Global protests over climate change

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Climate change summit: Global rallies demand action

(BBC) Street protests demanding urgent action on climate change have attracted hundreds of thousands of marchers in more than 2,000 locations worldwide.

The People's Climate March is campaigning for curbs on carbon emissions, ahead of the UN climate summit in New York next week.

In Manhattan, organisers said some 310,000 people joined a march that was also attended by UN chief Ban Ki-moon.

Earlier, huge demonstrations took place in Australia and Europe.

"This is the planet where our subsequent generations will live," Mr Ban told reporters. "There is no 'Plan B' because we do not have 'Planet B'."

The UN Secretary General was accompanied by primatologist Jane Goodall and the French Ecology Minister, Segolene Royal.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29301969


-- BBC 2014-09-22

[maoro2013]

Are they got real.

Climate change is not man made it is part of the ice age/warm age.

Problem is this has been elevated to a level by Al Gore initially and has assumed massive momentum, I believe incorrectly

Too many people with interests in it now to let it die.

[daoyai]

Are they got real.

Climate change is not man made it is part of the ice age/warm age.

Problem is this has been elevated to a level by Al Gore initially and has assumed massive momentum, I believe incorrectly

Too many people with interests in it now to let it die.

Yes, Al Gore was able to bring the information from studies of many climate scientists and present it in a format that could be understood by the masses. The fact that the earth has had natural clime fluctuations does not refute the studies and conclusions of 98% of climate science. The argument that the scientists would not be able to work if they disagree is bogus, even if true in a small number of cases those folks could find jobs with the oil lobby or fox news.

[canman]

Are they got real.

Climate change is not man made it is part of the ice age/warm age.

Problem is this has been elevated to a level by Al Gore initially and has assumed massive momentum, I believe incorrectly

Too many people with interests in it now to let it die.

Yes, Al Gore was able to bring the information from studies of many climate scientists and present it in a format that could be understood by the masses. The fact that the earth has had natural clime fluctuations does not refute the studies and conclusions of 98% of climate science. The argument that the scientists would not be able to work if they disagree is bogus, even if true in a small number of cases those folks could find jobs with the oil lobby or fox news.

All that Al Gore did was fool a bunch of sheeple while he amassed a 200m dollar fortune while living in a house which has a carbon foot print 20 time larger than the average in his area.

Refering to Al "all the artic sea ice will be gone by 2014" Gore does your arguement no good

[shirtless]

You cant believe a guy like Al Gore, His carbon footprint is massive and does not practice what he preaches.

[rickirs]

What is called "global climate change" is the acceleration of global climate extremes with greater occurrence and duration. What had taken thousands and millions of years for global climatic change now is taking place within a single generation of human existence. There is not a nation on earth that denies accelerated global climate change. And 90+% of the world's scientists recognize accelerated global climate change and the cause being manmade.

Thailand being an emerging industrial nation has an opportunity to lead Asia with policies and programs directed towards carbon emmission avoidance. Unfortunately, this opportunity comes because to date Thailand has done so little to implement carbon emmission strategies. Lots of thought but little action.

[RickBradford]

You cant believe a guy like Al Gore, His carbon footprint is massive and does not practice what he preaches.

None of them do.

As one US commentator noted: "I'll start believing global warming is a real problem, when the people who keep telling me it's a real problem start acting like they believe it is a real problem."

[rickirs]

Interesting charts regarding global carbon emmissions.

Tables 7-10 are colored coded as follows:

Dark Green - very good

Green - good

Light Green - moderate

Orange - poor

Red - very poor

[Thakkar]

Are they got real.

Climate change is not man made it is part of the ice age/warm age.

Problem is this has been elevated to a level by Al Gore initially and has assumed massive momentum, I believe incorrectly

Too many people with interests in it now to let it die.

Finally someone with the balls to call out the powerful Big Nerd lobby. Yes, those fatcat science oligarchs sure are sucking the economic life out of those wholesome, barely-subsistence energy conglomerates!

