Thailand to push back more than 200 boat people: police

[Rimmer]

Racist post discussing moderation removed

[Bluespunk]

Frankly i feel sorry for them as a human tragedy, because they lost every rights in Burma. But on the other hand, once they migrate and settle in a country, they start to build mosques and they will start their other business too. Only way to settle the issue is, Muslim majority countries like Malaysia or Indonesia should welcome them and settle them along side with them.

They have lived in that region of Burma for generations and the history of Muslims living there goes back centuries, predating the entity we now call Burma [well Myanmar to be exact].

[Bluespunk]

"More than 200 boat people held in southern Thailand will be pushed back out to sea, police said on Monday"

Despicable behaviour.

What was that UN seat Thailand recently sought?

[whatawonderfulday]

And no doubt in line with previous modus operandi any boat engines will be removed, towed out to sea by the Thai Navy and cut loose to their fate. Hope the world's press monitor this action, if it actually happens, and publicize the current regimes complete disregard to human rights or personnel dignity, unless of course they have any money in which case a "donation" should secure their freedom in the short term.

Edited November 11, 2014 by whatawonderfulday

[steven100]

Again!! A new despicable act by inhumane Thais!!

Aren't the Aussies now doing the same thing, having been invaded by economic migrants for years?

Sydney is full of them - they arrive in droves and most go straight onto welfare, instantly qualifying for privileges that bona fide migrants have to wait years for.

Real refugees are one thing, economic migrants are another thing entirely. The Aussie approach is 'sorry, there are too many of you and we can't afford to settle and support you.'

Tony Abbott, Australia's prime minister, deploys the navy to "push" boats filled with asylum seekers heading for Australia back to Indonesian waters

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10555392/Australia-sends-in-its-navy-to-push-asylum-seeker-boats-back-to-Indonesia.html

Yes, and good job. There are now practically zero boats trying to come to Australia ... and this is because the ' turn the boats back ' policy is working.

If you are a genuine refugee fleeing then that's fine ... but do not pay a people smuggler $10,000 to jump on a boat and set sail for Australia. If you have $10k to pay someone then you are not a genuine refugee.

Most people don't understand the situation and just comment on the ' poor suffering ' bla .. bla .. bla ..

Well, let me tell you it's the people smugglers making hundreds of thousands of dollars every trip they attempt, so they don't care what happens to these people once the money is in there hands.

When the boat gets into trouble they send out a distress call and just wait to be picked up and then blend in with the refugees .... then return to indonesia, sri lanka, Afghanistan or wherever to arrange for another trip. It's a scam .... why do you think australia went to great lengths to think of a solution ? because it was costing millions & the smuggler still gets paid.

So before all the people who comment here feel sorry for these poor boat people ..... you need to understand the situation fully and have all the facts, and only then may you realize that it's far more complicated than just refugees on a boat.

Because quite frankly, most don't understand and most post rubbish.

Edited November 11, 2014 by steven100

[AhFarangJa]

Again!! A new despicable act by inhumane Thais!!

Aren't the Aussies now doing the same thing, having been invaded by economic migrants for years?

Sydney is full of them - they arrive in droves and most go straight onto welfare, instantly qualifying for privileges that bona fide migrants have to wait years for.

Real refugees are one thing, economic migrants are another thing entirely. The Aussie approach is 'sorry, there are too many of you and we can't afford to settle and support you.'

Tony Abbott, Australia's prime minister, deploys the navy to "push" boats filled with asylum seekers heading for Australia back to Indonesian waters

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10555392/Australia-sends-in-its-navy-to-push-asylum-seeker-boats-back-to-Indonesia.html

Yes, and good job. There are now practically zero boats trying to come to Australia ... and this is because the ' turn the boats back ' policy is working.

If you are a genuine refugee fleeing then that's fine ... but do not pay a people smuggler $10,000 to jump on a boat and set sail for Australia. If you have $10k to pay someone then you are not a genuine refugee.

Most people don't understand the situation and just comment on the ' poor suffering ' bla .. bla .. bla ..

Well, let me tell you it's the people smugglers making hundreds of thousands of dollars every trip they attempt, so they don't care what happens to these people once the money is in there hands.

When the boat gets into trouble they send out a distress call and just wait to be picked up and then blend in with the refugees .... then return to indonesia, sri lanka, Afghanistan or wherever to arrange for another trip. It's a scam .... why do you think australia went to great lengths to think of a solution ? because it was costing millions & the smuggler still gets paid.

So before all the people who comment here feel sorry for these poor boat people ..... you need to understand the situation fully and have all the facts, and only then may you realize that it's far more complicated than just refugees on a boat.

