wilcopops Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Never mind air bags, what about the little Thai kid you knock over at as little as 5mph, with bull bars you probably kill him, without you probably don't. At 5mph why would the kid now die with a bullbar versus without ? If anything the larger frontal area of the bullbar the kid would bounce instead of going under the car vehicle. Deffo a contender for the most facile post of the thread award. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 All the bullbars I have seen are bolted to the chassis under the radiator cross member. It's totally absurd. There should be a rail on each side running back to the chassis under the cab with the rail bolted in at least 2 places. Well it makes sense to me. And the bullbar can be made a lot stronger. Heck yeah yeehaa! y'all wouldn't want to run the risk of not completely pulverising that kid on his wave! Get serious, if a driver can't stop in a metre from 5 kph when he see's the kid .....the driver need some serious help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 All the bullbars I have seen are bolted to the chassis under the radiator cross member. It's totally absurd. There should be a rail on each side running back to the chassis under the cab with the rail bolted in at least 2 places. Well it makes sense to me. And the bullbar can be made a lot stronger. Heck yeah yeehaa! y'all wouldn't want to run the risk of not completely pulverising that kid on his wave! Get serious, if a driver can't stop in a metre from 5 kph when he see's the kid .....the driver need some serious help. More likely you need help in understanding what happens when a car stops in an emergency.... Many drivers, drive in a false belief that if the car in front suddenly started braking, they would react and brake and end up stopped the same distance apart. The total stopping distance of a vehicle is made up of 4 components. • Human Perception Time • Human Reaction Time • Vehicle Reaction Time • Vehicle Braking Capability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 All the bullbars I have seen are bolted to the chassis under the radiator cross member. It's totally absurd. There should be a rail on each side running back to the chassis under the cab with the rail bolted in at least 2 places. Well it makes sense to me. And the bullbar can be made a lot stronger. Heck yeah yeehaa! y'all wouldn't want to run the risk of not completely pulverising that kid on his wave! Get serious, if a driver can't stop in a metre from 5 kph when he see's the kid .....the driver need some serious help. Bullbars are dangerous! if you can't understand that, so are you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 All the bullbars I have seen are bolted to the chassis under the radiator cross member. It's totally absurd. There should be a rail on each side running back to the chassis under the cab with the rail bolted in at least 2 places. Well it makes sense to me. And the bullbar can be made a lot stronger. Heck yeah yeehaa! y'all wouldn't want to run the risk of not completely pulverising that kid on his wave! Get serious, if a driver can't stop in a metre from 5 kph when he see's the kid .....the driver need some serious help. Bullbars are dangerous! if you can't understand that, so are you! I have nudge bars fitted on my 10 year old Isuzu, they were on the car when I bought it, and I must say that the front one in particular has save me from damage to lights and bodywork a couple of times when I've parked too close to a wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrahmm Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 ARB 4 x 4 accessories http://www.arb.co.th/contact/store-locator/?lang=en +1 All others are decorations and junk. +2 - only thing trustworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrahmm Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) I think the OP wanted something for added protection as opposed to ornamental...... Yes.....we can worry about the what if there is contact with a motortbike but very few happen at low speeds.....most of the lower speed stuff happens to sides of the vehicle where they try and squeeze by or straight when the car is making a turn..... With the U turn lanes and sparse lighting in areas, animals in others I want my family as safe as possible from impact....it's not my job to have a plastic windshield so the bugs don't get hurt....it's my job to control what I can, as best I can under many different driving conditions...... I'm not a big fan of bolt on brush guards and some of the nerf bars seen on vehicles.....many times they detract from the appearance of the vehicle + vibrate loose/rust or cause more damage to the vehicle than it would receive under moderate impact by bending back into the vehicle..... That's why I've had - and still use ARB bumpers..... I also do not like driving smaller cars - the theory of mass always wins..... 98% of the time the wife's Honda stays in the driveway...... Edited September 22, 2014 by pgrahmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 You worry too much pgrahmm, the 18 Wheeler will hit your roly- poly truck whilst the Mrs nipped out the way in the sharp handler. .Win some, loose some. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 No motor now has a front bumper, it has to pass crash tests INCLUDING hitting a pedestrian. Put one of those things on and all that research is out the window. You hit someone, your problem.