PDRC backs outsiders for charter panel

[Lite Beer]

CONSTITUTION DRAFTING
PDRC backs outsiders for charter panel
The Sunday Nation October 26, 2014 1:00 am

BANGKOK: -- The People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) is open to the idea of having some outsiders being selected by the National Reform Council (NRC) to draft the charter, PDRC spokesperson Akanat Promphan said yesterday.

Akanat said the PDRC would put a proposal to the Constitution Drafting Committee (CDC) on what the new charter should look like and will watch the whole process closely.

The PDRC spokesperson said there were valid reasons to have five outsiders appointed as CDC members, as it could make the composition of the committee more diverse.

He suggested the names of legal scholars like Banjerd Sinkaneti and Amorn Chandrasomboon as possible qualified outsiders who could be appointed by the NRC as charter drafters.

Akanat acknowledged that since martial law was still being imposed, the PDRC members could not convene a large meeting to discuss the new charter and what it should look like. He said, however, that the PDRC was holding a series of small meetings to discuss the matter and would forward its recommendations to the CDC.

'Reform Council already diverse'

NRC member Wanchai Sornsiri, meanwhile, predicted that the NRC would turn down the idea of appointing five outsiders under its quota of the 20 charter drafters.

He claimed that more NRC members supported the idea of having all 20 drafters from the Reform Council's quota being chosen from its own members.

The decision will be made tomorrow when the NRC meets. He acknowledged, however, that the NRC's ad-hoc whip has 11 votes versus eight in support of picking five outsiders.

Wanchai argued that the NRC was already diverse, with people from opposing sides of politics, so there was no need to bring in outsiders.

In a related development, the National Legislative Assembly is due to convene on Thursday to select five charter drafters under its quota.

It will also discuss whether to pass a new law that would increase the penalty for sex offenders against minors. A new draft bill will seek to impose a penalty of four to 20 years' imprisonment for those found raping children aged below 15.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/PDRC-backs-outsiders-for-charter-panel-30246253.html

-- The Nation 2014-10-26

[Thailand]

They are holding small meetings to decide their course of action. Would that be four persons at a time?

[JOC]

Wanchai argued that the NRC was already diverse, with people from opposing sides of politics, so there was no need to bring in outsiders.

So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL??

[chainarong]

Seems like a positive response to some criticism from last weeks TV blogs, there is a big difference in outsiders and the transparency factor seems to be absent still , I don't think the PDRC members understand the meaning of outsiders, these are people that you either don't know or only have heard of them through their reputation, a far cry from uncle or cousin.

[JOC]

They are holding small meetings to decide their course of action. Would that be four persons at a time?

First they bring the army to power, and now they are following their orders!! Aren't they sweet??

With their 6 million+ (?) followers in BKK alone, it is going to be a lot of meetings!!

[Scrutiny]

Wanchai argued that the NRC was already diverse, with people from opposing sides of politics, so there was no need to bring in outsiders.

So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL??

JOC must be American, because he understand wrongly the word "vote" buying.

In America is vote buying worst than in Thailand. 1 man/women = 1 vote has absolutely nothing to do with democrazy.

I explain: Many many millions Us Dollars (clean and otherones) from big Companies flow - share-holder value comes to mind - to the tipical both sides, named Democrates and Tee- party.

Too much money! No money from pocatii man and women. Who get the lucrative jobs afterwards? - The citizens, the tax-payers, the raiders, the Bush-Family?

This is so obvious, a system applicated aswell in Thailand. USA: Father / Son / Brother (Bush)!

In Thailand: Brother / Brother in Law / Sister and now somebody named already a neview of Thaksin?!

I can proove You that The USA is the biggest Colonial country ever. They punish their countries ever and again. More deads leaving behind than H.

Condemming South-Africa because of Apartheid. Who was the biggest Slave ......?

Winning for sure one war (against the red-skins) gives no right to destroy the world! Capito!

No culture is the culture of the American system. Multiculture not exists.

Finally take in cosideration that number one in hidden corruption are the USA. No 2 is my country Switzerland and no 10 is Thailand.

Do not forget I never mentioned the american citizens,

But The System.