You can lead a (climate-change-denying) horse to (rising levels of) water, but you can't make him think.

But let's try anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/cBdxDFpDp_k

[Anon999]

It has only been going on since the Earth was a piece of frozen rock, so what's new? If the Sun increases in it's output then how are they proposing to counteract it? Furthermore, the Earth will at sometime in the future reach a state when the temperature will probably stabilise. When that will be and at what temperature are other questions altogether.

[maoro2013]

Furthermore, once being a manager in the Swire group, I had to attend a two day seminar on this. The director of global warming presented this. Charts were presented showing a dozing kind, but interestingly no scales shown. There was discussion re the rising sea level especially re the Carteret Islands. This had been shown to be compete rubbish as this island atoll is actually sinking which is an issue with these atolls when the fresh water is pumped out from below the land starts to sink in.

This was presented as evidence.

[RickBradford]

^^^

It's very good to hear from someone who has first-hand experience of having this nonsense forced upon them.

[wwest5829]

total BS.....Warming, Change....Al make your mind up. The only "Change" I've seen is the destruction of the US by another Crack Pot called Obama.

And yet, my retirement investments continue to do quite well under Democratic Presidents. Go figure....

[Daniel Boon]

It is 'interesting' reading 'experts' hypothesize that global warming does not exist or that mankind does not contribute.

It would be interesting, knowing your individual backgrounds and then, me taking a contrary position against all that you factually know something about, deriding it, quoting some other half-wit to support my attacks on your knowledge ...

That someone pissing in your spa would have no long term effect; or taking a dump in your pool, for that matter ... and then having a leak / taking a dump every day ... having no effect.

Why did you move to Thailand (or wherever) rather than stay where you were born and grew up? Most posters are 50 plus, and would know that just about every area you knew is now over populated and obviously less livable ... which is why you moved on.

This 'global warming' issue surfaces more and more regularly (unfortunately, like methane gasses previously trapped in frozen oceans and the tundra regions); and I don't know why I bother, but in the vague hope that one or more of you can look past your ignorant stupor and consider the logic of 'carrying capacity' in your field of expertise ... (and if you cannot, tell me your field and I will help you) ...

If 97% of experts suggested you not drive over a structurally unsound bridge; you'd listen to the 3% ???

Anyway ... two part question for You; you have two pots of water on the stove, both at the same temperature (say 22 degrees) and one has a block of ice and the other doesn't ... which will reach 22 degrees sooner? and will the second one eventually reach 22 degrees?

So how do we humans contribute to global warming ... much heat and emissions are the 'big three' - we humans unreasonably rely on - responsible for?

Coal 7,678 million tonnes burned in 2011 - 21 million tonne a day

Heat: 33 MJ per 1 kilo of coal - 21,000,000,000 x 33 =693,000,000,000 a day

Emissions (C02e) – 1.91 kilograms per kilo = 40,110,000,000 = 40 million tonne a day

[ http://www.worldcoal.org/resources/coal-statistics/ ]

[ http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/LunChen.shtml ]

Gas

112,090 billion cubic feet (Bcf) of natural gas in 2010

Heat: 38 MJ per cubic metre of natural gas

Emissions (Co2e) – 53.7 kilograms per e/GJ

[ https://www.e-education.psu.edu/eme444/node/341 [http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/JanyTran.shtml ]

Oil

321,200,000 barrels of oil = about 51,070,800,000 litres of fuel - 2011 - 88 million barrels a day

Heat: 6,120 MJ per 1 barrel of oil

Emission (C02e) – 2.34 kilos per litre

[ http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx ]

[ http://www.kylesconverter.com/energy,-work,-and-heat/megajoules-to-barrels-of-oil-equivalent ]

[Ulysses G.]

Why did you move to Thailand (or wherever) rather than stay where you were born and grew up? Most posters are 50 plus, and would know that just about every area you knew is now over populated and obviously less livable ... which is why you moved on.

