Police charges for those accusing the police of using scapegoats

[utalkin2me]

"and anybody accusing the police of arresting scapegoats could be charged with insulting officials"

What a detestable country, really. In other words, stop accusing us of corruption or else.

I just can't get over this duplicitous attitude they have of "we are corrupt, but you must believe us". What a joke, really. IF you are going to be corrupt, shut your mouth and live with the consequences. Muppets, really.

[geraldbradford]

if its true, the RTP have a real sh*t storm brewing even if the two suspects did do it

There will be no sh*t storm at all, the junta will protect them and their recent announcement praising the police shows that clearly.

New Mandela has a new article 'Thai Police: Intent to Reform?', written by Khemthong Tonsakulrungruang, a constitutional law scholar in Thailand, in which he explains the relationship.

This is more reason for urgent compelling evidence to be found Re the true culprits. When police refuse to look at evidence of an alternative suspect to their own, then defence barristers view such evidence as a gift; and it is entered in to courts much to police dismay. There has been examples of this in various countries but not sure if Thai courts allow this.

If such evidence was found and entered, and was irrefuteable to the world, it would cause the junta head to lose face too. And I do believe there will be such evidence brought to the light as there are thousands of people trying to help. With an established legal team/lawyer known then they will be the collection point for such information from informers or people with cctv proofs, etc and the police won't be able to control that.

We can only be hopeful.

Edited October 7, 2014 by geraldbradford

[Robby nz]

There are photos around of Hannah and David in a group in a bar that evening with several friends.

I was thinking that there must be more photos taken by those in that group, after all almost everyone has a phone capable of taking photos.

If these photos were to emerge they may shed some light on what happened in the bar on that night before the murder on the beach.

[transam]

I hope Ambassador Mr.Kent points out, at his meeting today, that threatening folk for asking questions or putting questions forward about the case is not "cricket".

[Halion]

Ridiculous but typical response from an authority that assumes it is beyond reproach whilst incidents of corruption, malfeasance and deliberate acts to subvert justice are legion amongst the ranks of the RTP.

Credibility and respect are parameters that have to be earned and not simply implied by the presence of a brown uniform covered in badges.

Agree with us or face prosecution has a a far more dictatorial ring that that of the democracy that they claim to be striving for.

[recycled]

Hey General, I am not sure if the penny has dropped yet, but you and your cohorts are making complete asses of yourselves in the international arena.There is no substitute for a good upbringing and true education, that is, if you are from a first world country. Intelligence, intellect and commonsense cannot be bought, it is inherited.

Not one single bit of what you write that could be of any interest to a Thai police general, alas! What you think, me Thai man, this my country, the Thais they know, etc., etc.

Now if you could kindly give that to me again in intelligible intelligent English, I might know what the hell you are talking about.

[Fred Flinstone]

I read this on Twitter ...

Obviously , a lot of people are worried about this new threat

WOW!

Honestly?

Is this for real?

Boy oh Boy Tourists need to rethink their plans

[Dogmatix]

Here is the village headman's son after he re-emerged in Bangkok, got lawyered up and got a sharp new haircut.

A sharp contrast to the public appearance of the Burmese looking stunned at the re-enactment with two interpretors behind them telling them what to do. One of the interpretors is alleged to be a local Burmese roti seller but was apparently provided with a natty looking police shirt for the show. Are work permits issues to foreign roti sellers?

[2fishin2]

if you are posting inside Thailand they know right where you live and which computer you use.

uh no they dont....

[iReason]

Rapists and murderers are all found. Case is close and can no longer open. We should all praise prayuth ands his clever police, not question him.

The delusion/corruption is all encompassing it seems.

Some here claim the BIB don't read TV.

On the contrary, I suggest dis-information agents may be present...

[Mooner]

Democracy at is finest

[kaobang]

so are they going to charge the myanmar embassy?

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murderers-were-tortured-says-burmese-embassy-lawyer-burma-myanmar/44781

[Nemesis7]

So much for freedom of speech. It will bring a lot more negative criticism to Thai police if they try to chrage some one over criticizing, people may differ or have doubts, is that abnormal?!?!

[bertty]

so are they going to charge the myanmar embassy?

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murderers-were-tortured-says-burmese-embassy-lawyer-burma-myanmar/44781

They say they hit them both with the blunt end of the hoe 2 or 3 times.... Ok so if that's true, can we find out who killed them ?

[ParadiseLost]

Please be careful fellow TV members, I implore you!

Three days ago now already we were warned, "“The police are doing their job. If the police hear your accusation, they will be sad," Gen. Prawit said.

