mataleo Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Uk police going to thailand http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11171148/British-police-to-fly-to-Thailand-to-probe-brutal-murder-of-two-young-tourists.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Uk police going to thailand http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11171148/British-police-to-fly-to-Thailand-to-probe-brutal-murder-of-two-young-tourists.html are they DNA experts?? are they going to read Thai police investigation documents in Thai ?? What exactly do they hope to achieve /?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roel Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Finally some good news and immediately a negative comment. I must be on ThaiVisa. If UK police are going to check DNA tests and results I naively assume they send people who are capable of and have experience in doing this. Also UK police might be aware that in Thailand the Thai language is used and that it differs somewhat from English so the need will arise for a professional interpreter. They exactly hope to achieve that based on the evidence presented by the RTP it can be concluded that the two Burmese boys are the real murderers/rapists OR that they are NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Finally some good news and immediately a negative comment. I must be on ThaiVisa. If UK police are going to check DNA tests and results I naively assume they send people who are capable of and have experience in doing this. Also UK police might be aware that in Thailand the Thai language is used and that it differs somewhat from English so the need will arise for a professional interpreter. They exactly hope to achieve that based on the evidence presented by the RTP it can be concluded that the two Burmese boys are the real murderers/rapists OR that they are NOT. Not negative, logical.Yes they can have Thai fantasy reports ( if it is a cover up ) translated but they cant check the truth of those reports. The only real thing that they can do is check DNA in the UK, everything else can be surrounded by RTP fog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Finally some good news and immediately a negative comment. I must be on ThaiVisa. If UK police are going to check DNA tests and results I naively assume they send people who are capable of and have experience in doing this. Also UK police might be aware that in Thailand the Thai language is used and that it differs somewhat from English so the need will arise for a professional interpreter. They exactly hope to achieve that based on the evidence presented by the RTP it can be concluded that the two Burmese boys are the real murderers/rapists OR that they are NOT. double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubaPhuket Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 There is now a petition for an independent investigation :- 10000 signatures are needed,still 2,207 NEEDED, it will go to Mark Kent, the UK ambassador to Thailand Please sign!!! https://www.change.o....d-miller#share Report any information you may have anonymously - no matter how small you think it is to UHRC http://www.samuitimes.com/human-rights-commission-thailand-ask-anonymous-information-koh-tao-murders/ Don't use Samui Times as an agent. Report directly to the proper international authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 3 Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 There is now a petition for an independent investigation :- 10000 signatures are needed,still 2,207 NEEDED, it will go to Mark Kent, the UK ambassador to Thailand Please sign!!! https://www.change.o....d-miller#share Report any information you may have anonymously - no matter how small you think it is to UHRChttp://www.samuitimes.com/human-rights-commission-thailand-ask-anonymous-information-koh-tao-murders/ Don't use Samui Times as an agent. Report directly to the proper international authorities. Mate it's a link to the national human rights committee that was run on AD s blog the times and change org etc. reporting to a newspaper is ridiculous ain't it. READ and learn mate. Appreciate the loss of respect over your misread though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 3 Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 There is now a petition for an independent investigation :- 10000 signatures are needed,still 2,207 NEEDED, it will go to Mark Kent, the UK ambassador to Thailand Please sign!!! https://www.change.o....d-miller#share Report any information you may have anonymously - no matter how small you think it is to UHRChttp://www.samuitimes.com/human-rights-commission-thailand-ask-anonymous-information-koh-tao-murders/ Don't use Samui Times as an agent. Report directly to the proper international authorities. Mate it's a link to the national human rights committee that was run on AD s blog the times and change org etc. reporting to a newspaper is ridiculous ain't it. READ and learn mate. Appreciate the loss of respect over your misread though So hang on the Samui times is also run by the mafia ? That's a bit of a stretch that a local independent newspaper is mafia ? I ve perused that paper a lot to be honest I think that team does a cracking job. Why would you say that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubaPhuket Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Don't use Samui Times as an agent. Report directly to the proper international authorities. Mate it's a link to the national human rights committee that was run on AD s blog the times and change org etc. reporting to a newspaper is ridiculous ain't it. READ and learn mate. Appreciate the loss of respect over your misread though Just being cautious.. m8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Flame posts have been removed as well as a reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 3 Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Don't use Samui Times as an agent. Report directly to the proper international authorities. Mate it's a link to the national human rights committee that was run on AD s blog the times and change org etc.reporting to a newspaper is ridiculous ain't it. READ and learn mate. Appreciate the loss of respect over your misread though Just being cautious.. m8. Change org ran the same direct phone number and email as a direct line of reportage. Should we have ignored that too ? Change org mafia as well perhaps ? Mate you have been in Phuket a little too long. Not everyone is mafia, although the mafia has a prolific presence in many sectors of island society. Anyway it's your logic skills that leave me flabbergasted. Save these posts and re read them when you're sober. