Red shirts shrug off NRC moves, 'to watch process'

[rickirs]

<script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script>

"The coup-makers violated all rules and now they want to set new rules and have people respect them. It's laughable,"

good point.

The PTP also violated the rules to bring in an amnesty for Thaksin Shinawatra.

Did you also find that laughable?

What rules have been violated? Please explain.

SichonSteve gave you a good answer but you should also understand that the Constitutional Court only held that it was the process by which the bill was passed that was unconstitutional - and plainly so I believe. But contrary to what many have claimed, the CC did not find the content of the bill unconstitutional. In fact amendments to the 2007 Constitution are provided for in the Constitution. Of course now that Constitution has been removed by the Junta so presently there is no legal means to amend a constitution. The Yingluck administration could have resubmitted the bill according to the proper process and most likely passed it into law, pending challenges by the Senate, and back to the courts again.

With the NCPO acting under its absolute power over government under Article 44 of the Interim Constitution and its appointed representatives in the NRC, NLA, and the Constitutional Committee, the lack of any process to amend a constitution assures there will be no "runaway" government should it ever come into the hands of publicly elected representatives.

[billd766]

Red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan said he was not surprised that neither red-shirt supporters nor members of Pheu Thai Party were appointed NRC members because his group had refused to join in the first place.

and there is no surprise to any right minded thinking person either - your Thaksin funded terrorist organisation is finished - so say 80% of the Thai people, now move along

You mean 80% of Mr Suthep's followers.

Before martial law was declared, Gen Prayuth told me Khun Suthep and your masses of PDRC supporters are too exhausted. Its now the duty of the army to take over the task, Mr Suthep said.

Do you have a link or a source for this please.

[rubl]

"Red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan said he was not surprised that neither red-shirt supporters nor members of Pheu Thai Party were appointed NRC members because his group had refused to join in the first place."

Talk about stating the obvious, or is Jatuporn disappointed that even though the UDD refused to join no one of them were appointed against their will ?

[Thanet]

Wouldn't it be terrible if they put in clauses that invalidated the amnesties past and current coup leaders granted themselves?

Ha ha - good reply.

It's a pretty lame reply actually.

Oh tell us why, please do

[winstonc]

Wouldn't it be terrible if they put in clauses that invalidated the amnesties past and current coup leaders granted themselves?

Ha ha - good reply.

It's a pretty lame reply actually.

Oh tell us why, please do

not bright enough to work it out yourself or just trolling again..

[JOC]

Sad to see so many posters choose a military dictatorship over democracy!!

I don't care if it is a red or yellow government, but at least let the Thais have a say in who is going to steal from them!!

Until Thailand gets rid of its feudal system with its mighty protectors, nothing is going to change.

To the posters here, who blindly believe in the new Mr Big, wonder how his brother got so wealthy??

[whybother]

It's a pretty lame reply actually.

Oh tell us why, please do

Repeating the statement and replacing a few key words. 12 year old kids do better than that. Maybe that shows your intelligence level.

Edited October 7, 2014 by whybother

[whybother]

Sad to see so many posters choose a military dictatorship over democracy!!

I don't care if it is a red or yellow government, but at least let the Thais have a say in who is going to steal from them!!

Until Thailand gets rid of its feudal system with its mighty protectors, nothing is going to change.

To the posters here, who blindly believe in the new Mr Big, wonder how his brother got so wealthy??

Are you suggesting posters actually had an influence over whether there was a coup or not?

A lot of people aren't choosing a military dictatorship, they're just pointing out the problems with the previous government.

[Acharn]

"The coup-makers violated all rules and now they want to set new rules and have people respect them. It's laughable,"

good point.

The PTP also violated the rules to bring in an amnesty for Thaksin Shinawatra.

Did you also find that laughable?

Except that was never done because PTP followed the rules and the bill failed in parliament. I find your presentation of history ludicrous, but not laughable.

[heybruce]

Wouldn't it be terrible if they put in clauses to say that convicted criminals on the run can't be involved in politics?

Wouldn't it be terrible if they put in clauses that invalidated the amnesties past and current coup leaders granted themselves?

Ha ha - good reply.

That is actually a terrible reply.

They should be immune from prosecution for staging a coup.

This place would be completely shagged and a civil war probably raging had they not done so... Certainly many more would be dead.

