Manchester City

[Chicog]

And this one clause was put in FFP precisely to stop Arab Sheikhs using their heavily subsidised state airlines to try and meet FFP requirements. It's just a back door to them using even more of the money they are stealing from their people.

5) Are owners allowed to inject money into their club as they like or through sponsorship?

If a club's owner injects money into the club through a sponsorship deal with a company to which he is related, then UEFA's competent bodies will investigate and, if necessary, adapt the calculations of the break-even result for the sponsorship revenues to the level which is appropriate ('fair value') according to market prices.

[lanng khao]

You know guys, I am amazed....really.

City are now a midges away from winning the title and now all of a sudden the posts are coming through about City and FFP. Only a matter of time before its City have bought the title and blah blah blah.

I expected it from chiccy as he seems to have a hard on about this and is probably embarassed about the amount of money his team has wasted on the waster Ozil.

But you Liverpool boys!!!!

I am surprised.... thought you had a bit more class than that.

why? it's a simple undeniable fact.

though if we're talking about class shall we discuss city fans singing about steven gerrard last night? you know, that lad who they'll all be cheering to the rooftops in brasil next month?

Yeh like Liverpool fans would never sing about an English player playing for another team...........Rooney? Gary Neville? Theres 2 off the top of my head.

Difference is, the City fans WILL cheer on Gerard as what they were singing was football banter. And I would say deep down most City supporters, certainly the ones I know, think Gerard is a magnificent player. Its not about hate.

is that the same with Liverpool fans re Rooney and Neville??

liverpool fans don't support england.

that's coz half of them arnt from England.

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[P45Mustang]

With respect chicog, need to cool it a bit.

Throwing City and Chelski out with the bathwater is not the solution.

Arsenal's position is unquestionably good.

HOWEVER, in order to WIN the CL they are gonna have to start following the others. Bayern, RM, Barca, PSG, Chelski, City.

Ethically wrong, maybe. That is the reality of big business football.

Liverpool will only win the CL if they spend money, however fkcing brilliant Rodgers is.

Fact.

( Sick and tired of the media phrase 'Abramovich play thing' btw.)

[Chicog]

With respect chicog, need to cool it a bit.

Throwing City and Chelski out with the bathwater is not the solution.

Arsenal's position is unquestionably good.

HOWEVER, in order to WIN the CL they are gonna have to start following the others. Bayern, RM, Barca, PSG, Chelski, City.

Ethically wrong, maybe. That is the reality of big business football.

Liverpool will only win the CL if they spend money, however fkcing brilliant Rodgers is.

Fact.

( Sick and tired of the media phrase 'Abramovich play thing' btw.)

And you just seem to be permanently illiterate.

Read the rules regarding FFP.

What UEFA essentially said was all clubs must balance the books and not make losses, or they'd be excluded from European competitions.

Chelski, Manchester Dhabi, Monaco, PSG, Madrid and Barcelona are constantly subsidised and it isn't right.

More to the point it forces other clubs to overspend to keep up with them.

And that isn't right either.

[P45Mustang]

You wan to win the EPL and the CL without UEFA penalties?

Ask Abramovich and Mourinho how to do it.

[mrbojangles]

Read the rules regarding FFP.

What UEFA essentially said was all clubs must balance the books and not make losses, or they'd be excluded from European competitions.

Chelski, Manchester Dhabi, Monaco, PSG, Madrid and Barcelona are constantly subsidised and it isn't right.

More to the point it forces other clubs to overspend to keep up with them.

And that isn't right either.

I made a post the other day in response to yours but you decided not to respond. Arsenal have been big spenders in the past but that was ok was it?

Admit it Chiccy. You are scared to death of losing your place at the top table and now other clubs who are spending big money, basically playing catch up, you are crying foul and all of a sudden FFP is great.

As for me saying it has "only just been introduced" I was obviously referring to this being the first year the clubs had to report and suffer any consequences. But I expect you already knew that and purely wished to be pedantic.

