Koh Tao: British tourist murder suspects confess to human rights commissioner

[bertty]

They had two weeks to leave the island and didn't, why not?

It would seem suspicious and police were "discouraging" immigrants from leaving. There buddy getting caught leaving and subsequent interrogation appears to be what led police to these two.

JTJ One wonders if you might somehow be involved in the murder. You seem to have the answer to every question.

But the above is a rather strange answer... Since when does playing cane ball suggest they were trying to leave the island ?

[Thai at Heart]

Well a statement like that, anywhere else in the world would probably bring an instant mistrial.

Pure heresay

Hearsay only applies to testimony in court. Nowhere that I am aware would there be a mistrial because somebody freely is reporting to the press what the suspects freely told them. Not to mention this case is going to be heard in front of judges and not a novice public jury who could be influenced by media reports.

This is clearly heresay and for the media to print this is.clearly prejudicial irrespective of whether there is a jury or not.

[JOC]

Two Myanmar nationals confesses (after a little torture) to the Thai police, they repeat their confession to a Thai human rights commissioner, before the case goes to a Thai procecutor and finally the case ends in front of a Thai judge.

What can possibly go wrong in justice being served??

Well just about everything!!

[minikev]

You can't just state stuff as fact or facts being ignored because you believe them to be true.

I also have my own questions about this case and I don't think it's over yet.

You state as a fact that David has push dagger wounds when the pathologist states should they have been push dagger wounds there would have been marking to the bone below and there wasn't. I'm sure the pathologist is better qualified to make this statement and I'm sure he is aware that there will have been someone checking when David was sent home.

Really there are so many people on here twisting what is been said to suit their own idea of what happened. We only have the information supplied to us by the police and some from the media (which has not always been consistent)

One other point please leave the parents alone!! They are grieving.

How do YOU know there were no marks onthe bone - can you provide a link to corroners report and show proof that it was done fairly? How do you know there should be marks to the bone - people dont have bones under their jaw on this planet - maybe they do on yours!!

Wow! a full personal attack for stating the official pathologist stated these wounds were not the same as wounds from a blade. As I stated in my earlier post I'm sure his results will be scrutinized and I'm sure he is aware of that.

So it's OK for us to go along with catweazels theory which is taken from CSI la facebook but we should ignore the official pathologist as we were not present when he did his work.

I also saw the way Sean's wounds look very similar and jumped to the conclusion that perhaps from the same weapon. Look closer bruising around David's wounds is far more widespread which when you listen to the pathologist's report make sense as the skin splitting with a blunt instrument.

It's obvious the blade fits better with your own theory so believe what you will.

Please show link for pathology report showing no marks on the bones.

How does one hit someone one the jaw with a hoe with enough force to split the skin, but does not break the jaw?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/766270-police-clarify-koh-tao-victims-cellphone-planting/page-2#entry8495448

Here

[jomcondo]

Well the only thing I am now certain of is that one particular TV member has some serious issues.

we need to take him to a safe room at the thaivisa lounge and pour boiling water on his testicles.

[culicine]

The cigarette butts with their dna found on the beach is part of the strong evidence against them. Now these boys were both very drunk from beer and wine. Were are the bottles that these two drank from I wonder?

If you get drunk somewhere, do you usually carry with you the empty bottles wherever you go after that ?

The bottles should be right where they sat....but there is no evidence produced to show such bottles existed.

One thing is for sure, David was NOT killed by a hoe!

[jimbeam1]

Are you enjoying spamming excerpts that suit you JTJ ?

crack on

I notice that Freeman, Hardy and Willis also liked his post.

jb1

[heyexile]

Is it not a fact that the DNA samples were processed by the FBI ? If that is the case , all of the results would be retained on their data base .

To disprove the theory of a " set up " the Thai police could invite the FBI to substantiate the evidence and appease the world interest in this awful matter ,

It is a good opportunity for the Thai police to show their credibility and give sound assurances to the family and friends of the deceased plus the western world

tourists , that the whole case and trial have been carried out to the correct conclusion .

There should be no " losing face " for the Thai police in asking for assistance . It is a common event in the western world with the USA & UK sharing info along

with getting help from Interpol .and specialist forensic laboratories .

