Why do Western men marry Thai girls of ill-repute?

[benalibina]

[quote name="Sigurris" post="8415623"

I have probably slept with more people than a lot of bg's I have also committed crimes (and paid my price to society). In my youth I was your mothers worst nightmare. But I changed. Cannot others be granted the opportunity to change?

This paragraph is worthy of a thread.

[dhream]

Same old same old from Thai visa. Buying a lady dinner is the same as prostitution. All women aspire to trapping a man into marriage and fleecing him.

No wonder people laugh at this place, and you guys couldn't get laid back home.

No, you are blatantly being disingenuous and downright misquoting in the above and you know it.

The remark about dinner is only used often as it serves to show how ridiculous YOUR morality is, not ours, just in a way your sunday-school mind can grasp. Alas, even that over-simplified example of how your morality splits hairs to a ridiculous degree, goes over your closed-minded little noggin.

If you are going to take the moral high ground you had better be BEYOND reproach in your own use of argument.

I'm sure people do laugh at this place (I presume you mean Thailand) but it's not because of the sex industry, which is a model of efficiency in a business sense. The entire nation would do well to adopt it as a benchmark, hell, it couldn't do any worse!

You are the one who sounds like you have not been laid in a very long time, buddy.

Look at all the fanatics of the world, hysterically tearing off heads and wanting it all their way, what is the one other glaring issue they have? They hate and fear the power of human sexuality, particularly as expressed through the female channel. They are miserable frothy-mouthed, murderous fruitcakes, if that is the end-product of sexual suppression, control, modesty, or whatever the hell you pretty it up as, you can keep it.

Your final remark is just childish, but hey, sunday-school in, sunday-school out...

You seem to enjoy this topic.

I'd rather be doing it than arguing about it! But yes, I spent my youth being ashamed of having a high sex-drive, feeling like a freak. I even sought out therapy, there I learned that i was just a normal red-blooded young guy who liked sex more than perhaps the average dude. My natural tendency is to be open and free 'Scandanavian' if you like, about sexuality, my religious upbringing crushed that healthy impulse and really screwed me up! I should have gone into the porn industry, I'm not kidding. 'Morality' is what held me back, and an irrational fear of 'what others might think' Looking back, it is my one regret. I'm trying to make up for it by living my later life on my own terms, and to hell with what 'they' think. That's why I am happy to be open on here, or anywhere, about who I am. I get stuck into the 'moral majority' at every opportunity. Having said all that, and to return to topic, marrying anyone, much less a sex worker, is not the wisest move a guy can make, don't do it unless you want to be a Dad. Re-marriage is another thing I will do my utmost to avoid going forward. The one good thing I did was not have kids, and get a vasectomy at 45. I've never looked back!

[smotherb]

I've never paid a bar fine, or had anything to do with prostitution in any form.

Not everyone came here for the women.

Good for you. However, what connection does that make to answering the OPs question?

[Thai at Heart]

Same old same old from Thai visa. Buying a lady dinner is the same as prostitution. All women aspire to trapping a man into marriage and fleecing him.

No wonder people laugh at this place, and you guys couldn't get laid back home.

No, you are blatantly being disingenuous and downright misquoting in the above and you know it.

The remark about dinner is only used often as it serves to show how ridiculous YOUR morality is, not ours, just in a way your sunday-school mind can grasp. Alas, even that over-simplified example of how your morality splits hairs to a ridiculous degree, goes over your closed-minded little noggin.

If you are going to take the moral high ground you had better be BEYOND reproach in your own use of argument.

I'm sure people do laugh at this place (I presume you mean Thailand) but it's not because of the sex industry, which is a model of efficiency in a business sense. The entire nation would do well to adopt it as a benchmark, hell, it couldn't do any worse!

You are the one who sounds like you have not been laid in a very long time, buddy.