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrahmm Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 You worry too much pgrahmm, the 18 Wheeler will hit your roly- poly truck whilst the Mrs nipped out the way in the sharp handler. .Win some, loose some. That may be so - but we had one in the club hit by a Ford F350 dually (drunk) doing 70 downhill.....the car hit was doing 55 uphill and the two people in the car that was hit survived (one broken hip - other 2 days in hospital) - and of course the drunk survived..... I stay dutifully away from 18 wheelers...... In CA - for cars we have 2 - 4x4's & 1- Lexus sports car - I can zip extremely well in the Lexus but feel safer in the 4x4's.......I like the road visability...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 No motor now has a front bumper, it has to pass crash tests INCLUDING hitting a pedestrian. Put one of those things on and all that research is out the window. You hit someone, your problem.. bullbar or no bullbar if you hit a pedestrian it is always gunna be your problem. Toyota sell them as genuine accessories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 No motor now has a front bumper, it has to pass crash tests INCLUDING hitting a pedestrian. Put one of those things on and all that research is out the window. You hit someone, your problem..bullbar or no bullbar if you hit a pedestrian it is always gunna be your problem.Toyota sell them as genuine accessories. So do other manufacturers, don't make it right or sensible. I ride bikes 90% of the time, if you hit me with them things u r seriously gonna <deleted> me up, without them I stand a much better chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 No motor now has a front bumper, it has to pass crash tests INCLUDING hitting a pedestrian. Put one of those things on and all that research is out the window. You hit someone, your problem..bullbar or no bullbar if you hit a pedestrian it is always gunna be your problem. Toyota sell them as genuine accessories. So do other manufacturers, don't make it right or sensible. I ride bikes 90% of the time, if you hit me with them things u r seriously gonna <deleted> me up, without them I stand a much better chance. Why do you put yourself in a position where getting hit by the front of the vehicle is a possibility ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 "Bullbars are dangerous! if you can't understand that, so are you!" Do I have to repeat the old sAYING about assumptions? Oh.....I do! '“When dealing with critics always remember this: Critics judge things based on what is outside of their content of understanding.” ' I ride a pushie and scooters and I know if I get hit by anything doing 40kph+, on 4 wheels or more, I will be spending a long time in hospital or a little earn on the wife's mantel piece. At 5kph it probably gravel rash and hurt pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 "Bullbars are dangerous! if you can't understand that, so are you!" Do I have to repeat the old sAYING about assumptions? Oh.....I do! '“When dealing with critics always remember this: Critics judge things based on what is outside of their content of understanding.” ' I ride a pushie and scooters and I know if I get hit by anything doing 40kph+, on 4 wheels or more, I will be spending a long time in hospital or a little earn on the wife's mantel piece. At 5kph it probably gravel rash and hurt pride. It seems you still have a lot to learn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 No motor now has a front bumper, it has to pass crash tests INCLUDING hitting a pedestrian. Put one of those things on and all that research is out the window. You hit someone, your problem..bullbar or no bullbar if you hit a pedestrian it is always gunna be your problem.Toyota sell them as genuine accessories. So do other manufacturers, don't make it right or sensible. I ride bikes 90% of the time, if you hit me with them things u r seriously gonna <deleted> me up, without them I stand a much better chance. Why do you put yourself in a position where getting hit by the front of the vehicle is a possibility ? assuming that there are other drivers besides Spoonman who subscribe to those "Spoonman school of motoring" theories - (and it wouldn't take many) - it would mean the possibilities of being in that situation are far to large for day-to-day off the cuff calculation and could only be avoided by staying indoors.....and even then the chances wouldn't be zero. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Whats a Toyota dealer got to do with safety, or any other car dealership in Thailand.They are all prepared to deliver a new Vehicle to a dumb customer who has chosen illegal tinted glass. You can see them on any Forecourt awaiting their new idiot whoes only care is for looks, and themself. Just like Bull Bar Lovers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Whats a Toyota dealer got to do with safety, or any other car dealership in Thailand.They are all prepared to deliver a new Vehicle to a dumb customer who has chosen illegal tinted glass. You can see them on any Forecourt awaiting their new idiot whoes only care is for looks, and themself. Just like Bull Bar Lovers. I assume that is directed at me because I mentioned Toyota sell them as OE accessories. I was not talking about Thailand but hey, never let a chance to show your Thai hatred though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Whats a Toyota dealer got to do with safety, or any other car dealership in Thailand.They are all prepared to deliver a new Vehicle to a dumb customer who has chosen illegal tinted glass. You can see them on any Forecourt awaiting their new idiot whoes only care is for looks, and themself. Just like Bull Bar Lovers. I assume that is directed at me because I mentioned Toyota