Koh Tao murders: Police chief reconfirms Myanmar migrant workers are real suspects

[bertty]

I do get rather emotional when I read some of these stories in the papers and some of the posts on here.

Its not as if these 2 guys are British/American or any other nationality that would ever be likely to read or write on TV.

And yet here we are supporting them and hopefully making a change.

I must admit to being proud of many of you guys. Less so the pricks who have followed like sheep.

[englishoak]

Sean needs to be talking to the British Police first imo or they will be wanting a chat with him. They will get far more out of him

I believe its very likely that has already happened.

[traveller 2020]

Cmon Sean do the right thing you owe it to David , Hannah and their suffering families , The British legal system will protect your rights and you will be treated with fairness and all dignity , forget about yourself for a moment and PLEASE PLEASE think about pood david and Hannah Please give them back some dignity and honor and justice

[MikePhuket1970]

"Photographic evidence of their alleged abuse, seen by the Guardian, has been passed to the British ambassador to Thailand, Mark Kent, as calls grow for an independent inquiry."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/suspects-britons-murder-thailand-police-brutality

This could rock the boat !!!

Can you HEAR me JohnThailandJohn,Beetlejuice,soumanioco,Hisseheo,SICHONSTEVE,balo,Tanlic ?

[englishoak]

On Monday, Mark Kent, the British ambassador in Bangkok, stopped short of offering full support to the Thai police investigation.

“Much speculation about UK views on Koh Tao investigation. UK has good relationship w Thai Police, but I have not commented on investigation,” he wrote.

Dosnt look like UK.gov has made any statement regarding the case let alone happy with the way it is progressing.

So Mr Kent just said he hasnt commented, so someone was making up previous stories Mr Kent was happy with proceedings, now theres a surprise.

All very interesting

Edited October 7, 2014 by englishoak

[cowboy country]

There is some talk of headmans son , Mon being acquitted of rape 2 years earlier though police had evidence ( leg wound requiring 12 stitches when he escaped through a window

Yes, my wife told me yesterday that story has a lot of people on Thai social media talking about that..

The female victim had to flee the scene back to the UK,

The son wasn't acquitted, no victim, no crime, nothing to see here...

When they provide all their sons and cousins for DNA tests to the British Authorities we know what they have to hide..

If these young Burmese guys worked at AC bar bar it would not be unusual for them to be hanging around the Bosses son who is of similar age, figure it out..

[SteveFong]

more and more reporters are on the story.

create twitter accounts and start speaking to them directly,

any day, the military authorities may issue an order to close these threads, and that will be all she wrote,

get your back up onto twitter and facebook,

the lid is being blown off the case this week you can see the momentum now that they have lawyers and abuse is being discussed and the third witness is being secreted

[bunglebag]

Cmon Sean do the right thing you owe it to David , Hannah and their suffering families , The British legal system will protect your rights and you will be treated with fairness and all dignity , forget about yourself for a moment and PLEASE PLEASE think about pood david and Hannah Please give them back some dignity and honor and justice

Sean, if you can assist then the truth needs to come out for the sake of these two innocent people. If you're in it deeper than you wish you were blame it on Ya Ba, booze whatever but get it out. And if something is on your conscience then that may be eased a little by doing the right thing now.

[intune53]

Keep 'em coming UK media:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783749/Were-Burmese-migrants-tortured-confessing-murder-British-tourists-Thailand-Police-chief-defends-arrests-duo-denies-admitted-crimes-duress.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

The Daily Mail is the most visited English-language newspaper website in the world.

"'I insist that all officials in this case have done a good job. A perfect job,' the national police chief told a news conference in Bangkok.

But a lawyer contracted by Myanmar's embassy in Thailand to defend the suspects said the case was a 'set-up and not based on hard facts', according to the Democratic Voice of Burma, an independent Myanmar news organisation based in Norway."

And from The Independent which leads with:

"Amnesty International is urging the Thai junta to conduct an independent investigation into allegations that two Burmese workers who “confessed” to the murders of two British backpackers did so under duress and torture."

