Koh Tao murders: Police chief reconfirms Myanmar migrant workers are real suspects

[bertty]

I don't think these 2 had anything to do with murder or rape, never have, never will. Find it a little amazing that a number of people are now saying 'well they might have been involved somehow.

Lets say they rapped her. When ? after half her head had been hacked off ?... What a turn on that must be.

Or you reckon whilst David was being hacked to death they thought ' lets give her one' whilst that lot are fighting, No one will notice.

And damn if it hadn't of been for the second lot of Dna tests they took they would have got away scot-free.

Where's Scooby and shaggy when you need them... Damn those pesky kids....

[SteveFong]

This case is being blown into a national fiasco

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

[BoristheBlade]

I know jack, but NO RTP account is going to convince anyone there was only 4 people on the beach at the time of the murder. David was attacked and taken out by 2 burmese piss heads who weigh 50kg piss wet through...who then went on to gang rape a girl , then kill her....NO ...sorry it's not happening...their were many witneses to this incident

I repeat, The RTP are saying their was only 4 people on the beach that night at the time of the murders,
utter and complete lies!

OK. As you seem to know more than everyone else here, could you please enlighten us on, what happened *really* that night?

Edited October 7, 2014 by BoristheBlade

[JohnThailandJohn]

I reckon they beat them so hard that they made the wrong DNA come out of them and then made them wear makeup on their body to cover up the intense torture they went through.

But seriously, if they didn't do it then it will come out. Too many people involved in the case and too much can be re-verified --- namely re-comparing their dna to that collected at the crime scene and shared with numerous labs.

Edited October 7, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[BoristheBlade]

Very telling no show

Koh Tao ‘murderers’ were tortured, says Burmese embassy lawyer

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murderers-were-tortured-says-burmese-embassy-lawyer-burma-myanmar/44781

Jonathan Head @pakhead · 10h10 hours ago

Thai police about to start press conf in BKK to explain the #KohTao investigation. Brit Ambassador will not attend.

[Pattaya46]

I know jack, but NO RTP account is going to convince anyone there was only 4 people on the beach at the time of the murder. David was attacked and taken out by 2 burmese piss heads who weigh 50kg piss wet through...who then went on to gang rape a girl , then kill her....NO ...sorry it's not happening...their were many witneses to this incident

Thanks, but I ask you what happened, not what not happened

What did these "many witnesses" see ?

[traveller 2020]

Have heard from contact in Aus that some people they know bought drugs from sean whilst partying on KT ? apparently supplied by his employers.

Also he was known to pimp ( sorry introduce ) foreign female visitors to those sources in exchange for free candy and coloured lollies .

Smell a turd ?

The British authorities need to find this dollpop before he turns up somewhere stiff !

[khunpa]

That is good then....But what happened to this guy...why was he asked to hang himself by Mon and Mons Copper Friend ??? and why is Mon taken pic of hin in the Minimart ???

YES ! Exactly i have been thinking about this crack head coward too.... I think catweazle ( poster here who knows quite a lot ) can sort this out.

I have a hunch that this crackhead was involved at the beach scuffle but actually wasn't on David's side ( as to been on a serious wacked out bender ) when the AC team turned up ( were actually looking for David ) hell broke loose and he was involved then fled .

I also think the 2 burmese guys were involved, maybe raped Hannah before after post mortem but weren't actually included in the murder .

Just my theory , this F ...%^%^% 8 ....ed oxygen thief low life addict got a warning to leave or else and he did , but for sure hes not innocent .

He needs to be tracked down and seriously interrogated then all will really know what happened.

If i was David's or Hanna's family id be hunting him ! literally

I agree. The Sean guy is somehow involved in this case. If he was not, then he would have spoken out by now.

[greenchair]

It seems there Are 2 groups on tv.

Those who believe the boys completely innocent.

Those who believe the boys guilty, but did not act alone.

I am in the 2nd group.

Which one are you?

[traveller 2020]

exactly !

lets just be simple and honest , if this crackhead is so innocent and nothing to hide then why is he hiding ??????

If you really want to know what went down that night you have to find Sean and interrogate him before he won't physically be able to do so .

he is the key witness , got blood all over himself and his guitar , whose blood ????

he may be an accomplice at least the key witness , where is he now ?

[JohnThailandJohn]

Tourist murder suspects confess to human rights commissioner
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/tourist-murder-suspects-confess-human-rights-commissioner/

[Unconvinced]

This case is being blown into a national fiasco

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

Wow! That Coconuts article is dynamite. Are they/we sure they've got this right? The Irawaddy article reported the Myanmar embassy lawyer as saying the suspects were fearful and had been "tortured" but recited their admission of hitting the victims with the back of the hoe. Coconuts says they have recanted.