You would probably have done a runner by now, if you are in fact even in Thailand in the first place.

So you think generals should be allowed to commit coups with impunity. That's clearly the attitude in Thailand's military.

There seem to be two kinds of countries in the world; countries where coups are treated as acts of treason, and countries that have a lot of coups.

[JOC]

I see that PAD has got a place at the table, the neo-fascist arm of the Democrats. Wonder on what merits??

(I know, but forumrules dictates me to leave it there)

As for the posters here, who still believe, that the general is the saviour of Thailand, Time to wake up and smell the coffee. This is not about reform, the only goal is to keep the existing feudal system in place at any price!! HIs windowdressing is sadly fooling people!!

[whybother]

I see that PAD has got a place at the table, the neo-fascist arm of the Democrats. Wonder on what merits??

(I know, but forumrules dictates me to leave it there)

As for the posters here, who still believe, that the general is the saviour of Thailand, Time to wake up and smell the coffee. This is not about reform, the only goal is to keep the existing feudal system in place at any price!! HIs windowdressing is sadly fooling people!!

The PAD have their own party, and they don't vote for the Democrats. How are they an "arm of the Democrats"?

[billd766]

"The coup-makers violated all rules and now they want to set new rules and have people respect them. It's laughable,"

good point.

The PTP also violated the rules to bring in an amnesty for Thaksin Shinawatra.

Did you also find that laughable?

Except that was never done because PTP followed the rules and the bill failed in parliament. I find your presentation of history ludicrous, but not laughable.

Actually it was done in Parliament but after it was published it was not brought up due to a judgement by the Senate.

It could have been brought back 6 months later and passed into law quite legally. However the protests against it started off the PDRC and Yingluck dissolved parliament and it had passed the 6 month point without being able to be debated and passed by the government majority and thus died along with the PTP caretaker government.

It was Thaksins big gamble to return whiter than white and pure as newly fallen snow.

Fortunately his gamble failed.

[billd766]

I see that PAD has got a place at the table, the neo-fascist arm of the Democrats. Wonder on what merits??

(I know, but forumrules dictates me to leave it there)

As for the posters here, who still believe, that the general is the saviour of Thailand, Time to wake up and smell the coffee. This is not about reform, the only goal is to keep the existing feudal system in place at any price!! HIs windowdressing is sadly fooling people!!

Do you really believe that the Democrats are neo-facists? How sad for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-fascism

Neo-fascism is a post–World War II ideology that includes significant elements of fascism. The term neo-fascist may apply to groups that express a specific admiration for Benito Mussolini or Adolf Hitler, may also be called Neo-Nazis, and Italian Fascism or any other fascist leader/state. Neo-fascism usually includes ultranationalism, populism, anti-immigration policies or, where relevant, nativism, anti-communism, and opposition to the parliamentary system and liberal democracy. Allegations that a group is neo-fascist may be hotly contested, especially if the term is used as a political epithet. Some post–World War II regimes have been described as neo-fascist due to their authoritarian nature, and sometimes due to their fascination and sympathy towards fascist ideology and rituals.

Post-fascism is a label that has been applied to several European political parties that espouse a modified form of fascism and which partake in constitutional politics.

[rubl]

That is actually a terrible reply.

They should be immune from prosecution for staging a coup.

This place would be completely shagged and a civil war probably raging had they not done so... Certainly many more would be dead.

You would probably have done a runner by now, if you are in fact even in Thailand in the first place.

So you think generals should be allowed to commit coups with impunity. That's clearly the attitude in Thailand's military.

There seem to be two kinds of countries in the world; countries where coups are treated as acts of treason, and countries that have a lot of coups.

... and countries where coups are no longer necessary as the Military Dictatorship just stays put.

In the mean time we have red-shirts not interested in helping their country move forward. They seem to like to be able to say they didn't get involved ignoring they didn't want to get involved. Jatuporn seems really annoyed he didn't even get the chance to refuse being appointed

[rubl]

I see that PAD has got a place at the table, the neo-fascist arm of the Democrats. Wonder on what merits??

(I know, but forumrules dictates me to leave it there)

As for the posters here, who still believe, that the general is the saviour of Thailand, Time to wake up and smell the coffee. This is not about reform, the only goal is to keep the existing feudal system in place at any price!! HIs windowdressing is sadly fooling people!!

