UK MPs to vote on recognising Palestine as a state

[Lite Beer]

MPs to vote on recognising Palestine as a state

LONDON: -- MPs are to take part in an historic vote in Parliament that will call on the government to recognise Palestine as a state.

Labour backbencher Grahame Morris will present the motion on Monday as MPs return to the Commons.

The motion has the full backing of the Labour shadow cabinet, the BBC has been told.

The vote is symbolic and would not change government policy but could have international implications.

Current government policy, as set out by former foreign secretary William Hague, is that the UK "reserves the right to recognise a Palestinian state bilaterally at the moment of our choosing and when it can best help bring about peace".

Mr Morris's motion states that "this House believes that the government should recognise the state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel".

The BBC understands that a group of backbench MPs will attach an amendment to the motion on Monday.

The amendment is expected to add a clause with the words "as a contribution to securing a negotiated two-state solution".

Swedish move
The vote comes amid moves elsewhere in Europe to recognise Palestine officially.

Sweden's new centre-left government announced last week that it intends to officially recognise Palestine as a state, becoming the first European Union member state to do so.

It will join more than 100 other countries that have already recognised Palestinian statehood.

Read More: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29571958

-- BBC 2014-10-11

[mikehock]

How does this contribute to a two state solution...

Oh....a State in Gaza governed by Hamas and a State in West Bank governed by PLO.

Anyway...I'm sure this vote will make a huge difference to the current situation. NOT

[Asiantravel]

How does this contribute to a two state solution...

Oh....a State in Gaza governed by Hamas and a State in West Bank governed by PLO.

Anyway...I'm sure this vote will make a huge difference to the current situation. NOT

Probably not based on the utter disregard Israel has for international law

[SheungWan]

How does this contribute to a two state solution...

Oh....a State in Gaza governed by Hamas and a State in West Bank governed by PLO.

Anyway...I'm sure this vote will make a huge difference to the current situation. NOT

Probably not based on the utter disregard Israel has for international law

Yeah right, like Hamas are fine upstanding fellows in the legal department.

[Ulysses G.]

How does this contribute to a two state solution...

Oh....a State in Gaza governed by Hamas and a State in West Bank governed by PLO.

Anyway...I'm sure this vote will make a huge difference to the current situation. NOT

Like the article says: The vote is symbolic

The vote is a waste of time.

[Chicog]

How does this contribute to a two state solution...

Oh....a State in Gaza governed by Hamas and a State in West Bank governed by PLO.

Anyway...I'm sure this vote will make a huge difference to the current situation. NOT

Like the article says: The vote is symbolic

The vote is a waste of time.

Then why can one almost guarantee the blue suede shoes will be apoplectic with rage?

Oh sorry, I forgot I always need to spell it out for you.

The Israelis only want the Palestinians to get a recognised state when they've agreed to hand over everything but the kitchen sink.

So this undermines their blackmail attempts.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Chicog

[Ulysses G.]

I forgot how "informed" you are about the whole conflict.

The Israelis only want the Palestinians to get a recognized state when they live up to their pledge in the Oslo Accords - dealing with Israel directly - and stop the terrorist attacks. It is pretty simple really.

[Asiantravel]

Hamas are only labelled as “ terrorists “ because it is convenient for Israel for them to be regarded as such

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119064/b-yehoshua-israel-should-call-hamas-enemy-not-terrorists

[Ulysses G.]

Hamas are only labeled as terrorists because that is exactly what they are. They target innocent civilians for violence and use their own civilans for cover:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014

[Chicog]

I forgot how "informed" you are about the whole conflict.

The Israelis only want the Palestinians to get a recognized state when they live up to their pledge in the Oslo Accords - dealing with Israel directly - and stop the terrorist attacks. It is pretty simple really.

The Israelis want more land and less Palestinians. No matter what the Palestinians do, they will find a reason not to accept it.

And funnily enough I'm pretty sure you are smart enough to know that, even if you don't want to say so.

[Ulysses G.]

I'm smart enough to know that Israel has been trying to make peace since the Palestinian Arabs declared war on them in 1948 and the Palestinians have refused time after time and continued with violent jihad. Are you smart enough to know that the ones who started the violence in the first place, and have refused numerous peace deals over decades, deserve the lions share of the blame?