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Uk police going to thailand http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11171148/British-police-to-fly-to-Thailand-to-probe-brutal-murder-of-two-young-tourists.html are they DNA experts?? are they going to read Thai police investigation documents in Thai ?? What exactly do they hope to achieve /?? Have you ever heard of a translator - or is this beyond your comprehension, and for all you know maybe one of those chosen to visit may ever be Thai or skilled in the language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Uk police going to thailand http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11171148/British-police-to-fly-to-Thailand-to-probe-brutal-murder-of-two-young-tourists.html are they DNA experts?? are they going to read Thai police investigation documents in Thai ?? What exactly do they hope to achieve /?? Have you ever heard of a translator - or is this beyond your comprehension, and for all you know maybe one of those chosen to visit may ever be Thai or skilled in the language. see my post 1216. As for being a Thai i think we can forget that, a British policeman would consider himself lucky to be skilled in the queens English, let's not be too ambitious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
changnaam Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 What is the current standing with these boys? Are the confessions still retracted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya46 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 What is the current standing with these boys? Are the confessions still retracted? They never official retracted (to the Thai police). Only words from their lawyer to the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubaPhuket Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 The cigarette was not smoked by Hannah, it had the DNA of the rapist The cell phone, now that has me flipping back to the frame up scenario it is not convincing that it was behind the apt where the suspects lived, in bushes, this story just pointed right back to the police, as, no killer would do that, but police, they would DNA matching the cigarette means nothing if it doesn't match the DNA on the victim. I really don't understand why educated people are harping on about RTP DNA evidence when the first press release by thailand's chief of police stated that thai DNA technology could check no more than the sex of the bearer. DNA is no more than a buzz word to these people used to add credence to the cover up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debrakfurlow Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 A Thai just tried to convince me that all the testing on DNA was done in Singapore so the Thai gov would not be accused of conflict of interest. It was all I could do not call him an idiot. I was also told that the world is questioning procedure because we watch too much CSI. OMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya46 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I really don't understand why educated people are harping on about RTP DNA evidence when the first press release by thailand's chief of police stated that thai DNA technology could check no more than the sex of the bearer. There are many "DNA tests". - Identification: are the difficult ones and take days. From a good enough sample they will tell you it was a big white guy, with blond hair, green eyes and a wooden leg - Comparison: aka "chromosome 9 test", very easy to do. Thousands of laboratories can do it in 1 or 2 hours. Result will be something like: "these 2 samples come from the same person at 99.99%" or "are from 2 different persons". Thailand mainly made Comparison tests in this case, except when they send samples abroad that gave the result "the DNA come from Asian people" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadiseLost Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I really don't understand why educated people are harping on about RTP DNA evidence when the first press release by thailand's chief of police stated that thai DNA technology could check no more than the sex of the bearer. There are many "DNA tests". - Identification: are the difficult ones and take days. From a good enough sample they will tell you it was a big white guy, with blond hair, green eyes and a wooden leg - Comparison: aka "chromosome 9 test", very easy to do. Thousands of laboratories can do it in 1 or 2 hours. Result will be something like: "these 2 samples come from the same person at 99.99%" or "are from 2 different persons". Thailand mainly made Comparison tests in this case, except when they send samples abroad that gave the result "the DNA come from Asian people" except when they send samples abroad that gave the result "the DNA come from Asian people" Or they just said it was so, after having no luck trying to frame a westerner... Wonder where the tests were done? This article should help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
changnaam Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 So it is pretty obvious the "tests" were done in Thailand. Had the whole case not turned on its head about 5 days in they may have done tests outside. From that key point the investigation turned from finding the evil thugs to making sure they were not found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mataleo Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Not saving Thailand’s face: the backlash of police corruption in tourist murders. http://asiancorrespondent.com/127509/not-saving-thailands-face-the-backlash-of-police-corruption-in-the-murders-of-tourists/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Another post lobbying for donations has been removed: 22) Members are forbidden to ask for or accept donations, gifts or commissions from other members, any charities must contact support for approval before joining. http://www.thaivisa.com/contact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mataleo Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Another post lobbying for donations has been removed: 22) Members are forbidden to ask for or accept donations, gifts or commissions from other members, any charities must contact support for approval before joining. http://www.thaivisa.com/contact Sorry thats meHad good intentions Disnt know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norvid 1950 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Farangs don't believe in this verdict; Thais don't believe in this verdict; Court probably don't believe in their own verdict; Police for sure can't believe in this verdict so badly handled by them in the first place and they well know it; The question then remains: .............................................WHO DOES BELIEVE IN THIS, tinted by lies & controversies, VERDICT?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Please continue in the topic currently here: Koh Tao: Suspects found guilty of murdering British backpackers Closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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