Koh Tao murders: Father swears his son is innocent

[fabphil]

I have decided to give up posting about this, or any other thread on here, it's really tiring now and I am so tired of -

- The Aussie's with their immense chip on the shoulder berating the 'whinging poms' when someone even mentions the UK

- The arrogant supercilious posters who reply with a cocky or rude comeback

- The repeat posts by those not reading earlier questions

- Those taking themselves waaaaaay too seriously

- back and forth mind numbing arguments that clog up entire pages

- the generalisations.

- the repeat posts by those not reading earlier questions.

- the lack of respect for other cultures.

- the Belgians, every single one of them.

Have at it!

Looks like ur not reading what ur saying either uve repeated urself

[Rykbanlor]

I have decided to give up posting about this, or any other thread on here, it's really tiring now and I am so tired of -

- The Aussie's with their immense chip on the shoulder berating the 'whinging poms' when someone even mentions the UK

- The arrogant supercilious posters who reply with a cocky or rude comeback

- The repeat posts by those not reading earlier questions

- Those taking themselves waaaaaay too seriously

- back and forth mind numbing arguments that clog up entire pages

- the generalisations.

- the repeat posts by those not reading earlier questions.

- the lack of respect for other cultures.

- the Belgians, every single one of them.

Have at it!

Looks like ur not reading what ur saying either uve repeated urself

Gotta keep it light

edit: I like how you didn't jump up to defend the Belgians though hahaha

[bertty]

he photos are from CSI LA - chubby and a few friends disappeared the day after the murder and returned after the burmese patsies were tortured into confession by the RTP. As far as I know they were not tested since they weren't there... There also is a CCTV video out there wher you can see three footballers with yellow or light green shirts follow Hannah out of a bar and the way the behave clearly shows that they are following the girls, expecting some "action". I wish I could find that shot again...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thailand-beach-murders-final-cctv-4291808

The cctv shots here, of the footballers

edit: its so brief, you can't get a good look.

Dont get much of a look. But you do notice that swinging arm again.

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One dirty, rich family protecting it's son's murderous acts & in effect teaching their son that murder is ok is destroying a perfectly good & morally intact family.

and 'well connected, you missed out 'well connected' ...

And as to:

Cooperation is being sought with the NBTC for future coverage of the case that is balanced and free from the violation of personal rights and does not affect the feelings of the victim's relatives, he said.

Bit bloody late now, don't you think? And no, I haven't viewed any of the allegedly ghastly images of these two victims, as I would never watch a beheading clip. Who does that? Wouldn't want those images on my internal hard drive. People

[Rykbanlor]

he photos are from CSI LA - chubby and a few friends disappeared the day after the murder and returned after the burmese patsies were tortured into confession by the RTP. As far as I know they were not tested since they weren't there... There also is a CCTV video out there wher you can see three footballers with yellow or light green shirts follow Hannah out of a bar and the way the behave clearly shows that they are following the girls, expecting some "action". I wish I could find that shot again...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thailand-beach-murders-final-cctv-4291808

The cctv shots here, of the footballers

edit: its so brief, you can't get a good look.

Dont get much of a look. But you do notice that swinging arm again.

The swinging arm is Nomsod though, I don't think its been suggested he was with the footballers persay, just that they are friends.

[wilgoster]

This 'loving father' has zero credibility and is probably an accessory after the fact. If he is so sure his little didums is innocent, why not send off his DNA for testing in the UK? Then we will all believe it.

Your character assination notwithstanding, you can line up with those who say they did it, parallel to the line of those who doubt they did it, but everyone lined up to call for independent UK DNA tests. As long as the DNA evidence is valid and has not been compromised, everyone will have an answer. I'm curious, tho, from where was the DNA obtained?

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I have decided to give up posting about this, or any other thread on here, it's really tiring now and I am so tired of -

- The Aussie's with their immense chip on the shoulder berating the 'whinging poms' when someone even mentions the UK

- The arrogant supercilious posters who reply with a cocky or rude comeback

- The repeat posts by those not reading earlier questions

- Those taking themselves waaaaaay too seriously

- back and forth mind numbing arguments that clog up entire pages

- the generalisations.

- the repeat posts by those not reading earlier questions.

