Palestinian leader accuses Israel of 'genocide' at UN

[Seastallion]

Prime Minister Netanyahu responds to the ridiculous lies / false charges of "genocide" from the Palestinians:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEdIgEiHIxs

Yadah yadah yadah.....weasel words coming from a master weasel. To try to justify his ethnic cleansing he makes a weak and transparent attempt to draw, not just a parallel but a dishonest attempt at making out it's the same battle, with the international ISIS crisis. He's clutching at straws, desperately trying to garner world sympathy on the tails of the global threat of ISIS.

The man should be tried for his war crimes and them shot as a mass murderer.

[Seastallion]

The Israel demonizers who still argue Israel should have never existed and shouldn't exist now ... what do you propose be done with the millions of Jewish Israelis. mostly born there? Short of actual genocide against them (a clearly stated goal of Hamas which Abbas has disgustingly allied himself with) will you invite these many millions of Israeli Jews to settle in your country now? People obsessed with demonizing Israel and/or Jews don't seem to like them when they have power (now a strong state) or when also they don't have power (most of Jewish history). Jews have collectively "chosen" that having more power (of a strong state) is a better position.

The Israeli demonisers as you call them demonise Israel quite rightly for their war crimes and over-the-top out and out murder of innocent Palestinian civilians. They demonise Israel for blatant land grabbing. They demonise Israel for deliberately avoiding peace as an excuse to continue ethnic cleansing and more land grabbing. None of the "Israel demonisers" indicate Israel should not exist.

There is a HUGE difference between saying Israel should not exist and Israel should stop settlement building on Palestinian farms.

[Ulysses G.]

Quite a few Israel demonizers have said that Israel should not exist and that it should be destroyed. Others believe it in private, but don't come out and say it in public, because it would give their game away. They concentrate on lies and baseless charges like accusing Israel of "ethnic cleansing."

Edited September 30, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[chuckd]

Quite a few Israel demonizers have said that Israel should not exist and that it should be destroyed. Others believe it in private, but don't come out and say it in public, because it would give their game away. They concentrate on lies and baseless charges like accusing Israel of "ethnic cleansing."

SeaStallion has already said in another thread that Israel should not exist. It is hardly a secret where his sympathies lie.

[Jingthing]

In any case, it's obvious that Hamas (which Abbas has joined up with politically) is fighting for Israel not to exist. Don't be surprised if Israel continues to object.

Referring back to the OP, Israel is not committing genocide against the Palestinian people. There are legit reasons to criticize specific Israeli policies regarding the Palestinians, but pushing the BIG LIE of genocide is not a path towards any kind of peace process. The Palestinian population in Gaza and WB continues to INCREASE. 20 percent of Israelis citizens are Arabs ... nobody is building death camps for them. That is not genocide. Hamas and Abbas -- stop lying.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Jingthing

[Seastallion]

Quite a few Israel demonizers have said that Israel should not exist and that it should be destroyed. Others believe it in private, but don't come out and say it in public, because it would give their game away. They concentrate on lies and baseless charges like accusing Israel of "ethnic cleansing."

SeaStallion has already said in another thread that Israel should not exist. It is hardly a secret where his sympathies lie.

Point that out to us please....and if you just put a quote, make sure you quote me fully and in context.

Context will be important.

I don't read UG's usual blather, but of course when he's quoted, I can't help but see it....seems he is a mind reader! He knows what people think in private. Amazing.

[Seastallion]

In any case, it's obvious that Hamas (which Abbas has joined up with politically) is fighting for Israel not to exist. Don't be surprised if Israel continues to object.

Referring back to the OP, Israel is not committing genocide against the Palestinian people. There are legit reasons to criticize specific Israeli policies regarding the Palestinians, but pushing the BIG LIE of genocide is not a path towards any kind of peace process. The Palestinian population in Gaza and WB continues to INCREASE. 20 percent of Israelis citizens are Arabs ... nobody is building death camps for them. That is not genocide. Hamas and Abbas -- stop lying.

" 20 percent of Israelis citizens are Arabs ", Arabs that do not have the same rights or benefits of Israeli Jews. Apartheid.

