UK cops 'to only observe'

[BoristheBlade]

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the AC Bar when the British Police are having a quite drink in there

[JohnThailandJohn]

The only place that British police have jurisdiction is in Britain. They have no legal authority at all in Thailand.

Imagine the hoo haa if a Thai was murdered in the UK and the Thai government expected expected the UK to surrender all legal authority to a couple of visiting members of the RTP.

But you're wrong, if a foreign national is murdered in the UK the police from that persons country would be welcomed by the British police to help. Just as when a UK national is murdered in the USA then UK police attend and help in the investigation in the USA.

Only if a country has something to hide, or too much pride do they decline help from another police force. Especially one that does things slightly more ethical.

Not sure where you are getting your info but it is wrong. A country would never even make the request to be involved at best they would make the other country know they are willing to lend assistance if requested.

[Wan123]

But really, no scapegoats in American assassination of President Kennedy, no phoney investigation by American top Warren Commission because we are democracy with two party system and checks and balances etc etc etc

[Baerboxer]

With the language differences it will be tough for the Britcops to get to the truth....unless of course the Britcops picked to come speak and read Thai!

the British police will have fluent Thai and Burmese detectives or assistants with them. they are world-class police. they would not neglect this,

and for all the people doubting, the British police are already here, just like the police from other countries are here. they are always here observing the criminals from their own countries, looking for fraudsters, pedos, drug dealers and so forth committing International crimes. i wouldn't be surprised if one of them is already sitting at cafes, etc. waiting for Nomsod to leave a cigarette butt, or snag his drinking glass, etc. and collect some DNA. the British, Americans, Aussies, Germans, Dutch, Russians, etc. all have field ops in places in the world (like Thailand) where illegal activities occur. they keep a very low profile. there was an article one time about 2 or 3 years ago on how many American DEA agents, specialists in nabbing pedophiles, etc. are stationed in Chiang Mai alone...

as to the jurisdiction....well as others said, this is Thailand. but the British police can expose a cover up.

The world according to Hollywood. Total reality............. not.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Of course, if it is confirmed that the Myanmar suspects in custody are truly guilty there will be a lot of embarrassment.

Embarrassment for whom?

Think he is referring to the very vocal conspiracy theorists but sadly he is wrong because they simply will never believe these two are guilty no matter what occurs.

[VINCENT2012]

UK cops 'to only observe'

to observe what ....after 1 mounth...where everybody tuch this and tuch that......what a whist of time and money from the tax payer.

now the soup is done and ready to eat...like it is done... the thai way, thats it! ......and from now it will be only..... bla bla bla for the audience to keep them cool.

Edited October 25, 2014 by Rimmer
Please do not post in non standard fonts or all caps thank you

[useronthenet]

With nothing to hide, the RTP could lean back and let the Brits do their own investigation, couldn't they ??

That would put an end to all speculations and would help to restore the RTP's face as well.

But by preventing a transparent investgation, with all the background of corruption, no one in or outside the kingdom will feel that justice has been served.

Really ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798182/at-2-000-corrupt-police-officers-suspected-tipping-criminals-stealing-fabricating-evidence-using-power-money-sex-says-home-office-report.html (perhaps blocked in Thailand)

Corruption is everywhere around us, including the UK police !!!

[JohnThailandJohn]

So what point are you trying to make.

Apart from the fact that there is something like FIVE times the population in USA in comparison to UK, 100,000 signatures is the magic figure to at least get heard in Parliament.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that had it not been for these 100,000 signatures and the social media reporting on this case, then Cameron would have been under zero pressure to do anything. As it is, his hand has been forced. So you can say what you want, but the petition DID make a difference.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/769508-uk-cops-to-only-observe/page-5#entry8553699

Doesnt answer my question.

Either you are too thick to get it, else you are purposefully posting cr@p in order to derail the thread. Probably a bit of both.

The point is the British Police will now arrive and 'observe'.

Better that than just allow the Thai police to get this case to court without any transparency.

It may make no difference, but at least the screw is being turned and I believe that there will be an awful lot of people on Koh Tao who are literally sh!tting bricks at the minute.

You asked me the point I was making in my post -- the link I provided where it is explained and actually states .. "The point being ..."

If you can't grasp the point "I" was making when it is explained clearly and also say you don't believe it answers your question of "So what point are you trying to make." <sic> then I don't think it is me who is being thick.

Edited October 19, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[bongoz]

The only place that British police have jurisdiction is in Britain. They have no legal authority at all in Thailand.

Imagine the hoo haa if a Thai was murdered in the UK and the Thai government expected expected the UK to surrender all legal authority to a couple of visiting members of the RTP.

That has never been in dispute. However, there is a substantial difference between "observing" and being given access to the RTP investigation and being supplied with answers. There are many instances whereby a foreign police service has worked in co-operation and assistance with the host police e.g. (UK) McCann in Spain, (AUS) Indonesian atrocities in East Timor, etc etc.

