Concerns growing for a little girl and her father in Koh Samui

[ocejanic]

Any clue HOW to actually help the girl directly? Adopting her would be a solution to my mind. Can't think of anything else.

[Boo]

Poor mite. No child should be left with a pair of useless twonks like that. Do you know if he has any family who might take her in? Presumably they haven't got her Uk passport or anything.

[ocejanic]

Any Thai government organisation or NGO that could get the child out of that situation?

[ShutterDre]

Poor mite. No child should be left with a pair of useless twonks like that. Do you know if he has any family who might take her in? Presumably they haven't got her Uk passport or anything.

No idea

[ShutterDre]

Any clue HOW to actually help the girl directly? Adopting her would be a solution to my mind. Can't think of anything else.

By paying for her medical bills directly, making sure she is healthy and isnt dragged around to all the bars and other type places this guy is often seen at with her..

As far as i see it though, there are many children all over thailand including samui where you can see the kids selling flowers at night that need help, there should be some sort of institution in place to support ALL of them, not just this one..

[Boo]

Usually there is a thai family support structure in place to send these kids to but maybe the mother is without support or has burned bridges there too. The UK family would be the next logical step if they were willing to take her & if the parents were willing to hand her over.

I know my own family would not allow my child to live this way but not everyone is so fortunate. I'm pretty sure there are charities but with one parent at least making show of taking care they very rarely get involved & in many cases the demand outweighs the support & many fall through the cracks.

Very sad all round

[Wat dee]

The way I know Thai people, I cant imagine they wouldn't be willing in some clinic or hospital to help the girl for free, if the guy has no money. Not such a big deal (I hope) to clean and disinfect the wound, and bandage it, maybe antibiotics. Or maybe somebody could volunteer to foot the bill. Hope she gets help speedily, infections develop rapidly in this climate.

The government hospital in Nathon would help. The private hospitals on Samui will kick you out on the street.

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No they won't.

It is law that all hospitals have to provide emergency treatment to Thais FOC if the patient is in 'one of the medical schemes'. I have seen quite a few Thais being treated under this edict - but follow up care is an entirely different matter.

The problem with the little girl might be if she has no Thai id.

Poster is correct - Nathon hospital will probably help no matter what.

My kids have always been treated free in Thailand even without Thai id or passport.

[ocejanic]

what about that starfish or samuifamily NGOs on Samui?

[mickba]

Would he consider moving back to the UK? There may be help for him & his daughter if he has family in UK. I would be happy to act as a go between for him here in UK.

It sounds very unlikely that he has a valid Visa and if that's the case and the authorities become involved, then he may not have any choice.

What would happen to the girl in that case I don't know.

[kinmaew]

I feel sorry for the child who has been brought up by such irresponsible parents and for Thailand's "No money no treatment" policy; where are their hearts exactly? Too busy worshipping false "Gods"

[wooloomooloo]

A fairly innocent story continues to gather moss at some epic speed. Jeez.

[Tropicalevo]

I feel sorry for the child who has been brought up by such irresponsible parents and for Thailand's "No money no treatment" policy; where are their hearts exactly? Too busy worshipping false "Gods"

Try reading post 38 again.

[Rooo]

A fairly innocent story continues to gather moss at some epic speed. Jeez.

Innocent story? Which planet do you come from? Haven't you reaf first hand account of the situation? I honestly do not think we need troll posts in situations like this.

[mjnaus]

If this story pans out and the father is indeed a drug addict, would it be a possibility to offer the dad a sum of money in exchange for signing a document waifing all parental rights? Basically, allowing us to put the girl up for adoption and find her a good and stable home? I'd say the ideal way to get the girl away from the dad is in a non-violent and non-confrontational manner, and although I hate to support one's drug habbit, if that's what it takes to help this girl, the end might justify the means...

I'm more then happy to help out here, however I'm not living on Samui (living in Songkhla, few hours south of the island). If anybody involved with the dad and girl needs help, please feel free to PM me.

[ocejanic]

If this story pans out and the father is indeed a drug addict, would it be a possibility to offer the dad a sum of money in exchange for signing a document waifing all parental rights? Basically, allowing us to put the girl up for adoption and find her a good and stable home? I'd say the ideal way to get the girl away from the dad is in a non-violent and non-confrontational manner, and although I hate to support one's drug habbit, if that's what it takes to help this girl, the end might justify the means...

That's exactly what I'd suggest, though I could only offer money and/or a stable home and future in Germany.

[Tywais]

Possibly Pavena Foundation for Children and Women could be contacted for suggestions though I'm having difficulties locating contact information at the moment.

