Bangmod Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Yeah, bla, bla, bla, just blame it on the foreigners again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I am not sure whether the kids are Thai or of other nationality, nor am I sure whether they controlled by their parents or some Mafia organisation who have bought the children from their parents. But surely Bangkok and other places have Women and Children welfare unit to prevent exploitation, why are they not investigating or have they been told to look the other way as this is "Tourist Revenue". Maybe we will see the token arrest, now it is news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil2407 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 We have a " little lady " in Nakhon Sawan ( about 8-10 ) who sells the roses and speaks some English but usually we give her the cost of the rose but not take flower and say go sell flower elsewhere but she says can't - owners get angry - very sad !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soiyamoto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 image.jpg Dear Sally Mairs, 1995 called. They want their story back. Not my fault, it's those bad Burmese again. Hmmmm good timing to badmouth Burmese. The Rose sellers look very much Thai. Burmese Hill People look very different. . I was always under the impression that most of the kids were Cambodian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RichardThailand Posted October 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2014 So just Khao San road?....Pattaya, Khon Kaen, Chiang Mai..Hua Hin..........everywhere......and everyone turns a blind eye......cheap, forced child labour!....all a part of the cause of global condemnation towards Thailand....and the authorities still try to convince the world of their ongoing efforts to stamp it out, but it's simply just talk! If you read the story it says there are around 500 of these kids around Thailand This story happens to focus on what happens on Khao San road, i'm sure the charity's that are trying to help these kids are aware and are trying to help kids in other city's to The charity business is a great business model to be part of. The more extreme stories you can come up with the more interest is gained and the money just keeps rolling in. I recall on trips to Cambodia seeing all the charity workers with there new SUVs eating at the best restaurants. If you have some basic English skills and love coming up with great stories you can make a lot of money. Downside is that sometimes you have to use a bit of the money coming in to make it look like you are actually helping someone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullstop Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Kids Selling Roses to Tourists On Khaosan Road ... and standby for next weeks groundbreaking headline... Thai women selling sex in Pattaya 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soiyamoto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Khaosan road is the last end least example of exploitation and bad morals. This joyful area of youngsters from all over the world, is clean from prostitution and abuse. You can find real exploitation in soi Nana and soi Cowboy where little children accompany their working mothers in the street food stools and around the Go-Go bars. Khaosan road has its dedicated police station and patrols of city police. This should be their duty to chase away the little children in the late hours of the night. . ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillageIdiot Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 And also USA, UK and other Western countries, where consumers are more than happy to buy goods made with the help of child labor. Politicians and police in those countries also turn a blind eye. There's money involved, so no-one really cares what they buy. Even on the rare occasions that it's publicized, people still buy the products, because the prefer a new phone to helping enslaved children. Child labor needs to be stopped wherever it happens, but don't turn a blin eye to what happens in your home countries. Spot on. These hypocrites come from countries whose consumer cultures are dependent upon exploitation of third-world labour. If the third world entrepreneur hires child labor, how exactly is it that the West is exploiting the children? What I buy is under the assumptiont the manufacturers operate according to the laws. How the F would any consumer know that the product was made illegally? And why is it that the employer isn't guilty but the consumer is? VillageIdiot, I think it's time you started calling yourself something different. That comes under the rubric of "willful ignorance." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokay Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Yea, it's the fault of foreigners that they stay enslaved. Jesus H. Christ. Who writes this crap? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Traveller Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Spot on. And also USA, UK and other Western countries, where consumers are more than happy to buy goods made with the help of child labor. Politicians and police in those countries also turn a blind eye. There's money involved, so no-one really cares what they buy. Even on the rare occasions that it's publicized, people still buy the products, because the prefer a new phone to helping enslaved children. Child labor needs to be stopped wherever it happens, but don't turn a blin eye to what happens in your home countries. These hypocrites come from countries whose consumer cultures are dependent upon exploitation of third-world labour. If the third world entrepreneur hires child labor, how exactly is it that the West is exploiting the children? What I buy is under the assumptiont the manufacturers operate according to the laws. How the F would any consumer know that the product was made illegally? And why is it that the employer isn't guilty but the consumer is? VillageIdiot, I think it's time you started calling yourself something different. Everyone that ever reads a newspaper knows that western companies exploit lax labour laws in countries like Bangladesh and Indonesia. Buying goods made in those countries contributes to the problem. BS ....Have you been to Bangladesh? How many factories have you visited? How many Bengali owners of garmet businesses do you know? Beleive me, there are more than enough adults (15yrs or over) in Bangladesh willing to work for the $70 a month min. wage in the garment industry for them to even bother about hiring children. That's not exploitation. That's the law. Maybe some factories hire children. But if a contract manufacturer is hiring children they do it on their own. It's nothing to do with their customer and nothing to do with cost either. Criminals like to make excuses for their crimes and your blame the evil West narrative is ridiculous You don't know what you're talking about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyinhuahin Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Whens the last time tey have been here.. After the army