Ebola crisis: 'huge disruption' expected at Heathrow as screening begins

[Chicog]

Nowhere in West Africa qualifies as stable. As far as containers go, there is nothing from West Africa that is so desperately needed in either Europe or America that a three week quarantine at sea will not solve. By then, any ebola outbreak on board will have taken care of itself.

What about the other airports in Africa. Do you advocate blocking traffic from all of them?

And what about people flying to other hubs from Africa.

Do you advocate blocking traffic from all of them as well?

May as well just advocate blocking all international air passenger traffic into America.

Good luck with that.

I really don't understand your difficulty with this proposal. Almost every nation's (perhaps every nation's) citizens in Africa require a visa to enter the US. Perhaps the entry to the UK is more porous for Africans. If they don't have visa, however, it doesn't matter where they board an airplane, they are not allowed entry. If African countries refuse to follow proper visa procedures, then you do prohibit them from flying to the UK, the US, or anywhere else. Similarly, if they descend into widespread chaos, you don't allow their planes to fly into American, European, or Asian air space.

If you try isolating the three current "hot" countries, it will never work.

People will panic and flee into other countries, and probably onwards from there.

I'm guessing that infected Africans can infect white people. Oh hang on, they already have.

Better to do what they are doing now, throw resources at the infected areas and quash the outbreak.

This disease is not massively infectious, and it is not airborne like SARS, Swine Flu, etc.

But what you don't want is it spreading into neighbouring countries where they are not having resources thrown at them. Then you end up with multiple outbreaks.

And that snowballs.

My only complaint is that they did not throw resources at this sooner. Either they expected MSF, etc. and the nations affected to deal with it, or the whole thing was massively understated.

The incident at Logan sums it up. What happens when multiple planes arrive with multiple people from multiple flights showing flu symptoms? Close the airport? Flu season is upon us after all.

It might get quite ridiculous. Or nothing might happen and then, worse, it might get lax.

I believe the priority should be detection and treatment - there has been little to worry about so far outside the affected countries.

The other priority should be a vaccine if one is possible.

Save the Outbreak hysterics until it's all out of control and the President sees it "all over the White House lawn".

Edited October 14, 2014 by Chicog

[zydeco]

Nowhere in West Africa qualifies as stable. As far as containers go, there is nothing from West Africa that is so desperately needed in either Europe or America that a three week quarantine at sea will not solve. By then, any ebola outbreak on board will have taken care of itself.

What about the other airports in Africa. Do you advocate blocking traffic from all of them?

And what about people flying to other hubs from Africa.

Do you advocate blocking traffic from all of them as well?

May as well just advocate blocking all international air passenger traffic into America.

Good luck with that.

I really don't understand your difficulty with this proposal. Almost every nation's (perhaps every nation's) citizens in Africa require a visa to enter the US. Perhaps the entry to the UK is more porous for Africans. If they don't have visa, however, it doesn't matter where they board an airplane, they are not allowed entry. If African countries refuse to follow proper visa procedures, then you do prohibit them from flying to the UK, the US, or anywhere else. Similarly, if they descend into widespread chaos, you don't allow their planes to fly into American, European, or Asian air space.

If you try isolating the three current "hot" countries, it will never work.

People will panic and flee into other countries, and probably onwards from there.

I'm guessing that infected Africans can infect white people. Oh hang on, they already have.

Better to do what they are doing now, throw resources at the infected areas and quash the outbreak.

This disease is not massively infectious, and it is not airborne like SARS, Swine Flu, etc.

But what you don't want is it spreading into neighbouring countries where they are not having resources thrown at them. Then you end up with multiple outbreaks.

And that snowballs.

My only complaint is that they did not throw resources at this sooner. Either they expected MSF, etc. and the nations affected to deal with it, or the whole thing was massively understated.

The incident at Logan sums it up. What happens when multiple planes arrive with multiple people from multiple flights showing flu symptoms? Close the airport? Flu season is upon us after all.

It might get quite ridiculous. Or nothing might happen and then, worse, it might get lax.

I believe the priority should be detection and treatment - there has been little to worry about so far outside the affected countries.

The other priority should be a vaccine if one is possible.

Save the Outbreak hysterics until it's all out of control and the President sees it "all over the White House lawn".