"Richard Bennett, Amnesty International’s Asia-Pacific Programme Director, said: “The Thai authorities must initiate an independent, effective and transparent investigation into mounting allegations of torture and other ill-treatment by police."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/thailand-murders-amnesty-demands-inquiry-into-allegations-of-torture-of-suspects-9780876.html

YES!!!

Edited October 7, 2014 by intune53

[cowboy country]

Have just heard some bar flies in Pattaya ( two of them a retired British coppers ) have just taken bets on Sean , apparently odds are not looking too good on his future long term lifespan . uhhh ? wonder what they suggest ? think they may know something ?????

If his card is marked then (a) he owes it to his alleged 'friend's to blow the lid on it before he is no longer able to and (b ) can't help feeling his best chance of surviving is to be under the supervision of the UK police. Whether he does so may depend how involved he was / how worried he is for his life (if any of this is in the right ballpark). He might have split allegiances but should bear in mind one party would most likely have fought for him and the other party might be capable of ending his life without blinking.

I'm amazed he made it out of Thailand if he is that deep in it (if in fact he did, though I think his sister posted on facebook that he did).

I thought previously that his original facebook message 'xyz did it' was referring to the original murders and not who *might* do him in that night. Can't help feeling Mon might be the candy guy. There was previous talk too that he likes weapons and had a thing for blondes - but this was just TV talk.

If Warot was not directly involved and cannot be linked then why the desperation to get him off the island, and why not have him do the DNA test to stop the rumours? - Is it Warot that maybe jumped out of a window 2 years ago onto some glass and not Mon maybe? Headman must be ticked off that his son is getting so much heat if he was not a perp.

You make a lot of good points,

Now the burmese have their lawyers perhaps we could start a fund to match the $1 million baht that the head man said he would pay if anyone could prove anyone from his family was involved....

Let's rustle up a million baht and offer it to the heads mans family if they give DNA samples to the UK authorities..All the sons and cousins...not put the samples in a taxi fto Singapore and end up in bkk...Let the uk compare them with the samples they have

If they have nothing to hide they'd jump at it and all this inuendo would vanish...

Then their sweet little Island can return to business as normal, even regain their already lost face and income,

What's worse for a Thai, loss of face or money? Well you have all of the above now..

Would be the perfect call for his disgusting offer of a million to prove his family did it...

The familes DNA holds the key..

[salween]

Keep 'em coming UK media:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783749/Were-Burmese-migrants-tortured-confessing-murder-British-tourists-Thailand-Police-chief-defends-arrests-duo-denies-admitted-crimes-duress.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

The Daily Mail is the most visited English-language newspaper website in the world.

"'I insist that all officials in this case have done a good job. A perfect job,' the national police chief told a news conference in Bangkok.

But a lawyer contracted by Myanmar's embassy in Thailand to defend the suspects said the case was a 'set-up and not based on hard facts', according to the Democratic Voice of Burma, an independent Myanmar news organisation based in Norway."

And from the Independent

[intune53]

Keep 'em coming UK media:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783749/Were-Burmese-migrants-tortured-confessing-murder-British-tourists-Thailand-Police-chief-defends-arrests-duo-denies-admitted-crimes-duress.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

The Daily Mail is the most visited English-language newspaper website in the world.

"'I insist that all officials in this case have done a good job. A perfect job,' the national police chief told a news conference in Bangkok.

But a lawyer contracted by Myanmar's embassy in Thailand to defend the suspects said the case was a 'set-up and not based on hard facts', according to the Democratic Voice of Burma, an independent Myanmar news organisation based in Norway."

And from the Independent

Amnesty International are ON IT.

[englishoak]

The Guardian Newspaper UK have followed The Telegraph's lead, posted half and hour ago :-

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/suspects-britons-murder-thailand-police-brutality

"Thai police officers threatened the two suspects with electrocution during a violent interrogation before the pair agreed to admit to killing Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, according to a Burmese embassy lawyer who spoke to the men on Tuesday."

