Ensure 'fair probe' for suspects, says Thein Sein

[lannarebirth]

Thein Sein obviously telling Prayuth that they are being watched.

What Prayuth and his police chiefs have also forgotten is that their 'human rights' behaviour is also being scrutinised by the US with regards to mistreatment of migrants and their human rights, and now add Amnesty International to that list.

If they decide to carry on with this charade, then I think they will not escape punishment this time. They got off lucky a few months ago when they were downgraded to the lowest tier for human rights abuses yet managed to escape tangible sanctions. They were lucky to get away with a slap on the wrist.

I hope they get a hard kick up the arse next time...... The world is watching.... continue to be stupid, and you may well see CIVILISED countries marking Thailand down as an unsafe destination.

That would wipe that smarmy look off your face.

Thein Sein knows its a fit up.... Else he wouldn't have said what he said.

And when General Thein Sein, who doesn't give two shits about his own domestic peoples, let alone two impoverished emigres, comes to the conclusion that his good friend General Prayuth has conducted a "fair probe" should everyone then be satisfied that all is above board in this case? There's a reason these people leave Burma by the millions.

[Number 3]

I wonder what the UK Embassy is actually doing. The outrage expressed by people on the Internet has been helpful in putting focus Thai and Burmese leadership . The only thing missing are statements from the UK. Please correct me if I am wrong.

WAY TO GO MYANMAR !

Uk can learn a lot from your stance of strength and you will not be messed with quite as easily as you have been in the past. Anyone afraid to speak up from the FO when it is a military junta that seized power in a coup, regardless of the "show" they are giving you, is essentially a coward and You and Sean McAnna should stay hidden in the shadows of this affair so we don't have to clap eyes on either you until you can both step up. Good lord What will it take UK ?

The accused aren't UK citizens. Nothing they can do.

No. Only the victims in this are.

[MJP]

I wonder what the UK Embassy is actually doing. The outrage expressed by people on the Internet has been helpful in putting focus Thai and Burmese leadership . The only thing missing are statements from the UK. Please correct me if I am wrong.

WAY TO GO MYANMAR !

Uk can learn a lot from your stance of strength and you will not be messed with quite as easily as you have been in the past. Anyone afraid to speak up from the FO when it is a military junta that seized power in a coup, regardless of the "show" they are giving you, is essentially a coward and You and Sean McAnna should stay hidden in the shadows of this affair so we don't have to clap eyes on either you until you can both step up. Good lord What will it take UK ?

The accused aren't UK citizens. Nothing they can do.

No. Only the victims in this are.

Yes. But there's still not much they can do as the accused aren't.

[Rykbanlor]

As far as I can tell, with all the lavish thanks laid on Sean Mcanna's soundcloud page (instigated by CSI -LA, a weak point for them here I feel) he still hasn't done or said anything of worth. Maybe he is speaking and we won't find out about it for a while in whcih case I will apologise to him, but it seems unlikely so at the moment I view him contemptuosly as the little bitch he appears to be

[JLCrab]

It makes no difference if one is accused of a crime or a victim of a crime within the jurisdiction of another country. One's home country has no authority to investigate unless it is at the request of the country in which the crime occurred.

Edited October 11, 2014 by JLCrab

[Strangebrew]

Mr PM, I know you or your staff monitor this site daily. I ask you as a man of honor Which I know you are To invite The US embassy To lend the services of the FBI to investigate this murder including sending DNA sample in the US to best tested. This world show the world that changes in Thailand are for real and Would also show Thailand's willingness to do real reforms. Not to mention credibility To you yourself as being the spearhead of these changes. I know The FBI and US would be more than willing to offer this help if requested by you. I think too Thai people would gain Great respect for you doing this . This would be win win situation for you. It might also send clear message to Royal Thai Police and Mafia That you mean business and things here are changing. I also see tourism getting a boost by major leaps not to mention investments. It is after all for the good of your country which you love dearly. After all you did what you had to do for the good of the country.

[Fullstop]

Thailand's police chief Pol General Somyot Poompanmoung said yesterday: "I want to stress that police have investigated this case based on the law, examined evidence in line with international standards, and are fully accountable."