sell them as OE accessories. I was not talking about Thailand but hey, never let a chance to show your Thai hatred though. That comment is below the belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 If the Cap Fits Boy.Insecure Folk need Bling, or they get ignored. No it wast directed at You. i can do better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Whats a Toyota dealer got to do with safety, or any other car dealership in Thailand.They are all prepared to deliver a new Vehicle to a dumb customer who has chosen illegal tinted glass. You can see them on any Forecourt awaiting their new idiot whoes only care is for looks, and themself. Just like Bull Bar Lovers. I assume that is directed at me because I mentioned Toyota sell them as OE accessories. I was not talking about Thailand but hey, never let a chance to show your Thai hatred though. That comment is below the belt. how so ? Every opportunity AOP can get he digs the boot into the Thais with what ever mod they have done that is not within accordance to his personal taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Whats a Toyota dealer got to do with safety, or any other car dealership in Thailand.They are all prepared to deliver a new Vehicle to a dumb customer who has chosen illegal tinted glass. You can see them on any Forecourt awaiting their new idiot whoes only care is for looks, and themself. Just like Bull Bar Lovers. I assume that is directed at me because I mentioned Toyota sell them as OE accessories. I was not talking about Thailand but hey, never let a chance to show your Thai hatred though. That comment is below the belt. how so ? Every opportunity AOP can get he digs the boot into the Thais with what ever mod they have done that is not within accordance to his personal taste. You have a confusion between "Hate" and "taste", AoP does not hate Thai folk but might have issues with their 4 wheel stuff, so do I.... Noooooooothing to do with hate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Im happy to let other posters decide that, not a Bruised Ego .My Comments are in favour of all safety aspects which any Flash Harry Ferang, or Thais will find annoying. Bull Bars are a Menace. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 "Bullbars are dangerous! if you can't understand that, so are you!" Do I have to repeat the old sAYING about assumptions? Oh.....I do! '“When dealing with critics always remember this: Critics judge things based on what is outside of their content of understanding.” ' I ride a pushie and scooters and I know if I get hit by anything doing 40kph+, on 4 wheels or more, I will be spending a long time in hospital or a little earn on the wife's mantel piece. At 5kph it probably gravel rash and hurt pride. It seems you still have a lot to learn. So, why don't you en-lighten all of us with your pool of knowledge. I am sure it won't take more than a paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I dont think anyone objects to Bars when used for the purpose intended.Rooes in Ozz, Moose in Canada, etc, but here they are just plain stupid imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I dont think anyone objects to Bars when used for the purpose intended.Rooes in Ozz, Moose in Canada, etc, but here they are just plain stupid imo. Soi dogs in th? Sent from my LG-P970 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 And Children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) "Bullbars are dangerous! if you can't understand that, so are you!" Do I have to repeat the old sAYING about assumptions? Oh.....I do! '“When dealing with critics always remember this: Critics judge things based on what is outside of their content of understanding.” ' I ride a pushie and scooters and I know if I get hit by anything doing 40kph+, on 4 wheels or more, I will be spending a long time in hospital or a little earn on the wife's mantel piece. At 5kph it probably gravel rash and hurt pride. It seems you still have a lot to learn. So, why don't you en-lighten all of us with your pool of knowledge. I am sure it won't take more than a paragraph. Oh dear! most of the posters on this thread ALREADY are up to speed on this issue, and we don't need to rely on the good people of Thai visa to furnish us with the background information. Why bother to post unfounded opinions? If you need to know even Google will supply you with a plethora of info, from motoring orgs, government web sites and various Universities that have published research on this stuff. I'm sorry to disappoint you but it isn't my job to teach you, it's up to you to educate yourself. (you are an adult?) Until then you will find that people are going to find your posts on this subject ill-informed inadequate and incomplete.....and they will in all probability say so. Edited September 24, 2014 by wilcopops 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrahmm Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Jeez - by now I've forgotten who's for and who's against......and I'm not reading through this mess again to find out.....now that we are down to the biting and hair pulling I think the OP has enough info/food for thought to decide what he wants..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Jeez - by now I've forgotten who's for and who's against......and I'm not reading through this mess again to find out.....now that we are down to the biting and hair pulling I think the OP has enough info/food for thought to decide what he wants..... I actually think the OP got one answer, and that was ARB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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