I was going to say that, even without independent confirmation of a DNA match, these suspects are toast if they don't recant. From the UK point of view (with public and journalists unfamiliar with Thai police previous), a reported confession and DNA match were difficult to question, and the news story was fading. If they recant and the Myanmar govt backs them, this goes nuclear.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Unconvinced

[JohnThailandJohn]

Meanwhile, Ms Pornpen Kongkachornkiat, director of Cross Cultural Foundation and a member of the subcommittee of the National Human Rights Commission and a representative of foreign migrant workers’ network called on Mr Paibul Artchavananthakul, Koh Samui public prosecutor, to follow up the case against the two Myanmar suspects, Win and Sorin.

She said that she felt relieved that the case was proceeding in accordance with procedures.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/tourist-murder-suspects-confess-human-rights-commissioner/

Edited October 7, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[traveller 2020]

I believe the second group is correct , the 2 burmese were involved but their taking the wrap for several others who were involved , one was even so concerned to avoid detection he wore a condom , now what rapist has ever worn a condom ? then theres dna found on Hannah's nipples so now that makes it at least 4 people , and i think its actually more .

Drug fuelled beach party bash and poor Hannah ( RIP ) was the bash , David was beaten and killed because he tried to stop it , pack rape doesn't look good to potential tourists whether in involves locals or foreigners ???

[khunpa]

Tourist murder suspects confess to human rights commissioner

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/tourist-murder-suspects-confess-human-rights-commissioner/

And here is just the opposite.... So what is it???

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

Amazing all these totally messed up news stories.

[greenchair]

Have heard from contact in Aus that some people they know bought drugs from sean whilst partying on KT ? apparently supplied by his employers.

Also he was known to pimp ( sorry introduce ) foreign female visitors to those sources in exchange for free candy and coloured lollies .

Smell a turd ?

The British authorities need to find this dollpop before he turns up somewhere stiff !

I surmise sean lured hannah and maybe David to a beach party. The story that the thai guy come on to Hannah.

And she rejected him, then david stepped in to help, was proved did not happen at the bar. But maybe that did happen at the beach. There was a fight, things went too far. Sean ran.

I used to think he ran because he was scared. Now believe he ran and is in hiding because he is guilty in some part of this.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Tourist murder suspects confess to human rights commissioner

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/tourist-murder-suspects-confess-human-rights-commissioner/

And here is just the opposite.... So what is it???

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

Amazing all these totally messed up news stories.

Their lawyers have actually confirmed they also confessed to them too, despite them saying they were also abused.

[englishoak]

Koh Tao Murders: Accused recant confessions, tell embassy lawyer they were tortured

Attorney Aung Myo Thant from the Burmese Embassy made his comments after meeting with the two men, Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun, who Thai police said had confessed to the crime. In Burmese media reports, the lawyer said the two men told him they only confessed because they were forced to under torture. "They told me that they were on the beach that night drinking and singing songs,” he said. “They said they didn't do it, that the Thai police (along with their Burmese-Thai translator) beat them until they confessed to something they didn't do. They're pleading with the Burmese government to look into the case and find out the truth. They were a really pitiful sight. Their bodies had all sorts of bruises. I have already reported all that I have seen today to my government."

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

But Im not buying all of that just yet

Edited October 7, 2014 by englishoak

[bertty]

Tourist murder suspects confess to human rights commissioner

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/tourist-murder-suspects-confess-human-rights-commissioner/

And here is just the opposite.... So what is it???

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

Amazing all these totally messed up news stories.

Their lawyers have actually confirmed they also confessed to them too, despite them saying they were also abused.

Are you sure of that ?

I got the impression that the police had said that is what the lawyers told them.

[Dogmatix]

In this clip from Channel 3 Pol Maj Sawat explains why police can't collect DNA samples from all individuals due to human rights issues.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=704438416300553&set=vb.596740650403664&type=3&theater

Fortunately this wasn't an issue for the Burmese workers who were seen all lining up for compulsory DNA swabs. One of the suspects was seen in the initial line up but his test must have been a false negative as his DNA only matched when a fresh sample was taken after his arrest. Lucky his DNA was tested twice or he would have got away with it.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Dogmatix

[Anthony5]

Tourist murder suspects confess to human rights commissioner

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/tourist-murder-suspects-confess-human-rights-commissioner/

And here is just the opposite.... So what is it???

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

Amazing all these totally messed up news stories.

And later on TV members will be insulted and flamed because one claims the police said this, no they said that, no here is the link they didn't say that.

[khunpa]

Have heard from contact in Aus that some people they know bought drugs from sean whilst partying on KT ? apparently supplied by his employers.

Also he was known to pimp ( sorry introduce ) foreign female visitors to those sources in exchange for free candy and coloured lollies .

Smell a turd ?