Provide resources in the three ebola countries? Yes, absolutely. Spend until it hurts to get it under control. But quarantine as well. In fact, I believe the Liberian president has already enacted one, albeit the story today about Liberian medical workers going on strike for more pay tells me that country is on the road to disaster. The one thing I do think is that this so-called screening at Heathrow will achieve next to nothing except long lines and flight delays. And there is no real need for the airport to go through this, if visas and entries from ebola stricken countries are cancelled.

[Jonmarleesco]

It's an unfortunate side effect of casting your vote that you can rarely predict the degree of common sense that the successful party's MPs will bring to government; though you can predict it will severely disappoint.

Apart from being slow to react, Ebola having had weeks to reach British shores, the government now decides on screening while admitting that indirect routes will pose a problem.

What the government should have done, and should do, is to impose a total ban on visitors from those countries most at risk from the disease. Presumably the indirect routes are all legal, so ignoring the possibility of illegal entrants, all potential entry points should then be subject to tight supervision and controls, a process that might well involve less manpower than that required for avoidable screening.

[uptheos]

The questionnaire now devised in the UK is optional not mandatory.

If someone chooses not to hand it in they don't have to

Ridiculous!

[bkkcanuck8]

That report is based on people on the ground receiving emails from their employer ... at the risk of their job - they passed it on ... and as I said in writing - "we will know soon enough if it was accurate or not"... and that remains to be seen... Your reply is disingenuous (actually a distortion of what I wrote) as you insert your own terminology - typical of people of your type...

I went to the site you mentioned, I read their "news report" I read their update, I read their source document that they are referring to (the source of the rumours -- communication from their employer to the employees). No where in the "news" nor in the "update" do they actually correct any of the misinformation that was spread. The source document from that very website is what I quoted. Therefore the rumour has already been discredited. Now the employee might still become and have symptoms in the future, but we already know that it is INACCURATE.

[JDGRUEN]

Reference - The Headline Below: All the while - TVF members quibble about whether it is okay to subject incoming Heathrow arriving passengers to intense screening and perhaps isolation and quarantine ... but actually not even that... but whether or not it is a good thing to deny Visas to residents of Ebola ridden West African countries ... to enter the U.K.

The naivete of some posters here on TVF would be comical if it were not for the seriousness of the subject matter... and the subject matter is 'Death on an airplane headed to Heathrow'... but it will be ignored because some just cannot consider inconveniencing West Africans - denying Visas... The mentality of some here on this topic thread is ... 'WELCOME WAGON' to the Black Plague - Welcome to London - Welcome Mr. Ebola ... Have some tea sir?

What has happened below - can and will happen in the U.K. and in the U.S. and in the EU. if the namby pamby approach to dealing with Ebola continues ...

WHO: Ebola death rate rises to 70 percent

GENEVA (AP) — The death rate in the Ebola outbreak has risen to 70 percent and there could be up to 10,000 new cases a week in two months, the World Health Organization warned Tuesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/10-000-ebola-cases-per-week-could-seen-124410379.html

[JDGRUEN]

That report is based on people on the ground receiving emails from their employer ... at the risk of their job - they passed it on ... and as I said in writing - "we will know soon enough if it was accurate or not"... and that remains to be seen... Your reply is disingenuous (actually a distortion of what I wrote) as you insert your own terminology - typical of people of your type...

I went to the site you mentioned, I read their "news report" I read their update, I read their source document that they are referring to (the source of the rumours -- communication from their employer to the employees). No where in the "news" nor in the "update" do they actually correct any of the misinformation that was spread. The source document from that very website is what I quoted. Therefore the rumour has already been discredited. Now the employee might still become and have symptoms in the future, but we already know that it is INACCURATE.

As I plainly said - and as you keep ignoring and concealing in a fraudulent manner.. "We will see" as in my original post was stated and which you blatantly omitted ... Pedantic types such as you are short lived and bereft of credibility. Selective editing and deliberate omissions are the Hallmark of your type.

[JDGRUEN]

It's an unfortunate side effect of casting your vote that you can rarely predict the degree of common sense that the successful party's MPs will bring to government; though you can predict it will severely disappoint.

Apart from being slow to react, Ebola having had weeks to reach British shores, the government now decides on screening while admitting that indirect routes will pose a problem.