Edited October 11, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Asiantravel]

Hamas are only labeled as terrorists because that is exactly what they are. They target innocent civilians for violence and use their own civilans for cover:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014

" They target innocent civilians for violence "

oh please !

after all those images on our tv screens over weeks and weeks of the genocide carried out by Israel

[Ulysses G.]

Israel has the lowest civilian to combatant casualty ratio in history in the setting of combating terrorism. There are always civilian casualties in warfare and particularly when terrorists use them as human shields like Hamas does.

[kingalfred]

I'm smart enough to know that Israel has been trying to make peace since the Palestinian Arabs declared war on them in 1948 and the Palestinians have refused time after time and continued with violent jihad. Are you smart enough to know the ones who started the violence in the first place and have refused numerous peace deals deserve the lions share of the blame?

as ever the American Israel apologist doesnt want the simple recognition of Palestine as a state. The Uk I hope and believe will do so soon.And Screw the USA and it's view. Lets have more and more EU and Western countries stand up. Do we need to remind everyone of the recent number of civilian casualities in the west bank dead or wounded by Israel's bombs and rockets, TEN THOUSAND in 2 months. Edited October 11, 2014 by kingalfred

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies deleted. The thread is about the UK vote on recognition of Palestine.

[Chicog]

I'm smart enough to know that Israel has been trying to make peace since the Palestinian Arabs declared war on them in 1948 and the Palestinians have refused time after time and continued with violent jihad. Are you smart enough to know that the ones who started the violence in the first place, and have refused numerous peace deals over decades, deserve the lions share of the blame?

Well it's good that you at least admit they share some of the blame.

I'm not particularly defending terrorists, but both sides in this pitiful war are intransigent.

Personally I'd nuke Jerusalem and then see how much they want to fight over who gets it.

[johna]

Immediately following the attacks on Gaza, Israel annexed 400 hectares of Palestinian land in the West Bank.

That pretty much says it all, Israel wants peace on terms that would see all Palestinians dead and buried.

Calling Hamas a terrorist organisation, and a stumbling block to peace is hypocritical, Israel terrorist groups such as Irgun, Hagana, and the Stern Gang have more blood on their hands than any Palestinian group.

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

Good, hope that they vote for the recognization of Palestina as a state. Of course the usual Zionist lobby on this forum is against it which is hilarious as one of their arguments is that some Arabs do not want to recognize Israel as a state. Well, if you guys don't recognize Palestinia so how can you whyne about anybody not recognizing Israel???

[Ulysses G.]

I'm smart enough to know that Israel has been trying to make peace since the Palestinian Arabs declared war on them in 1948 and the Palestinians have refused time after time and continued with violent jihad. Are you smart enough to know the ones who started the violence in the first place and have refused numerous peace deals deserve the lions share of the blame?

as ever the American Israel apologist doesnt want the simple recognition of Palestine as a state.

Of course I do. As soon as the Palestinians sign a peace plan, recognize the Jewish state and honor their commitments under the Oslo Accords, they should get their own country. Recognizing Palestine as a state, before that time, means nothing according to the agreements that they already made, which is why this vote is merely symbolic.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

I'm smart enough to know that Israel has been trying to make peace since the Palestinian Arabs declared war on them in 1948 and the Palestinians have refused time after time and continued with violent jihad. Are you smart enough to know the ones who started the violence in the first place and have refused numerous peace deals deserve the lions share of the blame?

as ever the American Israel apologist doesnt want the simple recognition of Palestine as a state.

Of course I do. As soon as the Palestinians sign a peace plan, recognize the Jewish state and honor their commitments under the Oslo Accords, they should get their own country. Recognizing Palestine as a state, before that time, means nothing according to the agreements that they already made, which is why this vote is merely symbolic.

5555...as usual want to keep the last word, aren't you.....what about people not recognizing Israel because of their human rights violations record, their constant non respecting of international law and their total disinterest in a peaceful solution?... you would certainly agree that we in the meantime disrecognize Israel, aren't you...5555...