Look at all the fanatics of the world, hysterically tearing off heads and wanting it all their way, what is the one other glaring issue they have? They hate and fear the power of human sexuality, particularly as expressed through the female channel. They are miserable frothy-mouthed, murderous fruitcakes, if that is the end-product of sexual suppression, control, modesty, or whatever the hell you pretty it up as, you can keep it.

Your final remark is just childish, but hey, sunday-school in, sunday-school out...

You seem to enjoy this topic.

I'd rather be doing it than arguing about it! But yes, I spent my youth being ashamed of having a high sex-drive, feeling like a freak. I even sought out therapy, there I learned that i was just a normal red-blooded young guy who liked sex more than perhaps the average dude. My natural tendency is to be open and free 'Scandanavian' if you like, about sexuality, my religious upbringing crushed that healthy impulse and really screwed me up! I should have gone into the porn industry, I'm not kidding. 'Morality' is what held me back, and an irrational fear of 'what others might think' Looking back, it is my one regret. I'm trying to make up for it by living my later life on my own terms, and to hell with what 'they' think. That's why I am happy to be open on here, or anywhere, about who I am. I get stuck into the 'moral majority' at every opportunity. Having said all that, and to return to topic, marrying anyone, much less a sex worker, is not the wisest move a guy can make, don't do it unless you want to be a Dad. Re-marriage is another thing I will do my utmost to avoid going forward. The one good thing I did was not have kids, and get a vasectomy at 45. I've never looked back!

What does this have to do with marrying girls from this industry and why do some happily do it and others not.

I don't moralise about girls going into this industry. I feel sad that most probably have to with no other choice. But neither do I feel it makes them good marriage material. So why do some not care about the obvious issues and marry anyway.

Braver men than me, that's for sure.

[dhream]

Why is it too harsh?

I think it's funny the way some hide behind ridiculous euphemisms like bar girl, naughty nightlife etc as if somehow makes what they're doing more palatable. They're whores, and you're a whoremonger. If you're willing to parade down the street with one, you might as well be honest about it.

One thing we agree on.

They're whores, and I am a whoremonger.

And your precise problem with their, and my, life choices is?

PS: We already know from your one-liner brain farts that you are a moralistic bore, busybody, ignoramus, less than honest when it comes to mounting your arguments, and a frustrated hypocrite.

Edited September 21, 2014 by dhream

[dhream]

@TaH

No, most do NOT 'have to do it with no other choice'. Thailand has so much legitimate work, she imports (illegal) labour. It is, granted, in many but not all cases, poorly paid harsh manual labour, but to say there are 'no other choices' is yet another ill thought out argument. Many BKK office and factory worker types even moonlight as hookers, a fact well known to guys who buy their pleasures. Please, if you don't know what you are talking about, stop making assumptions. Is that on-topic enough for you?

[huawei]

Why is it too harsh?

I think it's funny the way some hide behind ridiculous euphemisms like bar girl, naughty nightlife etc as if somehow makes what they're doing more palatable. They're whores, and you're a whoremonger. If you're willing to parade down the street with one, you might as well be honest about it.

One thing we agree on.

They're whores, and I am a whoremonger.

And your precise problem with their, and my, life choices is?

PS: We already know fom your posts you are an unwelcome moralistic bore, busybody, ignoramus, less than honest when it comes to mounting your arguments, and a frustrated hypocrite.

The trouble with whoremongers is that they think they can bring them back to a building where decent families live and have normal lives. They are oblivious to moral status of others , you can't live in a bubble . There has been problems in our condo where a guy works fly in fly out, let's his hooker stay there when he is not there and of course she acts accordingly. It isn't a pleasant experience, the Thais complain and hope I tell the farang..very very nice guy. I don't want my daughter confronted with this crap behaviour.So please don't go on about morals.

Whoremongers in general think in a very narrow view of Thai women and Thai society .

So your life choice can affect others!

[Thai at Heart]

@TaH

No, most do NOT 'have to do it with no other choice'. Thailand has so much legitimate work, she imports (illegal) labour. It is, granted, in many but not all cases, poorly paid harsh manual labour, but to say there are 'no other choices' is yet another ill thought out argument. Many BKK office and factory worker types even moonlight as hookers, a fact well known to guys who buy their pleasures. Please, if you don't know what you are talking about, stop making assumptions. Is that on-topic enough for you?

