Koh Tao murders: Police chief reconfirms Myanmar migrant workers are real suspects

[kkup]

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smoke and mirrors

OK ... want to know what really happened , the 2 burmese in custody were involved , but their the only 2 prosecuted !

Congratulations to the RTP for actually arresting 2 suspects who were involved in this horrific crime however ....

Sean arranges to meet David later that fateful night but tells police the next day he never saw him or Hannah .

He did actually meet them on the beach where there were several other people partying , some left and some stayed on .

Too much alcohol and too many drugs equals danger ?

Some guy who made a pass at Hannah earlier turns up and get fresh , Hannah gets upset , David gets defensive , things get serious and nasty David throws a few in defense , then the mob turn on him , Sean's guitar gets splattered in blood , the mob then knock David out or seriously wound him to be defenseless, gang rape Hannah , kill her and finish David off .

Brave boy Sean flees .

Next day Sean is cornered and advised to vacate or else .

Too brave to tell the truth , he rings his mum and sister back home and they advise him to not do the right thing and just leave ASAP as this is Thailand he may end up doing time for a crime he wasn't involved in .

Watch his last interview on KT , he is in total fear and he has left but where too ?

RTP under immense pressure to clean it up as solved but the whole drug thing has connections so the easiest way is just pick out the 2 easiest suspects / perps , the 2 burmese were in it , probably just rape ????

You missed out the village heads son, he was also on the beach..

[intune53]

That is good then....But what happened to this guy...why was he asked to hang himself by Mon and Mons Copper Friend ??? and why is Mon taken pic of hin in the Minimart ???

YES ! Exactly i have been thinking about this crack head coward too.... I think catweazle ( poster here who knows quite a lot ) can sort this out.

I have a hunch that this crackhead was involved at the beach scuffle but actually wasn't on David's side ( as to been on a serious wacked out bender ) when the AC team turned up ( were actually looking for David ) hell broke loose and he was involved then fled .

I also think the 2 burmese guys were involved, maybe raped Hannah before after post mortem but weren't actually included in the murder .

Just my theory , this F ...%^%^% 8 ....ed oxygen thief low life addict got a warning to leave or else and he did , but for sure hes not innocent .

He needs to be tracked down and seriously interrogated then all will really know what happened.

If i was David's or Hanna's family id be hunting him ! literally

I agree. The Sean guy is somehow involved in this case. If he was not, then he would have spoken out by now.

I agree that Sean clearly has some vital evidence to give.Sean, we're all waiting for you to do the right thing....

I don't agree we can realistically surmise he was not on David's side.

Sean's current and longterm girlfriend is in David Miller's friendlist on facebook.

Sean and David were not just acquaintances.

[traveller 2020]

No I didnt !

Someone has to cough a lot of money to clean all this up .

The headman has a lot of responsibility as he controls most of everything on KT .

He has to protect tourism and his own family too , his own son may of not actually been involved ( remember he fled by private boat early the next day ) but even if innocent his dad has to clean this up , or no more income , #1 for all the authorities too

[traveller 2020]

There is some talk of headmans son , Mon being acquitted of rape 2 years earlier though police had evidence ( leg wound requiring 12 stitches when he escaped through a window

[love1012]

I repeat, The RTP are saying their was only 4 people on the beach that night at the time of the murders,

utter and complete lies!

OK. As you seem to know more than everyone else here, could you please enlighten us on, what happened *really* that night?

No he cant except that it certainly wasnt the way its being fitted up for convenience .- can YOU tell us what happened, wed love to know?

[love1012]

Tourist murder suspects confess to human rights commissioner

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/tourist-murder-suspects-confess-human-rights-commissioner/

And here is just the opposite.... So what is it???

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

Amazing all these totally messed up news stories.

And later on TV members will be insulted and flamed because one claims the police said this, no they said that, no here is the link they didn't say that.

when of course - we all know that like YOU tey never say or do anything wrong do they?

[love1012]

Its NOT just 2 poor drunken hobbits.

It appears the victims were drinking that night but missed reports that the two suspects were drunk. Do you have a link to this or just speculation again stated as fact by you?

