Graft buster seeks rice scheme corruption evidence from Prayut

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Graft buster seeks rice scheme corruption evidence from Prayut



BANGKOK: -- The National Anti-Corruption Commission is seeking evidence of corruption and irregularities involving the controversial rice pledging scheme from the prime minister to bring charges against all those involved.

NACC chairman Parnthep Klanarongran said the NACC was asking Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha for the documental evidence of the inspection by authorities of rice stockpiles entering the rice pledging scheme of the former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra to combine with its own investigation.

He said the NACC focused mainly on corruption issue in the rice scheme in order to pursue legal case against those responsible.

If all evidence regarding the rice stock inspection are obtained, the NACC will have a full board meeting to deliberate and bring charges against them.

He also said the government could release rice in the stocks for auction to prevent further damages, but only the released stocks are not involved in the inspection process.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/graft-buster-seeks-rice-scheme-corruption-evidence-prayut/


-- Thai PBS 2014-10-31

[JOC]

"If all evidence regarding the rice stock inspection are obtained, the NACC will have a full board meeting to deliberate and bring charges against them"

So even before seeing the evidence, the board have decided to bring charges??

[slapout]

"If all evidence regarding the rice stock inspection are obtained, the NACC will have a full board meeting to deliberate and bring charges against them"

So even before seeing the evidence, the board have decided to bring charges??

From what has been found and reported in writting, by various inspections, of accounting, storage facilities/conditions, missing grain, grain which was burnt, grain which was dumped in remote places, transport losses, milling losses, storage cost, drying grain procedure, lack of fumigation/proper storage, etc just to name a few potential charges

To date murder , kidnapping, rape, and armed robbery are about the only things not reported, but there are still a lot of individuals that seem to be telling what they know on individuals who were/are directly involved in this travesty of public service by professed pubic servents, so these charges may come up at a later date..

[Fat Haggis]

What's wrong with their own findings ?

Down the feel confident enough that they have enough after concluding their own investigations?

It's clear as mud he's determined to bring Yingluck to account by any means neccessary which kind of makes it look like a personal issue

[ChrisY1]

Pretty sure nothing's gonna happen here......might just as well shut the book on this failure, and move on....

[Bakseeda]

What's wrong with their own findings ?

Down the feel confident enough that they have enough after concluding their own investigations?

It's clear as mud he's determined to bring Yingluck to account by any means neccessary which kind of makes it look like a personal issue

Fat Haggis.... what skool did you go to ? I NEVER saw clear mud.... in fact mud is used when something is NOT clear... ie, muddy waters, Not the singer..!

[Robby nz]

You anti everything lot would whinge if the NACC didn't seek to include the latest results of the inspections in their evidence.

It seems perfectly reasonable that after investigating the scheme since the first no confidence debate that the NACC would want to include as much new evidence as possible even though what they already have is deemed enough to prove their case.

You should note that former commerce ministers and 14 others have already been charged with corruption under the scheme and as yet Yingluck has only as yet only got a charge of negligence against her.

[RustBucket]

What's wrong with their own findings ?

Down the feel confident enough that they have enough after concluding their own investigations?

It's clear as mud he's determined to bring Yingluck to account by any means neccessary which kind of makes it look like a personal issue

Crud.

800 Bn baht was lost on HER shift.

Stop trying to make out it is a personal vendetta against her.

I assume you come from the UK, what would you want them to do to Cameron if this happened in the UK under his premiership?

Of course,.... You would want to see him face criminal punishment.

[djjamie]

Yingluck Rice Policy in summary:

- 900 billion baht spent
- 3 mil tons of good rice missing
- 15 mil tons rotting in silos

and the Thai farmers still poor!

If anyone thinks yingluck does not need to be held to account I say one thing……Can I be the CEO of your company!!!?

[Estrada]

What's wrong with their own findings ?

Down the feel confident enough that they have enough after concluding their own investigations?

It's clear as mud he's determined to bring Yingluck to account by any means neccessary which kind of makes it look like a personal issue

Fat Haggis.... what skool did you go to ? I NEVER saw clear mud.... in fact mud is used when something is NOT clear... ie, muddy waters, Not the singer..!

Bakseeda what school did you go to? "It's as clear as mud" is a very common expression in everyday use. It is often used to express disatisfaction to an answer to a question on a subject that you require clarity.

[smutcakes]

What's wrong with their own findings ?

Down the feel confident enough that they have enough after concluding their own investigations?

