Thailand's corruption perception index recovers

[brucec64]

This is certainly something to be proud of. Again a positive sign that the Junta are doing positive work. Again a narrative the Junta cannot control throwing it in a good light. Funnily enough going in the wrong direction on the worlds biggest rice exporters list was defended by the same people that think going in the right direction on the corruption perception index is "nothing to be proud of"

Not only is that PTP logic, but is akin to telling a baby they are not proud of them when they learnt to crawl.

One must learn to crawl before they can walk.

Well done PM Prayut. The results are starting to show.

BTW - The Junta moved Thailand in the right direction on the rice exporters list as well…

In your haste to express your undying love for the PM, you neglected to read the fine print. This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards. Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government.

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/in_detail#myAnchor7

4. What are the data sources for the CPI?

The 2014 CPI draws on data sources from independent institutions specialising in governance and business climate analysis. The sources of information used for the 2014 CPI are based on data gathered in the past 24 months. The CPI includes only sources that provide a score for a set of countries/territories and that measure perceptions of corruption in the public sector. Transparency International reviews the methodology of each data source in detail to ensure that the sources used meet Transparency International’s quality standards. For a full list of the data sources, the type of respondents and the specific questions they ask, please see the CPI sources description document.

Your cherry picking bull crap does little to hid (and I notice along with the other usual "democracy is elections only" flat earthers corrupt, incompetent Thaksin lovers who ticked 'like') your negative views.

Your corrupt incompetent dictatorial loving governance lots cherry picking bull crap aside, nine of the twelve sources relate to Thailand with the other three being EU and Africa. If you are going to try to discredit the Junta's change of the landscape in Thailand then try and do your homework to save your credibility instead of the bull crap you lot spew on every thread.

The comment of yours here for example "This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards"...really. Six of the nine sources cover all of 2014 right through to August 2014 with only one of those sources going back into 2013 and then only to August 2013. The sources close offs include August 2014 (two of them), July 2014, June 2014, April 2014 and March 2014. If you cared to look at the reports then you would see that the most in-depth reporting with the wider scopes were the ones closing off later in 2014. There is a huge statistical lean of sample not only well into the Junta term but also for the early part of the year where Thaksin's proxy of the incompetent Yingluck and corrupt lawless Charlem had stepped down and the country was not being governed.

Another of your lots stupidity..."Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government." Really...care to explain the numbers in 2013 which are solely the responsibility of the Yingluck / Charlem corrupt, lawless and incompetence governance. That’s right that 2013 number that had Thailand the most corrupt it has ever been. Right in the middle of another Thaksin proxy period of governance Thailand sank to its lowest cess pot position.

On the back of those numbers as it was when the people’s court convicted fugitive criminal was also governing the corruption index for Thailand trends to higher level of corruption every time him and his proxies are in government.

If you are going to shoot down the Junta's actions then do with credible evidence not the garbage attempts of credit being given to Thaksin and his proxies. A 12 year old school pupil analysing that data could figure out that Thaksin and his proxies have been the most corrupt, incompetent and lawless pack of thugs and criminals that have been governing Thailand since 2001 at least, when his thugs saw that the "madam who borrowed servants names to hid billions" judges were threatened away from judicial correctness. I for the life of me cannot figure out what you and your lots excuses are.

It is unbelievable some of the garbage that is posted on here on something as serious as Thailand's governance.

Here are the 11 sources:

1. Bertelsmann Foundation Sustainable Governance Indicators 2014

available online. It assesses a two-year period from 1 May 2011 to 15 May 2013.

2. Bertelsmann Foundation Transformation Index

It assesses a two-year period from 1 February 2011 to 31 January 2013.

3. Economist Intelligence Unit Country Risk Ratings

The CPI draws on the most recent data available between the period Jan 2014 to August 2014 for 120 countries

4. Freedom House Nations in Transit 2014

The 2014 Nations in Transit data coverage is from 1 January through 31 December 2013.

5. Global Insight Country Risk Ratings

The data for the CPI 2014 was received in July 2014.

6. IMD World Competitiveness Yearbook 2014

The 2014 data was gathered between January and April 2014,

7. Political and Economic Risk Consultancy 2014

The data used for the CPI 2014 was gathered in a survey carried out between November 2013 and March 2014

8. Political Risk Services International Country Risk Guide

August 2013 to August 2014

9. World Bank Country Policy and Institutional Assessment 2013

The scores disclosed in June 2014 (the 2013 CPIA exercise) cover 2013 country performance.

10. World Economic Forum Executive Opinion Survey (EOS) 2014

The data was gathered in a survey conducted between January and June 2014.

11. World Justice Project Rule of Law Index 2014

Data for computing this index was collected between Spring 2011 and Autumn 2013.

I count 4 that MAY have been collected during the junta's brief time in power, but they are also a range that extends well back into the previous government's time. ANd one is end dated June 2014 so that could not include data from a government that only seized power at the end of May. I don't see 6 sources that go to August 2014 so I fear you may be telling some porkie pies. 3 sources may include junta data, but this is not conclusive since they are a date range, and 8 DO NOT!

