Prosecutors claim case against Koh Tao Myanmar pair is solid: source

[thailandchilli]

Man says police beat him after he declined to be witness in Koh Tao murder case http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/4373

Says it all really.

Man makes allegation. Not willing to proceed and have action taken against police. Certainly says it all, doesn't it? Never forget, any one can make an allegation, but to be proven, factual evidence must sustain what is alleged.

Police allegedly offer him B700,000.00 to give false testimony. And you believe it? I thought, according to the allegations of many on here, they sought bribes, not paid them. Are we now having a bet each way?

It may only be an allegation, but it's a serious one. I've never seen anywhere that the RTP denied the allegation, have you? Maybe the taxi driver (not having a death wish) decided not to take action against RTP, as it would be only his word against theirs.? Would be very interesting if the defence lawyer is able to produce the taxi driver as a witness to a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, always assuming the man is still drawing breath.

If the allegation is true and he was also beaten up, then he's not likely to head straight back to them to make an official complaint! What he did do however was go to the one person who he sees as Authority ie the local head man who once he was aware could probably provide a form of protection

[BritTim]

Reported by a source.. Why not by the prosecutors themselves?

Anonymous sources are easy to disavow, if necessary, later.

[johncat1]

"Procedures followed by investigators are also in line with laws..."

Erm - yes - of course they are - we would expect no less from law enforcement anywhere in the world!

"At first, they just charged the two Myanmar suspects with illegally entering Thailand."

Ok- so you pick up the two suspects with something totally unrelated to the crime - but amazingly, - hey presto - these 2 illegal migrants were actually THE MURDERERS!! Wow - what a convenient coincidence!

"Murder charges have been pressed only after solid evidence emerged against them," the prosecutor was quoted as saying."

Reeeeealllly?!!!!

I for one can't wait to see this solid evidence.

Unless I missed something. has anyone asked who these illegal immigrants worked for?

They were playing guitar and singing euro songs and the third roommate said they were asleep peacefully in the early hours of the morning.

If forensic tests had of been done on then and the place they lived surely signs of a rumble would of been found.

Not the mood you would have been in singing songs then suddenly comitting a brutal murder.

The picture I looked at (published in Brittish newspaper) of the man seen running away from the crime scene looks like the you know who ,who had a DNA test in front of the media.

These boys should be represented by a decent independent international lawyer not a paid puppet, who would as we all know tear this farce to bits in five minutes.

Meanwhile most of the bars in Thailand are empty, the tourist industry is suffering the country's reputation is down the gurgler this will not go away until the police stop acting for the mongrel gangsters who now ruin thailand.

Every expat I talk to believes that the Burmese are scapegoats everyone in Brittain the same, Australia , New Zealand , America, ect ect the same the whole world is looking at the RTP in disgust.

If PM Prayut continues to stand by the RTP and does not question their actions his political career will be a very short one.

Thais may forget but Westerners never will. This will never go away until the Thai government and police are open. But as we know it is all about not losing face and a Thai will never admit they are wrong even when the evidence is so overwhelming against them.

[joebrown]

Man says police beat him after he declined to be witness in Koh Tao murder case http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/4373

Says it all really.

Man makes allegation. Not willing to proceed and have action taken against police. Certainly says it all, doesn't it? Never forget, any one can make an allegation, but to be proven, factual evidence must sustain what is alleged.

Police allegedly offer him B700,000.00 to give false testimony. And you believe it? I thought, according to the allegations of many on here, they sought bribes, not paid them. Are we now having a bet each way?

It may only be an allegation, but it's a serious one. I've never seen anywhere that the RTP denied the allegation, have you? Maybe the taxi driver (not having a death wish) decided not to take action against RTP, as it would be only his word against theirs.? Would be very interesting if the defence lawyer is able to produce the taxi driver as a witness to a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, always assuming the man is still drawing breath.