The PAD have their own party, and they don't vote for the Democrats. How are they an "arm of the Democrats"?

Apart from the fact that both Pheu Thai and their protest arm UDD refused to participate.

Of course the NCPO could have simply appointed some Pheu Thai MPs and UDD leaders to democratically give them the opportunity to stand on their principles and refuse

[rubl]

The PTP also violated the rules to bring in an amnesty for Thaksin Shinawatra.

Did you also find that laughable?

Except that was never done because PTP followed the rules and the bill failed in parliament. I find your presentation of history ludicrous, but not laughable.

Actually it was done in Parliament but after it was published it was not brought up due to a judgement by the Senate.

It could have been brought back 6 months later and passed into law quite legally. However the protests against it started off the PDRC and Yingluck dissolved parliament and it had passed the 6 month point without being able to be debated and passed by the government majority and thus died along with the PTP caretaker government.

It was Thaksins big gamble to return whiter than white and pure as newly fallen snow.

Fortunately his gamble failed.

Lack of business sense I think. He should have invested in companies selling that type of cream. Thai women seem to be addicted.

[LevelHead]

The red shirts have done as expected and not got involved with anything to do with the coup and what has gone on after.

The NCPO have made a large mistake in my view. It is quite obvious that you cannot go out on the streets (when Martial Law is lifted late next year) and march against the coup, the new charter etc.. if you have been involved in the process to set up the new charter.

The NCPO should have involved many red shirts into the process, by not including them they have set the stage for red shirt protests in the future.

The PDRC won this round of the battle, but what is going on now will set the stage for the next battle in the future - when all the anti-PDRC people put on their shirts when Martial Law is lifted and come out on to the streets yet again.

If anyone had any intention of resolving the countries problems you simply HAVE to involved everyone in the solution.

If all your aim is is to grab power back and make sure you cannot be out of power in future by elections, then you go about as is happening now - but that will only make all the problems much bigger and lead to bigger problems in the future.

It is quite clear from the ongoing process that the majority of those involved are NOT doing it for the good of the country, their actions so far give away totally that its all being done for the good of themselves and their business associates in the future.

Putting a few rose petals on top of a pile of manure cannot hide its manure underneath.

In a similar way having a sprinkling of non-related people/so called independent people amongst a massive majority of appointed people will not hide the fact that its all the appointed buddies doing things their way.

So is my opinion.

Edited October 7, 2014 by LevelHead

[fab4]

That is actually a terrible reply.

They should be immune from prosecution for staging a coup.

This place would be completely shagged and a civil war probably raging had they not done so... Certainly many more would be dead.

You would probably have done a runner by now, if you are in fact even in Thailand in the first place.

So you think generals should be allowed to commit coups with impunity. That's clearly the attitude in Thailand's military.

There seem to be two kinds of countries in the world; countries where coups are treated as acts of treason, and countries that have a lot of coups.

... and countries where coups are no longer necessary as the Military Dictatorship just stays put.

In the mean time we have red-shirts not interested in helping their country move forward. They seem to like to be able to say they didn't get involved ignoring they didn't want to get involved. Jatuporn seems really annoyed he didn't even get the chance to refuse being appointed

I love the way you dress up your unwavering support for the junta's coup by accusing everybody else that is not toeing the line as "not interested in helping their country move forward".

Do you honestly believe this junta picked/approved reform committee is genuinely going to help the country "move forward" by disenfranchising a large proportion of it's citizens?

[visionchaser45]

"Its work would take shape in six months to bring the country back to normalcy." SNAFU I think that mission has already been accomplished. 555

[LevelHead]

"Its work would take shape in six months to bring the country back to normalcy." SNAFU I think that mission has already been accomplished. 555

Takes longer than 6 months to fill your pockets to the brim.

It is quite clear from the start there has been the intention to NOT hold an election again for a good few years - and to never lift martial law in Bangkok for years too.

Mark my words now - there will be no general election in 2015.

Martial law cannot be lifted either as the moment it is then anti-PDRC will all come out to protest on the streets and shut down Bangkok.

Martial Law in Bangkok and No Election will walk hand in hand for many years to come as the hold on absolute power continues and is made stronger and stronger.

So is my opinion.

