Popular Post Crazy chef 1 Posted November 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2014 as an observation. i have a team of 27 chefs and 19 are women who are doing a great job are reliable and great colleagues. the only problems i have is with my boys, coming late or don't show up to work,hide and sleep somewhere, don't do the work as instructed, staying around and chatting and have to be constantly monitored. also our management team are mostly woman just the chief engineer and me are the only two males . whenever i go around in our town i see the ladies working and the guys sitting,chatting or drinking... quiet curious why it is like this... may it is confessed to my area though i would like to read your observations. ...and not about your observations around Nana,Bangla,Cowboy,green mango and so on...i talk about real work. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HeijoshinCool Posted November 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) Because when it comes to work, men are the spineless of Thailand. EDIT: Stupid spellchecker Edited November 23, 2014 by HeijoshinCool 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pgrahmm Posted November 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) Yes...noticed that both here and PI - the women are the back bone of society......a lot of the men work hard too (maybe behind the scene so not noticed as much) but the ones that seem to build and sustain success are the women..... A lot of the men are prima donnas - which is one reason some western/Thai relationships have problems I believe - the women are used to serving/having passive men - when a westerner is too independent thinking, demanding, vocal it screws up the hard wiring/life's programming and makes the woman doubt herself/standing/place..... Edited November 23, 2014 by pgrahmm 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Experience the same, generally the female staff are far more reliable, competent and trustworthy. Other than our Head Chef and Head of engineering, all the other heads of departments are female. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy chef 1 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 Because when it come to work, men are the spineless of Thailand. ...and when it comes to keeping promises ...reliability ...responsibility(especially after impregnating the girl) ...parenting and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisb Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Do these men listen to Wu tang clan when they drink? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy chef 1 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 Do these men listen to Wu tang clan when they drink? another kind of-it's called morlum...more beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy chef 1 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 Experience the same, generally the female staff are far more reliable, competent and trustworthy. Other than our Head Chef and Head of engineering, all the other heads of departments are female. what do you mean-are they useless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geronimo Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Totally in agreement with this. It seems the gender given all the opportunities are not the ones that develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Experience the same, generally the female staff are far more reliable, competent and trustworthy. Other than our Head Chef and Head of engineering, all the other heads of departments are female.what do you mean-are they useless? Actually have a great staff team, weeded out the dross a few years ago, mainly lazy, incompetent and dishonest "male managers" and replaced them with honest, reliable and competent individuals. Our head Chef and Head of Engineering are both male, and have worked with me for over two years, they are good people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crazy chef 1 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2014 Experience the same, generally the female staff are far more reliable, competent and trustworthy. Other than our Head Chef and Head of engineering, all the other heads of departments are female.what do you mean-are they useless? Actually have a great staff team, weeded out the dross a few years ago, mainly lazy, incompetent and dishonest "male managers" and replaced them with honest, reliable and competent individuals. Our head Chef and Head of Engineering are both male, and have worked with me for over two years, they are good people. though it seems to be a common thing here in Thailand.when i started a few years back here 80% of my staff were males who didn't want to keep up with my style of working...they are all gone and i am happy now with my girlie club...and grateful that my understanding of Thai language is minimal god bless the ladies in Thailand... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post willyumiii Posted November 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) In Thailand,the men are the Roosters. They strut, they crow, they use the women as they like. The women get down to business and take care of family and life's daily needs present and future. Yes, the men are the roosters....you might call them a bunch of cocks! This may be why so many Thai women I know do not want a Thai man and are constantly asking if I know of any good farang men they could meet. Edited November 23, 2014 by willyumiii 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crazy chef 1 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2014 read in another topic a few days back a pretty harsh comment: "Thai man are the laziest life form on earth" harsh-but somehow true... but i think they are not born like this,the woman/grandparents spoil them to much and the result is this kind of male (work)force... my one will also be a boy-but parented in a similar way as i got brought up... extras are not for free... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 We have mostly men in the company. All hard working, coming exactly at the right time, never drunk, very reliable. We had to fire a couple of women for being unreliable or making troubles. I guess it is up to luck and profession.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ATF Posted November 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2014 I wish some people on this forum would stop categorizing Thais into one single group. There are many hard working businessmen and women out there working hard every day but most people have very little contact with these people. The working classes are the same in all countries, out drinking at night, lazy and living for the weekend. They all have employee mentality which is why they are employees. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyumiii Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I wish some people on this forum would stop categorizing Thais into one single group. There are many hard working businessmen and women out there working hard every day but most people have very little contact with these people. The working classes are the same in all countries, out drinking at night, lazy and living for the weekend. They all have employee mentality which is why they are employees. ATF, you make me wonder just what country you come from. Your name , ATF, makes me suspect it is my country, USA. Where I come from a man with a decent job needs to be "on his game" to keep his job. There is always some ambitious guy waiting for a chance to get your job. If you falter, he gets it! Guys who are " out drinking at night" do not perform very well in the day time at work. Lazy guys do not last long. Weekends? Many work weekends as well, just to keep that edge needed to stay on top. Lazy, drinkers who live for the weekend never get very far in my country! Like any country , my country has it's bottom feeders as well. They usually end up flipping burgers or mopping floors, if they are employed at all. Unlike Thailand with it's claimed "100% employment" for Thais (6 people working a shift at a 7/11 that is done by 1 or 2 in the U.S. or three guys in a delivery truck, one to drive one to unload and one to fill out the invoice) In the U.S.there is no security in knowing that even if you do so poorly you get fired, you can find a job that pays the same, ( 300 thb, or $10 per day) the next day. Thailand is some what unique in it methods of discouraging motivation, ambition, responsibility and quality. As far as your comment about categorizing Thais into a single group, they are a single group, a nationality and culture unlike any other. I love Thailand and I like most Thai people, but they are different. Often it is those differences that I love and that convince me to stay here. Choke dee! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATF Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I wish some people on this forum would stop categorizing Thais into one single group. There are many hard working businessmen and women out there working hard every day but most people have very little contact with these people. The working classes are the same in all countries, out drinking at night, lazy and living for the weekend. They all have employee mentality which is why they are employees. ATF, you make me wonder just what country you come from. Your name , ATF, makes me suspect it is my country, USA. Where I come from a man with a decent job needs to be "on his game" to keep his job. There is always some ambitious guy waiting for a chance to get your job. If you falter, he gets it! Guys who are " out drinking at night" do not perform very well in the day time at work. Lazy guys do not last long. Weekends? Many work weekends as well, just to keep that edge needed to stay on top. Lazy, drinkers who live for the weekend never get very far in my country! Like any country , my country has it's bottom feeders as well. They usually end up flipping burgers or mopping floors, if they are employed at all. Unlike Thailand with it's claimed "100% employment" for Thais (6 people working a shift at a 7/11 that is done by 1 or 2 in the U.S. or three guys in a delivery truck, one to drive one to unload and one to fill out the invoice) In the U.S.there is no security in knowing that even if you do so poorly you get fired, you can find a job that pays the same, ( 300 thb, or $10 per day) the next day. Thailand is some what unique in it methods of discouraging motivation, ambition, responsibility and quality. As far as your comment about categorizing Thais into a single group, they are a single group, a nationality and culture unlike any other. I love Thailand and I like most Thai people, but they are different. Often it is those differences that I love and that convince me to stay here. Choke dee! Maybe I should have said blue collar workers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Nuddy Posted November 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2014 I would not dare compare Thai women with women from other countries. Thailand is quite unique I reckon as the women are strong and are problem solvers. I have been to be known as saying that once the men discover their appendage down below that women don't have they play with is so miuch that by age 12 years they are quite useless. I know quite a few wealthy Thai business men around where I live and I notice that quietly the wife of said business man runs the show from behind the scenes without appearing so. I agree with the OP with 19 out of 27 he will eventually probably increase the number of women and reduce the men and quite likely actually end up with a more efficient operation with less overall staff. Most of the women don't drink for a starter!. And they look past today to a future income. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemguy Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) Yes.....true to an extent However my wife works with mostly other women in her management position and many of them are lazy and incompentent....as compared to a standard that anyone could use as a measure of performance.....and theses are girls all having an education and a university degree that seemingly comes with an "uppity attitude" of social status entitlement. But you are correct, as most foreigners do agree they will have less problems and more productivity and a mentality of responsibility with female workers while middle management positions are key to getting the other workers to comply and do what needs to be done. One friend telling me his best middle management people were Lesbian Thai Women who were not afraid to lay down the rules and keep everyone in line and kept everyone accountable and keeping the workers busy. They would fire a lazy worker first, before he had the chance to fire them, while announcing to the Boss ( Him) ...."We need more workers because I just fired the no good ones" Cheers Edited November 23, 2014 by gemguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOMeTOM Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I always thought they were the black holes of this part of the universe....where a more scientific approach is required to avoid being sucked in and disappear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarZaidMD Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 In Thailand,the men are the Roosters. They strut, they crow, they use the women as they like. The women get down to business and take care of family and life's daily needs present and future. Yes, the men are the roosters....you might call them a bunch of cocks! This may be why so many Thai women I know do not want a Thai man and are constantly asking if I know of any good farang men they could meet. My wife was a widow early on, raised her two children on her own because she refused to 'take a chance' with Thai men and her kids. She never considered for a moment marrying a falang, but