anyway a defence of Salavador; that you and others repeatedly resort to accusing me of defending him when I am clearly not only proves that you know you and others are talking through your backsides when you try and call this a jihad attack.

I don't give a toss about the Salvo bloke, it's just about an odd fellow that comes to the aid of killers here if they are of a certain religion. I am really at your attitude, but really sad too, for you...

QED

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Edited September 9, 2014 by 7by7

[7by7]

Some quotes removed to comply with forum software.

Heads don't just fall off in a stabbing attack.

I have butchered a number of animals for meat. What I know for sure is that the head won't come off by accident. you have to saw at it a bit, or put some real force behind a chop or two.

There is no doubt in anyone's mind but yours (7by7)( and probably even you believe but will not admit ) that this was a deliberate beheading.

It is well known that adrenaline can dramatically increase a person's strength; the cases of women lifting a car off their children, for example.

It is also well known that the effects of certain drugs can do the same.

Either one of these, or a combination of both, could easily have given Salvador the strength to decapitate Mrs Silva with one blow; if indeed he did.

The post mortem report indicates that in his frenzy he reigned repeated blows upon Mrs Silva, those that killed her and those afterwards. Who knows for sure how many blows it took to finally decapitate her?

There is no doubt in my mind, and from the PM report that of the doctor who carried out the PM, that the beheading was a consequence of a frenzied attack on Mrs Silva with a machete; not a deliberate, pre meditated act.

On the point of whether or not the beheading was intentional, you are being intentionally obtuse. Repeated hacking at the neck is beheading on purpose. He also beheaded the cat, coincidence? He was out to take heads, no doubt about it. Probably poor Mrs. Silva defended herself briefly which is why she got stabbed first before he could get an angle to behead.

Anyhow I am done discussing the gory details of this crime. He murdered her, will you at least admit that, or are you thinking it was completely accidental.

Like others in this thread, when you run out of arguments you resort to childish accusations.

I do not have to 'admit' that he murdered her! I have never denied it.

[canuckamuck]

Some quotes removed to comply with forum software.

Heads don't just fall off in a stabbing attack.

I have butchered a number of animals for meat. What I know for sure is that the head won't come off by accident. you have to saw at it a bit, or put some real force behind a chop or two.

There is no doubt in anyone's mind but yours (7by7)( and probably even you believe but will not admit ) that this was a deliberate beheading.

It is well known that adrenaline can dramatically increase a person's strength; the cases of women lifting a car off their children, for example.

It is also well known that the effects of certain drugs can do the same.

Either one of these, or a combination of both, could easily have given Salvador the strength to decapitate Mrs Silva with one blow; if indeed he did.

The post mortem report indicates that in his frenzy he reigned repeated blows upon Mrs Silva, those that killed her and those afterwards. Who knows for sure how many blows it took to finally decapitate her?

There is no doubt in my mind, and from the PM report that of the doctor who carried out the PM, that the beheading was a consequence of a frenzied attack on Mrs Silva with a machete; not a deliberate, pre meditated act.

On the point of whether or not the beheading was intentional, you are being intentionally obtuse. Repeated hacking at the neck is beheading on purpose. He also beheaded the cat, coincidence? He was out to take heads, no doubt about it. Probably poor Mrs. Silva defended herself briefly which is why she got stabbed first before he could get an angle to behead.

Anyhow I am done discussing the gory details of this crime. He murdered her, will you at least admit that, or are you thinking it was completely accidental.

Like others in this thread, when you run out of arguments you resort to childish accusations.

I do not have to 'admit' that he murdered her! I have never denied it.

Not a childish accusation, just an indication of my incredulity at your belief in accidental be-headings by machete. Just want to know how much of this event you believe was just bad luck.

[jacky54]

It is you and those who think like you who are trying to make something out of nothing; and you do so by ignoring all the other evidence as it does not suit your agenda.

Tell me, why would an Islamic jihadist intent on decapitating a non Muslim be shouting "Cat stole my lighter" as he lashed out at a car, a rose bush, two cats and finally Mrs Silva?