The British authorities need to find this dollpop before he turns up somewhere stiff !

I surmise sean lured hannah and maybe David to a beach party. The story that the thai guy come on to Hannah.

And she rejected him, then david stepped in to help, was proved did not happen at the bar. But maybe that did happen at the beach. There was a fight, things went too far. Sean ran.

I used to think he ran because he was scared. Now believe he ran and is in hiding because he is guilty in some part of this.

Yes, Sean is involved somehow. Any normal person, who ran from the island like him, would have told his story after getting out of Thailand. Even if it was a BS story. The fact that he seems to have disappeared is very strange and not normal - unless he knows something and was there.

[Scully]

I reckon they beat them so hard that they made the wrong DNA come out of them and then made them wear makeup on their body to cover up the intense torture they went through.

But seriously, if they didn't do it then it will come out. Too many people involved in the case and too much can be re-verified --- namely re-comparing their dna to that collected at the crime scene and shared with numerous labs.

Here we go again, a thread with every other post yours. All you are doing is regurgitating the info the BIB have given us from your ivory towers outside of Thailand (unless you are a vampire who stays up all night). Those of us that live or have lived in Thailand for several years know how deeply corruption is at EVERY level. It wouldn't surprise me if this is a huge cover up but won't get in to a debate because I don't know.

I do however have an open mind and am interested in different opinions, your mind however seems closed to everyone other than the famous BIB. A huge amount of Thais believe its a cover up and for goodness sake they should know what their authorities are capable of.

I don't want a reply because I can already predict what you'll say.

[traveller 2020]

smoke and mirrors

OK ... want to know what really happened , the 2 burmese in custody were involved , but their the only 2 prosecuted !

Congratulations to the RTP for actually arresting 2 suspects who were involved in this horrific crime however ....

Sean arranges to meet David later that fateful night but tells police the next day he never saw him or Hannah .

He did actually meet them on the beach where there were several other people partying , some left and some stayed on .

Too much alcohol and too many drugs equals danger ?

Some guy who made a pass at Hannah earlier turns up and get fresh , Hannah gets upset , David gets defensive , things get serious and nasty David throws a few in defense , then the mob turn on him , Sean's guitar gets splattered in blood , the mob then knock David out or seriously wound him to be defenseless, gang rape Hannah , kill her and finish David off .

Brave boy Sean flees .

Next day Sean is cornered and advised to vacate or else .

Too brave to tell the truth , he rings his mum and sister back home and they advise him to not do the right thing and just leave ASAP as this is Thailand he may end up doing time for a crime he wasn't involved in .

Watch his last interview on KT , he is in total fear and he has left but where too ?

RTP under immense pressure to clean it up as solved but the whole drug thing has connections so the easiest way is just pick out the 2 easiest suspects / perps , the 2 burmese were in it , probably just rape ????

[Anthony5]

Have heard from contact in Aus that some people they know bought drugs from sean whilst partying on KT ? apparently supplied by his employers.

Also he was known to pimp ( sorry introduce ) foreign female visitors to those sources in exchange for free candy and coloured lollies .

Smell a turd ?

The British authorities need to find this dollpop before he turns up somewhere stiff !

I surmise sean lured hannah and maybe David to a beach party. The story that the thai guy come on to Hannah.

And she rejected him, then david stepped in to help, was proved did not happen at the bar. But maybe that did happen at the beach. There was a fight, things went too far. Sean ran.

I used to think he ran because he was scared. Now believe he ran and is in hiding because he is guilty in some part of this.

Yes, Sean is involved somehow. Any normal person, who ran from the island like him, would have told his story after getting out of Thailand. Even if it was a BS story. The fact that he seems to have disappeared is very strange and not normal - unless he knows something and was there.

Does anyone know if Sean and David knew each other before the holidays ?

[englishoak]

Have heard from contact in Aus that some people they know bought drugs from sean whilst partying on KT ? apparently supplied by his employers.

Also he was known to pimp ( sorry introduce ) foreign female visitors to those sources in exchange for free candy and coloured lollies .

Smell a turd ?

The British authorities need to find this dollpop before he turns up somewhere stiff !

I surmise sean lured hannah and maybe David to a beach party. The story that the thai guy come on to Hannah.

And she rejected him, then david stepped in to help, was proved did not happen at the bar. But maybe that did happen at the beach. There was a fight, things went too far. Sean ran.

I used to think he ran because he was scared. Now believe he ran and is in hiding because he is guilty in some part of this.

Yes, Sean is involved somehow. Any normal person, who ran from the island like him, would have told his story after getting out of Thailand. Even if it was a BS story. The fact that he seems to have disappeared is very strange and not normal - unless he knows something and was there.

Does anyone know if Sean and David knew each other before the holidays ?

Yes they had met in Leeds UK the year or so before.