What the government should have done, and should do, is to impose a total ban on visitors from those countries most at risk from the disease. Presumably the indirect routes are all legal, so ignoring the possibility of illegal entrants, all potential entry points should then be subject to tight supervision and controls, a process that might well involve less manpower than that required for avoidable screening.

Isn't it amazing that Western Countries could learn how to handle incoming Visa Entrants from Thailand? What an irony ...

[zydeco]

It's an unfortunate side effect of casting your vote that you can rarely predict the degree of common sense that the successful party's MPs will bring to government; though you can predict it will severely disappoint.

Apart from being slow to react, Ebola having had weeks to reach British shores, the government now decides on screening while admitting that indirect routes will pose a problem.

What the government should have done, and should do, is to impose a total ban on visitors from those countries most at risk from the disease. Presumably the indirect routes are all legal, so ignoring the possibility of illegal entrants, all potential entry points should then be subject to tight supervision and controls, a process that might well involve less manpower than that required for avoidable screening.

Isn't it amazing that Western Countries could learn how to handle incoming Visa Entrants from Thailand? What an irony ...

And visa overstays as well! Unless the UK and US stiffen their resolve, either this disease or the next one is going to take them under. I've read of the Africans just on the other end of the chunnel waiting for the chance to win the British refugee lottery. And I wonder how many problems the UK has with visa overstays, which form the largest number of illegal aliens in the US. Stop the visas and much of this problem will disappear. No need for this silly waste of time at Heathrow.

[Chicog]

It's an unfortunate side effect of casting your vote that you can rarely predict the degree of common sense that the successful party's MPs will bring to government; though you can predict it will severely disappoint.

Apart from being slow to react, Ebola having had weeks to reach British shores, the government now decides on screening while admitting that indirect routes will pose a problem.

What the government should have done, and should do, is to impose a total ban on visitors from those countries most at risk from the disease. Presumably the indirect routes are all legal, so ignoring the possibility of illegal entrants, all potential entry points should then be subject to tight supervision and controls, a process that might well involve less manpower than that required for avoidable screening.

Isn't it amazing that Western Countries could learn how to handle incoming Visa Entrants from Thailand? What an irony ...

And visa overstays as well! Unless the UK and US stiffen their resolve, either this disease or the next one is going to take them under. I've read of the Africans just on the other end of the chunnel waiting for the chance to win the British refugee lottery. And I wonder how many problems the UK has with visa overstays, which form the largest number of illegal aliens in the US. Stop the visas and much of this problem will disappear. No need for this silly waste of time at Heathrow.

You said it yourself.

"Africans just on the other end of the chunnel".

So they'll infect French people.

Then you'll have to start stopping white European people coming in from France. And Greece. And Turkey. And Slovenia. And......

[tomyumchai]

well anyway, im not at all concerned with ebola entering the UK by xmas as ill be well out of there by then..........but im going through heathrow so id better get a hasmat suit for the weekend....

[JDGRUEN]

It's an unfortunate side effect of casting your vote that you can rarely predict the degree of common sense that the successful party's MPs will bring to government; though you can predict it will severely disappoint.

Apart from being slow to react, Ebola having had weeks to reach British shores, the government now decides on screening while admitting that indirect routes will pose a problem.

What the government should have done, and should do, is to impose a total ban on visitors from those countries most at risk from the disease. Presumably the indirect routes are all legal, so ignoring the possibility of illegal entrants, all potential entry points should then be subject to tight supervision and controls, a process that might well involve less manpower than that required for avoidable screening.

Isn't it amazing that Western Countries could learn how to handle incoming Visa Entrants from Thailand? What an irony ...

And visa overstays as well! Unless the UK and US stiffen their resolve, either this disease or the next one is going to take them under. I've read of the Africans just on the other end of the chunnel waiting for the chance to win the British refugee lottery. And I wonder how many problems the UK has with visa overstays, which form the largest number of illegal aliens in the US. Stop the visas and much of this problem will disappear. No need for this silly waste of time at Heathrow.

You said it yourself.

"Africans just on the other end of the chunnel".

So they'll infect French people.

Then you'll have to start stopping white European people coming in from France. And Greece. And Turkey. And Slovenia. And......