I repeat; if it turns out that you are all right that he was a Muslim fanatic looking for a non Muslim to kill as a symbolic statement of some kind, I will publicly eat as much humble pie as you require.

If the opposite is true and, as the evidence and police statements suggest, this vicious killing had nothing to do with Salvador's religion; will you all do the same?

Care to answer; it's not that difficult a question.

Did anyone except you mention he was a 'fanatic'? it hardly matters does it? he was just another crazy Muslim with a grudge and a knife against the world for imagined slights, oppression,invasion of 'Muslim lands'. Mentally ill perhaps but only an extreme,in my view anyone converting to Islam is mentally retarded. Of course it has to do with his religion, what other religion instructs people to 'strike their heads off'

[jacky54]

I do not have to 'admit' that he murdered her! I have never denied it.

But you DID deny he intended to cut her head off (even though he did) as that would have meant he was probably inspired by his Islamic faith,and you can't accept that can you..

[Cambodger]

Some quotes removed to comply with forum software.

Heads don't just fall off in a stabbing attack.

I have butchered a number of animals for meat. What I know for sure is that the head won't come off by accident. you have to saw at it a bit, or put some real force behind a chop or two.

There is no doubt in anyone's mind but yours (7by7)( and probably even you believe but will not admit ) that this was a deliberate beheading.

It is well known that adrenaline can dramatically increase a person's strength; the cases of women lifting a car off their children, for example.

It is also well known that the effects of certain drugs can do the same.

Either one of these, or a combination of both, could easily have given Salvador the strength to decapitate Mrs Silva with one blow; if indeed he did.

The post mortem report indicates that in his frenzy he reigned repeated blows upon Mrs Silva, those that killed her and those afterwards. Who knows for sure how many blows it took to finally decapitate her?

There is no doubt in my mind, and from the PM report that of the doctor who carried out the PM, that the beheading was a consequence of a frenzied attack on Mrs Silva with a machete; not a deliberate, pre meditated act.

On the point of whether or not the beheading was intentional, you are being intentionally obtuse. Repeated hacking at the neck is beheading on purpose. He also beheaded the cat, coincidence? He was out to take heads, no doubt about it. Probably poor Mrs. Silva defended herself briefly which is why she got stabbed first before he could get an angle to behead.

Anyhow I am done discussing the gory details of this crime. He murdered her, will you at least admit that, or are you thinking it was completely accidental.

Like others in this thread, when you run out of arguments you resort to childish accusations.

I do not have to 'admit' that he murdered her! I have never denied it.

Do you think that cat really stole his lighter?

[arjunadawn]

7by7- I am only curious: do you get it?

I am not talking about your arguments or those against you. I am curious, do you understand why folks like me are worried, or why so many have fear of the Third Jihad of islamic expansion? You appear committed to your line of reasoning, but do you understand the world of islamic jihad today has people worried?

Of course I know that people are worried about Islamic jihad, of course I am aware that Islamic fundamentalism is a problem world wide.I am not naïve.But I am also aware that using any excuse, such as this murder, to demonise the majority of Muslims who are not fundamental jihadists will only add to the problem, not help cure it.

Ok, fair enough. If you are generally keen on sniffing out bias regarding these issues, I understand. Yes, one can be as equally aware there is a global problem but reach different conclusions about what constitutes this continued threat and what is just ordinary life business.

[jacky54]

I blame the cat, it was probably drinking milk and having a good time, not covered up either, some of these cats are just asking for it! The fact that the Muslim decapitated it in no way puts his religion in a bad light, and he probably did not intend to cut the cats head off either. Cats are also well known to have caused a bit of bother in Muslim lands pissing on Mosque walls, so could have been the the will of Allah, or not.

Seriously though 7x7 keeps banging on about the difference between the nasty threatening Jihadists and the nice fluffy moderates who would not hurt a fly and who are not interested in sharia, the caliphate, chopping heads off, or the koran even.This is just smoke and mirrors, there is no real difference, there is only Islam founded by a brutal deceptive warlord and a child rapist, where do you think they get their ideas from? all of them!