[elektrified]

It seems there Are 2 groups on tv.

Those who believe the boys completely innocent.

Those who believe the boys guilty, but did not act alone.

I am in the 2nd group.

Which one are you?

After much thought and a lot of reading, I also think the Burmese kids are somehow involved but did not act alone. Their confession as to how they killed the victims is not consistent with the wounds on the victims. I also think the Scottish druggie/pedophile is one of those involved as his arm and leg wounds are identical to the male victim. The blood all over him and his guitar is very damning. I also think there was a gang rape by as many as 4 perpetrators. I would not be surprised if all the parties; victims and perpetrators were all out of their minds on drugs and alcohol at the time.

[Dogmatix]

Tourist murder suspects confess to human rights commissioner

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/tourist-murder-suspects-confess-human-rights-commissioner/

And here is just the opposite.... So what is it???

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

Amazing all these totally messed up news stories.

Their lawyers have actually confirmed they also confessed to them too, despite them saying they were also abused.

That was my reading of the Burmese lawyer's statement too. The remarks attributed to the Thai human rights commissioner by Thai PBS are curious but may be lost in translation.

Commenting on the suspicion by netizens in the social media that the two suspects might be just scapegoats, Mr Prinya suggested that the police should disclose more details about the case to clear up the air.He said the two told him that they drank both beer and wine before they attacked the two British tourists and he suspected that they might be drunk at the time they committed the crime.He went on saying that he would notify the police about their interpreter who was a Rohingya as the two suspects did not trust the interpreter and were afraid that they might not be treated fairly.

"He suspected that they might be drunk at the time they committed the crime." Brilliant. ".. he would notify the police about their interpreter whoh was a Rohingya." I think the police already know about the banana pancake selling interpreter because he is alleged to have been involved in beating up the suspects. I wonder what type of visa and WP he has to sell pancakes by the side of the road. Since Rohingyas are stateless, it must have been hard for him to obtain a passport in the first place.

I have a feeling that Coconuts might be jumping the gun but wouldn't be surprised to see this scenario come to pass in the not too distant future. The police seem to be struggling to adapt to the new order involving Thais empowered by social media.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Dogmatix

[bigjules007]

This is building momentum now, the telegraph has written an article now saying that the Burmese guys could ne scapegoats and that the RTP's conduct in the case has been questionable at best.

Keep it going people the petition was at 36000 last time I checked

I contacted Tom Phillips from the Telegraph on Sunday and exchanged a few emails with him. I'm so glad they've published an article, and a very well written one at that. This will put questions into a huge audience here in the UK who may not have been following events. Hopefully other news agencies will follow suit.

Lausie,

I am all out of likes today but you are utterly brilliant.Good work-well done, I commend you highly!!! Keeping this story hot in the British press is vital right now. The telegraph is well respected and usually other press follows suit.They can not do so quickly enough.

Petition now at 42,000 signatures and as it is mentioned in the telegraph article it can only go up and quickly.

Well done Tom Phillips.Come on UK press, follow his lead, time is of the essence.

http://www.telegraph...ns-murders.html

Please share everywhere.

Thank you!

My hope is that with the world watching, Thailand will be forced to do things correctly lest the entire nation lose face, very very publicly.

It took 20 minutes to blast emails out to a bunch of journalists over the weekend. It's a small token, but could have a huge impact - if you have concerns with how things are being dealt with, I'd encourage you to get in touch with as many as you can. Drawing their attention to the 200,000+ likes the CSI LA page has gained in the last few days might also be useful in demonstrating how much interest in this there is.

Many journalists have contact details on their twitter profiles. Failing that, you can usually submit queries/stories via news agency websites.

Good work, I urge everyone to do the same. People are now listening.

Please ignore the RTP apologists on TV we all know who they are and they are hell bent on trying to discredit us. I gave up arguing with them days ago because they were diverting my attention and side tracking me which is actually there goal.

Dont forget people, to be a good liar you must have an excellent memory, the RTP are displaying to us that they may have a touch of alzheimers.

[traveller 2020]

Local Thai guy fancied Hannah ( he usually gets whatever backpacker he fancies ) remember he's a candyman as he has a jar full of lollies .

He gets rejected publicly but what really pisses him off is David embarreses him .

So now he's really pissed off , Sean is known to him,so Sean is asked to invite Hannah and David to a beach party ? and guess who turns up .

Everyone knows in Thailand certain people are above the law

Hello !

The former PM now living in Dubai as a self imposed exile to avoid jail for corruption whilst his recently disposed sister who was a string puppet for him continues the family business.

Her recent disposal brought about because she was trying to pass a bill in parliament to exonerate him on all corruption charges and then have to return as PM again .

This is world public knowledge ????

Thaksin previously was a high ranking policeman ???