If the allegation is true and he was also beaten up, then he's not likely to head straight back to them to make an official complaint! What he did do however was go to the one person who he sees as Authority ie the local head man who once he was aware could probably provide a form of protection

I can see why the taxi driver wouldn't go back to the police for protection. However, if he went to seek shelter from any 'headman' on the Samui archipelago, is that any better guarantee of his safety??????????

[jdinasia]

The evil being perpetrated by the police and prosecutors is beyond belief. They are knowingly and willingly(for whatever reasons - be it cash, currying favors with superiors) attempting to murder the 2 Burmese scapegoats. After the scapegoats have been released and compensated, I expect all uniforms associated with this pathetic farce of a coverup to face severe charges of attempted murder for sending innocent persons to a potential death sentence.

I have kept a log of names of all officials that are complicit here in this case. Justice will be served, although it is not yet clear through what channel. My money would be on vigilantes detaining and "having a chat" with some of the bent officials to discover the truth, and then some sort of fitting punishment meted out. For the record, nobody is above vigilante justice due to birthrights.

You made a list of people who you think warrant vigilante justice? What should the punishment be for that?

[mercman24]

going over old ground i know, as to "witness" what about the taxi driver "witness" who refused to "play ball" respect to you sir whoever you are, he was not a witness at all, this just STINKS.

[siampolee]

Si Theo01 post # 98.

Well said. I always wonder why it is when they cannot give a clear argument they have get personal. It only highlights that he is unable to prosecute his argument in an intellectual manner and has to resort to being abusive and making false statements.

You've epitomized the Beetlejuice posting style succinctly.

[Bakseeda]

It's going to be exciting, how they use that DNA "evidence" - taking into consideration, that the crime scene, was totally destroyed on the first day. Everyone could see that, from the first photos, also exciting with the "the DNA is not Asian" comments by the police.

I really can't see, how these two boys can get a fair trail....

It wont be as exciting as you think. They will never let reporters into court to see the farce.

Who is going to stop the reporters.... the case will be held in an open courtroom, you and I can both go.... and all the reporters that can squeeze in.... Is it possible TV can run a short IQ test before posters are allowed to post. But might not be so much fun.

[kiwikeith]

It's going to be exciting, how they use that DNA "evidence" - taking into consideration, that the crime scene, was totally destroyed on the first day. Everyone could see that, from the first photos, also exciting with the "the DNA is not Asian" comments by the police.

I really can't see, how these two boys can get a fair trail....

It wont be as exciting as you think. They will never let reporters into court to see the farce.

Who is going to stop the reporters.... the case will be held in an open courtroom, you and I can both go.... and all the reporters that can squeeze in.... Is it possible TV can run a short IQ test before posters are allowed to post. But might not be so much fun.

Can someone post the picture of the man caught on cctv franticaly running from the crime scene.

The crime scene contaminated! this should be the end of the matter, what about the first lawyer to see the boys did he not say? "the boys were badly bruised when he saw them" , then he is thrown off the case.

The pic I saw was in the Daily I think but not sure it was on TV earlier on but not seen since.

Also have the RTP not heard that the locals on Koh Toh all know who did this but to afraid to talk.

Can a News team go undercover and interview a few (masked of course) A news team from NZ went to Chiang Mai and took samples from the room where the Kiwis and a few others died of mystery disease (poisen bed bug spray from cheap charlie) but still the perpertators walked.

I'm afraid Prayut if you read these posts that you busted a few big police with billions of bht are you to afraid to bust this murdering gang ruining Thailand?

[kiwikeith]

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[Monkeysee]

As long as nobody loses face, in due course everything will be swept under the rug and forgotten. We can then all look forward to the next comical act in the kingdom, broadcasting on a news network near you.

[BritManToo]

They obviously have something up their sleeve. The RTP are not as stupid as many make them out to be.

I predict a double suicide.

[kiwikeith]

They obviously have something up their sleeve. The RTP are not as stupid as many make them out to be.