Beleive what u like.

If you really believe that most are there voluntarily, I sadly say, keep deluding yourself.

If there were better paying jobs, something akin to child support and the like, there would not be an industry a quarter the size that it is today in Thailand.

Most are in it for the money, not for the love of the game. Its a job some could say, but what clients see on one side versus the squalor, danger and suffering on the other is in vast contrast.

High class hookers selling themselves versus the bamboo hut in a truck stop is hardly comparable is it. And beleive me there are thousands in truck stops for every so called Chula girl wanting a Louis Vuitton handbag.

At the high end it may appear victimless,but you don't have to step to far down the ladder to get into a really seedy dangerous life for these girls.

Hell it's dangerous and dodgy enough at the top of that business.

[dhream]

Why is it too harsh?

I think it's funny the way some hide behind ridiculous euphemisms like bar girl, naughty nightlife etc as if somehow makes what they're doing more palatable. They're whores, and you're a whoremonger. If you're willing to parade down the street with one, you might as well be honest about it.

One thing we agree on.

They're whores, and I am a whoremonger.

And your precise problem with their, and my, life choices is?

PS: We already know fom your posts you are an unwelcome moralistic bore, busybody, ignoramus, less than honest when it comes to mounting your arguments, and a frustrated hypocrite.

The trouble with whoremongers is that they think they can bring them back to a building where decent families live and have normal lives. They are oblivious to moral status of others , you can't live in a bubble . There has been problems in our condo where a guy works fly in fly out, let's his hooker stay there when he is not there and of course she acts accordingly. It isn't a pleasant experience, the Thais complain and hope I tell the farang..very very nice guy. I don't want my daughter confronted with this crap behaviour.So please don't go on about morals.

Whoremongers in general think in a very narrow view of Thai women and Thai society .

So your life choice can affect others!

The trouble with NIMBYS is they take the bad behaviour of someones whore (I'm guessing this was a one-off incident and you are exaggerating for effect) and then blame the entire whoremonger population, who as you well know, usually go out of their way to be discreet for reasons obvious to all.

Live in abubble? Oh come on! You are upset precisely because your family-friendly bubble is burst, albeit fleetingly.

And do please enlighten me as to what a hooker does that is so offensive to your sensibilities, when she 'acts accordingly'? Did she put out the fairy lights and barstool and start yelling Wel-caaam!?

Lets assume (since you are too much of a milk-sop to come out with it) she wears heels and minis in front of your kid and that's embarrassing for you because YOU are all messed up about sex, but the kid don't even see her, because they are not sexually aware yet. I don't see a problem here, it's in your head, buddy.

How about you grow a pair and confront the miscreants instead of attacking me Pilgrim?

What would you know about how I, or any other monger thinks about (non sex-working) Thai women and society?

For your information, the vast majority of whores in Thailand are busy servicing Thai men, so yet again, we hear from a poster who has no idea about Thai society crapping on like a fool. We white mongers are not all beer-swilling louts on a tourist visa, mate. And as usual, the big ignorant closed-minded generlization brush comes out, to damn us all. Everyones life choices can affect others, your cooking odors could diminish my enjoyment of the cool evening air. Driving a car while drunk being an exaple with far greater consequences than having your moral feathers ruffled. I don't like the way you and your kind think you have some devine right to go about dictating how I should live my life behind closed doors, so if sometimes some whoremonger and his whore have the temerity to blight your vision by using the same sidewalk as you, you're just going to have to man (or woman) up and cope with it. :-)

Edited September 21, 2014 by dhream

[dhream]

@TaH

No, most do NOT 'have to do it with no other choice'. Thailand has so much legitimate work, she imports (illegal) labour. It is, granted, in many but not all cases, poorly paid harsh manual labour, but to say there are 'no other choices' is yet another ill thought out argument. Many BKK office and factory worker types even moonlight as hookers, a fact well known to guys who buy their pleasures. Please, if you don't know what you are talking about, stop making assumptions. Is that on-topic enough for you?

