2010 Unrest: Japan again demands answer over reporter's death

[rubl]

After you substantiate that allegation, can you share some of your photos of Jatuporn to substantiate that claim?

I can show you the photos I took inside the red camp headquarters.

I can also show you pictures of the yellow mob, heavily armed black shirts too.

Baseball bats, spears, machetes, slingshots.

You want to see pics of army snipers positioned up on the sky train tracks?

Have those too.

I got inside the secure area while BBC, CNN etc were held back.

and then the journalists who wrote that they were expressly warned not to write too much, or those who wrote about 'friendly' encounters in the night.

Anyway, April 10th, 2010 was really a day filled with friendly people. Mind you, we've had posters complain about the army starting their drive to remove the 'friendly' protesters at the totally wrong hour of the day. Not cricket and so.

[KunMatt]

According to the court, the Italian journalist that was covering the Army crackdown on red shirts was also targeted and killed by an Army bullet fired from the direction of the Army.

These murders happened right after my Thai friends told me to stay away from the yellow shirt mob I had been photographing. (I have a big camera)

I ignored my friends advice and went back to take more pictures and several irate yellow shirts came at me and asked if I was a journalist? I hot footed it out of there.

By contrast, I was also taking pictures at the red shirt mob and they invited me in, behind the secure area to photograph Jutaporn and the red leaders.

Can you please link to reports that the Italian reporter was *targeted* by the army.

After you substantiate that allegation, can you share some of your photos of Jatuporn to substantiate that claim?

I can show you the photos I took inside the red camp headquarters.

I can also show you pictures of the yellow mob, heavily armed black shirts too.

Baseball bats, spears, machetes, slingshots.

You want to see pics of army snipers positioned up on the sky train tracks?

Have those too.

I got inside the secure area while BBC, CNN etc were held back.

Yes please. Show me all the photos of these "peaceful protesters" as they called themselves. Show me the pics of the black shirt militia who the red shirt leaders all said didn't exist. Show me pics of all the cache of arms and M79s that these peaceful demonstrators ammassed and used against civilian targets in dense publics areas. Shows me photos of the fortified CBD that they aggressively defended and held to ransom for a month, that would be good too.

Just anything you have to substantiate all the claims that these poor victims were simply innocent passive protesters and not at all an armed mob of terrorists out to provoke a war with the army.

Edited October 3, 2014 by KunMatt

[billd766]

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We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is.

Actually we DON'T all know the soldiers did it as there is no conclusive proof and neither the RTP nor the DSI can change that.

Perhaps in your mind it is a fixed truth but it certainly is NOT in everybodys mind.

If you KNOW who is responsible then please name the name/names.

If not then IMO which counts in Thailand just the same amount as yours then I reckon it is the guy from Dubai who is responsible.

Actually people don't want to accept the fact that the soldiers did it. The reporter Hiro Muramoto was between the red shirts and the Thai military. The Thai military initially claimed to be shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and only shooting live rounds into the air. However, video footage showed soldiers firing assault rifles in fully automatic fire mode in the direction of protesters. Protest leaders claimed that a number of people were hit by army snipers from nearby buildings. The military later admitted that troops fired live rounds directly at protesters, allegedly shooting only single rounds to protect injured troops retreating from the clashes. Do you really believe the Red Shirts out armed the Thai military? I doubt it unless you include sticks and rocks and burning tires as a match for a M-16.

Have you ever been in the military? Have you ever fired an automatic rifle on full automatic?

If the rifle has a 30 round magazine then all 30 rounds will be expended in about 10 seconds and anyone in the line of fire will be hit and the weapon will pr#obably pull left of right and up or down unless it is held properly. If it was a 5.56 round and hit somebody at 100 metres there will be more than one or two entry wounds. If it was a 7.62 round it would have thrown the photographer backwards and he would have had a lot od damage done to him.

Now I don't know whay the autopsy said about his injuries but I personally don't believe that he was hit by a burst of automatic fire as he was not on his own with nobody near or behind him or there would have been more casualties.

[Robby nz]

It is no accident that the Japanese have come back at this time to ask if there have been any new developments in the investigation into the reporters death.