If my analysis is a twelve year old pupil level, yours is equivalent to a 3 year old scriblling with crayons.

Please check your facts before posting your garbage.

[mikemac]

This is certainly something to be proud of. Again a positive sign that the Junta are doing positive work. Again a narrative the Junta cannot control throwing it in a good light. Funnily enough going in the wrong direction on the worlds biggest rice exporters list was defended by the same people that think going in the right direction on the corruption perception index is "nothing to be proud of"

Not only is that PTP logic, but is akin to telling a baby they are not proud of them when they learnt to crawl.

One must learn to crawl before they can walk.

Well done PM Prayut. The results are starting to show.

BTW - The Junta moved Thailand in the right direction on the rice exporters list as well…

In your haste to express your undying love for the PM, you neglected to read the fine print. This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards. Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government.

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/in_detail#myAnchor7

4. What are the data sources for the CPI?

The 2014 CPI draws on data sources from independent institutions specialising in governance and business climate analysis. The sources of information used for the 2014 CPI are based on data gathered in the past 24 months. The CPI includes only sources that provide a score for a set of countries/territories and that measure perceptions of corruption in the public sector. Transparency International reviews the methodology of each data source in detail to ensure that the sources used meet Transparency International’s quality standards. For a full list of the data sources, the type of respondents and the specific questions they ask, please see the CPI sources description document.

Your cherry picking bull crap does little to hid (and I notice along with the other usual "democracy is elections only" flat earthers corrupt, incompetent Thaksin lovers who ticked 'like') your negative views.

Your corrupt incompetent dictatorial loving governance lots cherry picking bull crap aside, nine of the twelve sources relate to Thailand with the other three being EU and Africa. If you are going to try to discredit the Junta's change of the landscape in Thailand then try and do your homework to save your credibility instead of the bull crap you lot spew on every thread.

The comment of yours here for example "This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards"...really. Six of the nine sources cover all of 2014 right through to August 2014 with only one of those sources going back into 2013 and then only to August 2013. The sources close offs include August 2014 (two of them), July 2014, June 2014, April 2014 and March 2014. If you cared to look at the reports then you would see that the most in-depth reporting with the wider scopes were the ones closing off later in 2014. There is a huge statistical lean of sample not only well into the Junta term but also for the early part of the year where Thaksin's proxy of the incompetent Yingluck and corrupt lawless Charlem had stepped down and the country was not being governed.

Another of your lots stupidity..."Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government." Really...care to explain the numbers in 2013 which are solely the responsibility of the Yingluck / Charlem corrupt, lawless and incompetence governance. That’s right that 2013 number that had Thailand the most corrupt it has ever been. Right in the middle of another Thaksin proxy period of governance Thailand sank to its lowest cess pot position.

On the back of those numbers as it was when the people’s court convicted fugitive criminal was also governing the corruption index for Thailand trends to higher level of corruption every time him and his proxies are in government.

If you are going to shoot down the Junta's actions then do with credible evidence not the garbage attempts of credit being given to Thaksin and his proxies. A 12 year old school pupil analysing that data could figure out that Thaksin and his proxies have been the most corrupt, incompetent and lawless pack of thugs and criminals that have been governing Thailand since 2001 at least, when his thugs saw that the "madam who borrowed servants names to hid billions" judges were threatened away from judicial correctness. I for the life of me cannot figure out what you and your lots excuses are.

It is unbelievable some of the garbage that is posted on here on something as serious as Thailand's governance.

Any perception attributed to the junta would be for the cosmetic and ultimately futile attempts to clean up the beaches. The business of corruption in thailand continues as usual.

But the cosmetic changes are usually enough to pull the wool over the eyes of goose-stepping facists smitten with a junta government.

.................."Any perception attributed to the junta would be for the cosmetic and ultimately futile attempts to clean up the beaches. The business of corruption in thailand continues as usual."...............

"continues as usual"..............???? So you admit it was happening under the previous government ? But that was ok, I suppose, because it has been going on for a long time !

......................"But the cosmetic changes are usually enough to pull the wool over the eyes of goose-stepping facists smitten with a junta government."..........................

"goose-stepping facists" ......................???? Who are you calling a goose-stepping facist ? Care to name these people so we know who you are flaming/insulting ?......................I do not think so and will not hold my breath waiting for a reply.

[brucec64]

In your haste to express your undying love for the PM, you neglected to read the fine print. This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards. Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government.

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/in_detail#myAnchor7

4. What are the data sources for the CPI?

The 2014 CPI draws on data sources from independent institutions specialising in governance and business climate analysis. The sources of information used for the 2014 CPI are based on data gathered in the past 24 months. The CPI includes only sources that provide a score for a set of countries/territories and that measure perceptions of corruption in the public sector. Transparency International reviews the methodology of each data source in detail to ensure that the sources used meet Transparency International’s quality standards. For a full list of the data sources, the type of respondents and the specific questions they ask, please see the CPI sources description document.

Your cherry picking bull crap does little to hid (and I notice along with the other usual "democracy is elections only" flat earthers corrupt, incompetent Thaksin lovers who ticked 'like') your negative views.