[robertson468]

I will be back in KS at the end of the week, if this is a genuine post and the guy does indeed have difficulties in looking after her, then anyone who has some firm info on the circumstances and their whereabouts can contact me directly.

It can be difficult (and sometimes even dangerous) to get too close or involved with another persons issues, no matter how tragic or regrettable. It would seem this may be a case where it is worth taking the risk, so if anyone comes across any new details please keep us all posted (or myself directly)

For what's it's worth....

Bignose, im willing to contribute 5,000 baht to the care of this darling little girl.

Please pm me if we can arrange something .

I wish i could do more, but im on a limited income.

My Wife and I would be very happy to Foster this child (My Wife is Thai) and give her a lovely comfortable home for however long it takes for her Father to get himself sorted. One would suspect that he not only has either drug or alcohol issues, but might well have Visa issues as well (only congecture, but not unreasonable). The Boy needs to get himself back to UK and get himself medically sorted, then get some support/job so that he can take proper care of this little one. In the mean time, we are more than happy to offer her a safe and comfortable home. Once he is able, he might want to take the little one back to the UK, but if Mum has disappeared and they are not legally married, that could be yet another issue he needs to address (again conjecture). First and foremost, it sounds like he needs medical help and the support one can get in the UK. If I can help, please PM me. More than glad for anyone on the official side to come and visit us and check us out.

[Rooo]

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[Loles]

This story breaks my heart.

Many children have to suffer in their hard life.

And don't judge this guy with out the knowledge of all the circumstances.

Seems he takes care of his girl as he can what his responsibilities give him.

Good to read here posts of real Human reactions.

I hope this girl gets soon better life but not by the Thai state, cause those way is really awful and dangerous for her.

[Showbags]

I will be back in KS at the end of the week, if this is a genuine post and the guy does indeed have difficulties in looking after her, then anyone who has some firm info on the circumstances and their whereabouts can contact me directly.

It can be difficult (and sometimes even dangerous) to get too close or involved with another persons issues, no matter how tragic or regrettable. It would seem this may be a case where it is worth taking the risk, so if anyone comes across any new details please keep us all posted (or myself directly)

And your qualifications are what?

A decent human being for a start.

how do you know that ? Some stranger on the internet ? Willing to provide help for a young cute girl ?....no offence, just do not think everyone is an innocent helpful party full of good intentions.

[arjunadawn]

My Wife and I would be very happy to Foster this child (My Wife is Thai) and give her a lovely comfortable home for however long it takes for her Father to get himself sorted. One would suspect that he not only has either drug or alcohol issues, but might well have Visa issues as well (only congecture, but not unreasonable). The Boy needs to get himself back to UK and get himself medically sorted, then get some support/job so that he can take proper care of this little one. In the mean time, we are more than happy to offer her a safe and comfortable home. Once he is able, he might want to take the little one back to the UK, but if Mum has disappeared and they are not legally married, that could be yet another issue he needs to address (again conjecture). First and foremost, it sounds like he needs medical help and the support one can get in the UK. If I can help, please PM me. More than glad for anyone on the official side to come and visit us and check us out.

My hat off to you!

[Rooo]

how do you know that ? Some stranger on the internet ? Willing to provide help for a young cute girl ?....no offence, just do not think everyone is an innocent helpful party full of good intentions.

I would pick my words very carefully & hope that you are not saying what I think you are hinting at. Again do not need trolls in these topics, if you have nothing sensible to say, then better say nothing & let the good folk on here try & help.

[technologybytes]

The father may be short of money and have no proper home, but that does not necessarily mean that he is not a good father.

I don't know the circumstances and I'm sure most of the people posting on here don't either.

Assuming that the father loves his daughter, usually the best place for any child is with a loving parent.

Lots of guessing here, including someone who seems convinced the father has no visa... how on earth can anyone come to such a conclusion.

It's touching to see people offer to foster the child, perhaps an offer of accommodation for the father and his daughter would be more impressive.

[Showbags]

how do you know that ? Some stranger on the internet ? Willing to provide help for a young cute girl ?....no offence, just do not think everyone is an innocent helpful party full of good intentions.

I would pick my words very carefully & hope that you are not saying what I think you are hinting at. Again do not need trolls in these topics, if you have nothing sensible to say, then better say nothing & let the good folk on here try & help.

so you think not being careful of complete strangers offering to help a possibly vulnerable child, is sensible ? Amazing.

[Tropicalevo]

Whilst I am sure that most people posting here are well meaning - this is a minefield.

None of us really understand the laws covering this situation. eg - offering money to the father to 'relinquish' the young girl - trafficking maybe. We just do not know. (I don't.)

Even the rights of the father are probably not automatic here - if he is the father. Again, I do not know.

One thing that is probably correct - the mother is the legal guardian.