[Chicog]

This is how much Israel has respect for the Oslo accords:

Continued settlement expansion
The Oslo Accords did not stop the continued settlement expansion and blockades which caused the deterioration of economic conditions, and much frustration for Palestinians. In 20 years since the Oslo Accords, until 2013, the settler population is tripled. Most new settlers moved to settlements near the Green Line. The vast majority of the settlers who moved to isolated settlements more eastwards were ideologically motivated. After Oslo, the Israeli government took upon itself not to establish new settlements. Instead, however, some 100 outposts were established, encouraged and supported by the government.
The 2013 third Netanyahu government drastically enhanced new constructions in settlements, most without tenders and most in isolated settlements scattered over all of the West Bank. Additionally, the government published planning tenders for large-scale settlement construction in the area around East Jerusalem.

So really, the Oslo Accords and subsequent "negotiations" just bought the Israelis more time to shovel Palestinians off their land and steal it (see above).

There won't be any peace while that warmongerer Netanyahu is in charge.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Chicog

[rgs2001uk]

Israel, isnt that the country that was hanging British servicemen from lamposts?

The same country that had to intoduce an almost dead language no-one spoke due to the influx of returnees that couldnt speak English?

You really cant blame our Yank friends, look at the biased coverage of the news they get.

Example,

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/nbc-ayman-mohyeldin-pulled-gaza-palestinian-kids.html

Wouldnt want anything to upset the "mythmakers" and their sensitivities.

Talk about the re writing and air brushing of history, its happening right now.

[Asiantravel]

Israel, isnt that the country that was hanging British servicemen from lamposts?

The same country that had to intoduce an almost dead language no-one spoke due to the influx of returnees that couldnt speak English?

You really cant blame our Yank friends, look at the biased coverage of the news they get.

Example,

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/nbc-ayman-mohyeldin-pulled-gaza-palestinian-kids.html

Wouldnt want anything to upset the "mythmakers" and their sensitivities.

Talk about the re writing and air brushing of history, its happening right now.

how low can these people sink ?

[lumply]

Whatever the outcome of the vote, let us not take this as a valid reason to pour hard earned tax payers money (aid) into the state. The Palestinians want their own independence, no problem, let them support their own with their own resource, aggregate for construction(?)

[rgs2001uk]

Whatever the outcome of the vote, let us not take this as a valid reason to pour hard earned tax payers money (aid) into the state. The Palestinians want their own independence, no problem, let them support their own with their own resource, aggregate for construction(?)

Funnily enough, I have American friends who say the exact same about Israel, how much of the hard earned Uncle Sam tax payers money do they take in each year.

[Chicog]

Whatever the outcome of the vote, let us not take this as a valid reason to pour hard earned tax payers money (aid) into the state. The Palestinians want their own independence, no problem, let them support their own with their own resource, aggregate for construction(?)

Funnily enough, I have American friends who say the exact same about Israel, how much of the hard earned Uncle Sam tax payers money do they take in each year.

$3.1 Billion this year, $120 Billion since 1949.

[Jingthing]

If that's the decision of the U.K, so be it. I don't really see how that changes the conditions on the ground in Israel, West Bank, and Gaza though. I know this reflects a change in tactics ... to try to push the Palestinian statehood cause ignoring cooperation from Israel. Whether that works or not, eventually brings a lasting peace with two actual states or not ... I don't know.

From Israel's POV, Hamas still is quite clear in their goal to wipe out Israel and for Israel to not exist with statehood being seen as a stepping stone towards that genocidal goal.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Jingthing

[Asiantravel]

Whatever the outcome of the vote, let us not take this as a valid reason to pour hard earned tax payers money (aid) into the state. The Palestinians want their own independence, no problem, let them support their own with their own resource, aggregate for construction(?)

Funnily enough, I have American friends who say the exact same about Israel, how much of the hard earned Uncle Sam tax payers money do they take in each year.

$3.1 Billion this year, $120 Billion since 1949.

plus according to Congressman James Traficant, another $12-17 billion in indirect aid such as valuable military equipment deemed “scrapped,”

http://thebilzerianreport.com/how-much-does-israel-cost-the-average-american/

[JDGRUEN]

When a country is attacked by neighbors -- and pushes back and their land - that they claim - is taken - it is called the law of land warfare... been around for thousands of years ... Lesson to be learned -- Don't start a war with Israel - you will lose and lose what lands you hold... too bad - so sad...

[Don Aleman]

I am not a Jew but, if I were and, Thailand voted in Palestine's favor, Jewish investment money would cease coming to Thailand.