took over they cleaned out the kids working there. Does anyone remember the news about this not to long ago? I go there every week and I know from first hand experiance that they booted most of the mafia selling roses. I did see one boy selling at 3am but that was it in the last few months. Yes it was a problem before, but now its not the same. me and my girlfriend are friends with the owner of a popular bar here and I remember the owner used to complain about how bad it was with the kids. Do your research and see for yourself and go look at the many stories in english and thai about the cleanup of the kids selling roses in this area. Lets just hope it stays this way. with that said there is still a big problem with this in other areas and it saddens me to know kids can be exploited in such ways. I hope this problem will be addressed and cleaned up everywhere as they did in khao sahn. Wonder what happened to the kids. Somehow, I think it wasn't something good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyinhuahin Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 So just Khao San road?....Pattaya, Khon Kaen, Chiang Mai..Hua Hin..........everywhere......and everyone turns a blind eye......cheap, forced child labour!....all a part of the cause of global condemnation towards Thailand....and the authorities still try to convince the world of their ongoing efforts to stamp it out, but it's simply just talk! If you read the story it says there are around 500 of these kids around Thailand This story happens to focus on what happens on Khao San road, i'm sure the charity's that are trying to help these kids are aware and are trying to help kids in other city's to The charity business is a great business model to be part of. The more extreme stories you can come up with the more interest is gained and the money just keeps rolling in. I recall on trips to Cambodia seeing all the charity workers with there new SUVs eating at the best restaurants. If you have some basic English skills and love coming up with great stories you can make a lot of money. Downside is that sometimes you have to use a bit of the money coming in to make it look like you are actually helping someone. 500 kids supporting how many charity workers? Is there a way I can get in on this caper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyinhuahin Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 This reminds me of a documentary called "Bangkok Girl". Foreigner comes to Thailand then sees the ugly under belly, wonders around the usual areas then comes to such conclusions as if they have the time mag story of the year. Story's been done, sad none the less but this is down in the que. Don't be so hard on the foreigners Sally, you're a by-product of this too. Sally's fee and residuals (this porker has been in syndication about a year now) would likely be enough to put a dent in the inventory of those 500 kids for a few months. Add hers to the list of mouths feeding at the trough of false charity and moralism. She's undoubtedly made some good money here. Do you think she's sharing her good fortune? I doubt it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyinhuahin Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Kids Selling Roses to Tourists On Khaosan Road ... and standby for next weeks groundbreaking headline... Thai women selling sex in Pattaya 7-11 selling unhealthy foods.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Kids Selling Roses to Tourists On Khaosan Road ... and standby for next weeks groundbreaking headline... Thai women selling sex in Pattaya 7-11 selling unhealthy foods.... Not just 7 11. Ever been in one of those small village shops? Nothing but processed bad food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyinhuahin Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I am not giving them money but I will ask them if they want something to eat and some times I run over to 7/11 and buy them some snakes and drinks. I hope they weren't poisonous. The kids? Nah. They can be pretty nasty but they're not actually venomous. It's just all the bacteria in their mouths that has nearly the same effect. They're known to bite their prey once, then track them for days until the victim finally collapses.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudRight Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 It is not thr farangs money that keeps these kids enslaved. It is the local police abd immigration and the people who purchased them from their families (maybe one in the same). The tourists flocking to Khaosan road mostly dont even know those kids are Burmese not most certainly don't know the kids werr bought from families. Although ignorance is not generally an excuse the writer should be pointing their fingers at the police (which is stationed right there at the end of Khaosan road. The Thai immigration for not learning nor caring where these kids are kept. It is really a shame but the story blaming foriengners is ALL wrong I don't see anywhere in the article where the blame is placed on foreigners. The article clearly says that tourists are unaware of what's going on. I agree, I don't see it either but don't let it stop the Thai bashers from posting their daily rant against anything Thai although I would assume that most of them live here and know where the Airport is The airport is too messed up to use because of the terrible construction techniques in Thailand. Regarding the flower sellers, I really don't mind them because they're so much easier to ignore than the stupid frog ladies who I would rather see burn to death than bother me anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallmeScooter Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 any blame should be attributed squarely on the local middlemen... The local middlemen cannot buy children who aren't for sale. Child trafficking isn't the movement of stolen children. Traffickers deal in purchased contraband. The sources of most, if not all of Society's problems are hidden in plain sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallmeScooter Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 How are kids so young traveling without their parents? It all boils down to the work of the police and immigration officers to make this possible. The Twilight Zone of reality. Most of the rose-sellers are Burmese and have been “purchased” from their parents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyinhuahin Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Once had the pleasure to know a clan of flower-urchins. Not Burmese, not Cambodian. They were purely Thai and their 'owner' was their mother. A multi-generational franchise who will starve to death if no one buys their flowers. Does anyone imagine that the kids described in this article will go on a trip to Disneyland when they are cleared from the streets or their market dries up owing to do-gooder mercenary writers like Mairs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallmeScooter Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Wonder what happened to the kids. Somehow, I think it wasn't something good. In a