Beleive what u like.

If you really believe that most are there voluntarily, I sadly say, keep deluding yourself.

If there were better paying jobs, something akin to child support and the like, there would not be an industry a quarter the size that it is today in Thailand.

Most are in it for the money, not for the love of the game. Its a job some could say, but what clients see on one side versus the squalor, danger and suffering on the other is in vast contrast.

High class hookers selling themselves versus the bamboo hut in a truck stop is hardly comparable is it. And beleive me there are thousands in truck stops for every so called Chula girl wanting a Louis Vuitton handbag.

At the high end it may appear victimless,but you don't have to step to far down the ladder to get into a really seedy dangerous life for these girls.

Hell it's dangerous and dodgy enough at the top of that business.

'Belief' ends with Santa Claus where I'm coming from.

I deal with hard reality. Most are there voluntarily. I speak to them, I observe their body language, I hear who calls them on the phone when they are with me, and a dozen other clues in their enviornments, you don't. Capiche?

Has it ever occurred to you that if the industry (that will never ever go away) was legalized, taxed, policed, and regulated, that the 'victim' issue would dissapear overnight?

Why are the vast majority of well behaved customers blamed for the plight of the victims that your morality and your senseless laws create?

So, what is your point? if you are so bent out of shape, don't argue on here, go rescue 'em. They'll likely kick you in the crotch for your trouble.

[dhream]

I've never paid a bar fine, or had anything to do with prostitution in any form.

Not everyone came here for the women.

Good for you. However, what connection does that make to answering the OPs question?

smotherb,

Soibiker is just letting us all know that his lily-white sexual existence makes him a superior being to we untermensch.

Naturally, this qualifies mr supercilious to pass unequivocal judgement, and regale us with his sactimonoius and self-righteous one-liners, and bore us boneless with his profound distaste for pay-to-play, or as he so bravely calls it, prostitution and whores.

Since he keeps us in breathtaking suspense guessing whether he is studying Thai, taking cooking-classes, admiring the temples, passing thru on his troll-bike world tour, or bothering Bhuddists with his version of salvation, while, in case you forgot, not having anything to do with prostitution, 'in any form', mind you, not even a sneaky happy-ending, we may never know...

We can only marvel at his prowess with getting laid for free, presumably, only at 'home', lest he accidentally gets a 'freebie' from a local whore, thus technically blotting his G-rated journal, his skill on a bicycle, his unparallelled knowledge of the murky underbelly of the commercial sex trade, and his ipad of righteous wrath that hath verbally smote us sodomites, catamites, stalactites and vegemites.

I hope he has the generosity of spirit to invite us to his wedding when he finally finds the Thai whore of his dreams.

[dhream]

One place I used to go to occasionally at Silom (has live boxing matches which is why I went) had plenty of "dancers" and most of them said they did drugs because it kept them awake and made things "easier" for them and kept them in a good mood.

Ronn,

Do I understand this correctly?

You frequented muay thai boxing matches, which happened to have "dancers" in attendance, who happened to start telling you the intimate details of their lives, and who just happened to freely admit to you (a total stranger) that they habitually use drugs?

There are several things about this story which just didn't ring true for me.

First, drug abuse in Thailand carries such stiff penalties, most people I've ever known are super tight-lipped about anything to do with narcotics. It's just really hard for me to believe that any Thai, (much less the girl after girl you're claiming) would speak this openly about such a taboo and peril fraught subject.

Secondly, when I consider that quite a number of the girls who work in bars come from small villages, such frank and candid confessions seems all the more unlikely. From the time a person is knee high, everyone knows the importance of being circumspect, because if you tell one person in the village, soon everyone will know your secret. I'm just left wondering how come everyone is so unusually unguarded and recklessly indiscreet around you.

