NLA grants itself open-ended impeachment power

[rubl]

NLA grant itself........ So true as the saying goes "absolute power corrupts".

Well, this does mean that if one of the NLA members, or even the PM and his cabinet misbehaves the NLA will have the power to impeach.

Of course, if you think that's a bad idea ... ...

Don't think it's a bad idea but just an idea not worth thinking. Even before the ink has dried and within the same day, the NACC is cashing in on their compatriot absolute power by announcing move to impeach Yingluck and her ministers. Right on cue and all moving in tandem with the grand plan.

Oh come on, Eric. Look on the bright side.

Ms. Yingluck c.s. have had four more months to prepare themselves for what already that long ago was inevitable.

[Thai at Heart]

Perhaps now it will become apparent to certain posters on here that the ability for the public to make their choice by voting is actually quite important in the democratic scale of things.........

you are waaaay too optimistic.

The public can vote once the army has cleared up all the mess of corruption and eliminated undesirable politicians ffrom the political scene.

This is what every one seems to want except people like you and your red shirt pals, of course

You do realise that the Junta has just given itself arbitrary power to prosecute anyone they like.

I mean, if that isn't the complete definitoin of a Kangaroo court what is. I hope they go after ALL wrongdoers on ALL sides and really clean up.

You reckon they will? Naaaah. Didn't think so

[rubl]

NLA grant itself........ So true as the saying goes "absolute power corrupts".

Well, this does mean that if one of the NLA members, or even the PM and his cabinet misbehaves the NLA will have the power to impeach.

Of course, if you think that's a bad idea ... ...

Flying pigs donst exist rubi...

Is that the best BS fairy story scenario you can come up with ?

dear oh dear..

Well, with NLA representing both parliament and senate, this seems logical, now doesn't it?

BTW living in Khet Dusit, BKK, with nice trees and many government offices and lots of police and army folks living here as well, I regularly see flocks of pigs. They seem to like the environment here.

[jayboy]

Perhaps now it will become apparent to certain posters on here that the ability for the public to make their choice by voting is actually quite important in the democratic scale of things.........

you are waaaay too optimistic.

The public can vote once the army has cleared up all the mess of corruption and eliminated undesirable politicians ffrom the political scene.

This is what every one seems to want except people like you and your red shirt pals, of course

You speak only for yourself and like minded low grade foreign reactionaries.Many intelligent and well educated Thais, who could certainly not be described as red shirt pals ( to use your idiotic expression) are deeply concerned at the authoritarianism of the ruling Junta.And once again people like you overlook that the Thai army is itself monstrously corrupt - yet on this front so far not a word.

[rubl]

NLA grant itself........ So true as the saying goes "absolute power corrupts".

Well, this does mean that if one of the NLA members, or even the PM and his cabinet misbehaves the NLA will have the power to impeach.

Of course, if you think that's a bad idea ... ...

Of course if you're that naive to even think that will happen................

If the NLA were to impeach the PM, then the Junta leader would have to step in and correct the situation... wasn't that enabled in article forty-something ??

You mean to said "the Head of the NCPO could step in"

BTW the section from the Interim Constitution you seem to (try to) refer to might be

"Section 44. In the case where the Head of the National Council for Peace and Order is of opinion that it is necessary for the benefit of reform in any field and to strengthen public unity and harmony, or for the prevention, disruption or suppression of any act which undermines public peace and order or national security, the Monarchy, national economics or administration of State affairs, whether that act emerges inside or outside the Kingdom, the Head of the National Council for Peace and Order shall have the powers to make any order to disrupt or suppress regardless of the legislative, executive or judicial force of that order. In this case, that order, act or any performance in accordance with that order is deemed to be legal, constitutional and conclusive, and it shall be reported to the National Legislative Assembly and the Prime Minister without delay."

Mind you, the formulation is much more phrased as being "pro-active" than "reactive", I think.

[rubl]

Perhaps now it will become apparent to certain posters on here that the ability for the public to make their choice by voting is actually quite important in the democratic scale of things.........

you are waaaay too optimistic.

The public can vote once the army has cleared up all the mess of corruption and eliminated undesirable politicians ffrom the political scene.

This is what every one seems to want except people like you and your red shirt pals, of course

You speak only for yourself and like minded low grade foreign reactionaries.Many intelligent and well educated Thais, who could certainly not be described as red shirt pals ( to use your idiotic expression) are deeply concerned at the authoritarianism of the ruling Junta.And once again people like you overlook that the Thai army is itself monstrously corrupt - yet on this front so far not a word.

