Scottish independence: Decision day

[3NUMBAS]

what do the exchanges pay for scotch notes in BKK ??anyone know ??

or are they bum paper already

[Franky Bear]

Sterling has just jumped..there's the indication ..

For a thick-o like me what does that indicate?

[jpinx]

By refusing to accept Salmond's offer, is it just possible Cameron called his bluff?

What bluff? Cameron was offered a winning hand, but refused it and cost the UK as a whole a lot of time and money running this referendum

[huawei]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11081025/Scottish-independence-campaign-live.html

Yes. 53%.

[3NUMBAS]

Is there anywhere to watch the results coming in? Swingometer or something?

Apparently there's no exit polling so no predicitions possible. But you only have about 6 hours from end of polling to results

aye but theres Glaswegian Headbuttys available for free for wrong voters

Vote Yes Or Else! Attempts to intimidate the No voters in full force with graffiti on polling station walls and Yes supporter arrested for alleged assault as millions go to the polls to decide the future of the Union

• Millions will head to the polls today to decide the fate of Great Britain
• Polls opened at 7am today and people will have until 10pm to vote
• Thousands of police officers are at polling stations amid fears of violence
• For the first time in history 16 and 17-year-olds will have their say
• Pro-independence graffiti in Balloch branded 'shocking' by Scottish MSP
• Jackie Baillie told MailOnline: 'Their actions are a shame on the democratic process in Scotland' as she urged voters to back the No campaign
• Yes supporter arrested in Clydebank this morning after allegedly assaulting a unionist trying to vote No

By Lizzie Parry and Tom Mctague and Mark Davies for MailOnline

Published: 12:07, 18 September 2014 | Updated: 14:05, 18 September 2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2760618/Vote-Yes-Or-Else-Attempts-intimidate-No-voters-force-graffiti-polling-station-walls-millions-polls-decide-future-Union.html

[sustento]

Twice shy. We dont want Scotland to be like Norway.Quiet.Complacent and boring. You must be joking when you claim Norway shaped Europe.

Ever heard of William of Normandy? William the Conqueror. 1066 and all that? Ever wondered where the name 'Normandy' came from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Normandy

[Mosha]

By refusing to accept Salmond's offer, is it just possible Cameron called his bluff?

What bluff? Cameron was offered a winning hand, but refused it and cost the UK as a whole a lot of time and money running this referendum

Well if the bookies are right, where does it leave Salmond? At worst on a yes vote England etc would be a more Euro sceptic country.

[Neeranam]

By refusing to accept Salmond's offer, is it just possible Cameron called his bluff?

What bluff? Cameron was offered a winning hand, but refused it and cost the UK as a whole a lot of time and money running this referendum

Well if the bookies are right, where does it leave Salmond? At worst on a yes vote England etc would be a more Euro sceptic country.

He might still be a national hero. William Wallace is and he didn't win did he? At least Salmond won't be dragged through the streets to be hung, drawn and quartred!

Edited September 18, 2014 by Neeranam

[nontabury]

And when is the English vote to decide if Scotland should leave?

A union has 2 or more parts and all parts should be involved in the decision process equally.

when is england going to be allowed to vote on independence so that non English MP's cannot force their ideology on english folk. I hope scotland votes yes and wales and NI and then if were lucky we wont get another socialist nightmare government in england

Please please please scotland vote yes but i reckon they dont have guts to leave mummy and will be happy to continue winging about how unfair it all is while taking english tax payers money to support them

Sadly i reckon they will vote No bit I live hope as i do that one day england will leave EEC and just become like switzerland and others a full trading partner in a common trading block but if Europe does not want that fine and even if were poorer or a lot poorer better to be free

I think your being a bit unfair, many Scots, we will find out tomorrow, are not narrow minded bigots living an historical incorrect dream, they have the confidence to live in the present age and recognise the world is becoming smaller and smaller.

[nontabury]

doubt they will win a yes vote .only a madman would vote for no pensions and no benefits and a micky mouse currency that wont buy diddlysquat next week.

salmond should be locked in a secure unit he is as mad as a snake .

This was never a one man crusade, he was just the leader and the figurehead, unfortunately one outcome of this referendum, what ever side prevails is that he and the SNP Nationalist have achieved for Scotland what Thaksin achieved for Thailand, a divided nation.

[MJP]

Regardless of whether the No campaign wins, it'll be by such a slim margin this will have to be revisited with the proper framework and planning in place next time.

If a confirmed framework for transition and how Scotland would operate as its own nation is in place it would likely be a landslide Yes.

[sustento]

Regardless of whether the No campaign wins, it'll be by such a slim margin this will have to be revisited with the proper framework and planning in place next time.

If a confirmed framework for transition and how Scotland would operate as its own nation is in place it would likely be a landslide Yes.

Is this the old 'keep on voting till we get the "right" answer' ploy?

[kingalfred]

If the Jocks want to break the union thats their choice. I will never refer to myself as British again, but an "Englishman"

[nontabury]

If the Jocks want to break the union thats their choice. I will never refer to myself as British again, but an "Englishman"

Quite understandable, I went through that transition about 20yrs ago.

[balo]

Balo.I think you are talking about capita head.A country with a small population giving the same amount as a highly popoulated nation will look like it is giving more money per head.You think a tiny country like Norway gives more than say,the USA or Britain? I dont think so.

However,I have heard that Norway is a very beautiful country and I would like to holiday there.But maybe after this you will not let me in?Best wishes.

Yes its beautiful if you can afford it , go there.