The FBI have had nothing to do with this case. Initial samples were processed in Singapore. They would have records. New swabs by independent investigators could clarify this. I just don't see the police allowing it, unless there is some court order making it possible. If the police are so sure of their case, why not allow more dna tests? This would surely appease most of the public - most Thais even think they are scapegoats! Not allowing it just shows they are hiding something.

Singapore DNA tests a myth?

The CHRONOLOGY again:

Police Forensics Lab BKK determines 2 (now 3) Asians involved.

FBI offers help with original material taken from the poor victims.

Police decline FBI help.

Police say they will send original material samples to mystery Singapore Lab for further tests to determine skin,hair,eye colour and height. Nothing further announced on that.

Check the police public announcements in date order.

What is name of mystery Singapore Lab??

If exists, why preferred to FBI?

Why no mention of this in Singapore press?

If any material was sent, when?

Recent TV interview, Thai head of Forensics talks about DNA of 3rd Suspect.

Where is 3rd suspect?

Why Myanmar consular officials denied their right of access to check well-being of 3rd Myanmar national held incommunicado in police custody? etc etc etc You know the rest. What could possibly be wrong.

[bangkoklasse]

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/07/koh-tao-murders-accused-men-recant-confessions-tell-embassy-lawyer-they-were-tortured

[Sviss Geez]

Lawyer Aung Myo Thant said the pair, Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun, both 21, from the Arakanese town of Kyaukphyu, told a Burmese embassy legal team they had murdered English tourists

Speaking to DVB on Monday, Kyaw Thaung, a representative of the Myanmar Association in Thailand, who attended the interview with the defendants, said, “We went to the prison [on Koh Samui] and were allowed to meet with the two freely. They confessed to committing the crime under the influence of alcohol.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murderers-were-tortured-says-burmese-embassy-lawyer-burma-myanmar/44781

JTJ.

If you got paid for Hijacking Threads .. you would make a fortune ...

Somewhat Pathetic my Cynical friend ................. Pray tell me .. if they get found NOT GUILTY .. will you apologise to everyone on tv ???

He has nothing to apologise for, and certainly has no need to apologise to ThaiVisa members, but having said that if they are proved guilty will you and the rest of the Anti-JTJ team apologise?

Edited October 8, 2014 by Sviss Geez

[hellyes2oo2]

jtj they say they hit david with the blunt end of the hoe. the police say they hit him with the sharp end of the hoe. the pathologist stated that davids DNA was not found on the hoe. so can you explain why the police accepted that the hoe was the weapon that killed david, Makes the confessions very dubious. BY the way I don't expect you to really answer me, because when you know you are wrong you spew out shit about conspiracy theorists.

[jimbeam1]

The petition is in the right direction, as is the CSI LA Fb page which he now says he will clean up and translate relative passages to English.

What would make a huge difference though would be, if Hannah and David's parents could bring themselves to petition the British government for an independent British investigation directly through their MPs.

Kirsty Jones' mother is an incredibly courageous soul who has never given up fighting for justice for her daughter who was raped murdered in Chiang Mai, most likely by a Thai policeman. She has managed to get Welsh police to fly out to Thailand to investigate more than once. Even though they have been repeatedly stone walled by Thai police, who have been given carte blanche by successive Thai governments to do whatever they feel like, she still hasn't given up. With this type attitude, one day someone will be successful in exposing police corruption in covering up rape and murder cases of British tourists. That will be a victory for all those who have died and not received justice and will make Thailand a safer place for all foreign tourists.

Personally I don't deny the possibility that the two suspects might be guilty. If so, they still deserve a fair trail based on credible investigation to remove all doubt of their guilt. Even if they are guilty, the investigation appears to have failed utterly to provide a credible account of what actually happened and leaves open a very possibility that the rape and murders were work of more than two men. That leaves a very highly possibility that at least one murderer, if not more, are still at large and might strike again.

What would make a huge difference though would be, if Hannah and David's parents could bring themselves to petition the British government for an independent British investigation directly through their MPs.

Absolutely I can not believe how quiet they are being. It is coming on for four weeks now.

But then we don't really know what they are going through, everyone handles things such as this differently.