Come on, jayboy, spare us the (ultra left labour wing) party politics from your home country.

Lots of common Thais seems fairly happy, even if that upsets 'intelligent and well educated' others.

As for monstrously corrupt, I guess this is neither the time nor the place to ask for details

[englishoak]

Perhaps now it will become apparent to certain posters on here that the ability for the public to make their choice by voting is actually quite important in the democratic scale of things.........

you are waaaay too optimistic.

The public can vote once the army has cleared up all the mess of corruption and eliminated undesirable politicians ffrom the political scene.

This is what every one seems to want except people like you and your red shirt pals, of course

You speak only for yourself and like minded low grade foreign reactionaries.Many intelligent and well educated Thais, who could certainly not be described as red shirt pals ( to use your idiotic expression) are deeply concerned at the authoritarianism of the ruling Junta.And once again people like you overlook that the Thai army is itself monstrously corrupt - yet on this front so far not a word.

Well look at it another way, The many intelligent and well educated neutral Thais who are now concerned have done little to improve or try to change things as they have risen. This is what happens when a people become either apathetic or out of touch or self absorbed. They are now bothered about the results ? ... well surprise surprise and they should be but...

Its a bit late for that now, Thailand is getting exactly what Thailand deserves and its people have allowed to happen.

Edited September 26, 2014 by englishoak

[jayboy]

Perhaps now it will become apparent to certain posters on here that the ability for the public to make their choice by voting is actually quite important in the democratic scale of things.........

you are waaaay too optimistic.

The public can vote once the army has cleared up all the mess of corruption and eliminated undesirable politicians ffrom the political scene.

This is what every one seems to want except people like you and your red shirt pals, of course

You speak only for yourself and like minded low grade foreign reactionaries.Many intelligent and well educated Thais, who could certainly not be described as red shirt pals ( to use your idiotic expression) are deeply concerned at the authoritarianism of the ruling Junta.And once again people like you overlook that the Thai army is itself monstrously corrupt - yet on this front so far not a word.

Come on, jayboy, spare us the (ultra left labour wing) party politics from your home country.

Lots of common Thais seems fairly happy, even if that upsets 'intelligent and well educated' others.

As for monstrously corrupt, I guess this is neither the time nor the place to ask for details

If a distaste for military dictatorship means in your imagination,ultra left wing politics - then it's hard to have a rational discussion.

But you are correct in one sense that the mainly Sino Thai middle class in Bangkok is somewhat complacent at present.

The passage of time will only serve to dispel the initial euphoria even from this myopic minority - indeed it is already evaporating as the economy weakens.

[heybruce]

Perhaps now it will become apparent to certain posters on here that the ability for the public to make their choice by voting is actually quite important in the democratic scale of things.........

you are waaaay too optimistic.

The public can vote once the army has cleared up all the mess of corruption and eliminated undesirable politicians ffrom the political scene.

This is what every one seems to want except people like you and your red shirt pals, of course

everyone, yeah, right.

and, ...

so anyone who doesn't appreciate 'interventions' is a red shirt pal?

so the thai people will be happy to vote once the choice has been limited to politicians acceptable to the general?

Kind of like democracy in Iran, where the clerics decide who can run for office.

[jesimps]

Crikey, it took six hours for the NACC to ask for the impeachment of Yingluck! Didn't want it to look like a stitch-up. Crafty these yellow shirt types.

[rubl]

If a distaste for military dictatorship means in your imagination,ultra left wing politics - then it's hard to have a rational discussion.

But you are correct in one sense that the mainly Sino Thai middle class in Bangkok is somewhat complacent at present.

The passage of time will only serve to dispel the initial euphoria even from this myopic minority - indeed it is already evaporating as the economy weakens.

I have no problem with you having a 'distaste for military dictatorship' (as you call it). It's much more the use of all those political tinted terms which seem so meaningless (like your " low grade foreign reactionaries"). You're not talking to the 'faithful' here who will immediately 'understand' what you mean. Here we have at least some more open minded people trying to take part in an open discussion.

The passage of time will show us who was right, who wrong, and who continued.

Edited September 26, 2014 by rubl

[rubl]

Te public can vote once the army has cleared up all the mess of corruption and eliminated undesirable politicians ffrom the political scene.

This is what every one seems to want except people like you and your red shirt pals, of course

everyone, yeah, right.

and, ...

so anyone who doesn't appreciate 'interventions' is a red shirt pal?

so the thai people will be happy to vote once the choice has been limited to politicians acceptable to the general?

Kind of like democracy in Iran, where the clerics decide who can run for office.