[mrbojangles]

You wan to win the EPL and the CL without UEFA penalties?

Ask Abramovich and Mourinho how to do it.

In fairness, that's because your huge spending was several years ago and you have had longer to get your house in order. If this had come in about 3 years ago you'd have been in the same boat.

[P45Mustang]

You wan to win the EPL and the CL without UEFA penalties?

Ask Abramovich and Mourinho how to do it.

In fairness, that's because your huge spending was several years ago and you have had longer to get your house in order. If this had come in about 3 years ago you'd have been in the same boat.

Exactly right mrbojangles. No argument.

Now we have to operate successfully in the current environment.

[smokie36]

Think I need some of those false nails sticking on tomorrow

Half a bottle of Riyadh rum and slaughter a pig for breakfast an you'll be fine mrboj!

[mjj]

FFP is a load of crock that keeps everyone in their place.

What is football? A sport? A business? A bit of both?

Businesses like investment. Sports are about winning.

Actually P45 wrote something about a transfer cap that I liked. This could even it out, but for those teams that didn't spend the full amount the balance should be carried over. So over time they could accrue a massive potential budget. Like this to a maximum of a teams total transfer cost and Bobs your uncle, a more even spread. This would also give teams more of an incentive to develop young players.

I love the thought of someone coming in and buying Crawley Town FC (no idea why I chose that club) and making them epl contenders.

[P45Mustang]

BTW. Abramovich started implementing FFP compliance around 2010.

Buy young players, loan em out. Wait for the return.

Barca got their knickers in a twist with UEFA doing dodgy stuff with young Internationals.

You may not like Abramovich, but he's not a fool.

Nor is Mourinho.

Edited May 10, 2014 by P45Mustang

[jellydog]

Read the rules regarding FFP.

What UEFA essentially said was all clubs must balance the books and not make losses, or they'd be excluded from European competitions.

Chelski, Manchester Dhabi, Monaco, PSG, Madrid and Barcelona are constantly subsidised and it isn't right.

More to the point it forces other clubs to overspend to keep up with them.

And that isn't right either.

I made a post the other day in response to yours but you decided not to respond. Arsenal have been big spenders in the past but that was ok was it?

Admit it Chiccy. You are scared to death of losing your place at the top table and now other clubs who are spending big money, basically playing catch up, you are crying foul and all of a sudden FFP is great.

As for me saying it has "only just been introduced" I was obviously referring to this being the first year the clubs had to report and suffer any consequences. But I expect you already knew that and purely wished to be pedantic.

Chicog would be a lot more pleasant if Wenger would actually spend some money. He splurged on Ozil only because he was forced to after the Villa debacle. I have a lot of respect for Wenger but he can be a self righteous prig at times. Let's see if ups the ante a bit this summer or remains satisfied with squeaking fourth again. The funny thing about Wenger is that with the squad he has he really doesn't have to break the bank to have a very legit chance to finish top. But somehow he wants to do it without compromising his reputation as "fiscally responsible". He's succeeded in creating a little self fulfilling prophecy for Arsenal. Live a little Arsene. Make Chicog happy.

[P45Mustang]

I'll have Arsene at Khmer Rovers anyday.

But we are going to need some fcking wonga if we want to win the Asia-Pacific League.

It is not rocket science.

Brazil to win the World Cup.

[Chicog]

Read the rules regarding FFP.

What UEFA essentially said was all clubs must balance the books and not make losses, or they'd be excluded from European competitions.

Chelski, Manchester Dhabi, Monaco, PSG, Madrid and Barcelona are constantly subsidised and it isn't right.

More to the point it forces other clubs to overspend to keep up with them.

And that isn't right either.

I made a post the other day in response to yours but you decided not to respond. Arsenal have been big spenders in the past but that was ok was it?