They have seen the recent arrests of MIB and the associated arms that have been found and hope that those arrested and subsequent investigations may be able to shed light on the reporters death.

They know very well that if there had been any hint that the army shot the reporter Tarit would have been all over it with another murder accusation against Abhisit.

It is a fact that Tarit and Chalerm in their time under the PT Govt never made any attempt to look into any deaths caused by the armed elements of the reds either in 2010 or 1014 so the Japanese know they have had no chance of getting any investigation let alone result in the time of the previous Govt.

[fab4]

I joined the forum in October 2013, but no matter, you only have a passing relationship with reality, so it really is pointless trying to reason with you. I presume you think that army officers are in a habit of carrying starting pistols and he was only there to officiate over the annual UDD three legged race.

Ah yes, around the time PhiPhiDon was banned, wasn't it?

You trying to assert something? If you have a problem with my joining the forum last year - I presume you think I'm a previously banned member, why not take it up with the mods? I'm sure they'll be interested in your comments

If not and you have nothing worthwhile to add, probably best just to keep quiet, it's hardly edifying.

Edited October 3, 2014 by fab4

[fab4]

Yes please. Show me all the photos of these "peaceful protesters" as they called themselves. Show me the pics of the black shirt militia who the red shirt leaders all said didn't exist. Show me pics of all the cache of arms and M79s that these peaceful demonstrators ammassed and used against civilian targets in dense publics areas. Shows me photos of the fortified CBD that they aggressively defended and held to ransom for a month, that would be good too.

Just anything you have to substantiate all the claims that these poor victims were simply innocent passive protesters and not at all an armed mob of terrorists out to provoke a war with the army.

Just anything you have to substantiate all the claims that these poor victims were simply innocent passive protesters and not at all an armed mob of terrorists out to provoke a war with the army.

Are you for real?

[AleG]

I joined the forum in October 2013, but no matter, you only have a passing relationship with reality, so it really is pointless trying to reason with you. I presume you think that army officers are in a habit of carrying starting pistols and he was only there to officiate over the annual UDD three legged race.

Ah yes, around the time PhiPhiDon was banned, wasn't it?

You trying to assert something? If you have a problem with my joining the forum last year - I presume you think I'm a previously banned member, why not take it up with the mods? I'm sure they'll be interested in your comments

If not and you have nothing worthwhile to add, probably best just to keep quiet, it's hardly edifying.

PhiPhiDon/Fab4, paraphrasing the saying, it's better to keep your mouth shut and look shameless than open it and remove all doubt.

[jayboy]

It is no accident that the Japanese have come back at this time to ask if there have been any new developments in the investigation into the reporters death.

They have seen the recent arrests of MIB and the associated arms that have been found and hope that those arrested and subsequent investigations may be able to shed light on the reporters death.

They know very well that if there had been any hint that the army shot the reporter Tarit would have been all over it with another murder accusation against Abhisit.

It is a fact that Tarit and Chalerm in their time under the PT Govt never made any attempt to look into any deaths caused by the armed elements of the reds either in 2010 or 1014 so the Japanese know they have had no chance of getting any investigation let alone result in the time of the previous Govt.

The Japanese Embassy and Foreign Ministry have never let up in their pursuit of the truth.Your interpretation of their motives has no basis in fact.In fact it's an asinine guess to fit in with your muddled ideas of the Men in Black, protestors who ran into bullets, innocent Generals and no doubt other theories that some oldsters cherish.Normally I wouldn't comment on your nonsense but in this case there is in fact plenty of evidence (also covered on this forum as well as independent sources) that the reporter was murdered by the army, whether deliberately or by accident isn't clear.

[fab4]

PhiPhiDon/Fab4, paraphrasing the saying, it's better to keep your mouth shut and look shameless than open it and remove all doubt.

Really? That's it? Personal attacks and accusations? Excuse me while I find something worthwhile to read.

[khunjamesjohnson]

Very interesting.

The opinions of Desmond Ball, Australia National University, leading expert on Thai security issues.