[transam]

I blame the cat, it was probably drinking milk and having a good time, not covered up either, some of these cats are just asking for it! The fact that the Muslim decapitated it in no way puts his religion in a bad light, and he probably did not intend to cut the cats head off either. Cats are also well known to have caused a bit of bother in Muslim lands pissing on Mosque walls, so could have been the the will of Allah, or not.

Seriously though 7x7 keeps banging on about the difference between the nasty threatening Jihadists and the nice fluffy moderates who would not hurt a fly and who are not interested in sharia, the caliphate, chopping heads off, or the koran even.This is just smoke and mirrors, there is no real difference, there is only Islam founded by a brutal deceptive warlord and a child rapist, where do you think they get their ideas from? all of them!

Now this highly confidential. I have had a sneak preview of evidence. Do not reveal it to you know who.....

[jacky54]

Love this guy, he really nails it

[for real]

7by7- I am only curious: do you get it?

I am not talking about your arguments or those against you. I am curious, do you understand why folks like me are worried, or why so many have fear of the Third Jihad of islamic expansion? You appear committed to your line of reasoning, but do you understand the world of islamic jihad today has people worried?

Of course I know that people are worried about Islamic jihad, of course I am aware that Islamic fundamentalism is a problem world wide.

I am not naïve.

But I am also aware that using any excuse, such as this murder, to demonise the majority of Muslims who are not fundamental jihadists will only add to the problem, not help cure it.

I well remember an educated muslim cleric after the July bombings in London saying ON bbc TV how sad he was that 'innocent people died or were badly injured'.

When pressed on this point he openly admitted that,to him , the only innocent people dead or injured were any Muslims

[soihok]

Repeat, as this what this thread is about.

I work every day with a lot of Muslims here in Malaysia, non have tried to cut my head off.

Main problem here is crime relating to robbery, corruption and trafficking. Same you would find in most countries in this area of the world.

The UK seems to attract the nutters though.

[arjunadawn]

Elsewhere, someone suggested that a beheading of an American was perhaps in retaliation to CIA interrogation. Beheadings are a very particular element of islamic depravity. It is nearly a signature card now as it has been for millennia. When reading about this poor woman and posters musing over whether if was a jihadi attack or not, understand why:

47:4: “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”
47:4 “When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks…”
47:4: “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks…”

5:33: “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution [by beheading], or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.”
5:33: Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides…”

8:12: “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”
8:12: “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.”
8:12: “I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.”

[arjunadawn]

Understanding why we fear beheadings as a message from islamic terrorists:

Aba Hakam was severely wounded but still alive when Abdullah, the servant of Muhammad, ran up, put his foot on Aba Hakam’s neck, got a hold of his beard and started insulting the fatally wounded man whom his own people had named “the father of wisdom.” Abdullah cut off Abba Hakam’s head and carried it to his master. "The head of the enemy of Allah!" exclaimed Muhammad joyously; ---- "Allah! There is no other god but he!" - "Yea There is no other!" responded Abdullah, as he cast the severed head at the Prophet’s feet. "It is more acceptable to me;" cried Muhammad, hardly able to contain his joy, "than the choicest camel in all Arabia.”

Khalid said, “O Allah, if you deliver their shoulders to us, I will obligate myself to You not to leave any one of them whom we can overcome until I make their canal run with their blood.” Then Allah defeated them for the Muslims and gave their shoulders to them. Khalid then commanded to his herald to proclaim to his men, “Capture! Capture! Do not kill any except he who continues to resist.” As a result the calvary brought prisoners in droves, driving them along. Khalid had detailed certain men to cut off their heads in the canal. He did that to them for a day and a night. They pursued them the next day and the day after, until they reached the Nahrayn and the like of that distance in every direction from Ullays. And Khalid cut off their heads.