I would think that the best thing for the child is to contact the mother's family. If the mother is in jail - her family could probably gain rights to the child in the mother's absence. Then we could offer to support the child through the family. Not easy if the family are not on Samui though.

That's my suggestion anyway. Totally legal

[Bignose]

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how do you know that ? Some stranger on the internet ? Willing to provide help for a young cute girl ?....no offence, just do not think everyone is an innocent helpful party full of good intentions.

I would pick my words very carefully & hope that you are not saying what I think you are hinting at. Again do not need trolls in these topics, if you have nothing sensible to say, then better say nothing & let the good folk on here try & help.

"so you think not being careful of complete strangers offering to help a possibly vulnerable child, is sensible ? Amazing"

Who in their right mind would say that "not being careful of complete strangers offering to help a possibly vulnerable child, is sensible" as you posted? What thought processes have you used to derive that meaning from the previous post?

Showbags there are many intelligent, thoughtful and considerate people using this forum, there are many here who would help this child (and who have probably helped elsewhere previously in other cases and in other ways) with the very best of intentions. What people who live in isolation (people like you) do not realize is that these people have friends, neighbors, family, business associates and acquaintances who are part of their lives, people who see what is happening in their lives. Yes there are pedophiles out there but I don't imagine there are many who would advertise their existence on TV.

You are quick to cast aspersions and to question motives, what would your qualified opinion be?

That we should all ignore what we read in case some unfortunate and misguided person should mistake us for a rock spider?

Is this the best you can offer, are your concerned negative comments your best contribution to this child's predicament?

Your comments have generated some unwelcome emotions and contributed nothing, for you it's been a worthwhile day after all...

Edited December 9, 2014 by Bignose

[Rooo]

how do you know that ? Some stranger on the internet ? Willing to provide help for a young cute girl ?....no offence, just do not think everyone is an innocent helpful party full of good intentions.

I would pick my words very carefully & hope that you are not saying what I think you are hinting at. Again do not need trolls in these topics, if you have nothing sensible to say, then better say nothing & let the good folk on here try & help.

so you think not being careful of complete strangers offering to help a possibly vulnerable child, is sensible ? Amazing.

As I previously mentioned, troll posts not welcome. If you have nothing positive to contribute to a LOCAL forum,with people trying to help & do the right thing ,I suggest you don't.

You want to discuss this further, advise you to use PM function.

[Rooo]

A short note to confirm that the Embassy are aware of this and that consular assistance is being provided.

“The British Embassy are aware of this case and are providing consular support”.

[Bignose]

A short note to confirm that the Embassy are aware of this and that consular assistance is being provided.

“The British Embassy are aware of this case and are providing consular support”.

The wide range of positive comments and expressions of concern are great to see, they reinforce the belief that there are good, honest people out there who do care what is happening around them.

In saying that I believe this is the very best outcome for this little girl and her father, as has been stated previously in this thread, there are legal implications and requirements relevant to how this is handled. The British Embassy is probably the best placed and equipped to bring this to a happy conclusion, for the sake of the family unit as a whole.

I hope the father is aware of the reaction and concern from the many contributors to this thread, hopefully it may help him deal with whatever issues he may have.

And lastly could I humbly suggest that we all retain the willingness to help, there are many people out there who would be equally deserving of some assistance and compassion. If this child ends up being cared for as she deserves there are countless others we can lend a hand to.

[mijako]

I went to chermon beach today but I didn't see him. I asked also some beach sellers but they didn't know where he was. The last time I saw him on the songtaew going to chaweng and told me he is going to stay with somebody who wants him to fix some things in their house. I don't know if this is true. I spoke to him many times since about 4 years and he is a big story teller. The first time I met him 4 years ago, he told me his thai girlfriend took everything from him, even his passport and he was waiting for money from his mother. And so on... the story I heard so many times since I'm here (28 yrs). Anyway, this guy is drinking a lot. I don't know if he is taking drugs but what i know, is this man is kind and he really seems to love his daughter. I have never seen him angry or violent but it doesn't mean he cannot be.

If anybody of you is living in chaweng maybe you will have more chance to see him, if his story is true, It's possible, he had a big bag, probably with some clothes, some toys and a big pack of pampers for the kid. He would never take all these things with him if he was not staying for a while. For me I keep looking and asking around here. For the ones who have never seen him, he "always" have a hat on. The one on the picture, I have never seen. He has also a brand name british kaki hat and he has very bright eyes

2-3 years ago, suddendly, he had money and went to stay in Pattaya for a while, then he came back to samui. So, this is just an idea but if we can't find him here we should maybe also look in Pattaya. What do you think?

And the mother of Jasmine is not from samui. He told me she is from isaan