I predict a double suicide.

Friend , you took the words right out of my mouth!

[Loles]

But, what still I don't understand:

1. - They have taken DNA samples from the baker's dog too, and these Burmese guys come to the view almost at begin, so why had to wait for their DNA test result later?

2. - Where is those guy who had run in the victim's shorts caught by CCTV ? This line got silent later.

[kiwikeith]

But, what still I don't understand:

1. - They have taken DNA samples from the baker's dog too, and these Burmese guys come to the view almost at begin, so why had to wait for their DNA test result later?

2. - Where is those guy who had run in the victim's shorts caught by CCTV ? This line got silent later.

The guy in your point 2/ His pic is in the Brittish newspapers a very clear picture so why are the Brittish police quiet on this, this is the most outstanding piece of evidence from cctv. I saw the pic while surfing on google yesterday but did not bookmark the page it is there.

From my observation it looks to me like the same person who was paraded in BK having a DNA test in front of the media.

Remember the OJ simpson case the glove did not fit!

The footprint does not fit and the cctv image dont look like the burmese boys.

Boys were held for 6 week so their bruises could heal. the first lawyer thrown off the case observed bruising.

I'm afraid the double suicide theory might eventuate.

[Alwyn]

Prosecutors claim....

In my experience over the years....Thais are adept and totally shameless at making "claims" about anything and everything. They continue to do so because their fellow brainwashed Thais believe it. They don't seem to grasp the fact that the BS doesn't wash with non-brainwashed Thais.

I hadn't really thought about it before but you're spot on. Just going back over a couple of months they claimed the Tour de France was being held in Thailand and there was going to be an F1 race in BKK, also a few weeks ago they claimed to have a cure for Ebola, as you say they will "claim without shame"!

[Alwyn]

I guess the prosecution have to say the case is solid, they could hardly tell the truth and say the case is b*ll*x could they?

[watcharacters]

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I posted this in the past and so help me if it was deleted it indicates an attitude on the part of the admin.

An organization which will look throughly into this is .websleuths dot com/forums/forum.php

These people do outstanding investigating about events and analysis things before police agencies have a clue

It is a site with members. Will www.Thaivisa.com allow for them to be involved?

[cookee68]

It's going to be exciting, how they use that DNA "evidence" - taking into consideration, that the crime scene, was totally destroyed on the first day. Everyone could see that, from the first photos, also exciting with the "the DNA is not Asian" comments by the police.

I really can't see, how these two boys can get a fair trail....

Who ever does in Thailand

[joebrown]

The previously discredited Khunying Porntip has been re-instated as Director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science. It was she who lambasted the RTP's handling of the initial KT murders/crime scene forensics. It would now seem very relevant for the B2 defence lawyers to submit her "quoted" opinion in the criminal court, if the case ever gets that far.

[cookee68]

Prosecutors claim....

In my experience over the years....Thais are adept and totally shameless at making "claims" about anything and everything. They continue to do so because their fellow brainwashed Thais believe it. They don't seem to grasp the fact that the BS doesn't wash with non-brainwashed Thais.

I hadn't really thought about it before but you're spot on. Just going back over a couple of months they claimed the Tour de France was being held in Thailand and there was going to be an F1 race in BKK, also a few weeks ago they claimed to have a cure for Ebola, as you say they will "claim without shame"!

That's why it is named LOS : Land Of Shame : 555555555

[Robby nz]

I have been wading through the Ferguson Grand Jury evidence etc, which is available on line (I'm up to page 448 of 5675 pages). Since this case is so "solid" how about RTP post their evidence too? Shouldn't compromise the case (as if anyone is concerned about that at this point) as perhaps defense attorneys given all of prosecutors evidence (well, I don't know about that.... this isn't like USA rules....perhaps). If we could look at the "facts" as portrayed by RTP then we armchair wise guys could really have fun looking for holes.