A loaded question with a follow up based on what some see as answer. Way to go, no need for logic.

[rubl]

Crikey, it took six hours for the NACC to ask for the impeachment of Yingluck! Didn't want it to look like a stitch-up. Crafty these yellow shirt types.

Plus the many months before since they did investigations.

[jesimps]

Crikey, it took six hours for the NACC to ask for the impeachment of Yingluck! Didn't want it to look like a stitch-up. Crafty these yellow shirt types.

Plus the many months before since they did investigations.

Wonder which page of the script it was on? Just like a soap-opera only more predictable.

Edited September 26, 2014 by jesimps

[tbthailand]

NLA grant itself........ So true as the saying goes "absolute power corrupts".

Well, this does mean that if one of the NLA members, or even the PM and his cabinet misbehaves the NLA will have the power to impeach.

Of course, if you think that's a bad idea ... ...

Of course if you're that naive to even think that will happen................

Of course, what I think doesn't matter.

It's the principle which counts. just like people asking for 'democracy' without really knowing what they ask for.

how would you know that they do not know what they are asking for?

[tbthailand]

everyone, yeah, right.

and, ...

so anyone who doesn't appreciate 'interventions' is a red shirt pal?

so the thai people will be happy to vote once the choice has been limited to politicians acceptable to the general?

Kind of like democracy in Iran, where the clerics decide who can run for office.

A loaded question with a follow up based on what some see as answer. Way to go, no need for logic.

not at all a loaded question / follow up rubl, but your comment is once again a comment without content.

[rubl]

Crikey, it took six hours for the NACC to ask for the impeachment of Yingluck! Didn't want it to look like a stitch-up. Crafty these yellow shirt types.

Plus the many months before since they did investigations.

Wonder which page of the script it was on? Just like a soap-opera only more predictable.

What you mean predictable? It's almost as if you have no doubt Ms. Yingluck was guilty

[tbthailand]

The public can vote once the army has cleared up all the mess of corruption and eliminated undesirable politicians ffrom the political scene.

This is what every one seems to want except people like you and your red shirt pals, of course

You speak only for yourself and like minded low grade foreign reactionaries.Many intelligent and well educated Thais, who could certainly not be described as red shirt pals ( to use your idiotic expression) are deeply concerned at the authoritarianism of the ruling Junta.And once again people like you overlook that the Thai army is itself monstrously corrupt - yet on this front so far not a word.

Come on, jayboy, spare us the (ultra left labour wing) party politics from your home country.

Lots of common Thais seems fairly happy, even if that upsets 'intelligent and well educated' others.

As for monstrously corrupt, I guess this is neither the time nor the place to ask for details

a number of 'common Thai' I know are not so happy with the situation. They accept it because they have no other option.

[rubl]

Of course if you're that naive to even think that will happen................

Of course, what I think doesn't matter.

It's the principle which counts. just like people asking for 'democracy' without really knowing what they ask for.

how would you know that they do not know what they are asking for?

Good question. No scientific proof, but just from having observed the workings of the Westerns World, the USA, the UK, Europe and so.

I'm afraid many 'defenders of the faith' wouldn't know what happened if it hit them in the face. But than as I wrote before I might be a bit more cynical than you are.

[rubl]

everyone, yeah, right.

and, ...

so anyone who doesn't appreciate 'interventions' is a red shirt pal?

so the thai people will be happy to vote once the choice has been limited to politicians acceptable to the general?

Kind of like democracy in Iran, where the clerics decide who can run for office.

A loaded question with a follow up based on what some see as answer. Way to go, no need for logic.

not at all a loaded question / follow up rubl, but your comment is once again a comment without content.

Loaded as you assume 'thai will be happy', 'vote', 'choice limited', 'politicians acceptable'.

Following Brucy continues with his 'as in Iran' dewcribing what you assumed in your question.

My comment is therefor indicating that such loaded questions cannot easily be answered as first the load of manure has to be removed from it. IMHO

[rubl]

Come on, jayboy, spare us the (ultra left labour wing) party politics from your home country.

Lots of common Thais seems fairly happy, even if that upsets 'intelligent and well educated' others.

As for monstrously corrupt, I guess this is neither the time nor the place to ask for details

a number of 'common Thai' I know are not so happy with the situation. They accept it because they have no other option.

That is correct, my dear chap.

[Thanet]

"without elaborating on the the scope of the new power or how it will be put to use."

Didn't take long for transparency to be trampled. The rule of law is now - whatever. The NLA stands to become a priviledged organization under the direction and supervision of the NCPO. In essence the government might become a permanent extension of military rule. On the plus side, there will never be a need for coups.