[KunMatt]

Just anything you have to substantiate all the claims that these poor victims were simply innocent passive protesters and not at all an armed mob of terrorists out to provoke a war with the army.

Are you for real?

Well it was sarcastic because I was alluding to the fact that they were obviously an armed mob of terrorists whose only intention was to provoke a war with the army so eventually they overthrow the government and be in power just to bring back 1 man who was/is on the run, get him forgiven and thus get all of his confiscated money back. All of this proved to be true when they actually did get into power and try to get amnesty for said man so he could return and get his money back.

Isn't that all exactly what happened?

[whybother]

Very interesting.

The opinions of Desmond Ball, Australia National University, leading expert on Thai security issues.

A very interesting interview. Some interesting tidbits on why Sae Daeng was killed and about the red shirt snipers.

[Robby nz]

It is no accident that the Japanese have come back at this time to ask if there have been any new developments in the investigation into the reporters death.

They have seen the recent arrests of MIB and the associated arms that have been found and hope that those arrested and subsequent investigations may be able to shed light on the reporters death.

They know very well that if there had been any hint that the army shot the reporter Tarit would have been all over it with another murder accusation against Abhisit.

It is a fact that Tarit and Chalerm in their time under the PT Govt never made any attempt to look into any deaths caused by the armed elements of the reds either in 2010 or 1014 so the Japanese know they have had no chance of getting any investigation let alone result in the time of the previous Govt.

The Japanese Embassy and Foreign Ministry have never let up in their pursuit of the truth.Your interpretation of their motives has no basis in fact.In fact it's an asinine guess to fit in with your muddled ideas of the Men in Black, protestors who ran into bullets, innocent Generals and no doubt other theories that some oldsters cherish.Normally I wouldn't comment on your nonsense but in this case there is in fact plenty of evidence (also covered on this forum as well as independent sources) that the reporter was murdered by the army, whether deliberately or by accident isn't clear.

All you can do is come up with insults.

There is no evidence the Japanese reporter was shot by the army if there had been Tarit and Chalerm would have made sure it was pinned on Abhisit and Suthep.

[AleG]

It is no accident that the Japanese have come back at this time to ask if there have been any new developments in the investigation into the reporters death.

They have seen the recent arrests of MIB and the associated arms that have been found and hope that those arrested and subsequent investigations may be able to shed light on the reporters death.

They know very well that if there had been any hint that the army shot the reporter Tarit would have been all over it with another murder accusation against Abhisit.

It is a fact that Tarit and Chalerm in their time under the PT Govt never made any attempt to look into any deaths caused by the armed elements of the reds either in 2010 or 1014 so the Japanese know they have had no chance of getting any investigation let alone result in the time of the previous Govt.

The Japanese Embassy and Foreign Ministry have never let up in their pursuit of the truth.Your interpretation of their motives has no basis in fact.In fact it's an asinine guess to fit in with your muddled ideas of the Men in Black, protestors who ran into bullets, innocent Generals and no doubt other theories that some oldsters cherish.Normally I wouldn't comment on your nonsense but in this case there is in fact plenty of evidence (also covered on this forum as well as independent sources) that the reporter was murdered by the army, whether deliberately or by accident isn't clear.

I'm trying to figure how does someone murder a person by accident.

[jayboy]

It is no accident that the Japanese have come back at this time to ask if there have been any new developments in the investigation into the reporters death.

They have seen the recent arrests of MIB and the associated arms that have been found and hope that those arrested and subsequent investigations may be able to shed light on the reporters death.

They know very well that if there had been any hint that the army shot the reporter Tarit would have been all over it with another murder accusation against Abhisit.

It is a fact that Tarit and Chalerm in their time under the PT Govt never made any attempt to look into any deaths caused by the armed elements of the reds either in 2010 or 1014 so the Japanese know they have had no chance of getting any investigation let alone result in the time of the previous Govt.

The Japanese Embassy and Foreign Ministry have never let up in their pursuit of the truth.Your interpretation of their motives has no basis in fact.In fact it's an asinine guess to fit in with your muddled ideas of the Men in Black, protestors who ran into bullets, innocent Generals and no doubt other theories that some oldsters cherish.Normally I wouldn't comment on your nonsense but in this case there is in fact plenty of evidence (also covered on this forum as well as independent sources) that the reporter was murdered by the army, whether deliberately or by accident isn't clear.