Hopefully more UK press articles on their way-The world IS watching.

Photographic evidence of their alleged abuse, seen by the Guardian, has been passed to the British ambassador to Thailand, Mark Kent

I find this to be the most interesting thing from this Guardian report.

That is referring to scold burns on other Burmese questioned they tried to get a confession out of

[englishoak]

Amnesty International Thailand must investigate police torture allegations in tourist murder probe

Thailand must ensure an independent and thorough investigation into mounting allegations of torture and other ill-treatment by police and respect fair trial rights during...............

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/thailand-must-investigate-police-torture-allegations-and-not-violate-rights-tourist-murder-prob

[traveller 2020]

David Millers Father knows his sons true character .

He knows what happened and what heroic honourable action his son did that ended up costing David's life !

Sean needs to man up and do the right thing !

Speak to the British authorities and he will earn himself some honour and peace of mind ! and some needed respect !

No need to hide anymore in jungles or bushes Sean , just tell the truth then theres no more reason to hide !

Ian Miller says it is clear his son was stepping in to help fellow victim Hannah Witheridge when they were attacked

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/thailand-deaths-father-of-murdered-student-david-miller-labels-son-a-hero-9747617.html?origin=internalSearch

[mrtoad]

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/thai-police-intent-to-reform-khemthong-tongsakulrungruang

[lausie]

Seems like UK media are really picking up on this now - great news!

Lets go at this with a double edge sword - media attention AND tourism purse strings....anyone know any media outlets / journalists in Australia / New Zealand / Canada / anywhere else key tourism comes from??

Get tweeting & emailing, it might make the difference!

[SteveFong]

Cmon Sean do the right thing you owe it to David , Hannah and their suffering families , The British legal system will protect your rights and you will be treated with fairness and all dignity , forget about yourself for a moment and PLEASE PLEASE think about pood david and Hannah Please give them back some dignity and honor and justice

Sean, if you can assist then the truth needs to come out for the sake of these two innocent people. If you're in it deeper than you wish you were blame it on Ya Ba, booze whatever but get it out. And if something is on your conscience then that may be eased a little by doing the right thing now.

it wouldn't surprise me if Sean is found lying in an alley with a needle in his arm one day.

if he is involved, he won't be able to live with himself

[intune53]

And from The Mirror-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thailand-beach-murders-burmese-suspect-4398149

"Burmese suspect 'beaten and threatened with electrocution before confession'

"A full inquest will be held in the UK on January 6."

And The Irish Times:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/murder-suspects-allege-thai-police-brutality-1.1955225

And ABC Australia:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-08/thai-police-chief-defends-murder-investigation-of-british-touri/5797406

And from EDP.The newspaper that is local to where Hannah came from in Norfolk, UK :

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/human_rights_bosses_fear_men_accused_of_murdering_hemsby_s_hannah_witheridge_may_have_been_tortured_1_3798237

Edited October 7, 2014 by intune53

[bigjules007]

Seems like UK media are really picking up on this now - great news!

Lets go at this with a double edge sword - media attention AND tourism purse strings....anyone know any media outlets / journalists in Australia / New Zealand / Canada / anywhere else key tourism comes from??

Get tweeting & emailing, it might make the difference!

Well done mate, lets get everyone on board, we have the mainstream medias attention now, keep the posts coming get the tweets and emails out tell everybody you know.

`I see the pro rtp crew are retreating into the shadows now, but no doubt they'll be back with there monotonous reteric tomorrow after some piece of propaganda is released by the RTP.

[traveller 2020]

Cmon Sean do the right thing you owe it to David , Hannah and their suffering families , The British legal system will protect your rights and you will be treated with fairness and all dignity , forget about yourself for a moment and PLEASE PLEASE think about pood david and Hannah Please give them back some dignity and honor and justice

Sean, if you can assist then the truth needs to come out for the sake of these two innocent people. If you're in it deeper than you wish you were blame it on Ya Ba, booze whatever but get it out. And if something is on your conscience then that may be eased a little by doing the right thing now.

it wouldn't surprise me if Sean is found lying in an alley with a needle in his arm one day.

if he is involved, he won't be able to live with himself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68VkE43-a34

Here he is with his guitar ??????

