The Traffic Lights At Carrefor

[kurgen]

I noticed this morning when I dropped the ankle biter at school that the lights on the Carrefor junction have been switched on.

It's only taken 2 years and 5000 (ish) accidents.

I wonder how long they'll be on for?

The best thing that can be done on that junction is to make the Soi opposite Carrefor one way, so you can't pull out onto Central Rd.

That's my 5 bahts worth, Kruger for traffic chief

[Jai Dee]

It's about time!!!

That would have to be one of the most dangerous intersections in town.

[Mister Doom]

And so are the lights from Sukhumvit, turning right into Soi Muslim. They turned them back on about a week ago.

Maybe the 'Powers that Be' read Thai Visa

[Jai Dee]

And so are the lights from Sukhumvit, turning right into Soi Muslim. They turned them back on about a week ago.

Do you think that's a good thing or not?

Last night as I was leaving work (north of Pattaya) I heard on the Thai radio report at 5 PM that the Pattaya Klang and Sukhumvit intersection was "rotit mak mak"... so I took an alternative route home (south of Pattaya).

Although having the lights there is a good thing IMO, monitoring of them and traffic control by the police is non-existent... leading to massive traffic jams.

[Mister Doom]

And so are the lights from Sukhumvit, turning right into Soi Muslim. They turned them back on about a week ago.

Do you think that's a good thing or not?

Last night as I was leaving work (north of Pattaya) I heard on the Thai radio report at 5 PM that the Pattaya Klang and Sukhumvit intersection was "rotit mak mak"... so I took an alternative route home (south of Pattaya).

Although having the lights there is a good thing IMO, monitoring of them and traffic control by the police is non-existent... leading to massive traffic jams.

As an earlier poster said, the traffic used to force its way through anyway, which caused the Sukhumvit traffic to stop, so they might as well turn on the lights and make it less dangerous.

What they need to do is get the timing right. A long red to the right turning traffic, and a pretty short green. In the rush hour, the long build up of right turning traffic might persuade a lot of them to go further down Suhkumvit and do a U-turn. At other times - no problems, and as there will be a red light, it will stop the 'forced' stopping of traffic.

Could work, if they put their minds to it.

Or just block off the right turn completely.

[kurgen]

I think the only thing that will really help is a huge crackdown on people going through red lights, as in the BIB actually pulling their fingers out and doing on the spot fines.

How many times have you sat at a green light while the cross flow that is on red carries on, while every f@kker behind you honks and beeps expecting you to commit road rage hari karri

[Artisan]

How many times have you sat at a green light while the cross flow that is on red carries on......

In Pattaya?.....Every day and at every traffic light!

[Kerryd]

I think the only thing that will really help is a huge crackdown on people going through red lights, as in the BIB actually pulling their fingers out and doing on the spot fines.

How many times have you sat at a green light while the cross flow that is on red carries on, while every f@kker behind you honks and beeps expecting you to commit road rage hari karri

Or the right turn lane is full, so people pull up into the through lane and then make a right-turn any ways, resulting in 2-3 lanes of traffic turning right into 1-2 lanes of roadway. Then throw in dozens of motos as well !

I've mentioned elsewhere that the problem with traffic enforcement here is that it appears the BiB consider it a "low-ranking" job. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be many "low-ranking" policemen in the BiB. They are all Captains, Majors and above.

Handing out traffic tickets is beneath them.

Get some roving groups of Privates/Corporals with Sergeant supervisors, under the command of some fresh (and eager) young Lieutenants. Send them to various intersections at various times. During rush hours have them control traffic flow.

During non-peak hours, have them enforce the rules and hand out tickets (fewer problems than if they try to do this during rush hour, which would only make matters worse).

It will take quite awhile until people start obeying the rules, but they'd get there eventually. Look at the helmets on the moto drivers/riders. Never used to see them at all. Now it is fairly rare (on the major roads) to see people without helmets.

It took awhile, and a lot of 400 baht fines, but people started learning.

(Hhehehehe, the soon-to-be-ex just got nailed the other morning, around 06:30 am ! Then she decided that I should pay, as she had been on her way to see me ! Thai logic ! I laughed and pointed out that her helmet had been in the basket the whole time and I never asked her to come see me at that time.)

[chuckd]

My two cents worth....block the traffic light at Soi Nern Plub Wan and the Sukhumvit crossover there completely. Move the traffic light to Siam Country Club Road with U-turn capability for Nern Plub Wan.

This gets the traffic log jam away from Central Road and the U-turn isn't too far to drive for Nern Plub Wan. Looks to me like this would ease most of the pressure at the usual mess at Central Road.

Comments??

[CGW]

Start building an overpass! Gotta happen sooner or later?

Can you imagine the chaos then!

[birgy]

i crossed this junction this morning 11.00hrs and it seems to be a lot saver.

[Phil Conners]

I think the only thing that will really help is a huge crackdown on people going through red lights, as in the BIB actually pulling their fingers out and doing on the spot fines.

How many times have you sat at a green light while the cross flow that is on red carries on, while every f@kker behind you honks and beeps expecting you to commit road rage hari karri

Or the right turn lane is full, so people pull up into the through lane and then make a right-turn any ways, resulting in 2-3 lanes of traffic turning right into 1-2 lanes of roadway. Then throw in dozens of motos as well !

I've mentioned elsewhere that the problem with traffic enforcement here is that it appears the BiB consider it a "low-ranking" job. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be many "low-ranking" policemen in the BiB. They are all Captains, Majors and above.

Handing out traffic tickets is beneath them.

Get some roving groups of Privates/Corporals with Sergeant supervisors, under the command of some fresh (and eager) young Lieutenants. Send them to various intersections at various times. During rush hours have them control traffic flow.

During non-peak hours, have them enforce the rules and hand out tickets (fewer problems than if they try to do this during rush hour, which would only make matters worse).

It will take quite awhile until people start obeying the rules, but they'd get there eventually. Look at the helmets on the moto drivers/riders. Never used to see them at all. Now it is fairly rare (on the major roads) to see people without helmets.

It took awhile, and a lot of 400 baht fines, but people started learning.

(Hhehehehe, the soon-to-be-ex just got nailed the other morning, around 06:30 am ! Then she decided that I should pay, as she had been on her way to see me ! Thai logic ! I laughed and pointed out that her helmet had been in the basket the whole time and I never asked her to come see me at that time.)

Good idea but they're all busy handing out tickets to the great offense of driving without helmets

[wilko]

It's about time!!!

That would have to be one of the most dangerous intersections in town.

They turned the lights on before about 18months ago....everybody just ignored them.

I don't really consider that junction as particularly dangerous.....the traffic moves so slowly that it just struggles through...it's aggravating yes, but dangerous?????

[Rimmer]

I always mutter a small prayer of thanks when I successfully complete that right turn from Klang into the Carrefore soi.

[wcr]

i crossed this junction this morning 11.00hrs and it seems to be a lot saver.

Well I've seen 3 accidents now here in 2 days. One yesterday, and two today!!! All since the lights have gone on.

Why? I think it's people jumping the lights.

[kurgen]

Well I've seen 3 accidents now here in 2 days. One yesterday, and two today!!! All since the lights have gone on.

Well that's a big improvement