The usual claim is that we are all here for the hookers. Thailand is a lot more overpopulated than where I came from, so no cigar.

[canuckamuck]

It is 'interesting' reading 'experts' hypothesize that global warming does not exist or that mankind does not contribute.

It would be interesting, knowing your individual backgrounds and then, me taking a contrary position against all that you factually know something about, deriding it, quoting some other half-wit to support my attacks on your knowledge ...

That someone pissing in your spa would have no long term effect; or taking a dump in your pool, for that matter ... and then having a leak / taking a dump every day ... having no effect.

Why did you move to Thailand (or wherever) rather than stay where you were born and grew up? Most posters are 50 plus, and would know that just about every area you knew is now over populated and obviously less livable ... which is why you moved on.

This 'global warming' issue surfaces more and more regularly (unfortunately, like methane gasses previously trapped in frozen oceans and the tundra regions); and I don't know why I bother, but in the vague hope that one or more of you can look past your ignorant stupor and consider the logic of 'carrying capacity' in your field of expertise ... (and if you cannot, tell me your field and I will help you) ...

If 97% of experts suggested you not drive over a structurally unsound bridge; you'd listen to the 3% ???

Anyway ... two part question for You; you have two pots of water on the stove, both at the same temperature (say 22 degrees) and one has a block of ice and the other doesn't ... which will reach 22 degrees sooner? and will the second one eventually reach 22 degrees?

So how do we humans contribute to global warming ... much heat and emissions are the 'big three' - we humans unreasonably rely on - responsible for?

Coal 7,678 million tonnes burned in 2011 - 21 million tonne a day

Heat: 33 MJ per 1 kilo of coal - 21,000,000,000 x 33 =693,000,000,000 a day

Emissions (C02e) – 1.91 kilograms per kilo = 40,110,000,000 = 40 million tonne a day

[ http://www.worldcoal.org/resources/coal-statistics/ ]

[ http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/LunChen.shtml ]

Gas

112,090 billion cubic feet (Bcf) of natural gas in 2010

Heat: 38 MJ per cubic metre of natural gas

Emissions (Co2e) – 53.7 kilograms per e/GJ

[ https://www.e-education.psu.edu/eme444/node/341 [http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/JanyTran.shtml ]

Oil

321,200,000 barrels of oil = about 51,070,800,000 litres of fuel - 2011 - 88 million barrels a day

Heat: 6,120 MJ per 1 barrel of oil

Emission (C02e) – 2.34 kilos per litre

[ http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx ]

[ http://www.kylesconverter.com/energy,-work,-and-heat/megajoules-to-barrels-of-oil-equivalent ]

If they both started at 22 degrees you wouldn't have to wait very long for one of them to be at 22 degrees. You wouldn't even have to turn on the stove.

The 97% is a proven fraudulent claim for many years now, some guy wrote a book and used quite a few twists of logic to come up with that figure many of the people he included as consenting have objected to his conclusion and appose aspects of the mainstream green ideology.

Please add to your figures the amount of CO2 produced naturally VS mankind

[Ulysses G.]

The 97% is a proven fraudulent claim for many years now

Indeed, but the global warming crowd keep insisting that it is true.

Yet the assertion that 97% of scientists believe that climate change is a man-made, urgent problem is a fiction. The so-called consensus comes from a handful of surveys and abstract-counting exercises that have been contradicted by more reliable research.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136

[PiPiFFS]

So unless all these fools walked to the protests around the world they all added to the carbon footprint they want to stop everyone else making ? Again unless they all walked back from where they came they added even more carbon to their problem.

Also from the reports I read this morning they left huge amounts of non biodegradable coffee cups, takeaway food trays, rubbish and loads of paper and cardboard signs scattered everywhere when they left.

Just about sums these cretins up really.