I can only say if it was me I think I would be looking for answers to many questions.

jb1

[jacky54]

They drank beer and wine must of been well paid migrants as wine is very expensive in the Kingdom I still have my doubts about these two workers and where is the murder weapon that killed David and if my memory is correct there we're three separate DNAs but we only have two suspects.

They worked in a bar ! Don't you think wine woild have been easily available ? Besides they had a job, and a salary.

Are you accusing them of stealing as well? low paid jobs do not pay for wine. Every time I have offered wine to a Thai they never want it, Burmese might be different, but I doubt it.

They pay for rice wine, Sator, 35 baht a bottle in 7-11.

Tried it once had a whole bottle in about an hour no affect at all. If they were drinking all this beer and wine then why no bottles found? Or did they go and smash a couple of people to death, rape the woman then come back and clear up their drink evidence, while leaving the cig ends, where is the drink evidence with prints got to? Why no cctv evidence of them buying booze and none with them on the bike pic?

Edited October 8, 2014 by jacky54

[mango66]

This "Human Rights" person has absolutely no legal or professional standing at all.

It's a load of bullocks.

Thais reputation on " Human Rights " is one of the lowest worldwide;

And than we just wait a comment from a guy from this country !!

[hellyes2oo2]

svisgeez another jtj alter ego

[canuckamuck]

How do YOU know there were no marks onthe bone - can you provide a link to corroners report and show proof that it was done fairly? How do you know there should be marks to the bone - people dont have bones under their jaw on this planet - maybe they do on yours!!

Wow! a full personal attack for stating the official pathologist stated these wounds were not the same as wounds from a blade. As I stated in my earlier post I'm sure his results will be scrutinized and I'm sure he is aware of that.

So it's OK for us to go along with catweazels theory which is taken from CSI la facebook but we should ignore the official pathologist as we were not present when he did his work.

I also saw the way Sean's wounds look very similar and jumped to the conclusion that perhaps from the same weapon. Look closer bruising around David's wounds is far more widespread which when you listen to the pathologist's report make sense as the skin splitting with a blunt instrument.

It's obvious the blade fits better with your own theory so believe what you will.

Please show link for pathology report showing no marks on the bones.

How does one hit someone one the jaw with a hoe with enough force to split the skin, but does not break the jaw?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/766270-police-clarify-koh-tao-victims-cellphone-planting/page-2#entry8495448

Here

Well thank you, sort of. That is an interview in Thai and a bit over my language level, so I guess I really can't comment on the content.

I am amazed that the hoe didn't leave any marks on the bone, just identically shaped little holes arounf the head and neck. But of course we accept the report.

[xminator]

How about the thai police try the case in a british court? Against a british lawyer?

These guys face the death penalty. Any doubt in the world should be gone before that sentence is handed to them.

Right now I'm personally convinced they've been tortured, people paid to give false testimonies and evidence have been tampered with. There is just too much dirty smell about the whole investigation to be just lost in translation.

[love1012]

JTJ posting history is interesting, he appears to be an apologist for most things, a lot of similar posts in the thread below.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/759858-american-falls-to-his-death-from-5fl-of-bangkoks-nana-hotel/page-5

Lot of the same conspiracy theorist as in this thread overthere also.

Has it been proven yet that JTJ was wrong ?

Has it been proven that he was right? has it been proven the RTP are now beyond reproach? Apologists!!

[mango66]

Where is the Britisk Authority ? Ambassy, London, SY ?

seems ta be a an agreement done already;

Ambassador or any rep. didn't went for the press hearing !!

Seems Briton GVT is learning Thaineese !!

RIP for the victims,

dont tuch the Thai GVT;

[Grindting]

I think John has something against Burmese people, or at least has something to gain (vested interest in a business ok KT?) by promoting the thai authorities / thai police / thai tourism. I don't believe any educated westerner living in Thailand knowing what they know about the thai authorities could spout this kind of tripe. I'm literally gob smacked at some of the things coming out of his mouth

[kkup]

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I think John has something against Burmese people, or at least has something to gain (vested interest in a business ok KT?) by promoting the thai authorities / thai police / thai tourism. I don't believe any educated westerner living in Thailand knowing what they know about the thai authorities could spout this kind of tripe. I'm literally gob smacked at some of the things coming out of his mouth

I think the operative word is "educated" old mate John seems to be lacking in that department.