All you can do is come up with insults.

There is no evidence the Japanese reporter was shot by the army if there had been Tarit and Chalerm would have made sure it was pinned on Abhisit and Suthep.

Please don't make up stuff.You came up with invented reasons for the renewed Japanese interest in the case.In fact the pressure from Tokyo has been consistent.Furthermore there is , as any knowledge of the case would confirm, considerable evidence that the weapon used was fired by the military towards the redshirts and journalists.Earlier army claims that weapons had been fired in the air were shown by video evidence to be lies.

[rubl]

It is no accident that the Japanese have come back at this time to ask if there have been any new developments in the investigation into the reporters death.

They have seen the recent arrests of MIB and the associated arms that have been found and hope that those arrested and subsequent investigations may be able to shed light on the reporters death.

They know very well that if there had been any hint that the army shot the reporter Tarit would have been all over it with another murder accusation against Abhisit.

It is a fact that Tarit and Chalerm in their time under the PT Govt never made any attempt to look into any deaths caused by the armed elements of the reds either in 2010 or 1014 so the Japanese know they have had no chance of getting any investigation let alone result in the time of the previous Govt.

The Japanese Embassy and Foreign Ministry have never let up in their pursuit of the truth.Your interpretation of their motives has no basis in fact.In fact it's an asinine guess to fit in with your muddled ideas of the Men in Black, protestors who ran into bullets, innocent Generals and no doubt other theories that some oldsters cherish.Normally I wouldn't comment on your nonsense but in this case there is in fact plenty of evidence (also covered on this forum as well as independent sources) that the reporter was murdered by the army, whether deliberately or by accident isn't clear.

All you can do is come up with insults.

There is no evidence the Japanese reporter was shot by the army if there had been Tarit and Chalerm would have made sure it was pinned on Abhisit and Suthep.

Please don't make up stuff.You came up with invented reasons for the renewed Japanese interest in the case.In fact the pressure from Tokyo has been consistent.Furthermore there is , as any knowledge of the case would confirm, considerable evidence that the weapon used was fired by the military towards the redshirts and journalists.Earlier army claims that weapons had been fired in the air were shown by video evidence to be lies.

Well, certainly when the army was retreating in near panic from the peaceful protesters, they were shooting, exchanging gunfire with those 'peaceful protesters'.

[Robby nz]

It is no accident that the Japanese have come back at this time to ask if there have been any new developments in the investigation into the reporters death.

They have seen the recent arrests of MIB and the associated arms that have been found and hope that those arrested and subsequent investigations may be able to shed light on the reporters death.

They know very well that if there had been any hint that the army shot the reporter Tarit would have been all over it with another murder accusation against Abhisit.

It is a fact that Tarit and Chalerm in their time under the PT Govt never made any attempt to look into any deaths caused by the armed elements of the reds either in 2010 or 1014 so the Japanese know they have had no chance of getting any investigation let alone result in the time of the previous Govt.

The Japanese Embassy and Foreign Ministry have never let up in their pursuit of the truth.Your interpretation of their motives has no basis in fact.In fact it's an asinine guess to fit in with your muddled ideas of the Men in Black, protestors who ran into bullets, innocent Generals and no doubt other theories that some oldsters cherish.Normally I wouldn't comment on your nonsense but in this case there is in fact plenty of evidence (also covered on this forum as well as independent sources) that the reporter was murdered by the army, whether deliberately or by accident isn't clear.

All you can do is come up with insults.

There is no evidence the Japanese reporter was shot by the army if there had been Tarit and Chalerm would have made sure it was pinned on Abhisit and Suthep.

Please don't make up stuff.You came up with invented reasons for the renewed Japanese interest in the case.In fact the pressure from Tokyo has been consistent.Furthermore there is , as any knowledge of the case would confirm, considerable evidence that the weapon used was fired by the military towards the redshirts and journalists.Earlier army claims that weapons had been fired in the air were shown by video evidence to be lies.