Why so many people have to come as a Guest to Thailand from all over the "civilized" world. Because their Governments look good after .... in a civilized matter?

Please start to think (if you can) before you critizise Thailand. Wish/clean first before your own doors. Count from 1 to 13 before you post

in Thaivisa Forum.

There are Moderators they warned You recently!!!

By the way the distance from Your Home Countries to Thailand is as long as from Thailand back...! Exactly by one inch! It's math. And never forget that physical Law: Action causes Reaction. 100%.

Thaivisa has changed in a very positive matter infrastructure concerned.

I would like to tell the programmers it's very easy (1 hour max.) to count the median postings of Thaivisa-Members. Some are posting more than 20 a day, some not many less.

But anyway never forget it is necessity to critisize,

But Please in a constructive manner,

If not, remember what I told about the distance by one inch!!!! The Authorities and Family Members will wait with roses in their hands at the airports! 5555

This from a Global Philosopher with Swiss Passport. I need one aswell! 5555

[Suriya4]

Wow. What a long long post. No wonder they say Silence is golden.

[rubl]

Wanchai argued that the NRC was already diverse, with people from opposing sides of politics, so there was no need to bring in outsiders.

So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL??

Would that be the 15.74 million who vote Pheu Thai out of the 67 million Thai people? Maybe the 44% of cast votes?

Anyway with Pheu Thai members and UDD red-shirt not obstructing by not cooperating it's somewhat difficult, but I'm sure the NRC and CDC can make an educated guess at what the 'wait-and-see-ers' would like

[rubl]

I think there are good reasons for selecting outsiders. One is the need for legal experts who also know about 'social justice' and so. Furthermore NRC members and up to a point NLA members already have more than enough on their plate. Being member of too many groups only limits the time they can spent on each (assuming they do some of the work themselves )

[tbthailand]

The PDRC spokesperson said there were valid reasons to have five outsiders appointed as CDC members, as it could make the composition of the committee more diverse.

these guys crack me up!

[tbthailand]

Wanchai argued that the NRC was already diverse, with people from opposing sides of politics, so there was no need to bring in outsiders.

So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL??

Would that be the 15.74 million who vote Pheu Thai out of the 67 million Thai people? Maybe the 44% of cast votes?

Anyway with Pheu Thai members and UDD red-shirt not obstructing by not cooperating it's somewhat difficult, but I'm sure the NRC and CDC can make an educated guess at what the 'wait-and-see-ers' would like

blah blah blah, back with your fake numbers.

See, Rubl, 100% of the votes in the last election were for the government of the Thai people. The dems MPs were elected too, and were a part of the governing process - even if they were completely ineffective in representing their voters.

And that government, constitution and all were eliminated by the 'intervention'. 100% of it - out the window

[chotthee]

Who is PDRC?

[rubl]

Wanchai argued that the NRC was already diverse, with people from opposing sides of politics, so there was no need to bring in outsiders.

So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL??

Would that be the 15.74 million who vote Pheu Thai out of the 67 million Thai people? Maybe the 44% of cast votes?

Anyway with Pheu Thai members and UDD red-shirt not obstructing by not cooperating it's somewhat difficult, but I'm sure the NRC and CDC can make an educated guess at what the 'wait-and-see-ers' would like

blah blah blah, back with your fake numbers.

See, Rubl, 100% of the votes in the last election were for the government of the Thai people. The dems MPs were elected too, and were a part of the governing process - even if they were completely ineffective in representing their voters.

And that government, constitution and all were eliminated by the 'intervention'. 100% of it - out the window

... and in the mean time we wonder about selecting members for the CDC, who are not from NLA or NRC but real external. I wonder if members from the Pheu Thai party or from the UDD would refused to co-operate as their 'leadership' obstructs by not cooperating

PS 'fake numbers' ? You mean JOC's 'majority of Thai people voting for the Yingluck government' I guess. Your 'for the government' should be 'for a government' unless you think the result was so obvious as to make it almost absurd to have elections.

[rickirs]

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Wanchai argued that the NRC was already diverse, with people from opposing sides of politics, so there was no need to bring in outsiders.

So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL?? width=32 alt=coffee1.gif>

Would that be the 15.74 million who vote Pheu Thai out of the 67 million Thai people? Maybe the 44% of cast votes?