But the Norwegian government is like Santa Claus really , they donated almost $5 billion dollars in aid in 2012. Compared with the UK $14 billion , not too bad,

[Scott]

I wonder if they Scots will be considered to be native English speakers in Thailand for employment purposes.

[wilcopops]

And when is the English vote to decide if Scotland should leave?

A union has 2 or more parts and all parts should be involved in the decision process equally.

...and the award for the most facile comment of the WHOLE DEBATE......

[3NUMBAS]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/matthewholehouse/100286768/alex-salmond-wants-a-funny-sort-of-independence-for-scotland/

quote

Alex Salmond wants a funny sort of independence for Scotland

By Matthew Holehouse Politics Last updated: September 18th, 2014

Following a Yes vote tonight, Alex Salmond has estimated the start up costs of the governance of new nation at £200m.

By comparison, that is the same sum set aside by the Treasury in March to fix potholes in Britain's roads, and less than half the cost of Nick Clegg's programme of universal free school meals for 5-7 year olds. And its less than a third of the DWP's annual operating costs in Scotland. Government is expensive.

Mr Salmond’s ambition is explained in part by the detail of the white paper published by the Scottish Government, which sets out a blueprint for an independent Scotland.

Put together, the 600-pages make clear a desire that far from going it alone, in the early days at least an independent Scotland would rely on more than 100 institutions that currently serve the whole of the UK and which Mr Salmond has no plans to replicate. Not all are listed.

[mommysboy]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11081025/Scottish-independence-campaign-live.html

Yes. 53%.

You got mixed up, it's no 53! No are the ones that want to stay in the union.

If you voted it means you voted for the wrong team!

Some mothers do ave em.

[MJP]

Regardless of whether the No campaign wins, it'll be by such a slim margin this will have to be revisited with the proper framework and planning in place next time.

If a confirmed framework for transition and how Scotland would operate as its own nation is in place it would likely be a landslide Yes.

Is this the old 'keep on voting till we get the "right" answer' ploy?

Yup. Remember when Eire voted against joining the EU? Then they had another go.

Scotland just needs a very clear and concise framework for transition and independence. So far this hasn't been forthcoming. Had it been in place and clearly communicated with all the numbers adding up, easy Yes landslide.

[Sawan Chan 7]

I wonder if they Scots will be considered to be native English speakers in Thailand for employment purposes.

This could be a very proud day for Scots.

Are you trying to spoil it with your racist insults?

[nontabury]

I wonder if they Scots will be considered to be native English speakers in Thailand for employment purposes.

This could be a very proud day for Scots.

Are you trying to spoil it with your racist insults?

Don't be so silly, he's just trying to add a bit of a laugh into the thread.

[rajyindee]

Have you seen the odds? Back then there was 2/3 bookies. Now we have 15+ all saying the same. I know republicans don;t like these extremely awkward elephants in rooms....but hey ho

Whether 3 or 30 get it wrong is irrelevant. Salmond has a bit of a track record of upsetting them.

[wilcopops]

I wonder if they Scots will be considered to be native English speakers in Thailand for employment purposes.

We accept Americans and they aren't even from the same continent.

Edited September 18, 2014 by wilcopops

[rajyindee]

This was never a one man crusade, he was just the leader and the figurehead, unfortunately one outcome of this referendum, what ever side prevails is that he and the SNP Nationalist have achieved for Scotland what Thaksin achieved for Thailand, a divided nation.

And, like Thailand, you still have a bunch of folk from the capital and down south trying to tell the the rebellious hordes up north what's good for them. That said, I don't think there's much chance they'll be erasing Salmond's name from British textbooks.

Edited September 18, 2014 by rajyindee

[wilcopops]

If the Jocks want to break the union thats their choice. I will never refer to myself as British again, but an "Englishman"

I think you mean English; British is the adjective, Englishman is a noun.

however what goes on your passport may be a different matter altogether - it will still be the United Kingdom but not of Great Britain and unfortunately still Northern Ireland.

For me one of the greatest things about this referendum is that for the first time for centuries it has made the composite nations of the UK - especially the English - sit down and think about who they REALLY think they are.

whichever way the vote goes it will be a positive result for all involved....

Edited September 18, 2014 by wilcopops

[rajyindee]

I wonder if they Scots will be considered to be native English speakers in Thailand for employment purposes.

If that were ever the case, they'll just show their British passport. Easy!

[rajyindee]

I think you mean English; British is the adjective, Englishman is a noun.

however what goes on your passport may be a different matter altogether - it will still be the United Kingdom but not of Great Britain and unfortunately still Northern Ireland.

For me one of the greatest things about this referendum is that for the first time for centuries it has made the composite nations of the UK - especially the English - sit down and think about who they REALLY think they are.

One of the problems in the Union. The English can't differentiate between being English and being British. They think it's one and the same, hence their regular hijacking of the Union Flag.

[Neeranam]

I think you mean English; British is the adjective, Englishman is a noun.

however what goes on your passport may be a different matter altogether - it will still be the United Kingdom but not of Great Britain and unfortunately still Northern Ireland.

For me one of the greatest things about this referendum is that for the first time for centuries it has made the composite nations of the UK - especially the English - sit down and think about who they REALLY think they are.

One of the problems in the Union. The English can't differentiate between being English and being British. They think it's one and the same, hence their regular hijacking of the Union Flag.

Neither can Americans.

[Neeranam]

Perhaps tomorrow, I won't be British, what an awesome thought.

Pity, I don't drink

Edited September 18, 2014 by Neeranam