Passport travel histories -- when upon entry into a country and proceed through the immigration checkpoint - and it is shown that a person has traveled into an Ebola stricken West African Country -- that in itself is enough reason for the person to be taken aside - questioned about the details of their stay ... and if circumstances warrant -- that person is placed in isolation quarantine or given the opportunity to return to the county of the original flight... It is that simple as to how it should work to prevent transfer of Ebola infected people - regardless of how many bleeding hearts or sport argumentative types appear on this topic thread.

[humqdpf]

Please, Thailand, before it's too late, stop issuing visas or allowing Africans into Thailand until ebola burns itself out. The worst that can happen is that you'll inconvenience some Nigerian credit card scammers and drug runners.

Not to mention South African Tourists, Indian businessmen who live in Africa, Lebanese businessmen who live in Africa and all those business visitors from the African continent who either transit Bangkok or use it as a business hub. Also, not to mention all those wholesale customers of sticky rice and specialised car parts (Thailand exports a huge amount of these items to Africa).

[JDGRUEN]

Please, Thailand, before it's too late, stop issuing visas or allowing Africans into Thailand until ebola burns itself out. The worst that can happen is that you'll inconvenience some Nigerian credit card scammers and drug runners.

Not to mention South African Tourists, Indian businessmen who live in Africa, Lebanese businessmen who live in Africa and all those business visitors from the African continent who either transit Bangkok or use it as a business hub. Also, not to mention all those wholesale customers of sticky rice and specialised car parts (Thailand exports a huge amount of these items to Africa).

It is EASY... anyone -- entering Thailand, America, The U.K., the EU countries, Russia, China, etc., etc. ...have an understanding - that there is an extremely virulent disease in Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia... called Ebola... it is dangerous and deadly ... And if you have been in those Ebola Epidemic stricken countries - if you have spent time there... then you are subject to medical tests and according to your travel history and other factors - can be detained, questioned, isolated and perhaps kept in quarantined in isolation until it is determined that you are without Ebola infection.

[bkkcanuck8]

The questionnaire now devised in the UK is optional not mandatory.

If someone chooses not to hand it in they don't have to

Ridiculous!

It is a feel good measure - but it is not unusual.....

Sort of like "Did you pack this bag yourself" to which everyone just answers yes even if they did not.... although I did answer those questions no one time and the person asking was not even listening for my response, did not lookup and continued to the next question.

Relying on people being honest is really really silly, but then I think they probably know that. It is an attempt to look like they are doing something when they are not.

[Chicog]

Passport travel histories -- when upon entry into a country and proceed through the immigration checkpoint - and it is shown that a person has traveled into an Ebola stricken West African Country -- that in itself is enough reason for the person to be taken aside - questioned about the details of their stay ... and if circumstances warrant -- that person is placed in isolation quarantine or given the opportunity to return to the county of the original flight... It is that simple as to how it should work to prevent transfer of Ebola infected people - regardless of how many bleeding hearts or sport argumentative types appear on this topic thread.

So you stop every single traveller and go through every stamp in their passport.

Yeah, that shouldn't cause too much of a traffic jam.

I'm not sure you've thought this through.

[bkkcanuck8]

So you stop every single traveller and go through every stamp in their passport.

Yeah, that shouldn't cause too much of a traffic jam.

I'm not sure you've thought this through.

I am not sure one way or the other what percentage of people have a couple stamps, and which ones have a lot. I have 40 pages of stamps in my passport, some sort of overlapping others, many smudged at the time of stamping which would be hard to read. They are in no particular order since some countries (US being one of the worst) don't stamp the pages in sequence (something that irritates me). Someone looking at a passport would likely not be able to figure out whether I have been there or not (at least not without a good 15 - 20 minutes of working through the passport -- then having someone else double check if you wanted it done right. Most tourists will have only a few, but then I don't think that tourists are picking that country to vacation in right now. It might work, it might not.... but those with money and power and travel more than average on business are the ones that will be stuck in queue for 15 minutes.

Now moving forward, the US would probably be very happy if the UN could create an organization to receive entry/exit data for all countries and pass them back to the passport issuers..... but personally being a right-wing libertarian nut - I would not like it

[JDGRUEN]

Passport travel histories -- when upon entry into a country and proceed through the immigration checkpoint - and it is shown that a person has traveled into an Ebola stricken West African Country -- that in itself is enough reason for the person to be taken aside - questioned about the details of their stay ... and if circumstances warrant -- that person is placed in isolation quarantine or given the opportunity to return to the county of the original flight... It is that simple as to how it should work to prevent transfer of Ebola infected people - regardless of how many bleeding hearts or sport argumentative types appear on this topic thread.