[JoeLing]

Yesterday a lawyer contracted by the Myanmar Embassy refuted the confessions

stating they were obtained under duress. I suppose, a lawyer would do that as he
has to work in the interest of his clients.

Today I read, Prinya Sirisarakan said the Burmese confessed to the NHRC of Thailand
they are guilty. Now I'm not quite sure what the National Human Rights Commision was
to investigate but I thought they were to investigate Human Rights violations. How
confessions were obtained and not if the accused confessed or not?

Is the NHRC an independent Commission?
Who selected the panel?
Who pays for their work?

I for once would trust more on statements of a UN appointed Human Rights Commision
than any controversial National Human Rights commision anywhere .

[JarekN]

All of this is a complete &lt;deleted&gt; joke... This is the biggest coverup ever! Thay can very easily prove otherswise! Allow for independed DNA testing by a thrid party so we all know once and for all, till that happens it is just more and more BS!

[Halion]

Oh well that proves it , case closed. !!

[bruceybonus]

I think John has something against Burmese people, or at least has something to gain (vested interest in a business ok KT?) by promoting the thai authorities / thai police / thai tourism. I don't believe any educated westerner living in Thailand knowing what they know about the thai authorities could spout this kind of tripe. I'm literally gob smacked at some of the things coming out of his mouth

Ive met these thai apologists before. They are virtually in raptures over anything/everybody in the kingdom, and physically/mentally believe that they are in utopia! Very very sad situation for grown men to let themselves get into.

Normally they are mummy's boys and friendless!

[The Deerhunter]

They drank beer and wine must of been well paid migrants as wine is very expensive in the Kingdom I still have my doubts about these two workers and where is the murder weapon that killed David and if my memory is correct there we're three separate DNAs but we only have two suspects.

They worked in a bar ! Don't you think wine woild have been easily available ? Besides they had a job, and a salary.

Are you accusing them of stealing as well? low paid jobs do not pay for wine. Every time I have offered wine to a Thai they never want it, Burmese might be different, but I doubt it.

Thai's call wine cooler SPY "Wine'" Same - same to them.

[JohnThailandJohn]

jtj they say they hit david with the blunt end of the hoe. the police say they hit him with the sharp end of the hoe. the pathologist stated that davids DNA was not found on the hoe. so can you explain why the police accepted that the hoe was the weapon that killed david, Makes the confessions very dubious. BY the way I don't expect you to really answer me, because when you know you are wrong you spew out shit about conspiracy theorists.

So you theorize the police told them to confess to using the wrong murder weapon or do you think it more likely the police have not provided the public with all details before the case is even gone to trial and some information out there isn't completely accurate?

Edited October 8, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[The Deerhunter]

I think John has something against Burmese people, or at least has something to gain (vested interest in a business ok KT?) by promoting the thai authorities / thai police / thai tourism. I don't believe any educated westerner living in Thailand knowing what they know about the thai authorities could spout this kind of tripe. I'm literally gob smacked at some of the things coming out of his mouth

According to a previous post he owns the bar it happened from. Not my opinion. Just noted from a previous post. If correct it is very important in this context. Can anyone confirm that JTJ is the bar owner on KT?

[JohnThailandJohn]

JTJ One wonders if you might somehow be involved in the murder. You seem to have the answer to every question.

LMAO

[jacky54]

They drank beer and wine must of been well paid migrants as wine is very expensive in the Kingdom I still have my doubts about these two workers and where is the murder weapon that killed David and if my memory is correct there we're three separate DNAs but we only have two suspects.

They worked in a bar ! Don't you think wine woild have been easily available ? Besides they had a job, and a salary.

Are you accusing them of stealing as well? low paid jobs do not pay for wine. Every time I have offered wine to a Thai they never want it, Burmese might be different, but I doubt it.

Thai's call wine cooler SPY "Wine'" Same - same to them.

Men don't drink that muck, and if they did where are the bottles, I assume the beach and bins were searched first thing?