Finally, I am struggling to come up with what would motive a girl to admit she had a drug habit. It certainly wouldn't make her more attractive in a potential customer's eyes. She might just as well be discussing her gynecological problems or STD history with a customer.

So I have to ask: 'Are you sure that some of the anecdotal evidence you're presenting here hasn't been concocted or exaggerated in order to unfairly bolster the case you are trying to make?'

You don't seem to understand Thai culture that well, in my opinion. I used to go to that bar with a few of my employees to "wind up the week" and the women I spoke with were surprisingly candid about it although it's not something they'd blurt out for other people in the bar to hear. It could be that you have a language barrier to deal with and that would limit your ability to really get to know the girls in these establishments. This is not the case for me as I am fluent in Thai and can read and write the language. And these girls aren't as stupid as you might think. Many, if not most, of them are street smart and they know who they can trust and who they can't. You might be surprised to know that quite a few of these bars are at least partially owned by police and ALL of them are controlled or allowed to operate because of police cooperation so when ecstasy or meth or other drugs are used in an establishment it's because the police allow it so it's not as if the girls are going around terrified that there's going to be a drug raid or anything. Got it?

I'd be careful where you are taking this conversation Ronn...

Edited September 21, 2014 by dhream

[dhream]

I would imagine by the time they marry, their past is behind them and is of no consequence.

Nonsense, they (the losers) would not marry a prostitute from their own countries.

And this monumental leap of logic and presumption, Munger, is based on what evidence?

Do you mean they (the losers) could not AFFORD to marry a pro from their own countries?

Prostitutes are (usually) women by gender, and prostitutes by profession.

Which may be bleeding obvious to some, but is clearly lost on many.

Edited September 21, 2014 by dhream

[dhream]

What I don't get, and ain't don't mean to offend anyone, but couples get married, where the guy usually doesn't speak Thai and the girl doesn't usually speak English? So what a the common ground?

Afrikaans?

[dhream]

What ill repute are you referring to OP?

These girls are making a way of living and most of the time they do it out of necessity for a better life for their families and kids and not because they like to go to bed with any Tom Dick and Harry.

But they are humans as you and me and it is proven that they can be much better wives and mothers than some respectable other women.

I have a lot of people that I know that have been married to these ill repute girls as you put it and have a wonderful life.

These girls are looking for an easy way out and for the better of themselves.

Most of the men I know who married such women are not with them anymore. The thing is, if they are willing to marry one of their clients, they are willing to screw him over too, usually once a house has been built.

The truth and commonality of this, including in some cases the actual murder of the hapless hookers husband by relatives, shoots down a lot of the bleeding heart 'victim' posts written here...

[SoiBiker]

I've never paid a bar fine, or had anything to do with prostitution in any form.

Not everyone came here for the women.

Good for you. However, what connection does that make to answering the OPs question?

smotherb,

Soibiker is just letting us all know that his lily-white sexual existence makes him a superior being to we untermensch.

Naturally, this qualifies mr supercilious to pass unequivocal judgement, and regale us with his sactimonoius and self-righteous one-liners, and bore us boneless with his profound distaste for pay-to-play, or as he so bravely calls it, prostitution and whores.

Since he keeps us in breathtaking suspense guessing whether he is studying Thai, taking cooking-classes, admiring the temples, passing thru on his troll-bike world tour, or bothering Bhuddists with his version of salvation, while, in case you forgot, not having anything to do with prostitution, 'in any form', mind you, not even a sneaky happy-ending, we may never know...

We can only marvel at his prowess with getting laid for free, presumably, only at 'home', lest he accidentally gets a 'freebie' from a local whore, thus technically blotting his G-rated journal, his skill on a bicycle, his unparallelled knowledge of the murky underbelly of the commercial sex trade, and his ipad of righteous wrath that hath verbally smote us sodomites, catamites, stalactites and vegemites.

I hope he has the generosity of spirit to invite us to his wedding when he finally finds the Thai whore of his dreams.

I'm already married.