Some of Khalid’s men proclaimed to him:

“even if you were to kill all the population of the earth, their blood would still not run… Therefore send water over it, so that you may fulfill your oath.” Khalid had blocked the water from the canal. Now Khalid brought the water back, so that it flowed with spilled blood. Owing to this it has been called Blood Canal to this day.

In 680, the Prophet's favorite grandson, Hussein bin Ali, had his head chopped off in Karbala, central Iraq, by the soldiers of the Caliph Yazid. The severed head was put on a silver platter and sent to Damascus, Yazid's capital, before being sent further to Cairo for inspection by the Governor of Egypt. The Caliph's soldiers also cut off the heads of all of Hussein's 71 male companions, including the one-yeaBabur, the founder of the Mughal Empire, who is revered as a paragon of Muslim tolerance by modern revisionist historians, recorded the following in his autobiographical “Baburnama,” about infidel prisoners of a jihad campaign: "Those who were brought in alive [having surrendered] were ordered beheaded, after which a tower of skulls was erected in the camp."r-old baby boy Ali-Asghar.

In 1842 the Afghani Muslims overtook the British garrison in Kabul and beheaded over 2000 men, women and children. The heads were placed on sticks around the city as decorations.

In 1992, the mullahs sent a "specialist" to cut off the head of Shapour Bakhtiar, the shah's last prime minister, in a suburb of Paris. When the news broke, Hashemi Rafsanjani, then president of the Islamic Republic, publicly thanked Allah for having allowed "the severing of the head of the snake."

In 1996 in Ben-Talha, a suburb of the capital Algiers, Momo cut off a record 86 heads in one night, including the heads of more than a dozen children. In recognition of his exemplary act of piety, the GIA sent him to Mecca for pilgrimage. Last time we checked, Momo was still at large somewhere in Algeria.

Rival Sunni and &lt;deleted&gt; groups have made a habit of sending chopped off heads of each other’s activists by special delivery. By one estimate, over 400 heads have been chopped off and mailed since 1990.

The Saudi government beheaded 52 men and one woman last year for crimes including murder, homosexuality, armed robbery and drug trafficking… A condemned convict is brought into the courtyard, hands tied, and forced to bow before an executioner, who swings a huge sword amid cries from onlookers of "Allahu Akbar!", Arabic for "God is great."

[arjunadawn]

Repeat, as this what this thread is about.

I work every day with a lot of Muslims here in Malaysia, non have tried to cut my head off.

Main problem here is crime relating to robbery, corruption and trafficking. Same you would find in most countries in this area of the world.

The UK seems to attract the nutters though.

In northern Iraq, numerous people were put to death as ISIS swept through the area. Shia, unacceptable Sunni, Christians, etc., were put to the sword or bullet. The thing is, most of the killing was done by neighbors, by people they had known all their lives. You have as little idea what the nature of this act was, nor do I. But the thread has value as people worry. People worry for a very good reason. People worry because all the voices screaming "Look at me, I am Peace... I am moderate" does not reconcile with our daily observations of genocide throughout the world.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-kurds-sunnis-20140908-story.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/13/world/meast/iraq-mountain-yazidi-refugees/

[simple1]

Repeat, as this what this thread is about.

I work every day with a lot of Muslims here in Malaysia, non have tried to cut my head off.

Main problem here is crime relating to robbery, corruption and trafficking. Same you would find in most countries in this area of the world.

The UK seems to attract the nutters though.

In northern Iraq, numerous people were put to death as ISIS swept through the area. Shia, unacceptable Sunni, Christians, etc., were put to the sword or bullet. The thing is, most of the killing was done by neighbors, by people they had known all their lives. You have as little idea what the nature of this act was, nor do I. But the thread has value as people worry. People worry for a very good reason. People worry because all the voices screaming "Look at me, I am Peace... I am moderate" does not reconcile with our daily observations of genocide throughout the world.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-kurds-sunnis-20140908-story.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/13/world/meast/iraq-mountain-yazidi-refugees/

The same observation applies to the Serbs and other non Muslims in the Former Yugoslavia who murdered, raped, tortured, forced sexual slavery, ethnic cleansed their Muslims neighbours who they had known for generations. Without the eventual decisive NATO intervention these maniacs would not have stopped their crimes against humanity.