[geistfunke]

Keep 'em coming UK media:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783749/Were-Burmese-migrants-tortured-confessing-murder-British-tourists-Thailand-Police-chief-defends-arrests-duo-denies-admitted-crimes-duress.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

The Daily Mail is the most visited English-language newspaper website in the world.

"'I insist that all officials in this case have done a good job. A perfect job,' the national police chief told a news conference in Bangkok.

But a lawyer contracted by Myanmar's embassy in Thailand to defend the suspects said the case was a 'set-up and not based on hard facts', according to the Democratic Voice of Burma, an independent Myanmar news organisation based in Norway."

And from The Independent which leads with:

"Amnesty International is urging the Thai junta to conduct an independent investigation into allegations that two Burmese workers who “confessed” to the murders of two British backpackers did so under duress and torture."

"Richard Bennett, Amnesty International’s Asia-Pacific Programme Director, said: “The Thai authorities must initiate an independent, effective and transparent investigation into mounting allegations of torture and other ill-treatment by police."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/thailand-murders-amnesty-demands-inquiry-into-allegations-of-torture-of-suspects-9780876.html

YES!!!

www.dailymail.co.uk only avaible 1hour and 40 minutes, now the side is blocked in Thailand.

[SteveFong]

Have just heard some bar flies in Pattaya ( two of them a retired British coppers ) have just taken bets on Sean , apparently odds are not looking too good on his future long term lifespan . uhhh ? wonder what they suggest ? think they may know something ?????

A long time friend of mine, a 20 year ex pat believes the head man and others that have made Thailand look bad, will one day quietly disappear too

[Patsycat]

That Sean guy should be hunted down by interpol or somebody. Or they should get in touch with his family. Or was his little boy scared rant just due to coming off a high? Paranoia etc.

Perhaps one of you tweeting all the press should tweet some of the Scottish press too. Some friend he was, doubt he even sent a condolence card. Had his ten minutes of fame. Makes me sick to my stomach.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Patsycat

[lausie]

That Sean guy should be hunted down by interpol or somebody. Or they should get in touch with his family. Or was his little boy scared rant just due to coming off a high? Paranoia etc.

Perhaps one of you tweeting all the press should tweet some of the Scottish press too. Some friend he was, doubt he even sent a condolence card.

Sadly, when Sean first came forward, the Scottish press decided to report on his criminal record rather than investigate his claims, resulting in him receiving a barrage of abuse, subsequently closing his facebook and twitter accounts and going into hiding. It was a bad choice by the Daily Record as far as I'm concerned and they shoulder the blame for his continued silence.

[lausie]

I have, however, just emailed Sky News to see if they'lll run a story. Better to use some of the negativity for more constructive purposes.

[sabaitoo]

did this guy not appear on Seans Picture ?, profile says AC Resort https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003939306416

[gwenvo]

That's the head man

[JLCrab]

Yes JL Crab but if they expected us to believe that the killer of JFK made 8 perfectly symetrical 11/2 cm stab wounds with a 5 Kg Hoe I would have thought there was a conspiracy with JFK too!! JFK wasnt photographed handing over a telephone to police which turned up in a bush behind the dead peoples house. JFK's killer wasnt reported by a taxi driver for bribery and threats. This is NOT the same case - here things are obvious and the layers of cover up can each be seen.

Yes -- Plenty to keep the Koh Tao crime theorists busy for a long time regardless of the outcome.

[Patsycat]

Maybe people can take a step back from mentioning specific details about their deaths. David was buried last week and Hannah shall be buried this week. Perhaps a bit of decorum and thoughts for their families. Go on with your ins and outs about the police etc. but have some feelings. Please?

Edited October 7, 2014 by Patsycat