There is enough evidence to show that the Zionist agenda for over 100 years has been to "cleanse" Palestine of Arabs. There is enough evidence to show that they do it by stealth and piecemeal...they know the world would not countenance overt "cleansing", so the argument that the Israelis could have wiped them out easily is hollow and meaningless.

The word "genocide" may be slightly, if strictly, off the mark, but "ethnic cleansing" would fit. Ethnic cleansing is no better than genocide, so it makes no difference what you want to call it.

[Jingthing]

In any case, it's obvious that Hamas (which Abbas has joined up with politically) is fighting for Israel not to exist. Don't be surprised if Israel continues to object.

Referring back to the OP, Israel is not committing genocide against the Palestinian people. There are legit reasons to criticize specific Israeli policies regarding the Palestinians, but pushing the BIG LIE of genocide is not a path towards any kind of peace process. The Palestinian population in Gaza and WB continues to INCREASE. 20 percent of Israelis citizens are Arabs ... nobody is building death camps for them. That is not genocide. Hamas and Abbas -- stop lying.

" 20 percent of Israelis citizens are Arabs ", Arabs that do not have the same rights or benefits of Israeli Jews. Apartheid.

There is enough evidence to show that the Zionist agenda for over 100 years has been to "cleanse" Palestine of Arabs. There is enough evidence to show that they do it by stealth and piecemeal...they know the world would not countenance overt "cleansing", so the argument that the Israelis could have wiped them out easily is hollow and meaningless.

The word "genocide" may be slightly, if strictly, off the mark, but "ethnic cleansing" would fit. Ethnic cleansing is no better than genocide, so it makes no difference what you want to call it.

Repeat the same blatant big lies irrationally demonizing Israel enough times and I guess many ignorant people will believe them.

[Ulysses G.]

Only ignorant people though.The facts are easy to find.The Palestinians have one of the fastest growing populations in the world with one of the highest obesity rates.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Thorgal]

What will happen with all overseas/foreign IDF soldiers if UN and ICC come to a final verdict or condemnation of Israel in war crimes, genocide, crimes against humanity, deportation, etc...?

Will they be free to circulate into Western countries ?

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/meast/israeli-military-americans/

Edited September 30, 2014 by Thorgal

[Ulysses G.]

Quite a few Israel demonizers have said that Israel should not exist and that it should be destroyed. Others believe it in private, but don't come out and say it in public, because it would give their game away. They concentrate on lies and baseless charges like accusing Israel of "ethnic cleansing."

SeaStallion has already said in another thread that Israel should not exist. It is hardly a secret where his sympathies lie.

That is for sure.

[Jingthing]

What will happen with all overseas/foreign IDF soldiers if UN and ICC come to a final verdict or condemnation of Israel in war crimes, genocide, crimes against humanity, deportation, etc...?

Will they be free to circulate into Western countries ?

That's a good question.

These brave soldiers might be legally vulnerable.

The U.N. will do what they will do.

Their absurd and unfair bias against Israel reveals that they lack credibility.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Jingthing

[Pakboong]

Only ignorant people though.The facts are easy to find.The Palestinians have one of the fastest growing populations in the world with one of the highest obesity rates.

I can't imagine what those ignorant anti-semites at the UN will come up with this time.

[Ulysses G.]

Good point. The U.N. "Human Rights Council" have been anything but. What a bunch of hypocrites.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Seastallion]

In any case, it's obvious that Hamas (which Abbas has joined up with politically) is fighting for Israel not to exist. Don't be surprised if Israel continues to object.

Referring back to the OP, Israel is not committing genocide against the Palestinian people. There are legit reasons to criticize specific Israeli policies regarding the Palestinians, but pushing the BIG LIE of genocide is not a path towards any kind of peace process. The Palestinian population in Gaza and WB continues to INCREASE. 20 percent of Israelis citizens are Arabs ... nobody is building death camps for them. That is not genocide. Hamas and Abbas -- stop lying.

" 20 percent of Israelis citizens are Arabs ", Arabs that do not have the same rights or benefits of Israeli Jews. Apartheid.