[chuckd]

Looks like our friendly warmists were also rather messy:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/far-left-climate-geeks-leave-mountain-of-trash-for-cities-to-deal-with/

[RickBradford]

What charming people.

And have you noted how the Green/Left is always "demanding" change, not "requesting" it?

These ill-mannered ingrates mistakenly believe, in their infantile narcissism, that they have a right to demand things, an attitude which most people grow out of at the age of about 5.

But, then, I'm forgetting that the bible of the "progressives" is Robert Fulghum's All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten.

And, boy, does it show............

[Thakkar]

Deniers talk about everything but the science:

http://pando.com/2014/09/22/hollywood-trash-how-skeptics-distort-the-climate-change-debate-to-be-about-anything-but-science/

[RickBradford]

Deniers talk about everything but the science:

http://pando.com/2014/09/22/hollywood-trash-how-skeptics-distort-the-climate-change-debate-to-be-about-anything-but-science/

Actually, it has been the constant refrain of the alarmist Green/Left from the start that "the debate is over, the science is settled.", that anyone who wishes to contest the science is a "flat-earther", in the pay of Big Oil, a "right-wing nutjob", and should have their opinions tattooed on their foreheads, be jailed, gassed or otherwise executed.

The Green/Left has only one play in its manual; stop any and all debate on substantive matters. Because they know that they can never hope to win in the marketplace of ideas.

The climate march demonstrated two things very clearly:

1) For the Green/Left, this isn't about the science at all, but ideology. Their ideology, to be precise

2) Living in a world controlled by those nimrods would be far worse than living on a slowly cooking planet.

[Ulysses G.]

Deniers talk about everything but the science:

http://online.wsj.co...578462813553136

Fakegate: The Obnoxious Fabrication of Global Warming.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/03/01/fakegate-the-obnoxious-fabrication-of-global-warming/

[RickBradford]

What did I tell you?

In between lobbing empty Starbucks cartons and bottles of organic juice on the street for somebody else to clean up, these self-entitled dimwits reinforce their core value -- nobody is permitted to disagree with them.

[RickBradford]

And more bewildered idiots pushing an agenda without troubling to consult the facts.

I wonder if they ever stop to think that if it wasn't for the enormous wealth that capitalism has brought to their country, they simply wouldn't have the time for this kind of self-indulgent posturing?

Actually, I don't wonder at all. If they had ever thought about it, they wouldn't be there.

[Thakkar]

Deniers talk about everything but the science:

http://online.wsj.co...578462813553136

Fakegate: The Obnoxious Fabrication of Global Warming.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/03/01/fakegate-the-obnoxious-fabrication-of-global-warming/

The science *is* settled. If you trawl around the Internet, you'll find that the only places where this is still being "debated" are the right wing echo chambers. And TFV. Most of the rest of the world, including, crucially, China, are moving towards implementing existing solutions and finding better solutions as well as working on ways to mitigate the damage already done and about to befall us. It is a race against time, and a waste of time to discuss this further.

I really was banging my head against a wall

Cheers all.

T

[Ulysses G.]

The science *is* settled.

Well, you and Al Gore are convinced anyway.

[Loptr]

Deniers talk about everything but the science:

http://pando.com/2014/09/22/hollywood-trash-how-skeptics-distort-the-climate-change-debate-to-be-about-anything-but-science/

I used to be on the bandwagon, until I realized that there is as much research stating that climate change is a naturally occurring event as opposed to being man-made... Then take into account that global warming has been on a 50 year hiatus, along with record ice flows in the arctic and antarctic, it makes you go hmm... The whole argument is lame until the world comes together in a consensus on how to move forward, which isn't going to happen... Why destroy the economies of the west when India and China are the two worst offenders on the planet? China builds a new coal-fired power plant every week, while industry in the US is dead due to clean energy costs...

[RickBradford]

I really was banging my head against a wall

Now your posts begin to make more sense...........

And, right on cue, another bureaucrat with an agenda.

[Shot]