Because quite frankly, most don't understand and most post rubbish.

At last someone with a grasp on the reality!!

If you ever think about running for Government you can have my vote.

[WhizBang]

And Thailand wonders why the rest of the world has human rights/trafficing/slavery issues with Thailand.

What sort of morons are making these decisions? And why?

[Ulic]

I thought the Thai policy was to help with repairs, fuel, food, water and point them in the direction

of Malaysia where they want to go to. Or on to Indonesia if there final destination is Australia.

One thing is for sure they don't want to stay in Thailand.

[metisdead]

A baiting post has been removed.

[Bluespunk]

I thought the Thai policy was to help with repairs, fuel, food, water and point them in the direction

of Malaysia where they want to go to. Or on to Indonesia if there final destination is Australia.

One thing is for sure they don't want to stay in Thailand.

To be fair, many don't want any of us staying.

[Thanet]

Again!! A new despicable act by inhumane Thais!!

Aren't the Aussies now doing the same thing, having been invaded by economic migrants for years?

Sydney is full of them - they arrive in droves and most go straight onto welfare, instantly qualifying for privileges that bona fide migrants have to wait years for.

Real refugees are one thing, economic migrants are another thing entirely. The Aussie approach is 'sorry, there are too many of you and we can't afford to settle and support you.'

Until a few years ago the asylum seekers / refugees arriving by sea in Australia were nearly all assessed as legitimate. 'They' did not access the same benefits as bona fide migrants, most are not permitted to work and had no option other than to receive welfare support.

Oz government policy was changed by Labor that led to the influx of the large majority arriving by sea and were assessed as economic refugees. The inflow of arrivals by sea has now been stopped by offshore processing and refusal to permit entry to Oz, even if vetted as legitimate. Right now 'they' have the option to be resettled in PNG, volunteer to transfer to Cambodia, transfer back to home country or remain in detention for years whilst UNHCR try to resettle in a third party country.

If the Rohingya manage to get into Malaysia or Indonesia they are denied permission to legally work, exploited and so on.

Bangladesh has recently passed legislation to retroactively cancel all marriage licences between Rohingya themselves. local nationals and banned marriage for Rohingya in any circumstance.

UNHCR efforts are complicated by Rohingya being denied citizenship by the Burmese government, so officially stateless.

I’m sure you and others are aware Rohingya are one of the most oppressed people in the world.

Refugees in Australia are permitted to work, and any of them can tell a story about persecution to get a visa - once they have landed, getting rid of them again is a political hot potato, and the newspapers are full of stories about sending them beck to certain death.

And I'll correct you here - refugees are exempt from the normal two-year waiting period for benefits, and they are exempt the 10 year waiting period to draw a pension.

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For most forms of social security:

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/newly-arrived-residents-waiting-period

Exemptions to the Newly Arrived Resident’s Waiting Period

The Newly Arrived Resident’s Waiting Period may not affect you if you are:

• an Australian citizen, or
• a person who arrived under a refugee or humanitarian program, or

and, for pensions:

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/services/centrelink/age-pension

You also need to have been an Australian resident for a continuous period of at least 10 years, or for a number of periods that total more than ten years, with one of the periods being at least five years, unless you:

• are a refugee or former refugee, or

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In addition to this, they were dishing out $10,000 payments, so that they could buy home furnishings, flat screen TV's etc.

Stopping economic migrants calling themselves refugees from coming over in the first place was the main reason why Tony Abbot got elected. People in Australia are sick of them all.

[Robby nz]

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I don't believe that the Thai navy is removing food, shelter and engines from the boats before towing them back to sea - that would effectively be murder, and I don't for a minute believe that the navy would do such a thing.

It really doesn't matter what you believe!! Because it actually happened in 2008, use your friend Google.

And two journalists from an English-language newspaper in Phuket was sued by the Thai navy, for reporting it.

You have it wrong again JOC.

What happened in 2008 has been so twisted by political opponents that it is difficult to know what actually happened.

However what the jurnos are being sued for is reporting on recent refugee camps on land and the navies involvement in human trafficking, nothing to do with 2008.

[kamahele]

I don't think CNN will be reporting on this during their one week in Thailand series this week... While every country must try to secure their borders, pushing boat people back out to sea, seems a dangerous option fraught with dangers for bad publicity. Italy is having this issue and after a huge wave of anti Italian sentiment on how they were handling the problem, have now taken a more humane approach. Not letting the migrants in but also not forcing them back out to perhaps die at sea.

[loongdavid]

December 2008 all over again!

1000 men, women and children towed out to the middle of the ocean. Engines removed. Food and water removed. No shelter. Then helplessly set adrift to die.