More insults.

Please show your proof of constant pressure by the Japanese, for instance links to previous visits from the ambassador.

Could any pressure have been treated the same as the constant pressure on Tarit from the widow of the army officer slain by grenade, that pressure is well documented as is his ignoring of it.

There is consistent evidence in video as well as still photos and testimony from reporters as well as others of shots being fired towards the army and journalists by armed elements of the reds.

[quandow]

Is it possible to suggest ballistics folks get involved? Fawk!

[whybother]

Is it possible to suggest ballistics folks get involved? Fawk!

How would that help if both sides were using similar weapons?

[daveAustin]

Well I for one hope they don't push too hard lest the police scapegoat more innocent Burmese.

[khunjamesjohnson]

The Thai military initially claimed to be shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and only shooting live rounds into the air. However, video footage showed soldiers firing assault rifles in the direction of protesters.

The military later admitted that troops fired live rounds directly at protesters.

[whybother]

The Thai military initially claimed to be shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and only shooting live rounds into the air. However, video footage showed soldiers firing assault rifles in the direction of protesters.

The military later admitted that troops fired live rounds directly at protesters.

Breaking news??? I'm not sure how that proves that the reporter was shot by soldiers.

Edited October 4, 2014 by whybother

[khunjamesjohnson]

The Thai military initially claimed to be shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and only shooting live rounds into the air. However, video footage showed soldiers firing assault rifles in the direction of protesters.

The military later admitted that troops fired live rounds directly at protesters.

Breaking news??? I'm not sure how that proves that the reporter was shot by soldiers.

It only proves they lied about shooting at protesters until the video surfaced.

It was proved the army shot that Italian reporter and they are currently intimidating journalists.

[whybother]

The Thai military initially claimed to be shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and only shooting live rounds into the air. However, video footage showed soldiers firing assault rifles in the direction of protesters.

The military later admitted that troops fired live rounds directly at protesters.

Breaking news??? I'm not sure how that proves that the reporter was shot by soldiers.

It only proves they lied about shooting at protesters until the video surfaced.

It was proved the army shot that Italian reporter and they are currently intimidating journalists.

Even when the Italian reporter was shot, he was caught in the cross fire between armed red shirts and the army.

What intimidation are they doing now, and what does that have to do with 4 years ago?

edit: the red shirts also lied about there being armed protesters.

Edited October 4, 2014 by whybother

[KunMatt]

The Thai military initially claimed to be shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and only shooting live rounds into the air. However, video footage showed soldiers firing assault rifles in the direction of protesters.

The military later admitted that troops fired live rounds directly at protesters.

Breaking news??? I'm not sure how that proves that the reporter was shot by soldiers.

It only proves they lied about shooting at protesters until the video surfaced.

It was proved the army shot that Italian reporter and they are currently intimidating journalists.

The red shirts bare face lied that the black shirt militia didn't exist and that there were no armed red shirt protesters on the 10th April dispite there being videos straight away showing both black shirts and red shirts shooting at the army.

You are in the minority with your beliefs and unrelenting support for the reds because nearly all the other expat red supporters from 2010 have faced the facts. It seems like there's only about 4 of you left (3 if fab4 is PhiPhiDon!) and all 3 of you just troll any thread that is barely to do with the 2010 riots.

Either you believe in the Red's big lie, which makes you a total fool, or you are just trolling this forum by being reactionist cry babies and disputing hard facts.

[khunjamesjohnson]

I'm not a red supporter.

Far from it. I am for a fair vote and laws that protect the losers.

When the Democrats refused international election observers after complaining about vote rigging for a decade, the jig was up.

I'll support protesters vs military strongman every time.

[KunMatt]

I'm not a red supporter.

Far from it. I am for a fair vote and laws that protect the losers.

When the Democrats refused international election observers after complaining about vote rigging for a decade, the jig was up.

I'll support protesters vs military strongman every time.

So to you that totally justified the Reds to come and take over and hold Bangkok to ransom using mob rule and loot, pillage and kill however they saw fit did it? Edited October 4, 2014 by KunMatt