- the lack of respect for other cultures.

- the Belgians, every single one of them.

Have at it!

Two words - 'Ignore' and 'function'. Enhances my viewing experience. And helps get myself out of 'holidays' for flaming

[Rykbanlor]

This 'loving father' has zero credibility and is probably an accessory after the fact. If he is so sure his little didums is innocent, why not send off his DNA for testing in the UK? Then we will all believe it.

Your character assination notwithstanding, you can line up with those who say they did it, parallel to the line of those who doubt they did it, but everyone lined up to call for independent UK DNA tests. As long as the DNA evidence is valid and has not been compromised, everyone will have an answer. I'm curious, tho, from where was the DNA obtained?

Therein lies all the mystery and doubt.

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But the Thai PM DOES control the media.....absolutely.

Hmmm, dunno. BP's becoming very emboldened. For a change.

[BoristheBlade]

does anyone know if chubby is the guy who was hiding out in a Koh Samui cave?

[BoristheBlade]

The Bangkok Post is becoming very outspoken.....good sign

They are not letting go of the Koh Tao situation...good on them

But the Thai PM DOES control the media.....absolutely.

Hmmm, dunno. BP's becoming very emboldened. For a change.

[Graham8888]

Has anyone seen any suggestion anywhere that either of the two accused is some kind of martial arts expert capable (as the RTP claims) of single handedly killing a much bigger and stronger opponent without suffering any injury himself?

[Graham8888]

Has anyone seen any suggestion anywhere that either of the two accused is some kind of martial arts expert capable (as the RTP claims) of single handedly killing a much bigger and stronger opponent without suffering any injury himself?

What ?? Like in the movies !! Are you mental ? Even Bruce lee used to get injured ( not real though ?..) I hope you are joking with such a naive comment

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Someone should collect and put together and publish all these conflicting reports in a concise manner

Yes, the only incorruptible entity in Thailand - The Office Of The Attorney General. But. It would only reach that stage once the jackals have had their day and fckd everything up beyond reasonable doubt.

[Rykbanlor]

does anyone know if chubby is the guy who was hiding out in a Koh Samui cave?

Different guys. The cave guy is undoubtedly nothing to do with it.

Chubby was apparently one of the three footballers

[pendingo]

Another day another circus.

There are only two things the Thai authorities worry about and these are money and face.

The long game is being played here.

As far as RTP is concerned they've got their men.

All the evidence fits and witnesses will have seen them at the crime scene.

The two suspects will be found guilty, tried and summarily executed, end of story.

Game over.

If there is a different outcome I'll believe it when I see it.

My apologies if this seems a little harsh but this is the reality as far as I see it.

Meanwhile Mark Kent and David Cameron can relax in the knowledge that they have done a really great job and justice has been served.

It's a very sad summary, but may well be correct. I differ only in that I would not expect them to be executed, in order to show the Thai authorities in a merciful light.

Emilymat you are right about that but I was relating to how the RTP is looking at this.

I should have made myself clearer.

What I am really hoping for is that a mistrial will be called, RTP gets its butt kicked and heads will roll.

If PM Prayuth wants to achieve his goals there has never been a better opportunity than to break away from the old ways and clear out the dross from the RTP then institute better training and modern practices compliant with a 21st century police force.

Only then will he gain face with the rest of the world.

As for Mr Cameron and the effusive Mr Kent their time is short.

We want real men (or women for that matter) in charge not cowards hiding behind diplomacy.

[Carrerakiss]

The BBC Worldnews broadcast on the topic yesterday that one of the accused Burmese men told BBC that police forced confession in custody while standing on accused arms and jumping on his chest. I have not read of this report in any forum or news media source out of Thailand though.

Normally the BBC news is not the quickest source for information, but it is usually the most reliable. If they have reported this, then it's almost certain that it is what they were told and not just made up. Not really the sort of thing Thai media would be allowed to report though.

No the BBC isn't always reliable and often lets the bias of journalists be reported as fact. Plenty of research on that. They can also be inaccurate. The reported officers from 8 Scottish forces had gone to assist the English police forces in quelling the riots in many cities. Guess no one told them it's Police Scotland now not the old force structure. Just one example of how they often don't check the detail.