it happened -- 'thank God' says happy old man. I have limited experience with Thai men, but I do see a stratification and differentiation at a certain level of education and professionalism. Nevertheless, the chauvinist streak is there and it seems thai women are always on the defense (which mainly means 'offense;) when it comes to managing their menfolk. I truly don;'t envy them and as a doc, understand why they develop the many chronic complaints that accompany stress. I dunno what it is about the Thai man these days but I've seen several examples of stolid manhood in the older generation up north. There's an element of gelding that takes place with the economic pressures and that doesn't help across the board. Nevertheless, something seems to provide an excuse for the general lethargic approach to manhood here accompanied by overcompensating, often violently drunken responses to perceived insults. Seems to be getting worse and the dumbed-down new generation is becoming less self-sufficient and more dangerous by the day. Again, I have to say, be careful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcrab Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) I wish some people on this forum would stop categorizing Thais into one single group. There are many hard working businessmen and women out there working hard every day but most people have very little contact with these people. The working classes are the same in all countries, out drinking at night, lazy and living for the weekend. They all have employee mentality which is why they are employees. ATF, you make me wonder just what country you come from. Your name , ATF, makes me suspect it is my country, USA. Where I come from a man with a decent job needs to be "on his game" to keep his job. There is always some ambitious guy waiting for a chance to get your job. If you falter, he gets it! Guys who are " out drinking at night" do not perform very well in the day time at work. Lazy guys do not last long. Weekends? Many work weekends as well, just to keep that edge needed to stay on top. Lazy, drinkers who live for the weekend never get very far in my country! Like any country , my country has it's bottom feeders as well. They usually end up flipping burgers or mopping floors, if they are employed at all. Unlike Thailand with it's claimed "100% employment" for Thais (6 people working a shift at a 7/11 that is done by 1 or 2 in the U.S. or three guys in a delivery truck, one to drive one to unload and one to fill out the invoice) In the U.S.there is no security in knowing that even if you do so poorly you get fired, you can find a job that pays the same, ( 300 thb, or $10 per day) the next day. Thailand is some what unique in it methods of discouraging motivation, ambition, responsibility and quality. As far as your comment about categorizing Thais into a single group, they are a single group, a nationality and culture unlike any other. I love Thailand and I like most Thai people, but they are different. Often it is those differences that I love and that convince me to stay here. Choke dee! Maybe I should have said blue collar workers? Maybe you should have said " I am so good and everybody else is crap". And "it's all their fault". Wake up to yourself mate - the term "blue collar" worker is an anachronism from another century. Maybe thats why your apparent attitude and management style is so lacking. To Crazy Chef If you can't manage poor performance - you can't manage. It may also explain why you have, presumably, been posted to South East Asia. Sounds like one of the women should have your job. Edited November 23, 2014 by Mudcrab 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybuz Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Maybe I should have said blue collar workers? Oh well i suppose somebody has to build the houses the cars the roads ,bridges,white goods televisions and such for the elite of society the white collar workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinmaew Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 You are correct that is my observation as well. Although I had to thank a Thai man on two times when my motorbike tyres burst, who else would fix this a bird? no way otherwise it would have ruined my day. But aside from that I suppose we cant generalize a lot of Thai men also work very hard but I just guess we always see the Mae Ka working 24/7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATF Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Maybe I should have said blue collar workers? Maybe you should have said " I am so good and everybody else is crap". And "it's all their fault". Wake up to yourself mate - the term "blue collar" worker is an anachronism from another century. Maybe thats why your apparent attitude and management style is so lacking. It may also explain why you have, presumably, been posted to South East Asia. If you can't manage poor performance - you can't manage. Sounds like one of the women should have your job. Fortunately I don't need to work anymore but after employing over a thousand people they basically fall into two types. Those that are doing the job to open their own company and become a competitor and those that are just doing as little as possible to exist. I expect the Chef gets a lot of the former category. People who want to learn but not work. I must agree I was never a good manager but I always encouraged people who wanted to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parmo2 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) In every society since the start of human existence, women have been parasites from men. Men have always kept women alive, they did not have to. To declare "Thai women are the spine of thailand" based on chefs is pathetic. Western single mother underclass is producing more and more emasculated men, and I must presume the OP is one. Pedastalising women and encouraging them to bypass male authority and compete with men is a great great disaster. btw all the world's great chefs are male. Thai women are entitled hypergamous princesses who think they have a right to a man's income. They do not behave in a respectful way. They all choose easy studies and cushy office jobs in aircon office. A "right" to work for women but a man is Obligated to work. And all these silly girls just create more work for men ultimately. Edited November 23, 2014 by parmo2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1Str8 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Because of their culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The spine of Burma, Africa and many other 3rd world countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thailiketoo Posted November 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2014 My staff are all lady boys. As reliable as women but can do heavy lifting. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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