So you stop every single traveller and go through every stamp in their passport.

Yeah, that shouldn't cause too much of a traffic jam.

I'm not sure you've thought this through.

No you provide directions for each class of passenger to go through various filtering lines to narrow down to the end point... But being that the consequences of failing could well be infection and death - and the spread of infection and death ... the passengers will just have to learn to deal with the circumstances

[Chicog]

No you provide directions for each class of passenger to go through various filtering lines to narrow down to the end point... But being that the consequences of failing could well be infection and death - and the spread of infection and death ... the passengers will just have to learn to deal with the circumstances

Ah yes, an "honour" system.

That'll work.

Edited October 14, 2014 by Chicog

[Maestro]

Removed some bickering posts and the replies to them. The two members concerned are kindly invited to stop the bickering. Reply to the topic, if you have anything useful to post; don't reply to a member who annoys you or whose post you don't like.

[JDGRUEN]

Nowhere in West Africa qualifies as stable. As far as containers go, there is nothing from West Africa that is so desperately needed in either Europe or America that a three week quarantine at sea will not solve. By then, any ebola outbreak on board will have taken care of itself.

What about the other airports in Africa. Do you advocate blocking traffic from all of them?

And what about people flying to other hubs from Africa.

Do you advocate blocking traffic from all of them as well?

May as well just advocate blocking all international air passenger traffic into America.

Good luck with that.

I really don't understand your difficulty with this proposal. Almost every nation's (perhaps every nation's) citizens in Africa require a visa to enter the US. Perhaps the entry to the UK is more porous for Africans. If they don't have visa, however, it doesn't matter where they board an airplane, they are not allowed entry. If African countries refuse to follow proper visa procedures, then you do prohibit them from flying to the UK, the US, or anywhere else. Similarly, if they descend into widespread chaos, you don't allow their planes to fly into American, European, or Asian air space.

If you try isolating the three current "hot" countries, it will never work.

People will panic and flee into other countries, and probably onwards from there.

I'm guessing that infected Africans can infect white people. Oh hang on, they already have.

Better to do what they are doing now, throw resources at the infected areas and quash the outbreak.

This disease is not massively infectious, and it is not airborne like SARS, Swine Flu, etc.

But what you don't want is it spreading into neighbouring countries where they are not having resources thrown at them. Then you end up with multiple outbreaks.

And that snowballs.

My only complaint is that they did not throw resources at this sooner. Either they expected MSF, etc. and the nations affected to deal with it, or the whole thing was massively understated.

The incident at Logan sums it up. What happens when multiple planes arrive with multiple people from multiple flights showing flu symptoms? Close the airport? Flu season is upon us after all.

It might get quite ridiculous. Or nothing might happen and then, worse, it might get lax.

I believe the priority should be detection and treatment - there has been little to worry about so far outside the affected countries.

The other priority should be a vaccine if one is possible.

Save the Outbreak hysterics until it's all out of control and the President sees it "all over the White House lawn".

So anyone who proposes denying visas as a sound solution to a significant part of the problem is an 'Outbreak Hysteric'... Wow!

[Asiantravel]

Nowhere in West Africa qualifies as stable. As far as containers go, there is nothing from West Africa that is so desperately needed in either Europe or America that a three week quarantine at sea will not solve. By then, any ebola outbreak on board will have taken care of itself.

What about the other airports in Africa. Do you advocate blocking traffic from all of them?

And what about people flying to other hubs from Africa.

Do you advocate blocking traffic from all of them as well?

May as well just advocate blocking all international air passenger traffic into America.

Good luck with that.

I really don't understand your difficulty with this proposal. Almost every nation's (perhaps every nation's) citizens in Africa require a visa to enter the US. Perhaps the entry to the UK is more porous for Africans. If they don't have visa, however, it doesn't matter where they board an airplane, they are not allowed entry. If African countries refuse to follow proper visa procedures, then you do prohibit them from flying to the UK, the US, or anywhere else. Similarly, if they descend into widespread chaos, you don't allow their planes to fly into American, European, or Asian air space.

If you try isolating the three current "hot" countries, it will never work.

People will panic and flee into other countries, and probably onwards from there.