Pants on fire.

[Number 3]

I wonder what the UK Embassy is actually doing. The outrage expressed by people on the Internet has been helpful in putting focus Thai and Burmese leadership . The only thing missing are statements from the UK. Please correct me if I am wrong.

WAY TO GO MYANMAR !

Uk can learn a lot from your stance of strength and you will not be messed with quite as easily as you have been in the past. Anyone afraid to speak up from the FO when it is a military junta that seized power in a coup, regardless of the "show" they are giving you, is essentially a coward and You and Sean McAnna should stay hidden in the shadows of this affair so we don't have to clap eyes on either you until you can both step up. Good lord What will it take UK ?

The accused aren't UK citizens. Nothing they can do.

No. Only the victims in this are.

Yes. But there's still not much they can do as the accused aren't.

Myanmar has done nothing yet only made strong public declaration as we are reading now

Can we stop saying there's nothing the uk can do. I don't see any such statements by the British Government.

This will be considered a topic for discussion though if D and H trend enough

I m sure Myanmar hasn't requested 100 000 signatures to make a plain direct strong official statement.

[GAZZPA]

Thein Sein obviously telling Prayuth that they are being watched.

What Prayuth and his police chiefs have also forgotten is that there 'human rights' behaviour is also being scrutinised by the US with regards to mistreatment of migrants and their human rights, and now add Amnesty International to that list.

If they decide to carry on with this charade, then I think they will not escape punishment this time. They got off lucky a few months ago when they were downgraded to the lowest tier for human rights abuses yet managed to escape tangible sanctions. They were lucky to get away with a slap on the wrist.

I hope they get a hard kick up the arse next time...... The world is watching.... continue to be stupid, and you may well see CIVILISED countries marking Thailand down as an unsafe destination.

That would wipe that smarmy look off your face.

I believe the UK Government has a duty of care for British subjects and should revise Foreign Office travel guidance in light of the frequency British subjects have been victims of murder, "suicides", rape and other violent crime in Thailand over the past five years.

UK travel advice now updated "Western tourists including British nationals have been victims of vicious, unprovoked attacks by individuals and gangs in Koh Samui, Koh Phangan and Koh Tao (the Samui archipelago)."

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/thailand/safety-and-security

its not just this statement, it seems the UK is warning people of many things now in Thailand including travel and scams.

It is looking like a less desirable destination every day. Times are certainly changing for Thailand, it feels like we are heading to a crossroads. Either Thailand wakes up, grows up and makes real changes or its future as an International holiday destination and investment opportunity look bleak.

[catweazle]

This f#$$ed up murder investigation will haunt not only Koh Tao, but Thailand for a long time and hopefully is the tipping point... As the whole world is waking up now, slowly grasping the full extend and depth of Thailand's corrupt back bone, the times for arrogant self centered stances like this one will be over soon. I believe that stupid grin, suggesting "We don't care what you say or think anyway" will be wiped off his face and the faces of Thailand's corrupt to the core police force and the many other "oh I'm so proud of myself" officials soon. Thailand better watch out and get your act together, because with overfished waters, tourist islands where serial killers walk freely, marine national parks where fishermen are allowed whatever they want to do while small dive operators caring for nature are punished, machete wailing customer killing taxi drivers, kung mafia tuk tuk drivers, sand kicking beach touts, pocket picking masculine ladyboys or shall I better say crossdressers, mafia structures on most islands, a corrupt police force, a narcissistic anti foreigner attitude , anti foreigner nationalist rules and regulations, a 51% need to be Thai scam for any potential investor, a take but not give attitude, Thai tourguides who give a toss about their guests, Thai officials who give a toss about foreigners in need to get their paperwork in order, the steep decline in service, the steep decline in friendliness, the steep decline in quality, a non-extistant government, a junta dictatorship, poached national parks, national park land encroachment done by Thai/Chinese but blamed to the foreigners, supression of minorities, mistreatment of foreign inmates and crime suspects, torture during interrogations, and the list goes on and on.... with all this said - Thailand should hit the brakes and realise that it is not the only tourist destination in this world and that by now it definitely is not one of the top ten either. And to the ones who believe that tourism only stands for 7% GDP... keep in mind what other businesses are connected to this, such as transport, logistics, food, etc. and to how many percent GDP the funds might add up that are sent from the average Joe from western countries to their beloved "Noks", "Gungs", "Oys", "Joys", you name it who eventually send a part of that money to Isaan and other areas they call home... Don't be mistaken - if foreigners decide to avoid Thailand, a good portion of the land of smiles will go down the drain. The choice is yours!!!!!