Lawyer Aung Myo Thant said the pair, Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun, both 21, from the Arakanese town of Kyaukphyu, told a Burmese embassy legal team they had murdered English tourists Hannah Witheridge and David Miller by bludgeoning them to death with a hoe on 15 September. However, he said, their stories were somewhat inconsistent and their faces portrayed fear.(DVB)

From what we have learned, there are inconsistencies with both the forensic report and evidence provided in the case, Aung Myo Thant DVB is reporting. The defendants kept repeating that they were very drunk that night. Based on what we have been told, it seems to us like this case is a set-up and not based on hard facts.

You can find links of the Lawyers statements everywhere

So they were drunk as you claim and had somewhat inconsistent statements and they are sitting in jail probably facing the death penalty and looked scared as they told their lawyers they did it.

Do the lawyers plan on getting swabs of their DNA to compare with the crime scene DNA that multiple labs / universities have on file from the crime scene or are they just doing what lawyers do and trying to use what they can to suggest doubt and staying away from what proves guilt?

you missed out - sitting in jail covered in bruises and burns from your heroes!! You really are a nasty uncaring piece of work arent you john? I hope one day you learn your lesson about your heroes and see them for what they are.................tell me .............do you own a motor scooter..........if you do ..................drive it very close to the gutter!!!

[bunglebag]

Have heard from contact in Aus that some people they know bought drugs from sean whilst partying on KT ? apparently supplied by his employers.

Also he was known to pimp ( sorry introduce ) foreign female visitors to those sources in exchange for free candy and coloured lollies .

Smell a turd ?

The British authorities need to find this dollpop before he turns up somewhere stiff !

I surmise sean lured hannah and maybe David to a beach party. The story that the thai guy come on to Hannah.

And she rejected him, then david stepped in to help, was proved did not happen at the bar. But maybe that did happen at the beach. There was a fight, things went too far. Sean ran.

I used to think he ran because he was scared. Now believe he ran and is in hiding because he is guilty in some part of this.

If these stories are in the rigt ballpark then who is the Thai candy guy? Mon?

[traveller 2020]

I think anyone that really knows the real Thailand knows what happened that night ? who was really involved ( including perhaps the 2 burmese guys ) and several staff from a certain bar.

I also think David was the only male who was in a better ( more sober ) state of mind and chose to defend poor Hannah as at least one member of the mob had intentions to have sex with her at whatever cost.

I think the mob who committed this crime are all known to each other and have previously worked or work together in a bar that David and Hannah knew , visited or where Sean works or is well known too .

[intune53]

This is building momentum now, the telegraph has written an article now saying that the Burmese guys could ne scapegoats and that the RTP's conduct in the case has been questionable at best.

Keep it going people the petition was at 36000 last time I checked

I contacted Tom Phillips from the Telegraph on Sunday and exchanged a few emails with him. I'm so glad they've published an article, and a very well written one at that. This will put questions into a huge audience here in the UK who may not have been following events. Hopefully other news agencies will follow suit.

Lausie,

I am all out of likes today but you are utterly brilliant.Good work-well done, I commend you highly!!! Keeping this story hot in the British press is vital right now. The telegraph is well respected and usually other press follows suit.They can not do so quickly enough.

Petition now at 42,000 signatures and as it is mentioned in the telegraph article it can only go up and quickly.

Well done Tom Phillips.Come on UK press, follow his lead, time is of the essence.

http://www.telegraph...ns-murders.html

Please share everywhere.

Thank you!

My hope is that with the world watching, Thailand will be forced to do things correctly lest the entire nation lose face, very very publicly.

It took 20 minutes to blast emails out to a bunch of journalists over the weekend. It's a small token, but could have a huge impact - if you have concerns with how things are being dealt with, I'd encourage you to get in touch with as many as you can. Drawing their attention to the 200,000+ likes the CSI LA page has gained in the last few days might also be useful in demonstrating how much interest in this there is.