So do you think the BBC have access to the accused, speak the Burmese dialect that the accused speak and could discuss all this whilst the accused are in custody. The accused showed no marks from this or after affects at the reconstruction.

Someone's fantasy.

Well I guess you had better read your news sources and I'll keep checking with the BBC and a few other reputable news feeds who don't ALWAYS get every detail right, but who are generally reliable.

[Carrerakiss]

The Bangkok Post is becoming very outspoken.....good sign

They are not letting go of the Koh Tao situation...good on them

But the Thai PM DOES control the media.....absolutely.

Hmmm, dunno. BP's becoming very emboldened. For a change.

Yes it is and that is good. But I guess there will at some point be a line they will not be allowed to cross. But this case gives them the opportunity to push the envelope a bit, or more than a bit. If the General were to public ally muzzle them, it would pretty much confirm him in an authoritarian military dictatorship role, rather than the role people in Thailand are hoping for.

[BoristheBlade]

ok, thanks

does anyone know if chubby is the guy who was hiding out in a Koh Samui cave?

Different guys. The cave guy is undoubtedly nothing to do with it.

Chubby was apparently one of the three footballers

[BoristheBlade]

you mean he is not an authoritarian military dictator, rather than the role people in Thailand are hoping for?

The Bangkok Post is becoming very outspoken.....good sign

They are not letting go of the Koh Tao situation...good on them

But the Thai PM DOES control the media.....absolutely.

Hmmm, dunno. BP's becoming very emboldened. For a change.

Yes it is and that is good. But I guess there will at some point be a line they will not be allowed to cross. But this case gives them the opportunity to push the envelope a bit, or more than a bit. If the General were to public ally muzzle them, it would pretty much confirm him in an authoritarian military dictatorship role, rather than the role people in Thailand are hoping for.

[Carrerakiss]

Mark Kent ? who the <deleted> is he, oh the British Ambassador another soft <deleted> like D Cameron Mr yesterdays man both talk the talk but CANNOT walk the walk

Kent ? He's one of those heel lickers in Thailand ! He was the first to congratulate the highest police mafia officer after they "found the killers"

It wouldn't take you long. (If you were interested enough to do some research?) To find that Mark Kent denied saying that. Maybe that's part of the reason he's meeting with the media asking them to be careful about what they report as fact.

I think when all comes out you may have to write a very small sentence explaining that you were wrong and that he is doing all he can within his power.

Agreed. I am not quite sure why there is such acrimony towards the British PM and HE Mark Kent. The British government can't drop a nuclear bomb on Thailand just because they think something is wrong. Nor can HE Mark Kent go round shouting and banging his fist on the desk of every Thai government official he meets.

Both have expressed themselves in very strong language so far as diplomacy is involved. I personally I think they have made it clear to Thailand that they expect things to be done right.

What the Brits have done so far is not what concerns me. What concerns me is that they continue to apply an ever stronger response and never stop until the case is solved.

[max72]

Well there are hundreds of protesters marching to Downing Street today.

When people are protesting in the streets, then it shows the general feeling in the UK.

More fuel for the press.... I wonder how Prayuth would take it knowing that there are protests on the streets because of Thai police corruption, and probably military government corruption to boot.

How does he think that reflects on Thailand on the world stage??

Basically.... You have been found out. This time it is NOT going to go away.

Milan fully clogged of Thais coming from all Europe to protest too. Hundreds of italians joined them. I though italians didn't care about Thailand much, but it is amazing the number of people on the streets.

[jdinasia]

I hope those guys are the real killers because, at this time, Thai Police NEVER EVER will retract its decision. The case, real or "fixed", is CLOSE...but... doubts about.. never will go away.

I believe that is a lot more behind.

Why the bar owner brother and his son rejected to do the DNA test?

Innocent people will collaborate with any police investigation if asked to do so. Thai people are always very worry about gossips, and will try to avoid it in any way...The behavior of this people raise valid suspictions...

They may do the testings someday...but only after the case is "properly fixed".

Would it be so difficult for some authority to collect a DNA sample from Nomsod and his Uncle through a drinking glass or similar. Or does this happens only in the movies?

It only happens in movies. Anyone attempting that would end up in jail and a pauper.

[harleyclarkey]

Mark...Mark. O dear!