Now, they are not only sad but have become angered! In this current state they have announced a new law in Thailand, thou shalt not accuse the police of using scapegoats.

(Not to be confused of course with the Kiwi law of similar wording/reference!) This crime is not subject to any statute of limitations and carries with it a severe penalty in addition to (needless to say) a hefty fine! ( That Kiwi law I believe had a stiff fine....not hefty... )

Further laws to be added to the penal code of Thailand currently under review are 1) thou shalt not call the police names (2) thou shalt not exclude the police from any games and I believe a further addition has already occurred although not certain on this (3) thou shalt not accuse police of planting evidence.

So please, please, be careful!

Understand the humour, but to play on your words it would not be a bad thing if such laws were introduced - with one condition added - 'without due cause'.

[Baerboxer]

Why did the two dewarf's have no marks, scratches on them, they were interviewed a day after the killings and let go, they worked in the Ac bar were the altercation took place, there were witness's to that , but not with them !

I have talked to many guys who have said, there is no way David could not of put up a fight, also they are saying the injuries on David were not from a hoe but a small knife, it would have taken a long time to kill him with one of these!

Origionally , i read David had bruising on his knuckles , they ,or someone would of had marks.

A lot is missing here, too many unanswered questions and we all know that ,apart from JTJ !!

Most of what you say has come from comments on social media that grow with repeated telling.

What witnesses to the altercation - a Scot who posted on FB, then disappeared when his kiddie porn conviction was revealed? Where are the others? The friends of the deceased who were present haven't come out to confirm McAnna's stories - in fact they have been very quiet. None of the press seem interested in him anymore either.

One poster went into great depth about the injuries to the male victim, even asserting the type of weapon used. Amazing he deduced all that from photos on FB.

Who are these mysterious guy's you've talked to? How are they qualified to make such statements - were they sitting on bar stools, ex SAS, Navy Seals, Intepol etc?

There are anomalies which need to be addressed during the trial and should be explored by the lawyers. The poor management of the media, comments to the media and speculations by some presented as true facts was also extremely unfortunate and helped fuel the conspiracy theorists.

We all "know' what we want to believe. And many have made their mind up that there is a great conspiracy and that they, through their fantastic powers of reasoning and knowledge of such things, know exactly who the guilty party are. They probably know who killed JFK, Marilyn Monroe and he ID of Jack the Ripper too.

[heyexile]

so are they going to charge the myanmar embassy?

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murderers-were-tortured-says-burmese-embassy-lawyer-burma-myanmar/44781

The Myanmar officials must be mistaken as no Thai police could do such a terrible thing.

Is the PM`s first official international trip to Myanmar later this month still on?

[AGareth2]

so are they going to charge the myanmar embassy?

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murderers-were-tortured-says-burmese-embassy-lawyer-burma-myanmar/44781

They say they hit them both with the blunt end of the hoe 2 or 3 times.... Ok so if that's true, can we find out who killed them ?

what about drowning?

rape?

wounds?

I think they need to review the script

[AGareth2]

why were they refused access to the 3rd chap?

[Artisi]

Any investigation to laying charges for speaking out against the police will follow the same rigid, transparent, and just rules as applied to the case being criticised.

[Fred Flinstone]

Its important people are aware of these changes and laws-

I have let all Australian Travel agencies know and sites that warn tourists of changes and behaviour codes.

This is very very serious , and its important people know .

[heyexile]

why were they refused access to the 3rd chap?

National security.

Is the good general just telling us that we say it better when we say nothing at all?

I`m sure you will agree that he is right to do so.

Under Martial Law (and the New Interim Constitution) the judiciary can be overruled at any time.

Some say that it would be good to extend lese majeste to cover Privy Councillors. That would be PM and all senior ministers. Good idea you may say. In UK Privy Councillors include the Leader of Her Majesty`s Opposition so that one should rightly be excluded here.

,http://en.wikisource.org?wiki?The_Mikado/Act_1/Part_Va

[ParadiseLost]

Why did the two dewarf's have no marks, scratches on them, they were interviewed a day after the killings and let go, they worked in the Ac bar were the altercation took place, there were witness's to that , but not with them !

I have talked to many guys who have said, there is no way David could not of put up a fight, also they are saying the injuries on David were not from a hoe but a small knife, it would have taken a long time to kill him with one of these!

Origionally , i read David had bruising on his knuckles , they ,or someone would of had marks.

A lot is missing here, too many unanswered questions and we all know that ,apart from JTJ !!

Most of what you say has come from comments on social media that grow with repeated telling.