Should a Thai national suffer a similar fate in the UK one can be assured that the British police would have solved the case by now, supplied the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) with a brief of evidence and NOT be hasty to carry out a trial by media as is the case in Thailand. It is aso worth noting that in most western countries the Forensic Services are independent of the police.

Sorry you are just wrong with your claims...

So according to you there are no unsolved cases in the UK?

And all cases are solved in a matter of weeks?

I would counter claim than MOST forensic services are actually part of the police an integral part - not some outsourced contract.

Lastly the UK media - Probably as corrupt as Thailand...

[docshock13]

Thai police are very dangerous. One example where a Saudi businessman went to Thailand to investigate the theft of a diamond from a Saudi prince. He was murdered.Lt Gen Chalor of the RTP was sentenced to death in 2009, which was reduced to 50 years later. Guess what he is now a free man. 6 policemen were jailed for murder too. Being a senior policeman in Thailand is akin to being a mafia boss in other countries. They cannot get there by being a nice, law-abiding citizen.

Yep. And who appointed the current top cop and why did he hand-pick him. This appointed Police Commissioner General is personally in charge of the KT `perfect investigation`.

Saudi King: We sent investigators to Thailand.

DC: Were they able to apprehend the perpetrators?

Saudi King: One of our cousins was killed, and so were 3 of our diplomats.

***Disclaimer: this is a rough translation of a satirical Thai piece.

Edited October 19, 2014 by docshock13

[ttthailand]

I just wonder, is this Mon guy going to be arrested for threatening to kill Sean ? Isn't that a crime ? Should that not be investigated ?

Just because a murder is committed do you let other smaller crimes go unanswered ?

Edited October 19, 2014 by ttthailand

[paddyjenkins]

The UK cops will only be able to observe first hand just how incompetent, lazy, corrupt and plain stupid the local police really are...I'm sure they will have some stories to tell once they get back home.

[bongoz]

I think with the 100,000 signatures on a petition in England, Cameron actually INVOLVED and the REQUEST for the English police to be involved...hmmm... I do not think this one is going to be brushed aside so fast even with THAINESS and a smile.

Same number of people signed a petition in the US to Obama to have Justin Bieber deported.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/deport-justin-bieber_n_5176202.html

same same - but different!

[ravip]

The only place that British police have jurisdiction is in Britain. They have no legal authority at all in Thailand.

Imagine the hoo haa if a Thai was murdered in the UK and the Thai government expected expected the UK to surrender all legal authority to a couple of visiting members of the RTP.

Will never happen because the British police are doing a decent job, they are not known for using scapegoats and biased investigations

To be honest, good and bad today is something in the 'grey' area. Just think what the good guys are doing and what the bad guys have done.

There's proof in abundance, if you care to see.

[paddyjenkins]

I just wonder, is this Mon guy going to be arrested for threatening to kill Sean ? Is that bit a crime ? Should that not be investigated ?

Just because a murder is committed do you let other smaller crimes go in answered ?

No, it seems like one of the strange facets of Thai law is that death threats against foreigners by Thais is perfectly legal. Actual assault and murder seems like a grey zone though, just depends...it's usually ok if it's a thai or group of thais, unless there is a lot of global attention, in which case it becomes superficially illegal and worthy of the appearance of an investigation. If abroad of course, a thai can expect the full protection of foreign law in any situation.

[recycled]

There is only one way to get real justice, an eye for an eye.

[carmine]

Of course, if it is confirmed that the Myanmar suspects in custody are truly guilty there will be a lot of embarrassment.

IF

I don't by any means this this is a big "IF" --- almost certainly these admitted rapist murderers will be pleading guilty.

You are funny John! You keep posting your "stuff" and don't be put off by anyone. I await your every post with anticipation.

[bongoz]

Are the english cops able to speak and read Thai?

A 7000 page file in Thai and translated into English.

I wonder !

OH!! I thought it was a 2 million page file!!!

Get your facts right - been quoted between 700 and 850 pages. And as Thais have issues articulating themselves I'm sure there is a picture of two in there...

[mdmayes]

I would think the visiting cops will want to interview the accused. Once they are told that torture was used the roten smell will be hard to ignored.

The smell will get unbearable when the visiting cops are denied access to the DNA evidence.

[bongoz]

Same number of people signed a petition in the US to Obama to have Justin Bieber deported.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/deport-justin-bieber_n_5176202.html

1. United States of America is Not The United Kingdom (google those countries and add the words "Global Map)

2. Sensible people know these petitions are taken on merit.

Probably should add the UK is not Thailand too as well as the UK have absolutely no authority or say-so what-so-ever over criminal cases or evidence collected in Thailand.

Point being a petition is meaningless if what the petition is requesting is nonsense based or not really legally actionable.

Come on dude. You must be trolling, which is despicable given the seriousness of what's happening here.

Everybody knows who committed this crime.