Edited October 11, 2014 by catweazle

[JLCrab]

From a Post above: Can we stop saying there's nothing the uk can do. I don't see any such statements by the British Government

They say so right on the UK - Bangkok website:

What the FCO and British consulate can’t do

• offer legal advice, start legal proceedings or investigate a crime

[AGareth2]

the suspects are burmese

what can the FCO do under international law?

[crazykopite]

Fair Trial !!! These two migrants will be found dead in prison well before there trial has begun this in my humble opinion is a total stitch up whilst the real killers are free to run the island as they see fit !!

[dieseldave1951]

makes you wonder what they can do ???? and what they are there for apart from patronising foreign governments

Hello all... I'm helping out the guy who is running the petition (http://goo.gl/FD66Th) to get the UK gov to independently investigate David and Hannah's murders and I need a favour from you wonderful people... The numbers of signees are slowing down somewhat, but we need to keep going - if we reach 100k (currently just over 50k) we can ask for it to be discussed in Parliament.

Anyway trying it tap into new channels outside if what we are currently hitting, so we've just set up a Twitter account - if you have twitter can you pls follow us and give us a share/retweet? Many thanks... We are at: @ThailandJustice

Thank you

From the above: I'm helping out the guy who is running the petition to get the UK gov to independently investigate ...

From the UK Embassy -- Bangkok website:

What the FCO and British consulate can’t do

The FCO and British consulate won’t be able to:

• get someone out of prison or detention
• help someone get special treatment
• offer legal advice, start legal proceedings or investigate a crime

[madmitch]

Thein Sein obviously telling Prayuth that they are being watched.

What Prayuth and his police chiefs have also forgotten is that there 'human rights' behaviour is also being scrutinised by the US with regards to mistreatment of migrants and their human rights, and now add Amnesty International to that list.

If they decide to carry on with this charade, then I think they will not escape punishment this time. They got off lucky a few months ago when they were downgraded to the lowest tier for human rights abuses yet managed to escape tangible sanctions. They were lucky to get away with a slap on the wrist.

I hope they get a hard kick up the arse next time...... The world is watching.... continue to be stupid, and you may well see CIVILISED countries marking Thailand down as an unsafe destination.

That would wipe that smarmy look off your face.

I believe the UK Government has a duty of care for British subjects and should revise Foreign Office travel guidance in light of the frequency British subjects have been victims of murder, "suicides", rape and other violent crime in Thailand over the past five years.

UK travel advice now updated "Western tourists including British nationals have been victims of vicious, unprovoked attacks by individuals and gangs in Koh Samui, Koh Phangan and Koh Tao (the Samui archipelago)."

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/thailand/safety-and-security

That's old. I think that update followed the attack on Jack Cole and April Clifton.

Needs a bit more now.

This was on the safety and security page, the new warning, which also refers to the murders, is now on the main front page of the FCO/Thailand website. It wasn't in that high profile a position before.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/thailand

[thailandchilli]

Thein Sein obviously telling Prayuth that they are being watched.

What Prayuth and his police chiefs have also forgotten is that there 'human rights' behaviour is also being scrutinised by the US with regards to mistreatment of migrants and their human rights, and now add Amnesty International to that list.

If they decide to carry on with this charade, then I think they will not escape punishment this time. They got off lucky a few months ago when they were downgraded to the lowest tier for human rights abuses yet managed to escape tangible sanctions. They were lucky to get away with a slap on the wrist.