Anyway with Pheu Thai members and UDD red-shirt not obstructing by not cooperating it's somewhat difficult, but I'm sure the NRC and CDC can make an educated guess at what the 'wait-and-see-ers' would like alt=rolleyes.gif>

You are comparing votes received by the PTP to total population of Thailand. Total number of actual votes was about 32.5 million. So you don't have to suffer doing the 3rd grade math see thumbnail pictures below:;b++){var>

[tbthailand]

Wanchai argued that the NRC was already diverse, with people from opposing sides of politics, so there was no need to bring in outsiders.

So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL??

Would that be the 15.74 million who vote Pheu Thai out of the 67 million Thai people? Maybe the 44% of cast votes?

Anyway with Pheu Thai members and UDD red-shirt not obstructing by not cooperating it's somewhat difficult, but I'm sure the NRC and CDC can make an educated guess at what the 'wait-and-see-ers' would like

blah blah blah, back with your fake numbers.

See, Rubl, 100% of the votes in the last election were for the government of the Thai people. The dems MPs were elected too, and were a part of the governing process - even if they were completely ineffective in representing their voters.

And that government, constitution and all were eliminated by the 'intervention'. 100% of it - out the window

... and in the mean time we wonder about selecting members for the CDC, who are not from NLA or NRC but real external. I wonder if members from the Pheu Thai party or from the UDD would refused to co-operate as their 'leadership' obstructs by not cooperating

PS 'fake numbers' ? You mean JOC's 'majority of Thai people voting for the Yingluck government' I guess. Your 'for the government' should be 'for a government' unless you think the result was so obvious as to make it almost absurd to have elections.

as you well know, the majority of the votes did go to the PTP and their coalition partners.

but you site irrelevant stats of your own creation regarding the 2011 election results anyway.

I'm used to it, but others might actually believe you.

[tbthailand]

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Wanchai argued that the NRC was already diverse, with people from opposing sides of politics, so there was no need to bring in outsiders.

So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL?? width=32 alt=coffee1.gif>

Would that be the 15.74 million who vote Pheu Thai out of the 67 million Thai people? Maybe the 44% of cast votes?

Anyway with Pheu Thai members and UDD red-shirt not obstructing by not cooperating it's somewhat difficult, but I'm sure the NRC and CDC can make an educated guess at what the 'wait-and-see-ers' would like alt=rolleyes.gif>

You are comparing votes received by the PTP to total population of Thailand. Total number of actual votes was about 32.5 million. So you don't have to suffer doing the 3rd grade math see thumbnail pictures below:;b++){var>

he has been spouting these fake numbers since I've been on here - and probably longer.

Seems to be some kind of a nervous twitch.

[japsportscarmad]

Wanchai argued that the NRC was already diverse, with people from opposing sides of politics, so there was no need to bring in outsiders.

So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL??

Would that be the 15.74 million who vote Pheu Thai out of the 67 million Thai people? Maybe the 44% of cast votes?

Anyway with Pheu Thai members and UDD red-shirt not obstructing by not cooperating it's somewhat difficult, but I'm sure the NRC and CDC can make an educated guess at what the 'wait-and-see-ers' would like

blah blah blah, back with your fake numbers.

See, Rubl, 100% of the votes in the last election were for the government of the Thai people. The dems MPs were elected too, and were a part of the governing process - even if they were completely ineffective in representing their voters.

And that government, constitution and all were eliminated by the 'intervention'. 100% of it - out the window

... and in the mean time we wonder about selecting members for the CDC, who are not from NLA or NRC but real external. I wonder if members from the Pheu Thai party or from the UDD would refused to co-operate as their 'leadership' obstructs by not cooperating

PS 'fake numbers' ? You mean JOC's 'majority of Thai people voting for the Yingluck government' I guess. Your 'for the government' should be 'for a government' unless you think the result was so obvious as to make it almost absurd to have elections.

as you well know, the majority of the votes did go to the PTP and their coalition partners.

but you site irrelevant stats of your own creation regarding the 2011 election results anyway.

I'm used to it, but others might actually believe you.

I doubt it they're made up

[rubl]

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Wanchai argued that the NRC was already diverse, with people from opposing sides of politics, so there was no need to bring in outsiders.