Many journalists have contact details on their twitter profiles. Failing that, you can usually submit queries/stories via news agency websites

The Guardian Newspaper UK have followed The Telegraph's lead, posted half and hour ago :-

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/suspects-britons-murder-thailand-police-brutality

"Thai police officers threatened the two suspects with electrocution during a violent interrogation before the pair agreed to admit to killing Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, according to a Burmese embassy lawyer who spoke to the men on Tuesday."

Hopefully more UK press articles on their way-The world IS watching.

Edited October 7, 2014 by intune53

[traveller 2020]

Have heard from contact in Aus that some people they know bought drugs from sean whilst partying on KT ? apparently supplied by his employers.

Also he was known to pimp ( sorry introduce ) foreign female visitors to those sources in exchange for free candy and coloured lollies .

Smell a turd ?

The British authorities need to find this dollpop before he turns up somewhere stiff !

I surmise sean lured hannah and maybe David to a beach party. The story that the thai guy come on to Hannah.

And she rejected him, then david stepped in to help, was proved did not happen at the bar. But maybe that did happen at the beach. There was a fight, things went too far. Sean ran.

I used to think he ran because he was scared. Now believe he ran and is in hiding because he is guilty in some part of this.

If these stories are in the rigt ballpark then who is the Thai candy guy? Mon?

Im sure most followers here have an idea who the candy guy is ?

Its not the Headman himself but someone in his circle ? family or important staff member or manager , important enough for him to protect and pay 1 Mil baht to protect plus pay compensation to the 2 burmese to take the fall plus imagine all the other costs to the authorities.

Recently a Thai businessman gave his student son 25 Mil baht to buy a limited edition number plate so he looks good !

Whats a mil to save your reputation !

[bunglebag]

There is some talk of headmans son , Mon being acquitted of rape 2 years earlier though police had evidence ( leg wound requiring 12 stitches when he escaped through a window

Mon is the headman's brother, not son?

Warot is the headman's son - possibly not that involved then

Who's the candyman? Maybe family or DJ?

Sun? Aon?

MON?

Edited October 7, 2014 by bunglebag

[traveller 2020]

One of the worlds wealthiest men was recently asked whether he felt cheated that his software ( worlds most dominant pc software ) was sold openly as pirated ( non genuine ) as there were no copyright protection in Thailand , at regular cost of 100 to 300 baht as opposed to genuine versions of 6000 baht ?

His answer ..Umm i have more than 50 Billion $$ so i guess .. i could run Thailand , his suggestion it would take about 10 billion to be a major player , but who'd want too ?

Touche !

[cowboy country]

That is good then....But what happened to this guy...why was he asked to hang himself by Mon and Mons Copper Friend ??? and why is Mon taken pic of hin in the Minimart ???

He is real suspect.

Looking for DNA of asian persons...Sean isn't asian..

Police said they tested Seans DNA and he was free to go..

So do you think it is fair that Mon's son's have not been DNA tested, because many people think he is a suspect...just like you think Sean is..Do you wan't the truth here or just a good high season...

[khunpa]

That is good then....But what happened to this guy...why was he asked to hang himself by Mon and Mons Copper Friend ??? and why is Mon taken pic of hin in the Minimart ???

YES ! Exactly i have been thinking about this crack head coward too.... I think catweazle ( poster here who knows quite a lot ) can sort this out.

I have a hunch that this crackhead was involved at the beach scuffle but actually wasn't on David's side ( as to been on a serious wacked out bender ) when the AC team turned up ( were actually looking for David ) hell broke loose and he was involved then fled .

I also think the 2 burmese guys were involved, maybe raped Hannah before after post mortem but weren't actually included in the murder .

Just my theory , this F ...%^%^% 8 ....ed oxygen thief low life addict got a warning to leave or else and he did , but for sure hes not innocent .

He needs to be tracked down and seriously interrogated then all will really know what happened.

If i was David's or Hanna's family id be hunting him ! literally

I agree. The Sean guy is somehow involved in this case. If he was not, then he would have spoken out by now.

I agree that Sean clearly has some vital evidence to give.Sean, we're all waiting for you to do the right thing....

I don't agree we can realistically surmise he was not on David's side.

Sean's current and longterm girlfriend is in David Miller's friendlist on facebook.