Hasn't the Ferguson Grand Jury completed its hearing and the police officer acquitted? So to put the findings on the internet, derived from the evidence obtained, is not and never will be, prejudicial.

Currently, this is not the situation with the RTP, therefore to provide any evidence to any one not involved in the legal process would prejudice the defendants. I, for one, would be concerned if any trial, if it gets to that, is prejudiced, and the defendants are not treated fairly. I am not aware if the prosecutors are required to provide the defendant's lawyers with a brief of evidence, as is required in most western countries but you can bet no one outside the court's jurisdiction, is entitled to it.

I am wondering why you think you have the right to the evidence? Is it, as you state, just so you armchair wise guys can have fun looking for holes? So you would like to have something, to which you are not entitled, and prejudice the case, just for some fun? This is a vey serious matter, two people's lives are on the line and you want to have some fun? Fair dinkum!

Neither you, or I, or any of your so called armchair wise guys, has any factual knowledge of the case and the majority are basing their opinions, on hearsay, assumptions and pure speculation. This is not evidence and should not be portrayed as such.

Yes, there has been some statements made that are contradictory and cause concern but again they do not contain any factual evidence on which to base a conclusion as to the guilt or innocence of those involved. Sure there have been many on TVF who are outraged at the treatment of the defendants which, In the end may or may not be justified however, no matter how irate and incensed some may become, it will not have any effect over the legal proceedings which, according to the Prosecutor, is ready to proceed.

If Yinglucks case now before the NLC is anything to go by then the defense does have a right to inspect all the evidence against their clients before the case goes to court.

In YL"s case her lawyers have used the excuse that they (she) has not had all the evidence delivered to them (her) within a certain time.

I know its a different set of circumstances but the same should apply regardless of which court or legal entity a defendant is facing.

[Robby nz]

As far as unexplained evidence goes there is also the condom that was found at the scene which was initially said to have Hanna's DNA on the outside and nothing on the inside.

Then later the sperm of the two accused was reported to have appeared on the outside of the condom.

There was also a big thing made of the fact that the two did not use condoms in the alleged rape.

If these two statements are true and the accused did rape the victim then someone must have raped her using the condom after the two accused.

So who did use the condom ?

[jdinasia]

I have been wading through the Ferguson Grand Jury evidence etc, which is available on line (I'm up to page 448 of 5675 pages). Since this case is so "solid" how about RTP post their evidence too? Shouldn't compromise the case (as if anyone is concerned about that at this point) as perhaps defense attorneys given all of prosecutors evidence (well, I don't know about that.... this isn't like USA rules....perhaps). If we could look at the "facts" as portrayed by RTP then we armchair wise guys could really have fun looking for holes.

Hasn't the Ferguson Grand Jury completed its hearing and the police officer acquitted? So to put the findings on the internet, derived from the evidence obtained, is not and never will be, prejudicial.

Currently, this is not the situation with the RTP, therefore to provide any evidence to any one not involved in the legal process would prejudice the defendants. I, for one, would be concerned if any trial, if it gets to that, is prejudiced, and the defendants are not treated fairly. I am not aware if the prosecutors are required to provide the defendant's lawyers with a brief of evidence, as is required in most western countries but you can bet no one outside the court's jurisdiction, is entitled to it.

I am wondering why you think you have the right to the evidence? Is it, as you state, just so you armchair wise guys can have fun looking for holes? So you would like to have something, to which you are not entitled, and prejudice the case, just for some fun? This is a vey serious matter, two people's lives are on the line and you want to have some fun? Fair dinkum!

Neither you, or I, or any of your so called armchair wise guys, has any factual knowledge of the case and the majority are basing their opinions, on hearsay, assumptions and pure speculation. This is not evidence and should not be portrayed as such.

Yes, there has been some statements made that are contradictory and cause concern but again they do not contain any factual evidence on which to base a conclusion as to the guilt or innocence of those involved. Sure there have been many on TVF who are outraged at the treatment of the defendants which, In the end may or may not be justified however, no matter how irate and incensed some may become, it will not have any effect over the legal proceedings which, according to the Prosecutor, is ready to proceed.