Admit it Chiccy. You are scared to death of losing your place at the top table and now other clubs who are spending big money, basically playing catch up, you are crying foul and all of a sudden FFP is great.

As for me saying it has "only just been introduced" I was obviously referring to this being the first year the clubs had to report and suffer any consequences. But I expect you already knew that and purely wished to be pedantic.

Arsenal are spending money they've earned, and they haven't lost 150 million pounds by spending it on two squads.

And no, financially we can compete with any club now on a level playing field.

But we are doing it with our own money, not some Arab playboy's.

As for your last point, if that was what you were referring to, maybe that's what you should have said. You and P45 seem to have reading comprehension problems.

However, this is not about Arsenal. It's about Financial Fair Play and what little point there is having it if it's not going to be enforced.

Personally I think it's a good thing.

Obviously, you don't.

And if you think I'd feel differently if we had a billionaire wanting to take over the club think again.

We've got one, and no-one likes him for exactly the reasons I've described.

[P45Mustang]

Co-op can't compete with Hypermarket chicog.

I like your socialist principles matey, but you can't apply them to big business football. It's commerce.

Russian and Arab wealth needs to be divorced from this debate.

Liverpool and United appear to have US wealth.

I don't know where Arsenal's money comes from, sounds like it grows on trees.

Way back, before mrbojangles was born , a football manager said to a professional player, you have to do a good job today cos the blokes paying money to see you bust their @rse all week in a factory.

Sunderland fans enjoy watching their team as much as City fans.

The big problem nowadays is the shareholders are not the guys in the stands. Football is owned by non-football people.

Some go and watch the games ( Abramovich, Henry, Sheikh Mansour ): some just check their newspaper to see how their shares are doing.

In the stands we are all equal. That's the beauty of it.

Enjoy. Hackney Marshes, White Hart Lane, NouCamp, Maracana.

[Chicog]

Russian and Arab wealth needs to be divorced from this debate.

You are a bit clueless, aren't you?

How can you divorce the stolen Riyals and Roubles from the FFP debate, when that's exactly why it exists?

[P45Mustang]

You are scoring political points using FFP as a vehicle to do so chicog.

FFP is to do with Glazer, Henry, etc as well as all the other rich owners.

How and where they got their wealth is NOT the subject of FFP.

Your issues with what you call stolen wealth is off topic.

Spoiling City and Chelsea fans enjoyment is maliciously negative.

'You only win cos you've got shed loads of money....and btw the money was stolen in the first place'

Have a nice final day of the EPL.

[Chicog]

Chicog would be a lot more pleasant if Wenger would actually spend some money. He splurged on Ozil only because he was forced to after the Villa debacle. I have a lot of respect for Wenger but he can be a self righteous prig at times. Let's see if ups the ante a bit this summer or remains satisfied with squeaking fourth again. The funny thing about Wenger is that with the squad he has he really doesn't have to break the bank to have a very legit chance to finish top. But somehow he wants to do it without compromising his reputation as "fiscally responsible". He's succeeded in creating a little self fulfilling prophecy for Arsenal. Live a little Arsene. Make Chicog happy.

He would have bought Ozil anyway, players of that calibre don't grow on trees.

But I think he knows he has to buy at least one striker and a DM.

However his comments about everything happening after the World Cup are a bit off putting for some Gooners.

Mind you, we all know how that can pan out if you don't do your homework properly.

Just ask the Mickey Mousers about Senegalese players....

[Chicog]

You are scoring political points using FFP as a vehicle to do so chicog.

FFP is to do with Glazer, Henry, etc as well as all the other rich owners.

How and where they got their wealth is NOT the subject of FFP.

Your issues with what you call stolen wealth is off topic.

Spoiling City and Chelsea fans enjoyment is maliciously negative.

'You only win cos you've got shed loads of money....and btw the money was stolen in the first place'

Have a nice final day of the EPL.

Neither the Glasers nor Henry have breached the FFP rules, so stop talking rubbish.