[rubl]

The red shirts have done as expected and not got involved with anything to do with the coup and what has gone on after.

The NCPO have made a large mistake in my view. It is quite obvious that you cannot go out on the streets (when Martial Law is lifted late next year) and march against the coup, the new charter etc.. if you have been involved in the process to set up the new charter.

The NCPO should have involved many red shirts into the process, by not including them they have set the stage for red shirt protests in the future.

The PDRC won this round of the battle, but what is going on now will set the stage for the next battle in the future - when all the anti-PDRC people put on their shirts when Martial Law is lifted and come out on to the streets yet again.

If anyone had any intention of resolving the countries problems you simply HAVE to involved everyone in the solution.

If all your aim is is to grab power back and make sure you cannot be out of power in future by elections, then you go about as is happening now - but that will only make all the problems much bigger and lead to bigger problems in the future.

It is quite clear from the ongoing process that the majority of those involved are NOT doing it for the good of the country, their actions so far give away totally that its all being done for the good of themselves and their business associates in the future.

Putting a few rose petals on top of a pile of manure cannot hide its manure underneath.

In a similar way having a sprinkling of non-related people/so called independent people amongst a massive majority of appointed people will not hide the fact that its all the appointed buddies doing things their way.

So is my opinion.

That's your opinion, you're entitled to it. Mind you, the member name 'levelhead' seem to conflict with your opinion although really fits the red only avatar.

There doesn't seem to be much 'level' and 'objectivity' might be totally missing. A lot of assumptions are present though, mostly stated as facts rather then opinion.

The rejection to co-operate and help define a better Thailand seems to be either political motivated, or just plain ignorance. To just say and assume "the others don't do it for Thailand' is like sticking your head in the sand. It's like you want the situation we had before the coup to just continue endlessly. Its like 'if not my way than no way' and 'obscenity' the others.

The red shirts of the topic seem to complain just as much as you. Refuse to help and probably annoyed not having been simply appointed to help. The red-shirts that is, not level headed people.

Edited October 7, 2014 by rubl

[rubl]

That is actually a terrible reply.

They should be immune from prosecution for staging a coup.

This place would be completely shagged and a civil war probably raging had they not done so... Certainly many more would be dead.

You would probably have done a runner by now, if you are in fact even in Thailand in the first place.

So you think generals should be allowed to commit coups with impunity. That's clearly the attitude in Thailand's military.

There seem to be two kinds of countries in the world; countries where coups are treated as acts of treason, and countries that have a lot of coups.

... and countries where coups are no longer necessary as the Military Dictatorship just stays put.

In the mean time we have red-shirts not interested in helping their country move forward. They seem to like to be able to say they didn't get involved ignoring they didn't want to get involved. Jatuporn seems really annoyed he didn't even get the chance to refuse being appointed

I love the way you dress up your unwavering support for the junta's coup by accusing everybody else that is not toeing the line as "not interested in helping their country move forward".

Do you honestly believe this junta picked/approved reform committee is genuinely going to help the country "move forward" by disenfranchising a large proportion of it's citizens?

\

Well, anyone who seems to want to go back to the chaos we had more than four months ago doesn't seem to be interested in moving their country (or as posters are concerned this country) forward.

BTW do you honestly believe all the nonsense you write? The assumptions stated as facts?

[rubl]

"Its work would take shape in six months to bring the country back to normalcy." SNAFU I think that mission has already been accomplished. 555

Indeed a 'snafu' by Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Yutthawong. 'Thai' normalcy was attained after barely a few weeks.

[LevelHead]

The red shirts have done as expected and not got involved with anything to do with the coup and what has gone on after.

The NCPO have made a large mistake in my view. It is quite obvious that you cannot go out on the streets (when Martial Law is lifted late next year) and march against the coup, the new charter etc.. if you have been involved in the process to set up the new charter.

The NCPO should have involved many red shirts into the process, by not including them they have set the stage for red shirt protests in the future.

The PDRC won this round of the battle, but what is going on now will set the stage for the next battle in the future - when all the anti-PDRC people put on their shirts when Martial Law is lifted and come out on to the streets yet again.

If anyone had any intention of resolving the countries problems you simply HAVE to involved everyone in the solution.