If Yinglucks case now before the NLC is anything to go by then the defense does have a right to inspect all the evidence against their clients before the case goes to court.

In YL"s case her lawyers have used the excuse that they (she) has not had all the evidence delivered to them (her) within a certain time.

I know its a different set of circumstances but the same should apply regardless of which court or legal entity a defendant is facing.

The NLA isn't a court and YL is not yet a defendant in a criminal trial.

[Robby nz]

Hasn't the Ferguson Grand Jury completed its hearing and the police officer acquitted? So to put the findings on the internet, derived from the evidence obtained, is not and never will be, prejudicial.

Currently, this is not the situation with the RTP, therefore to provide any evidence to any one not involved in the legal process would prejudice the defendants. I, for one, would be concerned if any trial, if it gets to that, is prejudiced, and the defendants are not treated fairly. I am not aware if the prosecutors are required to provide the defendant's lawyers with a brief of evidence, as is required in most western countries but you can bet no one outside the court's jurisdiction, is entitled to it.

I am wondering why you think you have the right to the evidence? Is it, as you state, just so you armchair wise guys can have fun looking for holes? So you would like to have something, to which you are not entitled, and prejudice the case, just for some fun? This is a vey serious matter, two people's lives are on the line and you want to have some fun? Fair dinkum!

Neither you, or I, or any of your so called armchair wise guys, has any factual knowledge of the case and the majority are basing their opinions, on hearsay, assumptions and pure speculation. This is not evidence and should not be portrayed as such.

Yes, there has been some statements made that are contradictory and cause concern but again they do not contain any factual evidence on which to base a conclusion as to the guilt or innocence of those involved. Sure there have been many on TVF who are outraged at the treatment of the defendants which, In the end may or may not be justified however, no matter how irate and incensed some may become, it will not have any effect over the legal proceedings which, according to the Prosecutor, is ready to proceed.

If Yinglucks case now before the NLC is anything to go by then the defense does have a right to inspect all the evidence against their clients before the case goes to court.

In YL"s case her lawyers have used the excuse that they (she) has not had all the evidence delivered to them (her) within a certain time.

I know its a different set of circumstances but the same should apply regardless of which court or legal entity a defendant is facing.

The NLA isn't a court and YL is not yet a defendant in a criminal trial.

Try reading my last sentence, then try to understand what it means.

[englishoak]

The previously discredited Khunying Porntip has been re-instated as Director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science. It was she who lambasted the RTP's handling of the initial KT murders/crime scene forensics. It would now seem very relevant for the B2 defence lawyers to submit her "quoted" opinion in the criminal court, if the case ever gets that far.

You wont see or hear Porntip repeat that in court now shes got her old job back, that would be disrespectful of her and the judges will just ignore it totally if used as a quote.... count on it.

[Chris Lawrence]

There is no use quoting court or judicial procedure from other countries as it has nothing to do with the Thai Judicial procedure.

What was the name of the interpreter used in getting the confessions? The exact police involved in the extraction of confessions? Now an unidentified person saying the case is solid? The constitution is not there, so what happens within the judicial system? If it was a court martial arraignment nothing is allowed reported? So what can be reported in a Thai Court?

Sounds as these two lads have to now show why they are not guilty with the police having the Burma Boys signed confessions?

So, one thing everyone can learn from this is advise anyone not to confess to Thai police if accused of a wrong doing.

These two will go to trial and will have a guilty conviction recorded. If it’s right or wrong, just the way the investigation has gone downhill says a lot for such a verdict. It also says a lot for the two class system that the Thai judicial system is. What happened to the Ferrari Kid; did he confess or forced to confess, what is happening with his court case, and he is still walking amongst us? This young man killed a policeman with his car?