And stop pouting you big jessie.

Spoiling your enjoyment, you glory hunter, your manager has done that for you.

[P45Mustang]

You are scoring political points using FFP as a vehicle to do so chicog.

FFP is to do with Glazer, Henry, etc as well as all the other rich owners.

How and where they got their wealth is NOT the subject of FFP.

Your issues with what you call stolen wealth is off topic.

Spoiling City and Chelsea fans enjoyment is maliciously negative.

'You only win cos you've got shed loads of money....and btw the money was stolen in the first place'

Have a nice final day of the EPL.

Neither the Glasers nor Henry have breached the FFP rules, so stop talking rubbish.

And stop pouting you big jessie.

Spoiling your enjoyment, you glory hunter, your manager has done that for you.

Nor has Abramovich.

Mourinho has NOT spoiled my enjoyment btw.

You do though.

Tactical masterclasses against the top 4 home and away, and a memorable swipe at the FA after the Sunderland game.

6 nil against the Arsenal was pretty boring though.

[Chicog]

Mourinho has NOT spoiled my enjoyment btw.

You do though.

Great news.

[mjj]

Russian and Arab wealth needs to be divorced from this debate.

You are a bit clueless, aren't you?

How can you divorce the stolen Riyals and Roubles from the FFP debate, when that's exactly why it exists?

Do you have an approximate date when you started looking at football as a social conscience and business model as opposed to a sport?

[jellydog]

Chicog would be a lot more pleasant if Wenger would actually spend some money. He splurged on Ozil only because he was forced to after the Villa debacle. I have a lot of respect for Wenger but he can be a self righteous prig at times. Let's see if ups the ante a bit this summer or remains satisfied with squeaking fourth again. The funny thing about Wenger is that with the squad he has he really doesn't have to break the bank to have a very legit chance to finish top. But somehow he wants to do it without compromising his reputation as "fiscally responsible". He's succeeded in creating a little self fulfilling prophecy for Arsenal. Live a little Arsene. Make Chicog happy.

He would have bought Ozil anyway, players of that calibre don't grow on trees.

But I think he knows he has to buy at least one striker and a DM.

However his comments about everything happening after the World Cup are a bit off putting for some Gooners.

Mind you, we all know how that can pan out if you don't do your homework properly.

Just ask the Mickey Mousers about Senegalese players....

I don't know about that Ozil buy. If Wenger was planning that one all along he definitely left it to the last minute. Not to say that he might not have had an eye on Ozil for awhile. He must have. I think unless pushed by Villa and the irate fans spewing Bud out their nose, Wenger would have procrastinated on that one. Seems he has a tough time pulling the trigger, for better or worse.

A pacey DM for sure. A dire need that one, and a striker who can get behind the defense and has a bit more shake and bake than Walcott ? Or a traditional 9 as a one on one replacement for Giroud ?

[P45Mustang]

Russian and Arab wealth needs to be divorced from this debate.

You are a bit clueless, aren't you?

How can you divorce the stolen Riyals and Roubles from the FFP debate, when that's exactly why it exists?

Do you have an approximate date when you started looking at football as a social conscience and business model as opposed to a sport?

Around about the same time as he started wearing Bridget Jones knickers would be my guess sport.

Think I'll have a Castlemaine 4X now.

[Chicog]

I don't know about that Ozil buy. If Wenger was planning that one all along he definitely left it to the last minute. Not to say that he might not have had an eye on Ozil for awhile. He must have. I think unless pushed by Villa and the irate fans spewing Bud out their nose, Wenger would have procrastinated on that one. Seems he has a tough time pulling the trigger, for better or worse.

A pacey DM for sure. A dire need that one, and a striker who can get behind the defense and has a bit more shake and bake than Walcott ? Or a traditional 9 as a one on one replacement for Giroud ?

Wenger pulled a master stroke getting Ozil, he became available quite late, and PSG actually made a better offer. But Wenger speaks fluent German, and convinced him to sign for us.