[dhream]

A poster said that a girl who worked in a bar would continue that behaviour when she left the bar and married i.e. sleeping with other men whilst the husband is at work. To me that suggests that bar girls are in it for the sex only. My experience here (7 years f/t) is that Thais will seperate work from the personal in a way westerners cannot comprehend. For instance a tourist who barfines a girl then moves on to the next one will be called a butterfly and the girl will be jealous or put out that he didn't come back to her. Yet she does not consider herself in the same way because she is working.That is the seperation.

So when she leaves the bar she leaves the work aspect of sex behind and is probably glad not to have to satisfy other men. So I see no reason that she could not be a loving wife and mother. In fact, given her history she could be even better as she knows what she will have to do if her marriage fails.

I know this is not true of all bargirls and I do realise some are just money grabbers and party animals. But remember the majority would give up the bar in a heartbeat for security and love. Having a boyfriend or husband brings status and happiness in a society of people who don't like to be alone for anything.

Yes, this is certainly true in my experience, Sigurris.

[SoiBiker]

Same old same old from Thai visa. Buying a lady dinner is the same as prostitution. All women aspire to trapping a man into marriage and fleecing him.

No wonder people laugh at this place, and you guys couldn't get laid back home.

No, you are blatantly being disingenuous and downright misquoting in the above and you know it.

The remark about dinner is only used often as it serves to show how ridiculous YOUR morality is, not ours, just in a way your sunday-school mind can grasp. Alas, even that over-simplified example of how your morality splits hairs to a ridiculous degree, goes over your closed-minded little noggin.

If you are going to take the moral high ground you had better be BEYOND reproach in your own use of argument.

I'm sure people do laugh at this place (I presume you mean Thailand) but it's not because of the sex industry, which is a model of efficiency in a business sense. The entire nation would do well to adopt it as a benchmark, hell, it couldn't do any worse!

You are the one who sounds like you have not been laid in a very long time, buddy.

Look at all the fanatics of the world, hysterically tearing off heads and wanting it all their way, what is the one other glaring issue they have? They hate and fear the power of human sexuality, particularly as expressed through the female channel. They are miserable frothy-mouthed, murderous fruitcakes, if that is the end-product of sexual suppression, control, modesty, or whatever the hell you pretty it up as, you can keep it.

Your final remark is just childish, but hey, sunday-school in, sunday-school out...

By 'this place', I meant Thai Visa.

[dhream]

I've never paid a bar fine, or had anything to do with prostitution in any form.

Not everyone came here for the women.

Good for you. However, what connection does that make to answering the OPs question?

smotherb,

Soibiker is just letting us all know that his lily-white sexual existence makes him a superior being to we untermensch.

Naturally, this qualifies mr supercilious to pass unequivocal judgement, and regale us with his sactimonoius and self-righteous one-liners, and bore us boneless with his profound distaste for pay-to-play, or as he so bravely calls it, prostitution and whores.

Since he keeps us in breathtaking suspense guessing whether he is studying Thai, taking cooking-classes, admiring the temples, passing thru on his troll-bike world tour, or bothering Bhuddists with his version of salvation, while, in case you forgot, not having anything to do with prostitution, 'in any form', mind you, not even a sneaky happy-ending, we may never know...

We can only marvel at his prowess with getting laid for free, presumably, only at 'home', lest he accidentally gets a 'freebie' from a local whore, thus technically blotting his G-rated journal, his skill on a bicycle, his unparallelled knowledge of the murky underbelly of the commercial sex trade, and his ipad of righteous wrath that hath verbally smote us sodomites, catamites, stalactites and vegemites.

I hope he has the generosity of spirit to invite us to his wedding when he finally finds the Thai whore of his dreams.

I'm already married.

Oh that explains why you're a miserable, judgemental, so and so, my condolences.

[dhream]

Same old same old from Thai visa. Buying a lady dinner is the same as prostitution. All women aspire to trapping a man into marriage and fleecing him.

No wonder people laugh at this place, and you guys couldn't get laid back home.