Your corrupt incompetent dictatorial loving governance lots cherry picking bull crap aside, nine of the twelve sources relate to Thailand with the other three being EU and Africa. If you are going to try to discredit the Junta's change of the landscape in Thailand then try and do your homework to save your credibility instead of the bull crap you lot spew on every thread.

The comment of yours here for example "This data is collected over the last 24 months, and really does not cover any of the period from May onwards"...really. Six of the nine sources cover all of 2014 right through to August 2014 with only one of those sources going back into 2013 and then only to August 2013. The sources close offs include August 2014 (two of them), July 2014, June 2014, April 2014 and March 2014. If you cared to look at the reports then you would see that the most in-depth reporting with the wider scopes were the ones closing off later in 2014. There is a huge statistical lean of sample not only well into the Junta term but also for the early part of the year where Thaksin's proxy of the incompetent Yingluck and corrupt lawless Charlem had stepped down and the country was not being governed.

Another of your lots stupidity..."Any gains here need to be attributed to the last government." Really...care to explain the numbers in 2013 which are solely the responsibility of the Yingluck / Charlem corrupt, lawless and incompetence governance. That’s right that 2013 number that had Thailand the most corrupt it has ever been. Right in the middle of another Thaksin proxy period of governance Thailand sank to its lowest cess pot position.

On the back of those numbers as it was when the people’s court convicted fugitive criminal was also governing the corruption index for Thailand trends to higher level of corruption every time him and his proxies are in government.

If you are going to shoot down the Junta's actions then do with credible evidence not the garbage attempts of credit being given to Thaksin and his proxies. A 12 year old school pupil analysing that data could figure out that Thaksin and his proxies have been the most corrupt, incompetent and lawless pack of thugs and criminals that have been governing Thailand since 2001 at least, when his thugs saw that the "madam who borrowed servants names to hid billions" judges were threatened away from judicial correctness. I for the life of me cannot figure out what you and your lots excuses are.

It is unbelievable some of the garbage that is posted on here on something as serious as Thailand's governance.

Any perception attributed to the junta would be for the cosmetic and ultimately futile attempts to clean up the beaches. The business of corruption in thailand continues as usual.

But the cosmetic changes are usually enough to pull the wool over the eyes of goose-stepping facists smitten with a junta government.

.................."Any perception attributed to the junta would be for the cosmetic and ultimately futile attempts to clean up the beaches. The business of corruption in thailand continues as usual."...............

"continues as usual"..............???? So you admit it was happening under the previous government ? But that was ok, I suppose, because it has been going on for a long time !

......................"But the cosmetic changes are usually enough to pull the wool over the eyes of goose-stepping facists smitten with a junta government."..........................

"goose-stepping facists" ......................???? Who are you calling a goose-stepping facist ? Care to name these people so we know who you are flaming/insulting ?......................I do not think so and will not hold my breath waiting for a reply.

Of course there was rampant corruption in the last government, as there is also rampant corruption in the current government, and every government since democracy was instituted in 1932. Only the naive think corruption began and ended with the Thaksin government.

My reply was to the previous reply, and I think in pretty much the same tone.

[whybother]

I think people should read how the Corruption Perception Index is determined before shouting about the results too much.

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/in_detail#myAnchor1

[mikemac]

Of course there was rampant corruption in the last government, as there is also rampant corruption in the current government, and every government since democracy was instituted in 1932. Only the naive think corruption began and ended with the Thaksin government.

My reply was to the previous reply, and I think in pretty much the same tone.

Your reply gave me a good laugh, if anything, thanks for that.

The reason I had a chuckle was because of the usual defense of the Shin regime - "Everyone else does it so it is ok for the Shins to do it" type of excuse. Sorry, two wrongs don't make a right, never have, never will.

Plus the fact that you referred to anyone who is "smitten with a junta government' as being "goose-stepping facists" who have had the wool pulled over their eyes, when so many Shin/PTP/redshirt supporters on TVF have taken offense at the elite/Amart/Hi-So Bangkokians allegedly referring to Issan people as buffalos.

Keep em comin' bruce, Phipodon would be proud of you.

[rubl]

I'm really looking forward to even newer figures next year when 'obviously' only the NCPO can be held responsible

[heybruce]

I'm really looking forward to even newer figures next year when 'obviously' only the NCPO can be held responsible

Yeah, this next one could be interesting:

"With no proper interim government, portfolios are unlikely to be filled on merit. Although a non-businessman is running the state airline, at least he is the air force chief. How, though, to explain the head of the navy heading the ministry of culture?"

"General Prayuth is leading a splurge in infrastructure spending, including on two high-speed railways worth $23 billion that are seen as vital future links to China. But approving such projects is one thing; getting them up and running so that they start to have a positive economic impact is quite another. Nor is the quest to reassure outsiders helped by the certain knowledge that cronies of the army (whose officer corps at times resembles a business club) will be hungry for the juiciest deals." http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21611133-economy-stumbles-junta-has-image-problem-peace-order-stagnation

Of course they can actually reduce corruption by funding these projects in a transparent manner and awarding contracts by open competitive bidding. Has the junta announced these kind of anti-corruption measures?