Serbs, probably the quiet majority, did not support the atrocities in their name by extremists, just as within the Islamic world. No matter what you say I do not concur that the majority of today's Muslims support the terrorism / barbarism carried out in the name of Islam

Edited September 9, 2014 by simple1

[jacky54]

simple1 why are you always so quiet about the life of the prophet and the example he set that they all follow?

[boomerangutang]

Am not saying the murderer was doing drugs, but....

I've been hearing about some bizarre drugs (one called 'crocodile' because it dissolves body parts) - popular in southern Russia, which could cause a user to do such things. I don't know. It can also render users like zombies - lowers their thinking ability to a tadpole. Another type, popular in the US and elsewhere has variation under the name 'bath salts.' It gets people thinking demonic thoughts and believing they're 100% real.

Will humans find their demise in fire or ice? No. Weird drugs will be an even bigger factor - bigger overall than GW, war or disease, if you ask me.

Edited September 10, 2014 by boomerangutang

[boomerangutang]

No matter what you say I do not concur that the majority of today's Muslims support the terrorism / barbarism carried out in the name of Islam.

I agree the majority of Muslims don't support barbaric acts. However, their holiest book preaches it (it becomes a LAW), and by not speaking out dynamically against it, the moderates are tacitly approving it. Moderates need to dynamically try to shut down extremists. Is there 'excommunication' in Islam? For a start: Mothers, wives, sisters, daughters should completely cut off support and succor for any extremists in their families.

Personal example: a farang former-buddy of mine, middle aged who I'd known for over 2 decades and we have a lot of friends in common: When he came to reside in Thailand, he got regressively more screwed up to where he would borrow money (from every Thai and farang he could) and never pay back. He also knowingly spread venereal disease to girls and did other dastardly things. I formally de-friended him: I went to every person who knew us, and made a statement: 'he is no longer my friend, and I encourage you to have nothing to do with him.' I don't know where he is now, but thankfully he left town.

If moderate Muslims could start speaking out dynamically (maybe even take tangible action), then that might have an effect on the overall degenerating situation. By turning the other way (or making endless excuses) they're tacitly condoning it.

Edited September 10, 2014 by boomerangutang

[F430murci]

I repeat; if it turns out that you are all right that he was a Muslim fanatic looking for a non Muslim to kill as a symbolic statement of some kind, I will publicly eat as much humble pie as you require.

You mean like when you claimed over and over again that the IRA met with the UK government for "talks with no pre-conditions" and dr_lucas proved you wrong? You just kept insisting that you were right, despite conclusive evidence otherwise. Who actually believes that you will keep your word?

1) dr_lucas proved no such thing; he was talking about the official talks, I was talking about the unofficial talks which led to those official talks.

But don't let that stop you from bringing it up again and again; the whole truth is of no interest to you; only the edited bits you can use in your spin.

2) Whether you believe that I will keep my word or not; how about you. Will you publicly eat humble pie if, as I believe and all the evidence suggests, it turns out that this was not a religiously motivated attack?

3) How about all you others who pick out two facts from the evidence and ignore all the rest? Will you do the same?

Go on; commit yourselves if you are so sure that you are right.

You are always first to protect killers from certain folk here. In fact I find it fun to wait for your inevitable blabber, just brings a smile to my face......

Lol, it is kind of funny.

[simple1]

simple1 why are you always so quiet about the life of the prophet and the example he set that they all follow

There are numerous posters who shout about this issue and unless one uncritically & fully support their POV, accusations of being an apologist or some similar comment. Out of courtesy I will respond. If you feel it necessary to reply, I trust you also will extend a courteous reply.

Yep, some follow the examples of his activities as described in the Koran into the current era. e.g. child marriage & violence.

I am of the firm belief the large majority of Muslims do not subscribe or support the terrible violence that is now occurring in some parts of the world. Increasingly vocal Islamic country political leadership also refute the violence.