No, you are blatantly being disingenuous and downright misquoting in the above and you know it.

The remark about dinner is only used often as it serves to show how ridiculous YOUR morality is, not ours, just in a way your sunday-school mind can grasp. Alas, even that over-simplified example of how your morality splits hairs to a ridiculous degree, goes over your closed-minded little noggin.

If you are going to take the moral high ground you had better be BEYOND reproach in your own use of argument.

I'm sure people do laugh at this place (I presume you mean Thailand) but it's not because of the sex industry, which is a model of efficiency in a business sense. The entire nation would do well to adopt it as a benchmark, hell, it couldn't do any worse!

You are the one who sounds like you have not been laid in a very long time, buddy.

Look at all the fanatics of the world, hysterically tearing off heads and wanting it all their way, what is the one other glaring issue they have? They hate and fear the power of human sexuality, particularly as expressed through the female channel. They are miserable frothy-mouthed, murderous fruitcakes, if that is the end-product of sexual suppression, control, modesty, or whatever the hell you pretty it up as, you can keep it.

Your final remark is just childish, but hey, sunday-school in, sunday-school out...

By 'this place', I meant Thai Visa.

If this is the best you can do in your defence, I'll take pity on you. Poor sod, you have enough on your plate as it is, getting over your prejudices and self-loathing...

[AnotherOneAmerican]

A poster said that a girl who worked in a bar would continue that behaviour when she left the bar and married i.e. sleeping with other men whilst the husband is at work. To me that suggests that bar girls are in it for the sex only. My experience here (7 years f/t) is that Thais will seperate work from the personal in a way westerners cannot comprehend. For instance a tourist who barfines a girl then moves on to the next one will be called a butterfly and the girl will be jealous or put out that he didn't come back to her. Yet she does not consider herself in the same way because she is working.That is the seperation.

An alternative (and more likely) view would be she sees the husband as just another customer.

The sleeping around, is just overtime.

She doesn't enjoy any of it, it's just a job.

A bit like a builder working for one company, doing a bit of freelancing in his evenings and weekends.

[SoiBiker]

Same old same old from Thai visa. Buying a lady dinner is the same as prostitution. All women aspire to trapping a man into marriage and fleecing him.

No wonder people laugh at this place, and you guys couldn't get laid back home.

No, you are blatantly being disingenuous and downright misquoting in the above and you know it.

The remark about dinner is only used often as it serves to show how ridiculous YOUR morality is, not ours, just in a way your sunday-school mind can grasp. Alas, even that over-simplified example of how your morality splits hairs to a ridiculous degree, goes over your closed-minded little noggin.

If you are going to take the moral high ground you had better be BEYOND reproach in your own use of argument.

I'm sure people do laugh at this place (I presume you mean Thailand) but it's not because of the sex industry, which is a model of efficiency in a business sense. The entire nation would do well to adopt it as a benchmark, hell, it couldn't do any worse!

You are the one who sounds like you have not been laid in a very long time, buddy.

Look at all the fanatics of the world, hysterically tearing off heads and wanting it all their way, what is the one other glaring issue they have? They hate and fear the power of human sexuality, particularly as expressed through the female channel. They are miserable frothy-mouthed, murderous fruitcakes, if that is the end-product of sexual suppression, control, modesty, or whatever the hell you pretty it up as, you can keep it.

Your final remark is just childish, but hey, sunday-school in, sunday-school out...

By 'this place', I meant Thai Visa.

If this is the best you can do in your defence, I'll take pity on you. Poor sod, you have enough on your plate as it is, getting over your prejudices and self-loathing...

Why would I be defending myself? Just correcting your misapprehension.

[uptheos]

If they enjoyed it, you wouldn't have to pay them.

If they didn't at least pretend they enjoyed it, you wouldn't return.

No farang wants to lose face.

[thailiketoo]

If they enjoyed it, you wouldn't have to pay them.

Ha ha ha. You have to read Sticks weekly this week. Talk about enjoyment.