Sean and David were not just acquaintances.

And that especially makes Sean's reaction (after running and hiding) even more strange.

If friends, would it then be natural to hide? (although of course he is a convicted child porn collector). Or is he hiding because, he was there on the beach that night and saw the whole thing?

[intune53]

I think Sean has crucial information and whatever his reason for not speaking up is, it's not a good enough reason.

When the news of his previous conviction came out his sister spoke up, defending him in the comments below the article as having been downloaded accidentally. She said he had not intentionally sought these images and that he had never viewed them and had deleted them immediately.She said court records showed this was the case, however, downloading child abuse images is illegal in the UK whether or not you did it on purpose or by accident.He was sentenced to 100 odd hours of community service and did not serve a prison sentence in light of the fact he did not view the images and it was his first and only offence.

I don't think his past has any bearing on whether or not he has the courage to give his version of events of that night IMO.

Edited October 7, 2014 by intune53

[bigjules007]

Going global!

[intune53]

Going global!

YES!!

Just published on UK ITV news:-

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-10-07/burmese-murder-suspects-in-british-tourist-killings-say-they-were-beaten/

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL have just issued this statement:-

""The pressure to be seen to be solving an appalling crime that has garnered considerable attention should not result in the violation of rights, including to a fair trial."

Edited October 7, 2014 by intune53

[traveller 2020]

I think everyone here apart from Catweazle has overlooked the most important thing , Sean was ALLOWED to leave by the Police , infact he was seriously encouraged to leave ASAP ..... WHY ?????

Because he knows what went down that night and who are the real perpetrators !

He also can actually can identify them because he probably knows them !

He possibly has worked with them or even for them or their families and keep in mind he's known to police there for criminal activity .

He is known and faces quite some prosecution so if not that at the least , he faces perhaps a similar fate as David and Hannah received .

So he flees for his life and he hides and he is marked !!!!!! his backpack is CURRENTLY visiting more clammy places that Bin ladens last suitcase ..LOL !

If the British authorities don't catch up with him a paid visitor possibly will !

And it wont be a jam session with a few sing a long song !

[littlebw]

For Sean to keep quiet the police must have something on him eg drug dealing and told him if he doesnt keep quiet he will be extradited back to Thailand to face charges

or he is shit scared off the mafia catching up with him

either way the police know hence the reason to get him out of the way

[englishoak]

Have heard from contact in Aus that some people they know bought drugs from sean whilst partying on KT ? apparently supplied by his employers.

Also he was known to pimp ( sorry introduce ) foreign female visitors to those sources in exchange for free candy and coloured lollies .

Smell a turd ?

The British authorities need to find this dollpop before he turns up somewhere stiff !

I surmise sean lured hannah and maybe David to a beach party. The story that the thai guy come on to Hannah.

And she rejected him, then david stepped in to help, was proved did not happen at the bar. But maybe that did happen at the beach. There was a fight, things went too far. Sean ran.

I used to think he ran because he was scared. Now believe he ran and is in hiding because he is guilty in some part of this.

If these stories are in the rigt ballpark then who is the Thai candy guy? Mon?

That is the interpreter the police were using that allegedly smacked the suspect 4 times round the head..........

seems this guy is working with his business on the Island, hes also the one the suspects said they do not trust to translate properly.

Of course i cant go without mentioning his whole business is entirely dependent on the permission and rent charged by certain officials of the Island so he cant really be seen as independent or neutral now can he ?

[traveller 2020]

The solution to this tragic event is Sean Mcan , find him and you have the truth , problem for that piece of &lt;deleted&gt; is the real perps know it too

In anyway hes on the run !

Wouldnt want to be in his sandals or flip flops

[cowboy country]

I bet the RTP will think twice about covering up the next tourist murder

Prachum Ruangthong, the police chief responsible for Koh Tao, dismissed claims the confessions had been obtained through torture, the Bangkok Post reported.

“It is impossible to create scapegoats in 2014, since it is easier for police to be grilled by the public,” he was quoted as saying.