YOU are the ambassador. YOU have the higher status so no need to bump your head off the ground when greeting a mere member of the NBTC.

[harleyclarkey]

(The father)......Plus, the British man [he allegedly killed] is bigger than my son,"

Yes...but did he have a heavy hoe in his hand?.

Kinda takes away the height advantage.

[harleyclarkey]

One dirty, rich family protecting it's son's murderous acts & in effect teaching their son that murder is ok is destroying a perfectly good & morally intact family.

Scuba;

Are we on the same subject here...."it's son's murderous acts"?

Have they been convicted and we don't know about it yet?

"Dirty, rich family"......do I sense a far leftie here??

The family are from Myanmar....not Thailand so their influence is nothing like that of a "dirty rich" Thai family.

Me? I'll sit on the fence and wait awhile.

[citizen33]

HUH?

Hit by a massive blow to the head In a blitz attack and there is no fighting back.

I am open minded about this case, but that theory seems out of kilter with information in many press reports.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thailand-beach-murders-british-tourist-4273518

[freedom4life]

Check out the new post on facebook from the Thai Community!

There is a new suspect who is employee of AC bar Nomsot and his uncle and seen with the victims.

He is of interest because

1.this man was one of the footballers who went to party at the AC bar which is the same night Hannah and David got murdered.

2.he had left Ko Tao immediately and came back after the Burmese men were arrested.

2. Has stingray tail ring that can inflict and seems to match the wounds suffered by David Miller, and Hannah Witheridge .. Pictures on CSI LA

3.This ring is seen in pictures on his left side hand... the wounds are mostly on Davids right side and suggest a series of left hand punches.

4. this man is of a size and build that may be able to overpower David.

4. This man was accused of trying to rape Supannee Deighton two years ago and escaped him by jumping from a balcony.. you can read her story

and see wounds she suffered .

Burmese workers on the island are also starting to speak up and say they saw The headman's son on the island drinking till 12am with Sean the night of the murders..

Im not saying this person did it or if what others say is true but it is worth looking at and forming your own opinion.

The police should be investigating all these leads there is picture evidence and in some areas expert testimony.. If the police were not covering up for someone they would be questioning and investigating all these leads.

Looks like the citizens are doing there job for them..

Exactly, the Thai police are doing what they do..it's called corruption. There are proper suspect(s) but they are not touching them. Yes? We'll see about that. You (bleep) Thai police better start doing your jobs or there is going to be a massive problem and others in the chain as well. STOP COVERING-IT-UP FOR THE REAL MURDERERS YOU CORRUPT COWARDS!

[jamiesilver]

For anyone who wants a different angle on the whole Ko Tao Murder case i would strongly suggest they start to follow this facebook page:
https://th-th.facebook.com/CSILA90210

Also for any UK police getting involved this will certainly be a lot more transparent - Basically a Thai set this page up from the USA, frustrated with his countries lies and corruption.
It has a lot of interesting facts about the Ko Tao murder case that indicates who the killer really is, a lot of people have chipped in to help.

[Baerboxer]

The BBC Worldnews broadcast on the topic yesterday that one of the accused Burmese men told BBC that police forced confession in custody while standing on accused arms and jumping on his chest. I have not read of this report in any forum or news media source out of Thailand though.

Normally the BBC news is not the quickest source for information, but it is usually the most reliable. If they have reported this, then it's almost certain that it is what they were told and not just made up. Not really the sort of thing Thai media would be allowed to report though.

No the BBC isn't always reliable and often lets the bias of journalists be reported as fact. Plenty of research on that. They can also be inaccurate. The reported officers from 8 Scottish forces had gone to assist the English police forces in quelling the riots in many cities. Guess no one told them it's Police Scotland now not the old force structure. Just one example of how they often don't check the detail.

So do you think the BBC have access to the accused, speak the Burmese dialect that the accused speak and could discuss all this whilst the accused are in custody. The accused showed no marks from this or after affects at the reconstruction.

Someone's fantasy.

Well I guess you had better read your news sources and I'll keep checking with the BBC and a few other reputable news feeds who don't ALWAYS get every detail right, but who are generally reliable.

So which of your other reputable news feeds claim the BBC spoke with the two accused directly?