And breaking the transfer record by a mile shows he means business. But he HAS to buy a marquee front man in my view.

I've never seen Walcott as a striker, even though he says that's where he wants to play. More of wing man or Inside Right if he's honest with himself. Sanogo has talent but he'll need time.

Bendtner at least will be gone. Podolski is probably a striker in a 4-4-2, but looks better playing inside left (but not out wide).

No, we need a striker who can create goals or just tap them in. The obvious names are few and far between, Costa isn't out of our price range, unless the riyals and roubles come flying in. I don't know if Cavani is as unhappy as he's made out to be. I'm not sure if phone number bids for Suarez are the answer. Remy would be worthwhile as one of four strikers, and would fit into the Arsenal style. Higuain is probably overpriced and overpaid thanks to generosity of the Arabs.

But Wenger will be a the world cup and he's brought decent players back before from there.

As for midfielders, DM is a less-reported position, so no knowing who is on the radar.

The press keep talking about Diego who is out of contract, right up Wenger's street I fancy but he's more of a playmaker.

Giroud won't be going, he's proved he can do a job in the premiership, but you can't play the same person up front in a 4-5-1 every game. If there was a vet near him he would have been put down in February, he was so knackered.

Wenger says he doesn't need to strengthen the squad too much and claims adding too many players can affect the stability of the team. Probably true for a few months, but not the whole season, if they are decent enough.

But what he's GOT to do is take a long hard look at what is causing so many players to get long term injuries instead of knocks. No point spending wads on galacticos if they are going to spend 6 months on the treatment table.

[Chicog]

Russian and Arab wealth needs to be divorced from this debate.

You are a bit clueless, aren't you?

How can you divorce the stolen Riyals and Roubles from the FFP debate, when that's exactly why it exists?

Do you have an approximate date when you started looking at football as a social conscience and business model as opposed to a sport?

I've always had a social conscience; irrespective of football, the likes of Mourinho and Usmanov and the Shaikhs should be stripped of their finances and the money returned to the country's sovereign wealth.

Don't you agree, or do you choose to ignore it because it suits you?

Edited May 11, 2014 by Chicog

[P45Mustang]

What colour are they sourpuss

And what's the waist size.

[Chicog]

What colour are they sourpuss

And what's the waist size.

Looks like the retard's hit the chang again.

[P45Mustang]

Russian and Arab wealth needs to be divorced from this debate.

You are a bit clueless, aren't you?

How can you divorce the stolen Riyals and Roubles from the FFP debate, when that's exactly why it exists?

Do you have an approximate date when you started looking at football as a social conscience and business model as opposed to a sport?

I've always had a social conscience; irrespective of football, the likes of Mourinho and Usmanov and the Shaikhs should be stripped of their finances and the money returned to the country's sovereign wealth.

Don't you agree, or do you choose to ignore it because it suits you?

So what are you going to do to take revenge?

Petition Platini?

Reckon the Middle East nightmare and it's Russian connections must be making you very angry.

Some of us here just trying to enjoy the football without head banging.

[mjj]

Russian and Arab wealth needs to be divorced from this debate.

You are a bit clueless, aren't you?

How can you divorce the stolen Riyals and Roubles from the FFP debate, when that's exactly why it exists?

Do you have an approximate date when you started looking at football as a social conscience and business model as opposed to a sport?

I've always had a social conscience; irrespective of football, the likes of Mourinho and Usmanov and the Shaikhs should be stripped of their finances and the money returned to the country's sovereign wealth.

Don't you agree, or do you choose to ignore it because it suits you?

No, I completely agree if it's levelled to everyone. I just don't see why Mourinho et al should be singled out because they are in the football world.

Stealing of the people is a bit strong because if they didn't take it, someone else would. Do you really think the average Russian would be better off if Roman didn't claim the oil business?

It's business and that is the world we live in.