It's clear as mud he's determined to bring Yingluck to account by any means neccessary which kind of makes it look like a personal issue

Fat Haggis.... what skool did you go to ? I NEVER saw clear mud.... in fact mud is used when something is NOT clear... ie, muddy waters, Not the singer..!

Bakseeda what school did you go to? "It's as clear as mud" is a very common expression in everyday use. It is often used to express disatisfaction to an answer to a question on a subject that you require clarity.

yes it is common, but in this particular instance i think FH might have it the wrong way round. Perhaps 'crystal clear' would have been more appropriate. Clear as mud is normally used when something is very confused or not clear at all, whereas i think in this case he was saying the opposite #pendant

[bongoz]

What's wrong with their own findings ?

Down the feel confident enough that they have enough after concluding their own investigations?

It's clear as mud he's determined to bring Yingluck to account by any means neccessary which kind of makes it look like a personal issue

Fat Haggis.... what skool did you go to ? I NEVER saw clear mud.... in fact mud is used when something is NOT clear... ie, muddy waters, Not the singer..!

@ Fat Haggis - do you even know what 'clear as mud' means?

very difficult to understand

How does your last sentence then make any sense?

It's clear as mud very difficult to understand he's determined to bring Yingluck to account by any means neccessary which kind of makes it look like a personal issue

[rickirs]

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You anti everything lot would whinge if the NACC didn't seek to include the latest results of the inspections in their evidence.

It seems perfectly reasonable that after investigating the scheme since the first no confidence debate that the NACC would want to include as much new evidence as possible even though what they already have is deemed enough to prove their case.

You should note that former commerce ministers and 14 others have already been charged with corruption under the scheme and as yet Yingluck has only as yet only got a charge of negligence against her.

And thus ,it is only the NACC that has brought the charge against Yingluck in connection with the rice pledge program with the Attorney General Office refusing to prosecute. NACC may be getting a little desparate after all its fanfare of government corruption and having no convictions to show for their efforts. Going after the granary owners who conspired to steal government-owned rice is "low hanging fruit" from a prosecurial perspective.

[rubl]

You anti everything lot would whinge if the NACC didn't seek to include the latest results of the inspections in their evidence.

It seems perfectly reasonable that after investigating the scheme since the first no confidence debate that the NACC would want to include as much new evidence as possible even though what they already have is deemed enough to prove their case.

You should note that former commerce ministers and 14 others have already been charged with corruption under the scheme and as yet Yingluck has only as yet only got a charge of negligence against her.

And thus ,it is only the NACC that has brought the charge against Yingluck in connection with the rice pledge program with the Attorney General Office refusing to prosecute. NACC may be getting a little desparate after all its fanfare of government corruption and having no convictions to show for their efforts. Going after the granary owners who conspired to steal government-owned rice is "low hanging fruit" from a prosecurial perspective.

The OAG told the NACC to plug some holes and get some more details. The NACC seems to be doing that. Would you rather that the OAG just charges, prosecutes only to get the case thrown out because homework not done correctly? That would be a waste of (more) money.

One can only lament the fact that Ms. yingluck (or her National Rice Committee or her cabinet) was somewhat sloppy in keeping detailed accounting on the 700++ billion Baht lost in this self-financing scam. Too busy with other things I guess, like the blanket amnesty bill which even covered her own first two years in office. As if she needed that

[Robby nz]

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You anti everything lot would whinge if the NACC didn't seek to include the latest results of the inspections in their evidence.

It seems perfectly reasonable that after investigating the scheme since the first no confidence debate that the NACC would want to include as much new evidence as possible even though what they already have is deemed enough to prove their case.

You should note that former commerce ministers and 14 others have already been charged with corruption under the scheme and as yet Yingluck has only as yet only got a charge of negligence against her.

And thus ,it is only the NACC that has brought the charge against Yingluck in connection with the rice pledge program with the Attorney General Office refusing to prosecute. NACC may be getting a little desparate after all its fanfare of government corruption and having no convictions to show for their efforts. Going after the granary owners who conspired to steal government-owned rice is "low hanging fruit" from a prosecurial perspective.

Could it just be that you have your wires crossed there somewhere rickirs ?

The NACC took the case for Yinglucks negligence to the NLA where they have to decide on whether she should be impeached.

It was them that asked for farther evidence which they have now received and as of yesterday they are going to go ahead with deliberations regarding her impeachment.

As per :

Yingluck impeachment proceedings in 25 days, says NLA

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- National Legislative Assembly (NLA) vice-president Surachai Liengboonlertchai said yesterday the impeachment proceedings against ex-PM Yingluck Shinawatra would take no more than 25 days.