Don't worry, impeachment is just the first step which will lead to NACC / Supreme Administrative Court and from there to possibly Constitutional Court and/or Criminal Court. All steps duly documented, just like under the previous government and the one before and so on.

What a load of nonsense. With censorship the order off the day, how can you possibly know that all the steps will be documented, and that the documentation will be a representation of the truth?

You don't know.

[Thanet]

"without elaborating on the the scope of the new power or how it will be put to use."

Didn't take long for transparency to be trampled. The rule of law is now - whatever. The NLA stands to become a priviledged organization under the direction and supervision of the NCPO. In essence the government might become a permanent extension of military rule. On the plus side, there will never be a need for coups.

Agreed. With all this talk about restoring democracy and transparency to Thailand, the actions taken tell a very different story.

[drand11]

Come on people, this is what the whole Coup is about! Put into place powers for the Minority & Military to again influence/ Control the elected majority into the future. They call this "Checks & balances!"

[tbthailand]

Come on, jayboy, spare us the (ultra left labour wing) party politics from your home country.

Lots of common Thais seems fairly happy, even if that upsets 'intelligent and well educated' others.

As for monstrously corrupt, I guess this is neither the time nor the place to ask for details

a number of 'common Thai' I know are not so happy with the situation. They accept it because they have no other option.

That is correct, my dear chap.

I know it is.

[rubl]

"without elaborating on the the scope of the new power or how it will be put to use."

Didn't take long for transparency to be trampled. The rule of law is now - whatever. The NLA stands to become a priviledged organization under the direction and supervision of the NCPO. In essence the government might become a permanent extension of military rule. On the plus side, there will never be a need for coups.

Don't worry, impeachment is just the first step which will lead to NACC / Supreme Administrative Court and from there to possibly Constitutional Court and/or Criminal Court. All steps duly documented, just like under the previous government and the one before and so on.

What a load of nonsense. With censorship the order off the day, how can you possibly know that all the steps will be documented, and that the documentation will be a representation of the truth?

You don't know.

Oh come on, Thanet. You didn't know under the previous government either and seem to have been perfectly happy with that. Democratically happy as well.

[metisdead]

Thaivisa will temporarily impose strict limitations on any comments that can be construed as being negative about the imposition of Martial Law or the Coup.

Some posts have been removed. (That's a link above, click on it to read the full notice)

[Thanet]

Don't worry, impeachment is just the first step which will lead to NACC / Supreme Administrative Court and from there to possibly Constitutional Court and/or Criminal Court. All steps duly documented, just like under the previous government and the one before and so on.

What a load of nonsense. With censorship the order off the day, how can you possibly know that all the steps will be documented, and that the documentation will be a representation of the truth?

You don't know.

Oh come on, Thanet. You didn't know under the previous government either and seem to have been perfectly happy with that. Democratically happy as well.

Wel, at least with the previous government we could read about their screw ups in the papers.

Not any more.

Back to my original assertion - you have no way of knowing what will or won't be documented, nor how it will be documented, so why are you pretending to know about something that you actually know nothing about?

There's a word for that in the Thai language. Do you speak it?

[rubl]

Don't worry, impeachment is just the first step which will lead to NACC / Supreme Administrative Court and from there to possibly Constitutional Court and/or Criminal Court. All steps duly documented, just like under the previous government and the one before and so on.

What a load of nonsense. With censorship the order off the day, how can you possibly know that all the steps will be documented, and that the documentation will be a representation of the truth?

You don't know.

Oh come on, Thanet. You didn't know under the previous government either and seem to have been perfectly happy with that. Democratically happy as well.

Wel, at least with the previous government we could read about their screw ups in the papers.

Not any more.

Back to my original assertion - you have no way of knowing what will or won't be documented, nor how it will be documented, so why are you pretending to know about something that you actually know nothing about?

There's a word for that in the Thai language. Do you speak it?

Well, at least we could read about 'some' of their screw-ups, as far as not suppressed. Even Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm as head of CAPO ordered news outlets not to publish anything which could be deemed to put the anti-government protests in a positive light.

So, can you prove "why are you pretending to know about something that you actually know nothing about?" or are you just 'suggesting ?

BTW being a member and posting on this particular forum doesn't require one to speak Thai. To ask if I do doesn't have any relation with the topic as well.

Greetings from a Bangkok where thunder can be heard for half an hour already and a storm might break lose at any moment,

uncle rubl

[Rimmer]

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