thetintedman Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Hi all, I had 5 immigration officers come to my home today. My home is also my business address. I have a Thai company, its addressed to my home and I'm now into my second year. I pay my taxes every month to my accountant (work permit) and I just recieved my second year visa. I also paid for 4 Thai staff's social security to secure my visa, but I do not have Thai staff as such. I'm a small business (work from my computer) that is just starting up again after a failure on the first attempt. I've also just given the accountant my work permit to renew another year. When the immigration came to my home they asked me do I live here? I said yes. They asked do I work here? I said yes They asked what I did? I told them. They asked for my passport? I gave it to them and they held it to the end and studied every page while talking to one another. They asked me to get one of my staff? I could not get them because they were all working in there other jobs (I used them to get my permit as my accountant advised) I did not tell the officers this, but I just told them they are away and I could not get in contact with them. They asked for my work permit? I gave them a copy. I also got them to speak to my accountant because I was concerned about the way they were acting when i told them i could not contact my staff. They talked to them but after my accountant told me I should not have told them anything. This does not sound right to me and I did not want to lie to them because they had my passport and asked me many questions. Anyway, after 45 minutes they left and shock my hand and said everything is ok. My question is this- 1. Did I do the right things? If not, what should have I done? 2. Is there a possibility that I may have issues in the coming days or weeks? 3. Do I have anything to worry about? Thanks guys, maybe I'm overreacting and its just a routine visit but it was all a bit weird. Please comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalchromakey Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 If Samui is anything like Phuket, then these guys were trying a shake down, these kind of visits are far from routine; they may well not be from Immigration or they may have been 'working' on their day off.. Are you sure they were really from Immigration, were they wearing the correct uniforms and did you check ID and note down names? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetintedman Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 Thanks for the comment. They were in smart casual clothing and all wearing immigation badges. I should have checked there cards but I completely forgot and a little nervous. They seemed to be the real deal and my accountant confirmed this. Do you think all is ok? They did not ask for anything like $$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetintedman Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 Lol. So Im over reacting then. lol. Ok, cool. Time for a beer then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalchromakey Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Thanks for the comment. They were in smart casual clothing and all wearing immigation badges. I should have checked there cards but I completely forgot and a little nervous. They seemed to be the real deal and my accountant confirmed this. Do you think all is ok? They did not ask for anything like $$$ Not sure; in Phuket, visits like that have been made in the past by crooks (not immigration) looking to extort money, perhaps they left because they couldn't find an angle. You might be surprised that there are fake cops operating out there and also perhaps more controversially that some police in Phuket have been caught recently and have now been charged for doing bogus WP 'infringement' shake downs on dive company employers/employees. Perhaps Samui is different from Phuket. Edited September 11, 2014 by digitalchromakey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ukrules Posted September 11, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2014 This would have ended up very differently if they came knocking on my door. For a start they would have been told to go away and no doubt it would have went downhill from there... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thai at Heart Posted September 11, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2014 If you have employees who are not really employees then technically it is not within the rules. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post paz Posted September 11, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2014 Thanks guys, maybe I'm overreacting and its just a routine visit but it was all a bit weird. Please comment Why weird. You have a sham company and they came to see if all the pretenses you made had any credibility, of course that is not the case. Your accountant will advise you if additional payments will be now required an you will continue to pay up. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post yankee99 Posted September 11, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2014 I think the first thing you should do is dial your accountant and hand them the phone. At least thats what my accountant said to do. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I think the first thing you should do is dial your accountant and hand them the phone. At least thats what my accountant said to do. No hurry, they know beforehand who the accountant is. The right time for negotiations is after the inspection is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post beautifulthailand99 Posted September 11, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2014 Is openly admitting this on a publically accesible internet forum a wise thng to do - there are a lot of jealous farangs around who would happily dob you in. If I was you I would ask the mods to delete it and move on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulfsailor Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Is openly admitting this on a publically accesible internet forum a wise thng to do - there are a lot of jealous farangs around who would happily dob you in. If I was you I would ask the mods to delete it and move on. One of the inspector ladies who deals with the non-b extensions (very friendly and helpful lady) at Samui immigration once referenced ThaiVisa forum in a conversation I had with her. Don't know if she is a regular reader, but they certainly are aware of it. Especially since the so called 'birdman' at Samui immi is a reoccurring subject in the Samui forum. I never had the pleasure to deal with him (yet). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tokay Posted September 11, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2014 Sham company or not, unless a fleet of them pull up in legit police cars/trucks, NO ONE is ever, and I mean EVER coming inside of my house, or will I even open the door for them. There are simply too many fake (and crooked) police running around Thailand trying to shake people down to trust such a thing. If you want in my property, even to talk to me, come with a warrant and the correct police vehicles. Even then, I'm calling the local police to confirm you are legit. I've had to deal with the police a few times in my decade of staying here. The one thing I've learned is, if you let them bully you, they will. But if you stand your ground and bully back, politely but firm, they have always left me alone. It also helps if you speak enough Thai to converse with them. It amazes me how many people cower to these shake down thugs. And that is exactly why they continue to do it. If you have a sham company or are working here illegally, plan accordingly and protect yourself. If you give them a reason or a rope to hang you, chances are, they will try. Don't be afraid of them, they are just trying to bully their way into a payment. One thing you will notice about Thai police is, they don't bust down doors. They come knocking or enter your premise if it's a business. Use security doors, gates, dogs, and CCTV to your advantage. Criminals ALWAYS prey on the low hanging fruit (easy targets). Don't be an easy target. One last thing... never, ever use your home address for your place of business. You an rent a cheap tiny office space to list for 5000b or less depending on where you are. Otherwise, they do come to your home. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vtjforyou Posted September 11, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2014 You work from home and wanted to go the legal way ? Ridiculous and look at the result, when actually nobody would have ever heard about you if you just remained invisible ! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enuff said Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 . Hmmmm. I thought that when you start a business you have to supply exterior photos of your biz address, interiors of your offices including desks and work stations for staff. I have read posts from others here who say they have to supply an organization chart showing Thai partners and all positions held. Is the OP aware of this? How can you just pay the taxes on bogus employees and never actually employ them or pay actual wages? Just wunnerin'. 'nuff said ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiReal Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 @the tidedmen - good luck yesterday. I know cases where Bangkok-Immigration checked Business-Visa Farangs, if there is any Nominee (your case) or not. They have the power to cancel a Visa right a way, 1 week to left the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OOLEEBER Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 They swing round my place once a year or so. They mostly ask my wife the questions and I show them the business registrations of my two UK companies and explain this where I get my income from. I thought it was normal that they come check now and again and I'm in the sticks up north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredNL Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) Something similar happened yesterday at the office of the company where I am a shareholder in. I received a phone call around 8:30 AM telling me that I have to open the door to sign for some documents coming from another country. I told them that I would send someone to sign for it while I am not around. This was not possible because it was addressed to me. I also told them that I did not know any thing about any documents that were addressed to me while I am not working in/for the company. I called the company manager to check it out. When she was there around 9 AM to sign for the documents, they identified themselves as police and they wanted to see me. They were wearing plain clothes. She told them that I never come to the office and that I am not allowed to sign any papers for the company because I am only an investor in the company. It seems that they were trying to trick me. The only way that they could have found my (private) phone number, the company address and my full names was at the registration at BDB. So, my advice to all the foreigners in business in Thailand. Beware !!! Edited September 12, 2014 by FredNL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFishman1 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 We live in a Police Stste no surprise. I would never talk to them I would just of made a phone call 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post digitalchromakey Posted September 12, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2014 . Hmmmm. I thought that when you start a business you have to supply exterior photos of your biz address, interiors of your offices including desks and work stations for staff. I have read posts from others here who say they have to supply an organization chart showing Thai partners and all positions held. Is the OP aware of this? How can you just pay the taxes on bogus employees and never actually employ them or pay actual wages? Just wunnerin'. 'nuff said ~ For those that are just 'wunnerin' .... Why are a number of posters assuming that the OP has a 'bogus' company. It is quite legitimate to employ people part time and file papers accordingly, employees can be part time. If the regulations require 4x employees then social insurance payments must be made and evidenced accordingly, but income tax is only due if the employee's salary exceeds a certain threshold and thus an employer can file monthly PND1s showing no salary tax due for those staff. In my experience, no evidence is ever requested as regards staff employment contracts or salary paid - this is how it works. Let's not be hard on the OP who is obviously concerned to be legit and may well have been subject to shakedown attempt, which if it is the case then is the only truly wrong thing that has happened here. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBensen Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Read the law on the topic, then stand up against the bullsh!t they try to tell you to extort baht. I had a cop pull me over and tell me I needed an international driving licence and my Australian licence didn't matter. Not true when there is treaty about this between Thailand and the country from where the licence is issued as stated in the Thai traffic act. I argued and he, continued on with some excuse but 'kindly' said thus time no fine. Maybe because I asked for the reason for the fine to be listed on the ticket, and asked where is the closest police post. With the support of the PM General Prayuth, its time everyone helps to rid this good land of the corrupt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBensen Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I meant to say ... "closest army post" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximillian Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 OP, you should not have told the story on internet. Better ask the moderation to delete all. The sooner the better. And get your company fully legal or stop it all. Five officers ? They must have come from Suratthani. Never knew there were so many at the immigration office in Nathon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sena Dave Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I assume your accountant does you Tax claim, if you can't read Thai you'll have no idea how he's cooking the books 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crazykopite Posted September 12, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2014 I live on Samui and in the last 5 years I had a visit just the once from immigration they were in smart dress and had the correct IDs which were clearly displayed they asked for our passports asked a few questions had a glass of water and bid us farewell . The main man gave us a phone number and asked us if we saw anything unusual going on in the area to call this number regardless of the time , we live up in the jungle I think they were on the lookout for illegal workers. I would not worry to much if I were you if they spoke with your accountant and they then bid you a good day it sounds as of they were happy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalchromakey Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 OP, you should not have told the story on internet. Better ask the moderation to delete all. The sooner the better. And get your company fully legal or stop it all. Five officers ? They must have come from Suratthani. Never knew there were so many at the immigration office in Nathon. What makes you think that these guys were on legitimate business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazykopite Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I have heard that the military are on the island giving people two weeks notice to remove signs,scooters , and any extensions that come over the building line so maybe they are having a crackdown for the next few weeks like they were doing in Phuket and Pattaya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasa Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 We live in a Police Stste no surprise. I would never talk to them I would just of made a phone call To who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalchromakey Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I have heard that the military are on the island giving people two weeks notice to remove signs,scooters , and any extensions that come over the building line so maybe they are having a crackdown for the next few weeks like they were doing in Phuket and Pattaya. Well in Phuket, legitimate businesses have had much fewer issues like this since the army have been around. it seems that the crooks are genuinely frightened as to the consequences and have really kept their heads down/disappeared. As the for the army, these guys have been nothing other than courteous and well behaved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOD Robin Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 OP is not a clever guy. Stating he has 4 employees and can not reach ONE of them, not even by phone ? How ridiculous can one act, com'on ! Also if you "work from home" on your computer, WHY wake up sleeping dogs by applying for Work permit and other stuff ??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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