I hope they get a hard kick up the arse next time...... The world is watching.... continue to be stupid, and you may well see CIVILISED countries marking Thailand down as an unsafe destination.

That would wipe that smarmy look off your face.

I believe the UK Government has a duty of care for British subjects and should revise Foreign Office travel guidance in light of the frequency British subjects have been victims of murder, "suicides", rape and other violent crime in Thailand over the past five years.

UK travel advice now updated "Western tourists including British nationals have been victims of vicious, unprovoked attacks by individuals and gangs in Koh Samui, Koh Phangan and Koh Tao (the Samui archipelago)."

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/thailand/safety-and-security

That's old. I think that update followed the attack on Jack Cole and April Clifton.

Needs a bit more now.

Yes most of its old but they have just added the reference to Koh Tao, I have email alerts set up with the embassy that informs you whenever an update is issued

[macca3248]

I am still wondering how many different DNA samples were collected,or are these lost in the system to protect the guilty !

The island head honcho's son is or should be a suspect in my opinion.

[JLCrab]

Per Post #42 -- did you take a breath while writing that?

[ldnguy]

I wonder what the UK Embassy is actually doing. The outrage expressed by people on the Internet has been helpful in putting focus Thai and Burmese leadership . The only thing missing are statements from the UK. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The UK don't want to get involved otherwise others will point out the human rights abuses in the UK. There are plenty, but they either don't get reported or the people abused are foreigners, so the UK public, press and government don't care. People get locked up in the UK without charge, without trial. That is a fact and no-one cares. Some people that are locked up aren't even told what they are supposed to have done. That's the reality in the UK, so why should the government care what happens here. UK government couldn't give a toss of any UK citizens get murdered abroad.

Many on here talk about Thai people not liking Myanmar people, but it's the same in the UK. There are certain nationalities that many UK people don't like. If they get caught up in something, the people think they deserve it. No different to this situation.

Edited October 11, 2014 by ldnguy

[Estrada]

Alarm bells are already ringing since the police prediction that these two may commit suicide in prison.

[dieseldave1951]

i think the good general has become a toothless tiger

what a shame for Thailand succumbed to the pressures of the mafia gangs

love the smug contented grin on his face. Strutting around like a peacock thinking to himself who care about or what these stupid Burmese think. if we want to stich someone up on murder charges we will. He is so proud of the job his police have done and rewarded them for their corruption.

[LuckyLew]

Thein Sein obviously telling Prayuth that they are being watched.

What Prayuth and his police chiefs have also forgotten is that there 'human rights' behaviour is also being scrutinised by the US with regards to mistreatment of migrants and their human rights, and now add Amnesty International to that list.

If they decide to carry on with this charade, then I think they will not escape punishment this time. They got off lucky a few months ago when they were downgraded to the lowest tier for human rights abuses yet managed to escape tangible sanctions. They were lucky to get away with a slap on the wrist.

I hope they get a hard kick up the arse next time...... The world is watching.... continue to be stupid, and you may well see CIVILISED countries marking Thailand down as an unsafe destination.

That would wipe that smarmy look off your face.

I believe the UK Government has a duty of care for British subjects and should revise Foreign Office travel guidance in light of the frequency British subjects have been victims of murder, "suicides", rape and other violent crime in Thailand over the past five years.

Yes you are correct that they should, but the real question is .... why aren't they?

[mikiea]

no you cannot tell what is being thought by the grin on his face. you can tell he is not worried at all by anything. the fact is he should be. you thug your way into power....sooner or later you get thug-ed out of power. in the time in between i wish he would apply army logic & diciplice to the police on kt. it would truly buy him goodwill from all people. and he will need all the goodwill he can get in the future.

[ToddinChonburi]

WERE THE HELL IS THE BRITISH EMBASSY !!!!!!! They seem to be pretty silent about this, am I wrong please someone post something from the britsh press and what the Embassy is saying.

Two of there citizens have been killed and they seem to quiet.

[Pundi6446]

love the smug contented grin on his face. Strutting around like a peacock thinking to himself who care about or what these stupid Burmese think. if we want to stich someone up on murder charges we will. He is so proud of the job his police have done and rewarded them for their corruption.