The need for a good media to ask questions is not there. The challenge from the community is being muffled.

[StealthEnergiser]

I really can't see the defence losing this case They should have a very strong team and show doubt at every point especially the possibility that with thailand's history of corrupt police that the D.N.A may have been setup .

[kiwikeith]

There is no use quoting court or judicial procedure from other countries as it has nothing to do with the Thai Judicial procedure.

What was the name of the interpreter used in getting the confessions? The exact police involved in the extraction of confessions? Now an unidentified person saying the case is solid? The constitution is not there, so what happens within the judicial system? If it was a court martial arraignment nothing is allowed reported? So what can be reported in a Thai Court?

Sounds as these two lads have to now show why they are not guilty with the police having the Burma Boys signed confessions?

So, one thing everyone can learn from this is advise anyone not to confess to Thai police if accused of a wrong doing.

These two will go to trial and will have a guilty conviction recorded. If it’s right or wrong, just the way the investigation has gone downhill says a lot for such a verdict. It also says a lot for the two class system that the Thai judicial system is. What happened to the Ferrari Kid; did he confess or forced to confess, what is happening with his court case, and he is still walking amongst us? This young man killed a policeman with his car?

The need for a good media to ask questions is not there. The challenge from the community is being muffled.

t

the challenge muffled is exactly right!

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE BRITTISH POLICE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE MEDIA? A FARCE being perpertrated in front of our eyes.

I will say it again post the pic of the p###ck running from the crime scene no one wants to comment on that including most of you who comment on this sight its the spitting image of the guy who took the dna test in front of the media post the pic it's been on thai visa at the beginning now everyone ignores it including the shame on you Brittish police

THAILAND BECOMING A MAFIA CONTROLLED HOLE, A DIRT BAG FULL OF SCUM.

Never as bad as this a few years back now if the RTP cant arrest the true murdering scum bags then it will incourage more murder as you can get away with it here and no one will be safe. Everyone on Koh Tao knows who did this and they were not Burmese. A disgusting shame on Thailand

[thailandchilli]

There is no use quoting court or judicial procedure from other countries as it has nothing to do with the Thai Judicial procedure.

What was the name of the interpreter used in getting the confessions? The exact police involved in the extraction of confessions? Now an unidentified person saying the case is solid? The constitution is not there, so what happens within the judicial system? If it was a court martial arraignment nothing is allowed reported? So what can be reported in a Thai Court?

Sounds as these two lads have to now show why they are not guilty with the police having the Burma Boys signed confessions?

So, one thing everyone can learn from this is advise anyone not to confess to Thai police if accused of a wrong doing.

These two will go to trial and will have a guilty conviction recorded. If it’s right or wrong, just the way the investigation has gone downhill says a lot for such a verdict. It also says a lot for the two class system that the Thai judicial system is. What happened to the Ferrari Kid; did he confess or forced to confess, what is happening with his court case, and he is still walking amongst us? This young man killed a policeman with his car?

The need for a good media to ask questions is not there. The challenge from the community is being muffled.

t

the challenge muffled is exactly right!

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE BRITTISH POLICE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE MEDIA? A FARCE being perpertrated in front of our eyes.

I will say it again post the pic of the p###ck running from the crime scene no one wants to comment on that including most of you who comment on this sight its the spitting image of the guy who took the dna test in front of the media post the pic it's been on thai visa at the beginning now everyone ignores it including the shame on you Brittish police

<deleted>

Never as bad as this a few years back now if the RTP cant arrest the true murdering scum bags then it will incourage more murder as you can get away with it here and no one will be safe. Everyone on Koh Tao knows who did this and they were not Burmese. A disgusting shame on Thailand

You need to do a little research, this is a very new thread with scant info on the case, you need to head over to the one in the link where there are over 100 pages with all the information you need. Photos on post #2266 http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773084-dna-results-from-ko-tao-village-heads-son-dont-match-traces-on-slain-british-tourists/page-91