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Should they decide to impeach her then proceedings will be started against her for corruption as they already have been against her former ministers.

[Thai at Heart]

You anti everything lot would whinge if the NACC didn't seek to include the latest results of the inspections in their evidence.

It seems perfectly reasonable that after investigating the scheme since the first no confidence debate that the NACC would want to include as much new evidence as possible even though what they already have is deemed enough to prove their case.

You should note that former commerce ministers and 14 others have already been charged with corruption under the scheme and as yet Yingluck has only as yet only got a charge of negligence against her.

Hilarious.

Until this last lot of inspections, most was supposedly fine. They should probably ask what the hell happened in the last 2 or 3 months.

Ah of course then they were trying to sell it, hoping they had enough of a case to hang yingluck. When they didn't have enough, now 80% is useless, and they have given up trying to fool the market into buying it.

Oh the web we weave....

[Fat Haggis]

What's wrong with their own findings ?

Down the feel confident enough that they have enough after concluding their own investigations?

It's clear as mud he's determined to bring Yingluck to account by any means neccessary which kind of makes it look like a personal issue

Fat Haggis.... what skool did you go to ? I NEVER saw clear mud.... in fact mud is used when something is NOT clear... ie, muddy waters, Not the singer..!

It's an expression that means the opposite of what it's supposed to mean, you never heard of it before?

When someone asks you a question that you don't really understand and they say is that clear!

Yeah as clear as mud, meaning I don't get it !!!

*clear as mud

1. Cliché not clear at all. (*Also: as ~.) Your swimming pool needs cleaning; the water is clear as mud.

2. Cliché not easy to understand. (*Also: as ~.) This physics chapter is clear as mud to me. I did all the reading, but it's still as clear as mud.

See also: clear, mud

McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.

(as) clear as mud

very difficult to understand His traffic directions were as clear as mud.

Usage notes: used to humorously explain that there was a problem

Opposite of: (as) plain as day

See also: clear, mud

Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.

[Fat Haggis]

What's wrong with their own findings ?

Down the feel confident enough that they have enough after concluding their own investigations?

It's clear as mud he's determined to bring Yingluck to account by any means neccessary which kind of makes it look like a personal issue

Fat Haggis.... what skool did you go to ? I NEVER saw clear mud.... in fact mud is used when something is NOT clear... ie, muddy waters, Not the singer..!

Bakseeda what school did you go to? "It's as clear as mud" is a very common expression in everyday use. It is often used to express disatisfaction to an answer to a question on a subject that you require clarity.

yes it is common, but in this particular instance i think FH might have it the wrong way round. Perhaps 'crystal clear' would have been more appropriate. Clear as mud is normally used when something is very confused or not clear at all, whereas i think in this case he was saying the opposite #pendant

Yes I was having a dual conversation with my wife and typed mud when she was talking about it and nothing to do with politics either.

The point I was trying to make is that NACC said they had enough evidence but it's pretty clear it's not enough to satisfy the courts it's being presented to, what with them already having been told by academics not to use their findings it looks more like the NACC hasn't for sufficient evidence to pursue this matter and have asked for the PMs investigation reports, why? Isn't theirs good enough on its own?

To there poster who asked if I would hold David Cameron to account no I wouldn't Id hold the Department of Agriculture head accountable.

Plenty of money was wasted by the MOD back in late 90s and early 2000's I held these Ministers in that department accountable the wasted money on Chinooks that couldn't fly in the dark the Apaches that couldn't launch the missiles and the lists goes on and on an on, I might not have a bug up my ass about this rice scheme as many others do, sure Yingluck was the chairperson who never attended any meetings which was piss poor on its own, but she relied on the information from her ministers and if they told her all was peachy then she could enjoy her shopping trips more!! ?

[Local Drunk]

"If all evidence regarding the rice stock inspection are obtained, the NACC will have a full board meeting to deliberate and bring charges against them"

So even before seeing the evidence, the board have decided to bring charges??

"So even before seeing the evidence, the board have decided to bring charges??"

No they will have a meeting and then decide to bring charges. It's very clear in the OP.

[khwaibah]

"If all evidence regarding the rice stock inspection are obtained, the NACC will have a full board meeting to deliberate and bring charges against them"

So even before seeing the evidence, the board have decided to bring charges??

"So even before seeing the evidence, the board have decided to bring charges??"

No they will have a meeting and then decide to bring charges. It's very clear in the OP.

At 9 baht a kilo at the local rice scam mill no doubt..hang um high.