So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL?? width=32 alt=coffee1.gif>

Would that be the 15.74 million who vote Pheu Thai out of the 67 million Thai people? Maybe the 44% of cast votes?

Anyway with Pheu Thai members and UDD red-shirt not obstructing by not cooperating it's somewhat difficult, but I'm sure the NRC and CDC can make an educated guess at what the 'wait-and-see-ers' would like alt=rolleyes.gif>

You are comparing votes received by the PTP to total population of Thailand. Total number of actual votes was about 32.5 million. So you don't have to suffer doing the 3rd grade math see thumbnail pictures below:

JOC wrote "who are those representing the majority of Thai people" followed by "those who voted for the now disposed YL government".

So, do 15.74 million Pheu Thai voters represent the majority of Thai people ?

Anyway, counting seems more interesting to some than outsiders in the CDC

[japsportscarmad]

It still a lot of people who need to be represented

[rubl]

blah blah blah, back with your fake numbers.

See, Rubl, 100% of the votes in the last election were for the government of the Thai people. The dems MPs were elected too, and were a part of the governing process - even if they were completely ineffective in representing their voters.

And that government, constitution and all were eliminated by the 'intervention'. 100% of it - out the window

... and in the mean time we wonder about selecting members for the CDC, who are not from NLA or NRC but real external. I wonder if members from the Pheu Thai party or from the UDD would refused to co-operate as their 'leadership' obstructs by not cooperating

PS 'fake numbers' ? You mean JOC's 'majority of Thai people voting for the Yingluck government' I guess. Your 'for the government' should be 'for a government' unless you think the result was so obvious as to make it almost absurd to have elections.

as you well know, the majority of the votes did go to the PTP and their coalition partners.

but you site irrelevant stats of your own creation regarding the 2011 election results anyway.

I'm used to it, but others might actually believe you.

Oh come on TB. 'fake numbers', 'irrelevant stats' and 'my creation'?

JOC wrote "So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL??" and all of a sudden they represent the 'majority of Thai people'.

Anyway, you seem more interested in 'fake numbers' than reasoning why we should have outside members in the CDC. Maybe because the Pheu Thai already indicated not to obstruct by not participating? The UDD red-shirts not wanting to be involved? One can only hope the NCPO will appoint some relevant Pheu Thai members and red-shirts for their welcome input. Would they refuse such appointment? Maybe Pheu Thai and UDD have no people with knowledge relevant to drafting charters? Maybe Pol. Captain Chalerm should be appointed. If memory serves me he has stated a year or two ago to have drafted his own constitution and a few laws.

[rubl]

He has been spouting these fake numbers since I've been on here - and probably longer.

Seems to be some kind of a nervous twitch.

So pray tell what is fake in

"Would that be the 15.74 million who vote Pheu Thai out of the 67 million Thai people? Maybe the 44% of cast votes?"

as reply to

JOC's "So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL??"

[tbthailand]

blah blah blah, back with your fake numbers.

See, Rubl, 100% of the votes in the last election were for the government of the Thai people. The dems MPs were elected too, and were a part of the governing process - even if they were completely ineffective in representing their voters.

And that government, constitution and all were eliminated by the 'intervention'. 100% of it - out the window

... and in the mean time we wonder about selecting members for the CDC, who are not from NLA or NRC but real external. I wonder if members from the Pheu Thai party or from the UDD would refused to co-operate as their 'leadership' obstructs by not cooperating

PS 'fake numbers' ? You mean JOC's 'majority of Thai people voting for the Yingluck government' I guess. Your 'for the government' should be 'for a government' unless you think the result was so obvious as to make it almost absurd to have elections.

as you well know, the majority of the votes did go to the PTP and their coalition partners.

but you site irrelevant stats of your own creation regarding the 2011 election results anyway.

I'm used to it, but others might actually believe you.

Oh come on TB. 'fake numbers', 'irrelevant stats' and 'my creation'?

JOC wrote "So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL??" and all of a sudden they represent the 'majority of Thai people'.