world obsessed with keeping up appearances, out of sight = out of mind. Children don't ask to come here. They're forced to be here. Everyone is to blame except the children, of course. So naturally, they suffer the consequences. Curiously, this problem doesn't exist in Nature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 So just Khao San road?....Pattaya, Khon Kaen, Chiang Mai..Hua Hin..........everywhere......and everyone turns a blind eye......cheap, forced child labour!....all a part of the cause of global condemnation towards Thailand....and the authorities still try to convince the world of their ongoing efforts to stamp it out, but it's simply just talk! If you read the story it says there are around 500 of these kids around Thailand This story happens to focus on what happens on Khao San road, i'm sure the charity's that are trying to help these kids are aware and are trying to help kids in other city's to '...500 of these kids around Thailand', what, hello? At least 5,000 maybe 10,000 I'd say, you have them also in Phuket, Krabi, Samui, etc., in every place where stupid tourists come, and this will go on as long as these numbnuts don't stop, in fact, giving money to the criminals behind those kids (and to the brown dressed mafia taking bribes to turn a blind eye on it)! So tourists are stupid for not knowing the ins and outs of a place they don't live, but have simply come to visit for the scenery, food and culture? Get real! For real, tourists are stupid for not knowing the ins and outs of a place they visit, how can they enjoy the scenery, food ...and culture when they don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 How are kids so young traveling without their parents? It all boils down to the work of the police and immigration officers to make this possible. The Twilight Zone of reality. Most of the rose-sellers are Burmese and have been “purchased” from their parents I've heard it from Thais everywhere, time after time, when there's a mishap of any kind, at once, bang, they automatically blame the Burmese, and nothing about Koh Tao here! It seems not looking at the mirror not to see their nose in the middle of their face allows them to keep their proud illusions about themselves, and avoid losing face. Part of the many facets of that 'Thainess', that I hate, as it has nothing to do with culture or traditions, but alas all with the image of 'the Thai' that 'the system' from the dark middle ages (not so long ago here...) viciously perpetuated via generations of mis-education, to consolidate its power on while abusing the population, and that those, old and new, 'elites' will protect at any cost to keep a first line place at the trough... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orientalsf Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 The simplistic answer of just don't buy from these kids given by many of poster's here, to get rid of this problem does not take into account what will happen to the kids themselves. If they do not meet a quota, the people that make them do this will starve, beat or even kill them. The mentality of these people is if the kids can't produce, why keep them. I myself do not have an answer on how to solve this problem, however keep in mind the welfare of the kid's themselves. It's not their fault, they are poor or sold into this business by their parents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 image.jpg Dear Sally Mairs, 1995 called. They want their story back. ...And the good money you made plagiarizing! Maybe it would be an idea for you to 'go undercover' working as a bar lady specialised in short-times, 'embedded' so to speak, to confront yourself with the reality of life. When you'd do, please give me the name and address, for me to advertise for you on bikers' clubs' sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallmeScooter Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Any civilized society would impose heavy penalties on the parents who allow minors to work like this but in Thailand effectively no one cares that's why this continues so its not the fault of any German or other tourist that chooses to buy. Everyone involved in to blame. The tourists should understand how child exploitation works. They cannot deny culpability for representing Demand that incentivises Supply. The Police are less responsible than the parents, who put the sentimental gun to their children's heads. As far as free will, the children act with agency (as the victims of exploitation). The problem is a global one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendly Stranger Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 This reminds me of a documentary called "Bangkok Girl". Foreigner comes to Thailand then sees the ugly under belly, wonders around the usual areas then comes to such conclusions as if they have the time mag story of the year. Story's been done, sad none the less but this is down in the que. Don't be so hard on the foreigners Sally, you're a by-product of this too. Sally's fee and residuals (this porker has been in syndication about a year now) would likely be enough to put a dent in the inventory of those 500 kids for a few months. Add hers to the list of mouths feeding at the trough of false charity and moralism. She's undoubtedly made some good money here. Do you think she's sharing her good fortune? I doubt it. Same as all the others. They like to come to the usual conclusions but then they go home and go back to using products made these same kids around the world. Out of sight out of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 7-11 selling unhealthy foods.... Really? Damn, I've got to stop buying bananas, milk etc when I go past my local 7-11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drx13 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) As bad as it surely is, at least children are not being blinded or maimed as is the practice elsewhere. Perhaps I should not be giving the scum ideas. Edited October 25, 2014 by drx13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecee10 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 So just Khao San road?....Pattaya, Khon Kaen, Chiang Mai..Hua Hin..........everywhere......and everyone turns a blind eye......cheap, forced child labour!....all a part of the cause of global condemnation towards Thailand....and the authorities still try to convince the world of their ongoing efforts to stamp it out, but it's simply just talk! And also USA, UK and other Western countries, where consumers are more than happy to buy goods made with the help of child labor. Politicians and police in those countries also turn a blind eye. There's money involved, so no-one really cares what they buy. Even on the rare occasions that it's publicized, people still buy the products, because the prefer a new phone to helping enslaved children. Child labor needs to be stopped wherever it happens, but don't turn a blin eye to what happens in your home countries. We keep passing the buck around, figuratively and literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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