Muslim majority countries do have very high rates for child marriage, despite national legislation in place to address the issue. It's been fairly effective for the those with access to higher education, but not for the disenfranchised poor and those living in rural areas. Legislation is resisted by Imams, but not all. As Muslim politicians are able to enforce their authority and access to education becomes more available (there is a J curve trend), let's hope that this ugly sore is eventually healed.

I am not a subject matter expert of the Koran, but from my limited knowledge I do agree with the following quote, as I have done some research on the matter.

"Child marriage is against Islam as the Qur'an is clear that intellectual maturity is the basis for deciding age of marriage, and not puberty, as suggested by these clerics".

[nontabury]

Repeat, as this what this thread is about.

I work every day with a lot of Muslims here in Malaysia, non have tried to cut my head off.

Main problem here is crime relating to robbery, corruption and trafficking. Same you would find in most countries in this area of the world.

The UK seems to attract the nutters though.

In northern Iraq, numerous people were put to death as ISIS swept through the area. Shia, unacceptable Sunni, Christians, etc., were put to the sword or bullet. The thing is, most of the killing was done by neighbors, by people they had known all their lives. You have as little idea what the nature of this act was, nor do I. But the thread has value as people worry. People worry for a very good reason. People worry because all the voices screaming "Look at me, I am Peace... I am moderate" does not reconcile with our daily observations of genocide throughout the world.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-kurds-sunnis-20140908-story.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/13/world/meast/iraq-mountain-yazidi-refugees/

The same observation applies to the Serbs and other non Muslims in the Former Yugoslavia who murdered, raped, tortured, forced sexual slavery, ethnic cleansed their Muslims neighbours who they had known for generations. Without the eventual decisive NATO intervention these maniacs would not have stopped their crimes against humanity.

Serbs, probably the quiet majority, did not support the atrocities in their name by extremists, just as within the Islamic world. No matter what you say I do not concur that the majority of today's Muslims support the terrorism / barbarism carried out in the name of Islam

We can live in hope.

[boomerangutang]

simple1 why are you always so quiet about the life of the prophet and the example he set that they all follow

There are numerous posters who shout about this issue and unless one uncritically & fully support their POV, accusations of being an apologist or some similar comment. Out of courtesy I will respond. If you feel it necessary to reply, I trust you also will extend a courteous reply.

Yep, some follow the examples of his activities as described in the Koran into the current era. e.g. child marriage & violence.

I am of the firm belief the large majority of Muslims do not subscribe or support the terrible violence that is now occurring in some parts of the world. Increasingly vocal Islamic country political leadership also refute the violence.

Muslim majority countries do have very high rates for child marriage, despite national legislation in place to address the issue. It's been fairly effective for the those with access to higher education, but not for the disenfranchised poor and those living in rural areas. Legislation is resisted by Imams, but not all. As Muslim politicians are able to enforce their authority and access to education becomes more available (there is a J curve trend), let's hope that this ugly sore is eventually healed.

I am not a subject matter expert of the Koran, but from my limited knowledge I do agree with the following quote, as I have done some research on the matter.

"Child marriage is against Islam as the Qur'an is clear that intellectual maturity is the basis for deciding age of marriage, and not puberty, as suggested by these clerics".

It got me thinking about, for example; how nearly all Filipinos are Catholic, yet the majority (so I've heard) use condoms and are somewhat responsible about sexual escapades. That's completely contrary to the Vatican, in spite of the new Pope who likes to think of himself as progressive. So, if these religious people, Catholics and Muslims, don't agree with what their elder old men Imans/priests are promulgating, why don't the flock speak their minds? Actually, I know the answer to that: religionists/deists are duty-bound to follow what the old men say, even if it's divorced from reason, decency and reality.

[arjunadawn]

Repeat, as this what this thread is about.

I work every day with a lot of Muslims here in Malaysia, non have tried to cut my head off.

Main problem here is crime relating to robbery, corruption and trafficking. Same you would find in most countries in this area of the world.

The UK seems to attract the nutters though.