If all your aim is is to grab power back and make sure you cannot be out of power in future by elections, then you go about as is happening now - but that will only make all the problems much bigger and lead to bigger problems in the future.

It is quite clear from the ongoing process that the majority of those involved are NOT doing it for the good of the country, their actions so far give away totally that its all being done for the good of themselves and their business associates in the future.

Putting a few rose petals on top of a pile of manure cannot hide its manure underneath.

In a similar way having a sprinkling of non-related people/so called independent people amongst a massive majority of appointed people will not hide the fact that its all the appointed buddies doing things their way.

So is my opinion.

That's your opinion, you're entitled to it. Mind you, the member name 'levelhead' seem to conflict with your opinion although really fits the red only avatar.

There doesn't seem to be much 'level' and 'objectivity' might be totally missing. A lot of assumptions are present though, mostly stated as facts rather then opinion.

The rejection to co-operate and help define a better Thailand seems to be either political motivated, or just plain ignorance. To just say and assume "the others don't do it for Thailand' is like sticking your head in the sand. It's like you want the situation we had before the coup to just continue endlessly. Its like 'if not my way than no way' and 'obscenity' the others.

The red shirts of the topic seem to complain just as much as you. Refuse to help and probably annoyed not having been simply appointed to help. The red-shirts that is, not level headed people.

I think you will find the red shirts have not refused to help, as you claim.

They have adapted the simple attitude of :

If this is really about fixing all the problems - then many red shirts will be asked to join in.

If this is really about fixing the power between the elites and excluding the peoples desires and removing democratic free and fair elections in the future - then no red shirts will be asked.

And guess what............... I think we all know what has happened and this backs up what informed people know.

Mark my words, Martial Law will continue in Bangkok in 2015 and there will be no election in 2015 either.

So is my opinion

[rubl]

"Its work would take shape in six months to bring the country back to normalcy." SNAFU I think that mission has already been accomplished. 555

Takes longer than 6 months to fill your pockets to the brim.

It is quite clear from the start there has been the intention to NOT hold an election again for a good few years - and to never lift martial law in Bangkok for years too.

Mark my words now - there will be no general election in 2015.

Martial law cannot be lifted either as the moment it is then anti-PDRC will all come out to protest on the streets and shut down Bangkok.

Martial Law in Bangkok and No Election will walk hand in hand for many years to come as the hold on absolute power continues and is made stronger and stronger.

So is my opinion.

Well, this is not about visionchaser filling his pockets, its about the UDD refusing to help build up the country. It's as if they want to make sure that the efforts of the NRC will come to nothing, as if they don't want reforms, don't see a need for reforms. Of course the obstruction only helps to ensure that the NCPO will feel honour bound to stay on for a wee bit longer. Its almost like the UDD likes to create the situation where they can say "see, I told you so".

BTW I'm a bit confused about the relation you state between Martial Law and Bangkok, especially with the anti-PDRC thrown in. Do you want to suggest that some protesters would like to stage anti-PDRC protests? What would they want to do that for? The Army already took care that the PDRC leaders were accompanied to the Criminal Court to finally hear and acknowledge the various charges the Yingluck government had heaped on them.

[rubl]

The red shirts have done as expected and not got involved with anything to do with the coup and what has gone on after.

The NCPO have made a large mistake in my view. It is quite obvious that you cannot go out on the streets (when Martial Law is lifted late next year) and march against the coup, the new charter etc.. if you have been involved in the process to set up the new charter.

The NCPO should have involved many red shirts into the process, by not including them they have set the stage for red shirt protests in the future.

The PDRC won this round of the battle, but what is going on now will set the stage for the next battle in the future - when all the anti-PDRC people put on their shirts when Martial Law is lifted and come out on to the streets yet again.

If anyone had any intention of resolving the countries problems you simply HAVE to involved everyone in the solution.

If all your aim is is to grab power back and make sure you cannot be out of power in future by elections, then you go about as is happening now - but that will only make all the problems much bigger and lead to bigger problems in the future.

It is quite clear from the ongoing process that the majority of those involved are NOT doing it for the good of the country, their actions so far give away totally that its all being done for the good of themselves and their business associates in the future.

Putting a few rose petals on top of a pile of manure cannot hide its manure underneath.

In a similar way having a sprinkling of non-related people/so called independent people amongst a massive majority of appointed people will not hide the fact that its all the appointed buddies doing things their way.