What witnesses to the altercation - a Scot who posted on FB, then disappeared when his kiddie porn conviction was revealed? Where are the others? The friends of the deceased who were present haven't come out to confirm McAnna's stories - in fact they have been very quiet. None of the press seem interested in him anymore either.

One poster went into great depth about the injuries to the male victim, even asserting the type of weapon used. Amazing he deduced all that from photos on FB.

Who are these mysterious guy's you've talked to? How are they qualified to make such statements - were they sitting on bar stools, ex SAS, Navy Seals, Intepol etc?

There are anomalies which need to be addressed during the trial and should be explored by the lawyers. The poor management of the media, comments to the media and speculations by some presented as true facts was also extremely unfortunate and helped fuel the conspiracy theorists.

We all "know' what we want to believe. And many have made their mind up that there is a great conspiracy and that they, through their fantastic powers of reasoning and knowledge of such things, know exactly who the guilty party are. They probably know who killed JFK, Marilyn Monroe and he ID of Jack the Ripper too.

There is a thin line between conspiracy chasers and those questioning details reported in the media. I personally try not to read the former and my 7 pages of ignored posters pay testament to this.

People who answer the 'trolls' only encourage them to post more. In fact you can see them in groups, 'liking' each others' posts (complaining when they run out of likes - who even knew there was a limit! )

People questioning details reported in supposedly reliable media (Thai PBS, AP, Nation, many more - even BP) are not necessarily trying to spread false information - quite the opposite as they merely want the truth, no matter who did this.

So, what we have here is a case so full of holes it is not even a case anymore. There is now confirmed evidence of a third attacker present 'C'. Indisputable fact. For now.

The accused have confessed - but only two carried out this horrific crime. This was confirmed in the reenactment.

There were reports (BP) that the third suspect was released and had left the island - whereabouts unknown. Even if they do still have him in custody, his DNA did not match 'C' when 'A' and 'B' were a match (it does appear the police may not have been aware of 'C'). So there is a suspect at large.

The missing cctv footage is another example. Does anyone here dispute the fact that there is missing, vital footage, from the footage it does appear two people are walking in front of the 'person of interest'? They would surely be witnesses or even suspects.

So, I am not chasing anything other than the absolute truth. The problem now is the number of people this is going to expose if the truth does come out. What is heartening to me is the Thai social media response. We TV posters are irrelevant to Thailand, particularly so with the people deciding the outcome of this fiasco.

If people use more decorum when posting on sensitive issues, it will make it that much harder to shut it down.

[chooka]

If the RTP want to gain any credibility, and let's face it they are starting with none, they have two options and making threats isn't one of them, albeit it is their modus operandi.

One would be to let an independent forensic team review what they have gathered, and retest any samples that may have become 'accidentally' mislabeled.

The second would be to start pointing at the real goat.

One of those options would be far less painful for the entire nation in the long run.

This is how a dictatorship works, you speak out and you face arrest and imprisonment. Thailand has adopted the north Korean model of government.

[wackybacky]

Been monitoring the change.org petition to force the British Foreign Office to intervene in the case.

It is gaining signatures at a rate of 10 to 12 per minute, so this is going viral now.

All these threats are doing is forcing the hand in another direction and will come back and bite them in the arse.

I am posting the petition on my FB timeline every day.

posting a link to a petition simply requesting Hannah and David's government do something positive to 'help' the Thai police is not a direct criticism of the said police.

https://www.change.org/p/the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller

So please post on your facebook page and get this even more viral.

Facebook will NOT give IP information to the Thai police.

[bruceybonus]

In a high profile case always good to have a professional translator!!

[bruceybonus]

Thailand has never faces such scrutiny over a case, mainly due to the fact everyone has a camera/video with them 24/7!

[Fred Flinstone]

If the RTP want to gain any credibility, and let's face it they are starting with none, they have two options and making threats isn't one of them, albeit it is their modus operandi.

One would be to let an independent forensic team review what they have gathered, and retest any samples that may have become 'accidentally' mislabeled.

The second would be to start pointing at the real goat.

One of those options would be far less painful for the entire nation in the long run.

This is how a dictatorship works, you speak out and you face arrest and imprisonment. Thailand has adopted the north Korean model of government.

At the end of the day "your message " is important - This is a North Korean Style Threat to Ordinary people unaware of restrictions on basic free speech

[pontius]

Whose first thought when you read about those murders wasn't: yeah, they'll "catch" a couple of non-Thais eventually.

[bruceybonus]

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/3-myanmar-workers-say-police-tortured-them-info-over-murders-2-brito

I think the Singapore authorities need to make a statement on the extent of the DNA testing! So many people/agencies being quiet!

Edited October 7, 2014 by bruceybonus