I'm guessing that infected Africans can infect white people. Oh hang on, they already have.

Better to do what they are doing now, throw resources at the infected areas and quash the outbreak.

This disease is not massively infectious, and it is not airborne like SARS, Swine Flu, etc.

But what you don't want is it spreading into neighbouring countries where they are not having resources thrown at them. Then you end up with multiple outbreaks.

And that snowballs.

My only complaint is that they did not throw resources at this sooner. Either they expected MSF, etc. and the nations affected to deal with it, or the whole thing was massively understated.

The incident at Logan sums it up. What happens when multiple planes arrive with multiple people from multiple flights showing flu symptoms? Close the airport? Flu season is upon us after all.

It might get quite ridiculous. Or nothing might happen and then, worse, it might get lax.

I believe the priority should be detection and treatment - there has been little to worry about so far outside the affected countries.

The other priority should be a vaccine if one is possible.

Save the Outbreak hysterics until it's all out of control and the President sees it "all over the White House lawn".

" Save the Outbreak hysterics until it's all out of control and the President sees it "all over the White House lawn".

What is wrong with countries being proactive instead of reactive?

[F430murci]

Travellers on connecting flights from West Africa - where the disease has killed over 4,000 people in Liberia and Sierra Leone - said they were being given the option of being screened for symptoms of the virus rather than being obliged to undergo checks.

Sorius Samura, 51, a documentary maker who had spent 10 days in Liberia making a film on the crisis, said the British authorities did not appear to be taking the situation seriously enough.

He said: "I've just come back from via Brussels and our flight was met by an airport official saying we might be screened.

"He even shook our hands. That's something nobody does now in Liberia and infected countries, you have to learn not to."

Mr Samura said that when passengers on his flight eventually got to the immigration desks they were given the option of filling in a questionnaire and being screened, or simply going through.

He said: "Most of the people who had been on our flight from Liberia to Brussels didn't go into the screening room, they just seemed to go through to customs and presumably out of the airport.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11161648/Ebola-screening-Immigration-officers-shaking-hands-with-passengers-at-Heathrow.html

[zydeco]

Confusing. European countries will hold massive protests and pass emergency legislation against GMOs. But quarantining a deadly virus that currently kills 7 out of every 10 infected is "hysteria."

[Chicog]

So anyone who proposes denying visas as a sound solution to a significant part of the problem is an 'Outbreak Hysteric'... Wow!

It is not "a significant part of the problem".

*That* is hysteria for you.

[JDGRUEN]

The officials at the Heathrow Airport might want to take this into cosideration...

Medical Research Org CIDRAP: Ebola Transmittable by Air


The highly respected Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota just advised the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and World Health Organization (WHO) that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles,” including exhaled breath.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/14/CIDRAP-Confirms-Ebola-Transmittable-by-Air

[Chicog]

The officials at the Heathrow Airport might want to take this into cosideration...

Medical Research Org CIDRAP: Ebola Transmittable by Air

The highly respected Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota just advised the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and World Health Organization (WHO) that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles,” including exhaled breath.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/14/CIDRAP-Confirms-Ebola-Transmittable-by-Air

"Has the potential".

Which does not make it a primary (or even proven) infection vector. So more hysteria from someone looking for hits on his website.

However, if you are that concerned, I would consider stocking up on some of Alex Jones fine "survival foods" and water purifiers, and locking yourself in your house until everyone is dead.

[Credo]

Well, let's see.....it's spread by bodily fluids.....spit is a bodily fluid.

I almost got on the hysteria wagon, but let's see if it can get through a sneeze, into an industrial type air conditioning system and then make its way back out. Then I'll ride double on the hysteria wagon. In the meantime, I will settle for an abundance of caution.

[Scott]

An inflammatory post has been removed.

[Chicog]

Well, let's see.....it's spread by bodily fluids.....spit is a bodily fluid.

I almost got on the hysteria wagon, but let's see if it can get through a sneeze, into an industrial type air conditioning system and then make its way back out. Then I'll ride double on the hysteria wagon. In the meantime, I will settle for an abundance of caution.

That was a scene from the movie as well, funnily enough. I wonder if Outbreak and Contagion rentals have gone up?

As for an abundance of caution, I'm not sure there's even need for that level of concern for your personal safety yet. Crossing the road is a bigger threat.