So is my opinion.

That's your opinion, you're entitled to it. Mind you, the member name 'levelhead' seem to conflict with your opinion although really fits the red only avatar.

There doesn't seem to be much 'level' and 'objectivity' might be totally missing. A lot of assumptions are present though, mostly stated as facts rather then opinion.

The rejection to co-operate and help define a better Thailand seems to be either political motivated, or just plain ignorance. To just say and assume "the others don't do it for Thailand' is like sticking your head in the sand. It's like you want the situation we had before the coup to just continue endlessly. Its like 'if not my way than no way' and 'obscenity' the others.

The red shirts of the topic seem to complain just as much as you. Refuse to help and probably annoyed not having been simply appointed to help. The red-shirts that is, not level headed people.

I think you will find the red shirts have not refused to help, as you claim.

They have adapted the simple attitude of :

If this is really about fixing all the problems - then many red shirts will be asked to join in.

If this is really about fixing the power between the elites and excluding the peoples desires and removing democratic free and fair elections in the future - then no red shirts will be asked.

And guess what............... I think we all know what has happened and this backs up what informed people know.

Mark my words, Martial Law will continue in Bangkok in 2015 and there will be no election in 2015 either.

So is my opinion

'red shirts have not refused to help' as in

"Weng said there was no point in red shirts participating, as the junta would make the final decision."

or

"Red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan said he was not surprised that neither red-shirt supporters nor members of Pheu Thai Party were appointed NRC members because his group had refused to join in the first place."

So, red-shirts are sitting next to their (landline) telephone anxiously awaiting the phone call begging them to 'please, pretty please with sugar' help. Obviously its the fault of the NRC and the NLA and the NCPO and about everyone else (except red-shirts off course) if no input from the red-shirts is forthcoming because they refused to co-operate. They are misunderstood, they didn't mean it, or so some will have us believe.

Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam

This being the opinion of Cato the Elder

Edited October 7, 2014 by rubl

[heybruce]

That is actually a terrible reply.

They should be immune from prosecution for staging a coup.

This place would be completely shagged and a civil war probably raging had they not done so... Certainly many more would be dead.

You would probably have done a runner by now, if you are in fact even in Thailand in the first place.

So you think generals should be allowed to commit coups with impunity. That's clearly the attitude in Thailand's military.

There seem to be two kinds of countries in the world; countries where coups are treated as acts of treason, and countries that have a lot of coups.

... and countries where coups are no longer necessary as the Military Dictatorship just stays put.

In the mean time we have red-shirts not interested in helping their country move forward. They seem to like to be able to say they didn't get involved ignoring they didn't want to get involved. Jatuporn seems really annoyed he didn't even get the chance to refuse being appointed

"... and countries where coups are no longer necessary as the Military Dictatorship just stays put."

Yes, there are quite a few people who think Thailand should be in that category. The ones who are awed by Prayuth and want him to take his time on the job.

"In the mean time we have red-shirts not interested in helping their country move forward."

They're definitely not interested in helping the junta with its agenda. Perhaps they lack your faith in military dictatorships.

[fab4]

So you think generals should be allowed to commit coups with impunity. That's clearly the attitude in Thailand's military.

There seem to be two kinds of countries in the world; countries where coups are treated as acts of treason, and countries that have a lot of coups.

... and countries where coups are no longer necessary as the Military Dictatorship just stays put.

In the mean time we have red-shirts not interested in helping their country move forward. They seem to like to be able to say they didn't get involved ignoring they didn't want to get involved. Jatuporn seems really annoyed he didn't even get the chance to refuse being appointed

I love the way you dress up your unwavering support for the junta's coup by accusing everybody else that is not toeing the line as "not interested in helping their country move forward".

Do you honestly believe this junta picked/approved reform committee is genuinely going to help the country "move forward" by disenfranchising a large proportion of it's citizens?

\

Well, anyone who seems to want to go back to the chaos we had more than four months ago doesn't seem to be interested in moving their country (or as posters are concerned this country) forward.

BTW do you honestly believe all the nonsense you write? The assumptions stated as facts?

I have an opinion as do you. Mine however, does not include embracing military coups.

[englishoak]

2/3 of the country arnt just going to disappear, they will adapt and wait.