Thank you Thai navy.

Shame.

I may well have missed something here but just where does it suggest that the RTN would remove the engine(s) of the offending boat, remove food and water and then set the boat helplessly adrift for all to die? An interesting scenario but regrettably laced with falsehoods and hype.

[Robby nz]

Those howling how bad Thailand is should read a bit about these people that are arriving, the root cause and how and why they get here.

They are not coming here in small boats but ships of unscrupulous types who are charging them to bring them here.

They are ferried offshore from their homes in small boats to these ships waiting offshore and have to pay for their passage to what they are told is some sort of a welcome promised land.

The word PUSH is way off as it as it is used as an emotive thing, what is happening is that the ships are being denied entry and told to go back where they came from.

Perhaps you indignant types could suggest a sensible solution to this problem which is not of Thailand's making.

Here's an idea, how about each of you sponsoring a family and welcoming them into your home, na didn't think so.

[Alwyn]

Frankly i feel sorry for them as a human tragedy, because they lost every rights in Burma. But on the other hand, once they migrate and settle in a country, they start to build mosques and they will start their other business too. Only way to settle the issue is, Muslim majority countries like Malaysia or Indonesia should welcome them and settle them along side with them.

And yet the strongest Islamic country in the area and Burma's neighbour Bangladesh, don't want the Rohingya either. Tough situation for them

[Robby nz]

I don't think CNN will be reporting on this during their one week in Thailand series this week... While every country must try to secure their borders, pushing boat people back out to sea, seems a dangerous option fraught with dangers for bad publicity. Italy is having this issue and after a huge wave of anti Italian sentiment on how they were handling the problem, have now taken a more humane approach. Not letting the migrants in but also not forcing them back out to perhaps die at sea.

So what do you suggest, not letting them in, right, but they are arriving by sea, so how can you "not let them in" without turning them back or away in some direction or other on the sea ?

[wirat69]

Where I do feel some sympathy for the refugees as human beings, I cannot help but feel Thailand is doing the right thing. Muslims will not integrate, they have to dominate, and after taking from a host country...

The history of Muslim populations in Siam has not always been dissimilar... how many times were they "re-housed" in developing Bangkok? If I recall, development of Silom Road was once, in 1800's... another time they were relocated to the eastern sector later in the 19th century BCE... similar relocations took place up country, if I recall, late 19th, maybe as late as early 20th century BCE... without adding to the more modern issues in the southern provinces

I don't say whether it is right or wrong, just observing that integration goes further than token appointments of Muslim diplomats to each RTE worldwide.....

[masuk]

Again!! A new despicable act by inhumane Thais!!

Aren't the Aussies now doing the same thing, having been invaded by economic migrants for years?

Sydney is full of them - they arrive in droves and most go straight onto welfare, instantly qualifying for privileges that bona fide migrants have to wait years for.

Real refugees are one thing, economic migrants are another thing entirely. The Aussie approach is 'sorry, there are too many of you and we can't afford to settle and support you.'

Tony Abbott, Australia's prime minister, deploys the navy to "push" boats filled with asylum seekers heading for Australia back to Indonesian waters

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10555392/Australia-sends-in-its-navy-to-push-asylum-seeker-boats-back-to-Indonesia.html

As you can see, this news report is about 11 months old. A lot has happened in this time, but it pays to remember that the great majority of these migrants have been assisted out of Indonesia, often at the point of a policeman's gun.

The Indonesian Govt doesn't normally allow people to drift around their country. Everything was arranged, paid for and old one-way trip boats used from the East of the country, a long way from where they arrived..

To be fair to the Oz Govt, who are already assisting 10,000 legal refugees into the country, provided fully-stocked, sea worthy, motorised life boats for the illegals to return from where they came. Indonesia of course raised hell that the Oz Navy came too close, but the refugees were far safer in the life boats than they were in the old tubs they had been in.

There is also a plan in the system right now, to settle large numbers of legal refugees in Tasmania, which needs extra population. The scheme worked well with Hmong hill people who were given land and housing in Tasmania.

It has been 3 months since any boats have attempted this crossing from Indonesia.

[VINCENT2012]

in my opinion, people should not go abroad for asylum, never,... they should fight in their own country for their own right to be recognized...it is not going to the house of the neibourg that their problem will be resolved...!and when they do it masivly one or various nation has even more problem to absorb them for many good reasons, political, religion, language etc etc ...!but the worse thing is that the world do have economical or politic relation ship with government who create all those human desaster, and that is very criticable, also with the new globalisation system, governments should really start to make things the ethics way more than the economic way, because slowly but surely we are ruining our planet one way or another.

now tsunamis and huracans are not only from the weather we alterate, but we create exodus of people from many different places because of our stupid politic.