Anyway, you seem more interested in 'fake numbers' than reasoning why we should have outside members in the CDC. Maybe because the Pheu Thai already indicated not to obstruct by not participating? The UDD red-shirts not wanting to be involved? One can only hope the NCPO will appoint some relevant Pheu Thai members and red-shirts for their welcome input. Would they refuse such appointment? Maybe Pheu Thai and UDD have no people with knowledge relevant to drafting charters? Maybe Pol. Captain Chalerm should be appointed. If memory serves me he has stated a year or two ago to have drafted his own constitution and a few laws.

it is somehow reassuring to see that you are still laboring under the illusion that 'reconciliation' is an 'inclusive' process. If you ever become a (small 'd') democrat, it will turn my world upside down.

[Fatty123]

Not naming names, but there are some proper muppets on here.

PT won the election (a few actually in other incarnations). Therefore, they are the most popular political party in Thailand. That's a fact. If a fair and free election was held tomorrow and PT took part (new name or not), they would win it hands down. And the vote buying myth is overrated. Instead of listening to the side that lost the election(s), try an independent source like 'Transparency International'. Y'know, the dudes that said Abhasit's lot were waaaaaaay more corrupt? Or listen to Suthep. The choice is yours.

And I can't stand Thaksin. But at the end of the day, if the Thais want him or another member of his family to run the place, that's up to them. Not some right wing foaming at the mouth westerner.

How can it be fair for the most popular party not to have any say in Thailand's affairs? Without that, it's an insult for the Junta to use the word 'democracy' every five minutes.

[japsportscarmad]

Stop insulting muppets by comparing to some on here to them it's not fair :-)

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[rubl]

As you well know, the majority of the votes did go to the PTP and their coalition partners.

but you site irrelevant stats of your own creation regarding the 2011 election results anyway.

I'm used to it, but others might actually believe you.

Oh come on TB. 'fake numbers', 'irrelevant stats' and 'my creation'?

JOC wrote "So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL??" and all of a sudden they represent the 'majority of Thai people'.

Anyway, you seem more interested in 'fake numbers' than reasoning why we should have outside members in the CDC. Maybe because the Pheu Thai already indicated not to obstruct by not participating? The UDD red-shirts not wanting to be involved? One can only hope the NCPO will appoint some relevant Pheu Thai members and red-shirts for their welcome input. Would they refuse such appointment? Maybe Pheu Thai and UDD have no people with knowledge relevant to drafting charters? Maybe Pol. Captain Chalerm should be appointed. If memory serves me he has stated a year or two ago to have drafted his own constitution and a few laws.

it is somehow reassuring to see that you are still laboring under the illusion that 'reconciliation' is an 'inclusive' process. If you ever become a (small 'd') democrat, it will turn my world upside down.

So, does that mean that like me you also think the NRC should appoint outside experts rather than have five of its members have double tasks and maybe not be the right people to draw up a constitution?

[tbthailand]

As you well know, the majority of the votes did go to the PTP and their coalition partners.

but you site irrelevant stats of your own creation regarding the 2011 election results anyway.

I'm used to it, but others might actually believe you.

Oh come on TB. 'fake numbers', 'irrelevant stats' and 'my creation'?

JOC wrote "So who exactly are representing the majority of the Thai people, those who voted for the now deposed government under YL??" and all of a sudden they represent the 'majority of Thai people'.

Anyway, you seem more interested in 'fake numbers' than reasoning why we should have outside members in the CDC. Maybe because the Pheu Thai already indicated not to obstruct by not participating? The UDD red-shirts not wanting to be involved? One can only hope the NCPO will appoint some relevant Pheu Thai members and red-shirts for their welcome input. Would they refuse such appointment? Maybe Pheu Thai and UDD have no people with knowledge relevant to drafting charters? Maybe Pol. Captain Chalerm should be appointed. If memory serves me he has stated a year or two ago to have drafted his own constitution and a few laws.

it is somehow reassuring to see that you are still laboring under the illusion that 'reconciliation' is an 'inclusive' process. If you ever become a (small 'd') democrat, it will turn my world upside down.

So, does that mean that like me you also think the NRC should appoint outside experts rather than have five of its members have double tasks and maybe not be the right people to draw up a constitution?

thanks, Rubl - my world is still ok

[japsportscarmad]

And mine