There is enough evidence to show that the Zionist agenda for over 100 years has been to "cleanse" Palestine of Arabs. There is enough evidence to show that they do it by stealth and piecemeal...they know the world would not countenance overt "cleansing", so the argument that the Israelis could have wiped them out easily is hollow and meaningless.

The word "genocide" may be slightly, if strictly, off the mark, but "ethnic cleansing" would fit. Ethnic cleansing is no better than genocide, so it makes no difference what you want to call it.

Repeat the same blatant big lies irrationally demonizing Israel enough times and I guess many ignorant people will believe them.

Please point out what is irrational and what is a lie.

Common knowledge hardly needs proof....but then, if you keep on saying it's a lie, some ignorant people will believe you.

[Jingthing]

Please point out what is irrational and what is a lie.

Common knowledge hardly needs proof....but then, if you keep on saying it's a lie, some ignorant people will believe you.

Sure thing, mate. Not taking your troll bait. True it on somewhere else.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Jingthing

[Ulysses G.]

In any case, it's obvious that Hamas (which Abbas has joined up with politically) is fighting for Israel not to exist. Don't be surprised if Israel continues to object.

Referring back to the OP, Israel is not committing genocide against the Palestinian people. There are legit reasons to criticize specific Israeli policies regarding the Palestinians, but pushing the BIG LIE of genocide is not a path towards any kind of peace process. The Palestinian population in Gaza and WB continues to INCREASE. 20 percent of Israelis citizens are Arabs ... nobody is building death camps for them. That is not genocide. Hamas and Abbas -- stop lying.

" 20 percent of Israelis citizens are Arabs ", Arabs that do not have the same rights or benefits of Israeli Jews. Apartheid.

There is enough evidence to show that the Zionist agenda for over 100 years has been to "cleanse" Palestine of Arabs. There is enough evidence to show that they do it by stealth and piecemeal...they know the world would not countenance overt "cleansing", so the argument that the Israelis could have wiped them out easily is hollow and meaningless.

The word "genocide" may be slightly, if strictly, off the mark, but "ethnic cleansing" would fit. Ethnic cleansing is no better than genocide, so it makes no difference what you want to call it.

Repeat the same blatant big lies irrationally demonizing Israel enough times and I guess many ignorant people will believe them.

Please point out what is irrational and what is a lie.

The post that Jingthing replied to is a perfect example of both. Your "ethnic cleansing" theory is delusional hate speech.

[Asiantravel]

Quite a few Israel demonizers have said that Israel should not exist and that it should be destroyed. Others believe it in private, but don't come out and say it in public, because it would give their game away. They concentrate on lies and baseless charges like accusing Israel of "ethnic cleansing."

erm............... .but what if it's Jews Against Genocide (JAG) who are the ones protesting?

We, Jews Against Genocide (JAG), came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.

We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazans face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.

We invite compassionate people from across the globe to join the outcry by staging similar protests in front of Israeli embassies and consulates around the world.

http://beforeitsnews.com/israel/2014/07/jews-letter-from-israel-about-israeli-genocide-of-gaza-claims-2446624.html

[Ulysses G.]

but what if it's Jews Against Genocide (JAG) who are the ones protesting?

There are plenty of Jews who have all different opinions on everything. There are even Jewish Nazis. Every culture has fringe groups.

Anybody who identifies as anti-Zionist, even if one professes to be Jewish, cannot be considered anything other than a representative of a very marginal group in the Jewish world.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/The-real-nature-of-Jewish-anti-Zionists

[Ulysses G.]

Every country kills civilians by mistake during wartime. If the UN penalizes Israel, they would be subject to the same treatment. It ain't going to happen.

[Jingthing]

Every country kills civilians by mistake during wartime. If the UN penalizes Israel, they would be subject to the same treatment. It ain't going to happen.

The UN has one standard for Israel and another standard for every other country.

Interesting coincidence that Israel is the one and only Jewish state on the planet.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Jingthing

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory posts and replies deleted.

Stay on topic, please.