[jacky54]

Thailand does not get a lot right but they are with this. Deter these pests at all costs.

The narrowmindedness of some people scares me more than ISIL and Al Qaeda ever will!!

Just basic common sense, take them in and another 10 will turn up, take them in and the floodgates open. Thailand has every right to protect it's borders from economic migrants posing as asylum seekers. If the Rohingya want to claim asylum they should go to a Muslim country where they will be able to integrate, they could not in Burma and would not in Thailand. Thank goodness the Thais are not a soft touch like so many western countries, the UK should be a warning at what happens when the bleeding heart liberals get elected, that country has been ruined by mass immigration, 'asylum' seekers, visa over stayers, sham marriages, illegals arriving on the back of lorries, over a million at least in the last ten years. Well done Thailand, keep them OUT.

Edited November 11, 2014 by jacky54

[chotthee]

Again!! A new despicable act by inhumane Thais!!

Aren't the Aussies now doing the same thing, having been invaded by economic migrants for years?

Sydney is full of them - they arrive in droves and most go straight onto welfare, instantly qualifying for privileges that bona fide migrants have to wait years for.

Real refugees are one thing, economic migrants are another thing entirely. The Aussie approach is 'sorry, there are too many of you and we can't afford to settle and support you.'

Tony Abbott, Australia's prime minister, deploys the navy to "push" boats filled with asylum seekers heading for Australia back to Indonesian waters

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10555392/Australia-sends-in-its-navy-to-push-asylum-seeker-boats-back-to-Indonesia.html

Thailand Australia same same.

To make Thai people happy, Prayuth have to protect clean Thai people from invasion.

[CapeCobra]

Again!! A new despicable act by inhumane Thais!!

Aren't the Aussies now doing the same thing, having been invaded by economic migrants for years?

Sydney is full of them - they arrive in droves and most go straight onto welfare, instantly qualifying for privileges that bona fide migrants have to wait years for.

Real refugees are one thing, economic migrants are another thing entirely. The Aussie approach is 'sorry, there are too many of you and we can't afford to settle and support you.'

Tony Abbott, Australia's prime minister, deploys the navy to "push" boats filled with asylum seekers heading for Australia back to Indonesian waters

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10555392/Australia-sends-in-its-navy-to-push-asylum-seeker-boats-back-to-Indonesia.html

Ask anyone in the UK, and most would tell you that they wished that the same thing could be done with the droves of low grade migrants arriving from the ex-soviet states in Eastern Europe. Most go straight onto welfare, and there are packs of Roma gypsies sleeping rough, begging and stealing. The social services are straining to cope with lengthening waiting lists for schools, doctors and the like.

The EU is a salient example of what happens when economic migration taken to its unrestricted extreme, and it's not a pretty sight.

I don't blame Thailand for no wanting them over here. Allow a few in and next they'll arrive in droves.

I'm sorry that they are hard up, but Thailand can't support them all.

Ask anyone in the UK? OK, but don't limit your selection to xenophobic idiots. Truth is, the UK profits tremendously from migrant workers.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study

[rickirs]

Sorry Rohingyains but Thailand failed to gain membership to the UN Human Rights Council. So it no longer needs to show any concern towards boat people health and welfare.

[toooa]

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December 2008 all over again!

1000 men, women and children towed out to the middle of the ocean. Engines removed. Food and water removed. No shelter. Then helplessly set adrift to die.

Thank you Thai navy.

Shame.

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This is bad to send them back without engine. Thai authorities should negotiate with Malaysia and Indonesia to give a safe passage. I am not sure they will agree for that, that will fuel more and more illegal migrants. Most of them sail for a better life, that's why they risk their lives to come this direction. It is easier for them to sail to Bangladesh, though they are Muslim majority country, they put them in such a bad shaped camp, they will die from poor food supply and bad sanitation. That why Burmese Rohingya prefer to sail this way. Probably there should be better conditions for them in Bangladesh, so that they don't have to sail all the way here.

I feel the practice of religion allow them to have as many number of children they wanted, and once they grow too big population, they have every scarcity on the earth and obviously they have to look for new geographical location to live. Better they should go for volunteer family planning to keep their population in limit, so that they don't have to migrate to another country.

