A complete tale of woe

[rayongchelsea]

What's the choice if you get old normally?

In Farang countries, you live in a house that actually belongs to a bank.

In Thailand, you live in a house that actually belongs to your lady.

I prefer the lady.

As long as the lady hangs around.

Many own their houses before they are 55 years of age in the uk and are wealthy to boot.

I know which is the more secure.

Not everybody who gets old normally is poor.

It's a nuts scenario to be old, living in a house where you have no rights and could be out after a wife meltdown..at least have a backup plan!

[robblok]

When are these old men going to realise that they haven't found love. They are used to fund a better life.

Nonsense

She is right in the majority of cases you might bel an exception.

Its just a rent thing..guys give money the girl pretends loven and often has some lovers.

Some exceptions of course but like the lottery not many win.

I have no problems with smart guys who make sure the girl cant fleece them and gives them a salary.

For those who think its love and not a financial agreement stop giving money for a few months and see how it ends.

[nontabury]

When are these old men going to realise that they haven't found love. They are used to fund a better life.

Nonsense

The same time when younger men realise they also may not have found real love.

[robblok]

I am 76 with a 25 year old. Been together for 3 years now. Lay it on the table when you first meet them. I told her that she gets hers after I am gone. This is in my will. She gets so much a month now part of which goes to the parents. Despite our age we get along great. She is a good person no smoking drinking or partying. Movie lover like me.

You are a paedofile and a disgusting man. I have daughters. I hope you don't.

We wish you didn't procreate at all because we can only assume your off spring will be brought up with your prejudices

No he has a right to say that . It's not prejuidice it is a very emotional point of view. My daughter is close to your wife's age, and would never contemplate marrying someone who is as old as her grandparents..she has no economic need to..that is always the driving force..I personally as will many many others find it uncomfortable, but it's a live and live world out there..you must recognize that this point of view is thrown at you everyday if only silently..and impacts your wife..you don't live in a bubble..your wife will have many thai comments directed at her..you will be oblivious.

Not exactly right... pedophile is not the term. That is far too insulting and not true. Pedophiles like them far younger. I think most guys would love to have sex with a younger girl not many are fool enough to believe its love (with a few exceptions its just financial)

[kerrysum]

And the purpose of this thread is what now? The usual suspects will be along to denigrate 'spring & autumn' relationships, old and fat farangs, hookers, the perpetual fools and their money, bar stools, the sage advice not to invest any more than you can afford to lose (replete with "it's not rocket science"), the perpetual admonition that you can take the girl out of the bar but... etc., etc., etc..

Did I miss anything?

No, not at all....

You hit it right on the dime.....

[BritManToo]

I am 76 with a 25 year old. Been together for 3 years now. Lay it on the table when you first meet them. I told her that she gets hers after I am gone. This is in my will. She gets so much a month now part of which goes to the parents. Despite our age we get along great. She is a good person no smoking drinking or partying. Movie lover like me.

You are a paedofile and a disgusting man. I have daughters. I hope you don't.

We wish you didn't procreate at all because we can only assume your off spring will be brought up with your prejudices

No he has a right to say that . It's not prejuidice it is a very emotional point of view. My daughter is close to your wife's age, and would never contemplate marrying someone who is as old as her grandparents..she has no economic need to..that is always the driving force..I personally as will many many others find it uncomfortable, but it's a live and live world out there..you must recognize that this point of view is thrown at you everyday if only silently..and impacts your wife..you don't live in a bubble..your wife will have many thai comments directed at her..you will be oblivious.

I'd rather my 18 year old daughter was knocked up by a rich American 70 year old than a poor Thai 20 year old.

(given the choice I'd prefer she was never touched at all, but that isn't reality)

[Strangebrew]

I say Each to his own I not here to live to your likes nor are you here to live up to mine. In plain English Mind your own business. You might be happy hitting those 17 year old hookers with Aid's and he's more in to vintage model, The 2x4 type or the Maid is wife's sister and a hottie who know's who care's?

[micmichd]

Try the same with your beloved wife or family at home, they will expropriate you and hand you over to their beloved welfare system where they give you the rest.

Expats may dream of a better life, so you don't call them nuts when they are consequent.

I am an orphan in my Farang country, without my social network in Thailand I would probably be dead. Who are you to judge?

[robblok]

Try the same with your beloved wife or family at home, they will expropriate you and hand you over to their beloved welfare system where they give you the rest.

Expats may dream of a better life, so you don't call them nuts when they are consequent.

I am an orphan in my Farang country, without my social network in Thailand I would probably be dead. Who are you to judge?

My family at home I never give money same for girls back home we always shared cost even in Thailand I only had girls that paid their way. Of course if i wanted a 19yo coyote dancer I would have to pay. But I am smart enough to understand it would not be love.. it would be an financial agreement she might pretend love and fake I am the best in bed but meanwhile she was would probably be thinking of some guy her own age and wondering when the next paycheck was coming.