Everybody knows why there is a coverup and scapegoats.

Why do people let their common sense 'fly out the window' on emotive issues.

"Everybody knows who committed this crime."

"Everybody knows why there is a coverup and scapegoats. [sic]"

Why don't you just round up a lynch mob and go and hunt them down and dish out some true justice then?

Do you really believe what you posted?

[heyexile]

"Families of murder victims invited (by prosecutors) to secure death sentences for suspects despite concerns they have been framed"

http://twitter.com/Atomicalandy

[BoristheBlade]

You and your RTP colleagues beat the living daylights out of these two guys, that's why they pleaded guilty, and if they recant there lives are in serious danger.

Of course, if it is confirmed that the Myanmar suspects in custody are truly guilty there will be a lot of embarrassment.

IF

I don't by any means think this is a big "IF" --- almost certainly these admitted rapist murderers will be pleading guilty.

[Darbar]

Probably a case of the Thai PM promising too much in Italy, and now watering down the offer when safely back in Thailand.

If that is the case.. He needs to be called out by the UK.

[JohnThailandJohn]

The families of Thailand murder victims Hannah Witheridge and David Miller have been invited to help secure death sentences for the suspects ....
Justice officials said the grieving parents can team up with prosecutors to file joint murder charges against two Burmese migrant workers ....
The quirk of Thai law means murder victims families can hire lawyers and investigators who could turn up additional evidence or testimony.
However, such cases are rare because of the hefty costs.
The offer was made by the prosecutor in charge of the case.....


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798695/families-thai-murder-victims-invited-secure-death-sentences-suspects-despite-concerns-ve-framed.html#ixzz3GZ73UP00

Edited October 19, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[theoldgit]

Flame removed.

[bongoz]

"Details of the agreement were yet to be worked out, but would involve "close coordination" between Thai authorities and the British Embassy in Bangkok, Col. Weerachon Sukondhapatipak, the deputy spokesman of Thailand's Army, said."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-18/british-police-to-join-thai-investigation-into-tourist-murders/5824552

[mrtoad]

The families of Thailand murder victims Hannah Witheridge and David Miller have been invited to help secure death sentences for the suspects ....

Justice officials said the grieving parents can team up with prosecutors to file joint murder charges against two Burmese migrant workers ....

The quirk of Thai law means murder victims families can hire lawyers and investigators who could turn up additional evidence or testimony.

However, such cases are rare because of the hefty costs.

The offer was made by the prosecutor in charge of the case.....

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798695/families-thai-murder-victims-invited-secure-death-sentences-suspects-despite-concerns-ve-framed.html#ixzz3GZ73UP00

How repulsive.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Of course, if it is confirmed that the Myanmar suspects in custody are truly guilty there will be a lot of embarrassment.

IF

I don't by any means think this is a big "IF" --- almost certainly these admitted rapist murderers will be pleading guilty.

You and your RTP colleagues beat the living daylights out of these two guys, that's why they pleaded guilty, and if they recant there lives are in serious danger.

Beat the matching DNA right out of them and doctored videos and witness statements putting them near the crime scene at the time of the crime and planted the phone at their home and forced them to again confess to their own embassy officials they did the crime ...

Edit: and of course got the doctors who examined them before and after interrogation in on the conspiracy and had their doppelgangers do the crime scene reenactments days later so nobody could see they were beaten.

Edited October 19, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[bongoz]

The families of Thailand murder victims Hannah Witheridge and David Miller have been invited to help secure death sentences for the suspects ....

Justice officials said the grieving parents can team up with prosecutors to file joint murder charges against two Burmese migrant workers ....

The quirk of Thai law means murder victims families can hire lawyers and investigators who could turn up additional evidence or testimony.

However, such cases are rare because of the hefty costs.

The offer was made by the prosecutor in charge of the case.....

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798695/families-thai-murder-victims-invited-secure-death-sentences-suspects-despite-concerns-ve-framed.html#ixzz3GZ73UP00

But surely that is a two way street, can't the families also introduce evidence to the contrary of what the police have submitted?

[BoristheBlade]

Don't you think the Witheridge family has had enough heartache and pain, a family totally destroyed and now the Thai authorities stick the knife in even further by asking them to take the lives of two innocent men.

No wonder the British Prime Minister got involved personally.

Thailand has put itself on the corurse of isolation ala North Korea.

The families of Thailand murder victims Hannah Witheridge and David Miller have been invited to help secure death sentences for the suspects ....
Justice officials said the grieving parents can team up with prosecutors to file joint murder charges against two Burmese migrant workers ....
The quirk of Thai law means murder victims families can hire lawyers and investigators who could turn up additional evidence or testimony.
However, such cases are rare because of the hefty costs.
The offer was made by the prosecutor in charge of the case.....


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798695/families-thai-murder-victims-invited-secure-death-sentences-suspects-despite-concerns-ve-framed.html#ixzz3GZ73UP00