[traveller 2020]

Have just heard some bar flies in Pattaya ( two of them a retired British coppers ) have just taken bets on Sean , apparently odds are not looking too good on his future long term lifespan . uhhh ? wonder what they suggest ? think they may know something ?????

[seahorse]

The Guardian Newspaper UK have followed The Telegraph's lead, posted half and hour ago :-

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/suspects-britons-murder-thailand-police-brutality

"Thai police officers threatened the two suspects with electrocution during a violent interrogation before the pair agreed to admit to killing Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, according to a Burmese embassy lawyer who spoke to the men on Tuesday."

Hopefully more UK press articles on their way-The world IS watching.

Photographic evidence of their alleged abuse, seen by the Guardian, has been passed to the British ambassador to Thailand, Mark Kent

I find this to be the most interesting thing from this Guardian report.

[MikePhuket1970]

I bet the RTP will think twice about covering up the next tourist murder

Prachum Ruangthong, the police chief responsible for Koh Tao, dismissed claims the confessions had been obtained through torture, the Bangkok Post reported.

“It is impossible to create scapegoats in 2014, since it is easier for police to be grilled by the public,” he was quoted as saying.

Thats his knowledge now but not the last three weeks otherwise we would have a cristal clear case already.

I am also interested in the criminal history of Koh Tao,lets say the last 5 years.A lot of $hit would comming up i bet !

[mrtoad]

Looks like more and more credible newspapers expressing significant concerns. Think The BIB need to be prepared for one big shit storm heading their way.

[cowboy country]

That is good then....But what happened to this guy...why was he asked to hang himself by Mon and Mons Copper Friend ??? and why is Mon taken pic of hin in the Minimart ???

YES ! Exactly i have been thinking about this crack head coward too.... I think catweazle ( poster here who knows quite a lot ) can sort this out.

I have a hunch that this crackhead was involved at the beach scuffle but actually wasn't on David's side ( as to been on a serious wacked out bender ) when the AC team turned up ( were actually looking for David ) hell broke loose and he was involved then fled .

I also think the 2 burmese guys were involved, maybe raped Hannah before after post mortem but weren't actually included in the murder .

Just my theory , this F ...%^%^% 8 ....ed oxygen thief low life addict got a warning to leave or else and he did , but for sure hes not innocent .

He needs to be tracked down and seriously interrogated then all will really know what happened.

If i was David's or Hanna's family id be hunting him ! literally

Hmm, so if you know he is a crackhead can you tell us who controls the crack or ice or Yaba in that very very small area that he was living and working?

The police will be very interested in knowing more..

[bunglebag]

Have just heard some bar flies in Pattaya ( two of them a retired British coppers ) have just taken bets on Sean , apparently odds are not looking too good on his future long term lifespan . uhhh ? wonder what they suggest ? think they may know something ?????

If his card is marked then (a) he owes it to his alleged 'friend's to blow the lid on it before he is no longer able to and (b ) can't help feeling his best chance of surviving is to be under the supervision of the UK police. Whether he does so may depend how involved he was / how worried he is for his life (if any of this is in the right ballpark). He might have split allegiances but should bear in mind one party would most likely have fought for him and the other party might be capable of ending his life without blinking.

I'm amazed he made it out of Thailand if he is that deep in it (if in fact he did, though I think his sister posted on facebook that he did).

I thought previously that his original facebook message 'xyz did it' was referring to the original murders and not who *might* do him in that night. Can't help feeling Mon might be the candy guy. There was previous talk too that he likes weapons and had a thing for blondes - but this was just TV talk.

If Warot was not directly involved and cannot be linked then why the desperation to get him off the island, and why not have him do the DNA test to stop the rumours? - Is it Warot that maybe jumped out of a window 2 years ago onto some glass and not Mon maybe? Headman must be ticked off that his son is getting so much heat if he was not a perp.

Edited October 7, 2014 by bunglebag

[SteveFong]

None of the chatter will serve the higher purpose now,

perhaps it is better to make the threads more useful, since we know foreign reporters, human rights advocates, lawyers and the thai police are reading these pages,

feed them useful information, and not nonsense, or they will leave

I believe Sean is reading them too, and, he and the others, need to be standing in front of cameras talking to the world