Now there might be some girls where it becomes true love.. same like sometimes you win the lottery but we all know how big those chances are.

I know for sure that if I am old I would still like younger girls and would not mind paying. I would make sure that they would get a "salary" like so many members give to their girl and not give her access to all my wealth or ways to seperate me from my money.

So I am not judging at all I would probably do the same as the smart guys do. I only find it foolish to think that a relation based on finance is anything else as that (in the majority of the cases, there will always be some exceptions)

If you read here on Thaivisa you will see how often it happens that a guy gets killed for money or run out of the house he paid for. To compare that with paying your ex back in your former country is totally different. There they have rights and you know what your getting into (here you can do the same by just paying a salary)

[maidee]

one thing to scrape of his (ph)ucket list

[CharlieH]

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[CharlieH]

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[micmichd]

After my experience, a relationship between an elderly Farang and a Thai lady younger than him is a taboo in Europe.

You better run for your life if you break a taboo.

[micmichd]

I would really like to learn more about Farang women's attitudes in this matter. Are there any around?

[loppylugs1]

I am 76 with a 25 year old. Been together for 3 years now. Lay it on the table when you first meet them. I told her that she gets hers after I am gone. This is in my will. She gets so much a month now part of which goes to the parents. Despite our age we get along great. She is a good person no smoking drinking or partying. Movie lover like me.

Classic Pre-Baby Boomer attitude right there. I hope you feel proud of yourself as you throw your legacy down the drain, I know that your ancestors are probably ready to kick some ass when they get hold of ya'

Some of us have no ancestors to speak of or give a rats ass about. I ma 67 with a 29 year old wife married her as a virgin university education and no family she gives a hoot about. She became a citizen of my country last year and since moving back to Thailand she aches to move back to my country where she once worked and enjoyed her own money as she has a designer goods mentality. Been married 5 years now and my 3rd marriage and she is the best considerate partner friend and lover I ever had. I speak to her about pensions and wills and she says she wants nothing when I croak. She says give it to your daughter that I have and hardly know. I have done as she asked and I have a stranger called daughter in for a surprise at by death. BTW am on 3 pensions and still work for a living. Home office consulting for the company I have always worked for Medical insurance for both intact.

It's quite simple, you take care of your 'house' back home in farang land, even if they are the lowest of the low as you say they deserve something.

Now here's what I think of you old man :-

You're a disgrace and an old fool.

They are happy and comfortable while the gold rolls in, but when the money runs dry (not in your case so soon in all likelihood), they'll cast you out 9 times out of 10 onto the bones of your arse. Thai people are often more corrupted by the west than farang are by the east imho. At least the ones I've seen that return after a few years.

Now you baby-boomers typically have it the best out of the post WW2 generations - you got wealthy, usually you worked pretty hard BUT you got the gold-plated pensions that can't be replicated by the successive generations. Now the younger fools out there that try and copycat your behavior I really feel sorry for! Unlike you, they don't have gold-plated pensions to rake in the coin and live high off their back!

You have it right there. Yes lucky I guess,but Fred was a pre baby boomer.

There are some quotes here that are to be honest insane. I would say though I knew Fred and and the efforts to ensnare him,she often quoted that Fred makes her physically sick, even feigning sickness when he was around her

Basically now a prisoner miles from anywhere,he undoubtedly will be disposed of,and not dumped in Bangkok,the scheming Thai woman will keep him alive just for his pension,she will by this time have all of his details. Even when she decides to bump him off he still will be alive until "proof of life" for pension purposes is asked for

Nothing can be done for him,he is physically and mentally impaired. In his home country the police or the very least social services would have long been involved not just for Fred but the baby as well.

Think for me this thread has run its course. Anyone interested in Fred can PM me and will see if his remaining contact in the UK will participate,and forward their contact details,Ill ask anyway see if the contact is obliging

[giddyup]

After my experience, a relationship between an elderly Farang and a Thai lady younger than him is a taboo in Europe.

You better run for your life if you break a taboo.

What happens, they get burned at the stake? Don't be ridiculous.

[micmichd]

They keep you alive because of your pension. Good deal, I want to live.

[micmichd]

I'm really getting upset about this, and I feel like coming out.

That would really hurt, but someone posted about Farang ancestors. Here are mine:

A German SS General who was part of Operation Tannenberg, ie the beginning of World War II, my uncle.

A German refugee with Asian roots, stuck between the Nazis and the Red Army in World War II Germany, my mother.

And right now, my GF managed to get money for gas somehow - not my money, btw.

[rayongchelsea]

When are these old men going to realise that they haven't found love. They are used to fund a better life.

Nonsense

The same time when younger men realise they also may not have found real love.