Guess they never figured it would go this far, now they are screwing with ties from Burma, he thinks, oh well, we can tell these Burmese's bastards anything, Thais are a much superior race to everyone (the picture does convey that kind of look). This country will never get out of the cheating, corrupt, crap that is common law here now.

These poor guys are as good as dead, and probably from the already talked about suicide fears, done by the cops own hands, end problem, save the high season.

[carstenp]

Hello all... I'm helping out the guy who is running the petition (http://goo.gl/FD66Th) to get the UK gov to independently investigate David and Hannah's murders and I need a favour from you wonderful people... The numbers of signees are slowing down somewhat, but we need to keep going - if we reach 100k (currently just over 50k) we can ask for it to be discussed in Parliament.

Anyway trying it tap into new channels outside if what we are currently hitting, so we've just set up a Twitter account - if you have twitter can you pls follow us and give us a share/retweet? Many thanks... We are at: @ThailandJustice

Thank you

You are a good guy. Trying to help the family and want the justice. You experience about the falling signers is total normally.

When this first come to the news all was talking about it and it becomes breaking news, everybody will make a statement. Everybody want to have the justice, can't accept what there is going on and so on.

When times go days, weeks, months I will all be forgotten. The news don't have any interest in it anymore, and new news arrived and people jumps to them.

Later there will properly be a short news line about the trail

It will be forgotten and the longer time there goes it will fate out.

Tourist will arrived like normally and it will become a story for long time ago

There is a reason to why thailand calls Teflon Thailand.

Keep trying to do a good work, you need it to fulfilling you quest

I hope you will succeed

[uty6543]

I wonder what the UK Embassy is actually doing. The outrage expressed by people on the Internet has been helpful in putting focus Thai and Burmese leadership . The only thing missing are statements from the UK. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The UK don't want to get involved otherwise others will point out the human rights abuses in the UK. There are plenty, but they either don't get reported or the people abused are foreigners, so the UK public, press and government don't care. People get locked up in the UK without charge, without trial. That is a fact and no-one cares. Some people that are locked up aren't even told what they are supposed to have done. That's the reality in the UK, so why should the government care what happens here. UK government couldn't give a toss of any UK citizens get murdered abroad.

Many on here talk about Thai people not liking Myanmar people, but it's the same in the UK. There are certain nationalities that many UK people don't like. If they get caught up in something, the people think they deserve it. No different to this situation.

what human rights abuses are you talking about? And can you back up your claims that people get locked up without charge or trial because as far as I am aware that does not happen.

[rocketron57]

Hello all... I'm helping out the guy who is running the petition (http://goo.gl/FD66Th) to get the UK gov to independently investigate David and Hannah's murders and I need a favour from you wonderful people... The numbers of signees are slowing down somewhat, but we need to keep going - if we reach 100k (currently just over 50k) we can ask for it to be discussed in Parliament.

Anyway trying it tap into new channels outside if what we are currently hitting, so we've just set up a Twitter account - if you have twitter can you pls follow us and give us a share/retweet? Many thanks... We are at: @ThailandJustice

Thank you

Done. Good work keep the pressure on.

[Ve37]

love the smug contented grin on his face. Strutting around like a peacock thinking to himself who care about or what these stupid Burmese think. if we want to stich someone up on murder charges we will. He is so proud of the job his police have done and rewarded them for their corruption.

There is a huge difference between Bangkok Elite happy, and the happy of Northern Thai people.

"Before martial law was declared, Gen Prayuth told me Khun Suthep and your masses of PDRC supporters are too exhausted. Its now the duty of the army to take over the task, Mr Suthep said."

Edited October 11, 2014 by Ve37

[mikiea]

the uk does not want to point fingers like in the tv pics. their own record on rapes & crime in general is so-so at best. the uk lost so much credibility with the middle east people rapeing there young women in a multi year rape fest that the police knew about, but did nothing.yes the uk will keep mouth closed & pretend to not notice the dead couples family weeping. stiff upper lip, did i say that right?