I am not against any religion or race, but with 7 billion ++ population every religion should think beyond their 1st or 7 century beliefs that allow them grow in any number of scale. Now in the world 1/3 person is Muslim, and growing in a exploding scale. If you take all the crisis in middle east is uncontrollable scale. Take Africa or Middle-east, Afghan, Pakistan every day 100's of people dying from bombings. They all Muslims, they die from sectarian violence. Then they migrate to another country and give problems in the adopted countries like US, France , Germany, UK, Sweden, Norway all struggling from Muslim immigrants. Most of the ISIL fighters are coming from these countries, and they are more aggressive then AL Qaida now. The World peace is very unbalanced now. I am not sure who will address this issue, moderate Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordon, or Turkey should take initiative to have better interpretation and teaching of religious concepts in a modern way to address the terrorism issues, so that everyone can live along side with a peace and religious harmony.

That's the IS plan on one level isn't it? Breed them out. Sexual Jihad. Doesn't matter if you crack a few eggs in the meantime....

[jacky54]

Ask anyone in the UK? OK, but don't limit your selection to xenophobic idiots. Truth is, the UK profits tremendously from migrant workers.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study

Only from the UE from the rest of the world it's over 100 billion deficit since 1995

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579689/How-immigrants-cost-Britain-140bn-1995-Study-contradicts-claims-immigration-helps-cut-taxes.html

Edited November 11, 2014 by jacky54

[simple1]

Thailand does not get a lot right but they are with this. Deter these pests at all costs.

The narrowmindedness of some people scares me more than ISIL and Al Qaeda ever will!!

Just basic common sense, take them in and another 10 will turn up, take them in and the floodgates open. Thailand has every right to protect it's borders from economic migrants posing as asylum seekers. If the Rohingya want to claim asylum they should go to a Muslim country where they will be able to integrate, they could not in Burma and would not in Thailand. Thank goodness the Thais are not a soft touch like so many western countries, the UK should be a warning at what happens when the bleeding heart liberals get elected, that country has been ruined by mass immigration, 'asylum' seekers, visa over stayers, sham marriages, illegals arriving on the back of lorries, over a million at least in the last ten years. Well done Thailand, keep them OUT.

Obtuse post.

The Rohingya are officially blocked from integrating into Burmese society, have been for decades.

None of the neighbouring Muslim countries (Malayasia, Indonesia and Bangladesh) welcome and assist the Rohingya to integrate and lead productive lives.

[jacky54]

Thailand does not get a lot right but they are with this. Deter these pests at all costs.

The narrowmindedness of some people scares me more than ISIL and Al Qaeda ever will!!

Just basic common sense, take them in and another 10 will turn up, take them in and the floodgates open. Thailand has every right to protect it's borders from economic migrants posing as asylum seekers. If the Rohingya want to claim asylum they should go to a Muslim country where they will be able to integrate, they could not in Burma and would not in Thailand. Thank goodness the Thais are not a soft touch like so many western countries, the UK should be a warning at what happens when the bleeding heart liberals get elected, that country has been ruined by mass immigration, 'asylum' seekers, visa over stayers, sham marriages, illegals arriving on the back of lorries, over a million at least in the last ten years. Well done Thailand, keep them OUT.

Obtuse post.

The Rohingya are officially blocked from integrating into Burmese society, have been for decades.

None of the neighbouring Muslim countries (Malayasia, Indonesia and Bangladesh) welcome and assist the Rohingya to integrate and lead productive lives.

well Thailand is just doing what Muslim countries do then, they are blocked from Thailand and quite right too, let their Muslim 'brothers' take them. Must say something about the rohinngya that even their own kind want noting to do with them, or does that say more about Islam?

Edited November 11, 2014 by jacky54

[Lupatria]

They are really working hard on their approach to get a say in the human rights panel...

[Bluespunk]

Just basic common sense, take them in and another 10 will turn up, take them in and the floodgates open. Thailand has every right to protect it's borders from economic migrants posing as asylum seekers. If the Rohingya want to claim asylum they should go to a Muslim country where they will be able to integrate, they could not in Burma and would not in Thailand. Thank goodness the Thais are not a soft touch like so many western countries, the UK should be a warning at what happens when the bleeding heart liberals get elected, that country has been ruined by mass immigration, 'asylum' seekers, visa over stayers, sham marriages, illegals arriving on the back of lorries, over a million at least in the last ten years. Well done Thailand, keep them OUT.

Obtuse post.

The Rohingya are officially blocked from integrating into Burmese society, have been for decades.

None of the neighbouring Muslim countries (Malayasia, Indonesia and Bangladesh) welcome and assist the Rohingya to integrate and lead productive lives.

well Thailand is just doing what Muslim countries do then, they are blocked from Thailand and quite right too, let their Muslim 'brothers' take them. Must say something about the rohinngya that even their own kind want noting to do with them, or does that say more about Islam?

They are as burmese as any other ethnic group that makes up the country. Over 40 of them I believe.