In northern Iraq, numerous people were put to death as ISIS swept through the area. Shia, unacceptable Sunni, Christians, etc., were put to the sword or bullet. The thing is, most of the killing was done by neighbors, by people they had known all their lives. You have as little idea what the nature of this act was, nor do I. But the thread has value as people worry. People worry for a very good reason. People worry because all the voices screaming "Look at me, I am Peace... I am moderate" does not reconcile with our daily observations of genocide throughout the world.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-kurds-sunnis-20140908-story.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/13/world/meast/iraq-mountain-yazidi-refugees/

The same observation applies to the Serbs and other non Muslims in the Former Yugoslavia who murdered, raped, tortured, forced sexual slavery, ethnic cleansed their Muslims neighbours who they had known for generations. Without the eventual decisive NATO intervention these maniacs would not have stopped their crimes against humanity.

Serbs, probably the quiet majority, did not support the atrocities in their name by extremists, just as within the Islamic world. No matter what you say I do not concur that the majority of today's Muslims support the terrorism / barbarism carried out in the name of Islam

We can live in hope.

Do you "hope" the sun will rise tomorrow or do you believe, with reasonable certainty, that it will rise tomorrow because it always has in the past? I hope my dog doesn't piss the carpet. I hope my check arrives on time. I hope the rains are not too heavy. I hope that Islam doesn't continue escalating and destroying every single thing I hold dear and cherish. I think no; I can't bring myself to apply "hope" to something of this magnitude.

If the dog pees, the check is late, and the floods come- we can survive. No one survives jihad unless they willfully offer themselves to slavery. This requires action.

[hard124get]

First Lee Rigby. And now this?

The UK really needs to wake up to this homegrown terror threat.

Police ruled our terrorism. Try to read slower. This happened because the man had a mental illness. Keep your hatred to yourself.

[Thorgal]

Repeat, as this what this thread is about.

I work every day with a lot of Muslims here in Malaysia, non have tried to cut my head off.

Main problem here is crime relating to robbery, corruption and trafficking. Same you would find in most countries in this area of the world.

The UK seems to attract the nutters though.

In northern Iraq, numerous people were put to death as ISIS swept through the area. Shia, unacceptable Sunni, Christians, etc., were put to the sword or bullet. The thing is, most of the killing was done by neighbors, by people they had known all their lives. You have as little idea what the nature of this act was, nor do I. But the thread has value as people worry. People worry for a very good reason. People worry because all the voices screaming "Look at me, I am Peace... I am moderate" does not reconcile with our daily observations of genocide throughout the world.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-kurds-sunnis-20140908-story.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/13/world/meast/iraq-mountain-yazidi-refugees/

The same observation applies to the Serbs and other non Muslims in the Former Yugoslavia who murdered, raped, tortured, forced sexual slavery, ethnic cleansed their Muslims neighbours who they had known for generations. Without the eventual decisive NATO intervention these maniacs would not have stopped their crimes against humanity.

Serbs, probably the quiet majority, did not support the atrocities in their name by extremists, just as within the Islamic world. No matter what you say I do not concur that the majority of today's Muslims support the terrorism / barbarism carried out in the name of Islam

We can live in hope.

Do you "hope" the sun will rise tomorrow or do you believe, with reasonable certainty, that it will rise tomorrow because it always has in the past? I hope my dog doesn't piss the carpet. I hope my check arrives on time. I hope the rains are not too heavy. I hope that Islam doesn't continue escalating and destroying every single thing I hold dear and cherish. I think no; I can't bring myself to apply "hope" to something of this magnitude.

If the dog pees, the check is late, and the floods come- we can survive. No one survives jihad unless they willfully offer themselves to slavery. This requires action.

Was this beheading in the OP a part of Jihad ?

Edited September 10, 2014 by Thorgal

[Steely Dan]

The shoe-bomber was not exactly sane either and he was a member of al-Qaeda. Most radicalized Westerners are loons that were losers in real life.

and it's a good thing he couldn't find his lighter too.