Yes but they have time to recover and learn and are not all in in terms of wealth, dependency, out in the sticks, other issues such as health to encumber them.

[thehelmsman]

We went to my lady's friends house for a little party. She's about 33 or so married to a thai who's 65, they have a 18 mo. old baby together. She's not his lady on the side but his wife. So, it's not just farang who have younger ladies here in Thailand. She seems genuinely happy. The guy has his own blue collar business and is a good provider.

If the OP is worried then do something or mind his own business. posting on here is only good for the readers entertainment.

[micmichd]

I was forced by Farang bank to do exactly this.

My Thai family gave me credit when no Farang ever cared.

[micmichd]

This whole thing looks like a clash of generations to me. Those old enough to face Alzheimer's disease or dementia, and those young enough to think they can go on living like before.

If you face Alzheimer or dementia, why should you care about your past?

Fact is:

In Thailand they respect you when you are old, in Farang countries they regard you as trash.

[Beetlejuice]

I would really like to learn more about Farang women's attitudes in this matter. Are there any around?

I think we already know what the western perspectives are towards middle-aged and elderly men. That once men reach 50 they should retire off the scene gracefully, settle down at home and become invisible out in public. It is strictly considered as taboo for men 50 and over to even look at younger women, let alone having any forms of relationships with them, with the exceptions being, the more prominent guys that have vast amounts of wealth, such as high profile business men, celebrities and those high ups in the establishments. In the States and Britain aging male celebs are almost seen as expected to become involved with women many years junior than themselves, that is excused because of their status and wealth, so therefore believed it must be OK because somehow these guys are entitled to break the politically correct rules for being high archivers. If the women of western society dare become involved with elder men, they too would be looked down upon as some sorts of gold diggers, probably shunned within their own circles unless the guys were of high prominence and wealth, then the women would be told; well done. But for the rest of us peasants would just be considered as disgusting, dirty old men if we even attempt to let our hair down a bit and seek happiness towards the dawning of our old age. Even attempting to have a young outlook can be regarded as senile behaviour and told to act our ages.

The problem for single aging farangs that are financially comfortable but not rich in Thailand is that the money they have is not enough to give them absolute stability, in other words whatever assets they have is it, they cannot afford to lose any of what they already have, meaning, that if they decide to ply their resources into projects or relationships that eventually fail to work, then they end up cooking their own goose, there are no ways to replenish and recuperate their financially losses, so in fact what these guys are doing is taking a gamble on a dream and a hope and a prayer that things will work out and they won’t be left high and dry and destitute. And this is a state of affairs that the guys should understand and take into consideration prior to jumping in at the deep end, the reality, not living in some sort of cloud cuckoo land, something like the TV series, the Little House On The Prairie where all the stories have happy endings, as sadly real life can hold many more negatives than positives that is why we need to use common sense, without getting paranoid but rather treading carefully and never trusting anything at face value, plus of course never placing all your eggs in one basket.

[micmichd]

Totally agree.

But old men usually only have one basket left, and most of them are actually orphans.

[weegee]

78 years old & still breathing and living in Thailand.

These things alone are enough reason to be happy.

New house,

new vehicle,

new baby,

and a Thai woman almost 40 years younger than him!

These are icing on the cake!

The man should be very happy.

It's not his house

It's not his car

It's not his baby

The woman leaves him alone with another man's baby for days at a time while she goes out and screws her boyfriends

He will be kicked out on his ass if not murdered when thinks she has gotten all she can from him

WOW your comment is a stretch.

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Harsh, but not a stretch by any means.

Just ask Weegee.

HEY! i am ok !.....

[weegee]

Harsh, but not a stretch by any means.

Just ask Weegee.

Who"s Weegee? This is not his posting.

He got shafted big time just recently. The whole clan ran him out of town and tried to steal everything.

Bloody hell...that wasnt me. It was the guy we helped.....I AM FINE (so far )

Edited November 20, 2014 by weegee

[benalibina]

Harsh, but not a stretch by any means.

Just ask Weegee.

Who"s Weegee? This is not his posting.

He got shafted big time just recently. The whole clan ran him out of town and tried to steal everything.

Bloody hell...that wasnt me. It was the guy we helped.....I AM FINE (so far )

Yes...updates please.

[weegee]

NO updates sorry....lets respect the guys privacy....

He is fine.

[CharlieH]

A number of off topic posts removed

[Patsycat]

I would really like to learn more about Farang women's attitudes in this matter. Are there any around?

I say, each to their own. But if Fred is in any way in danger - then his friends and family should step in. Perhaps the OP should take the time to visit Fred and then report back to Fred's family of his concerns. He should also try and get Fred to do a DNA test.

This could very easily turn into the same scenario as WeeGee's mate. I hope not.

As far as men in general are concerned - they never cease to amuse me with some of their antics. But, on the whole, i enjoy their company.