[Asiantravel]

Every country kills civilians by mistake during wartime. If the UN penalizes Israel, they would be subject to the same treatment. It ain't going to happen.

" Every country kills civilians by mistake during wartime. "

And the star prize goes to…………

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/30/5937119/palestinian-civilian-casualties-gaza-israel

[Ulysses G.]

Sorry to burst your blatant lie bubble, but the IDF’s civilian-to-terrorist death ratio is the lowest in the world.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Thorgal]

Sorry to burst your blatant lie bubble, but the IDF’s civilian-to-terrorist death ratio is the lowest in the world.

There is no lower limit to the number of people on which acts of genocide may be committed.

[Thorgal]

What will happen with all overseas/foreign IDF soldiers if UN and ICC come to a final verdict or condemnation of Israel in war crimes, genocide, crimes against humanity, deportation, etc...?

Will they be free to circulate into Western countries ?

That's a good question.

These brave soldiers might be legally vulnerable.

The U.N. will do what they will do.

Their absurd and unfair bias against Israel reveals that they lack credibility.

Since when are IDF soldiers brave when they're sniping children when they play ?

Are these kind of soldiers legally invulnerable ?

Which country can reject these crimes of war ?

Is this an exception ?

Edited September 30, 2014 by Thorgal

[Jingthing]

Since when are IDF soldiers brave when they're sniping children when they play ?

...

When did you stop beating your wife?

[chuckd]

Quite a few Israel demonizers have said that Israel should not exist and that it should be destroyed. Others believe it in private, but don't come out and say it in public, because it would give their game away. They concentrate on lies and baseless charges like accusing Israel of "ethnic cleansing."

SeaStallion has already said in another thread that Israel should not exist. It is hardly a secret where his sympathies lie.

Point that out to us please....and if you just put a quote, make sure you quote me fully and in context.

Context will be important.

I don't read UG's usual blather, but of course when he's quoted, I can't help but see it....seems he is a mind reader! He knows what people think in private. Amazing.

Ask and ye shall receive.

Following is your entire post in question, without <snips> and in full.

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"If the state of Israel hadn't been created in the first place, there would be no need for Palestinians to protest with violence."

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The post can be found here and is numbered 171: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/753213-gaza-conflict-truce-ends-amid-fresh-fighting/page-7

Spin away.

[NeverSure]

Quite a few Israel demonizers have said that Israel should not exist and that it should be destroyed. Others believe it in private, but don't come out and say it in public, because it would give their game away. They concentrate on lies and baseless charges like accusing Israel of "ethnic cleansing."

SeaStallion has already said in another thread that Israel should not exist. It is hardly a secret where his sympathies lie.

Point that out to us please....and if you just put a quote, make sure you quote me fully and in context.

Context will be important.

I don't read UG's usual blather, but of course when he's quoted, I can't help but see it....seems he is a mind reader! He knows what people think in private. Amazing.

Ask and ye shall receive.

Following is your entire post in question, without <snips> and in full.

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"If the state of Israel hadn't been created in the first place, there would be no need for Palestinians to protest with violence."

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The post can be found here and is numbered 171: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/753213-gaza-conflict-truce-ends-amid-fresh-fighting/page-7

Spin away.

Let's get something straight. There never was a people called Palestinians, nor was there ever a country called Palestine until those people hijacked the names and began to call themselves and their squatting place that in the 1980's.

Historically there was a region called Palestine but it encompassed several countries, some of which still exist. None of them were Palestinians.

So it would also be accurate to say that if that unwanted band of nomads hadn't settled in what they call Palestine and started to stir up crap, there would be no Palestinians at all, much less to "protest with violence."

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian" unless you buy into their fraud.

Israel was stupid to let them settle there in the first place.

[Bwanatickey]

Only ignorant people though.The facts are easy to find.The Palestinians have one of the fastest growing populations in the world with one of the highest obesity rates.

I can't imagine what those ignorant anti-semites at the UN will come up with this time.

A bombing campaign by U.N members to conduct an air bombing campaign against the Islamic State Syrian free army.

That has had a metamorphosis.