Director defends 'Hitler scene' in Thai govt film

[thailiketoo]

What do you expect from uneducated people.

I had some paper in Thai which I couldn't read. I went to the market and start asking people if they could read what does it write on the paper. Everybody turned of or just smiled without looking at the paper maybe if they could understand something UNTIL NUMBER 10 WHO COULD READ AND WRITE THAI LANGUAGE.

So that means only 10 % can read and write in this country.ck to 5000 years in the school.

Total adult literacy rate (%) 2008-2012 93.5% http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/Thailand_statistics.html

[Fab5BKK]

Well done Thailand!

Le Figaro (French newspaper): "Hitler dans un film de propagande thaïlandais"

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2014/12/10/97001-20141210FILWWW00100-hitler-dans-un-film-de-propagande-thailandais.php

Edited December 10, 2014 by Fab5BKK

[Jingthing]

Well done Thailand!

Le Figaro (French newspaper): "Hitler dans un film de propagande thaïlandais"

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2014/12/10/97001-20141210FILWWW00100-hitler-dans-un-film-de-propagande-thailandais.php

Just the start.

It's instant Nazi camp!

Really, the Thais should run their video ideas by a panel of foreigners just for opinions at least on international reactions.

It's really not so much that the world will think Thailand is turning Nazi.

It's more like Thailand with videos such as this makes itself a LAUGHINGSTOCK.

Can't get any respect?

EARN IT.

Promote more education?

DO IT rather than release puff pieces about doing it.

Edited December 10, 2014 by Jingthing

[Galangal]

Not intended as a politically loaded question, but can anyone shed some light on where the Junta stands with regard to the Thailand's place in the globalist new world / one world order? Reason I ask is that in many respects they appear to be moving away from all that, but when seeing reference to 12 Values one must wonder again. Within the NWO/Agenda 21/Globalist 'brainwashing' lingo is this notion of 12 steps, be it a 12 step addiction programme or 12 school years, or 12 values, etc.

[thailiketoo]

I think youve made that up about people saying the video "Glorifies Him" Youneed to get it into your head that Hitlers very inclusion in the video offends people and that is the issue. He is a Mass murderer of Historic proportion , I doubt he could be seen in a good light

I didn't make it up. One poster even wrote, "Apparently in recent opinion polls 93% of community leaders want Adolf Hitler as Foreign Secretary"

[anon022]

The latest screw up in the quest for more tourists.

Yes, we love to be confronted by ignorant Thais who greet you with a firm Heil Hitler every time they see you. Some teachers even find it funny to teach their students to do the same, and I'm drawing from experience. Trying to talk sense into them, explaining it is a very upsetting thing to do - wadduyuknow - doesn't help no consideration even after having explained clearly, and in Thai that this is a very offensive thing to say to your farang colleague. Of course it is again only the bad apples that continue to ignore the foreigners pleas, but it spoils the school environment and it's enough to make one want to leave, the school where one is employed or even, in this case, the country!

Yes, we love tourists. Welcome to Thailand.. HAI HITLEHR!

Edited December 10, 2014 by Impossible

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I think youve made that up about people saying the video "Glorifies Him" Youneed to get it into your head that Hitlers very inclusion in the video offends people and that is the issue. He is a Mass murderer of Historic proportion , I doubt he could be seen in a good light

I didn't make it up. One poster even wrote, "Apparently in recent opinion polls 93% of community leaders want Adolf Hitler as Foreign Secretary"

That was me and that was a joke

[nithisa78]

no surprise, the self righteous have come out of the wood work. what are the finger pointers doing to help? rhetorical. Finger pointers need help. They rarely provide any.

[LuckyNo4]

zaza9 i agree with you abou Londoners are thr most tollerent i showed my mum the photo and she did laugh.

i just wish everyone would show respect. wether Thai or farrang

I'm a londoner born and bred and am as tolerant as they come, normally i wouldn't rise to this.... but live in a country that has absolute zero tolerance to foreigners saying anything to do with thai. I'm just sick of the double standards and of reading the shit they do & say to foreigners every day. And by the way zaza9 if someone disrespected my country in my local...they wouldn't walk out.

[LuckyNo4]

zaza9 i agree with you abou Londoners are thr most tollerent i showed my mum the photo and she did laugh.

i just wish everyone would show respect. wether Thai or farrang

I'm a londoner born and bred and am as tolerant as they come, normally i wouldn't rise to this.... but live in a country that has absolute zero tolerance to foreigners saying anything to do with thai. I'm just sick of the double standards and of reading the shit they do & say to foreigners every day. And by the way zaza9 if someone disrespected my country in my local or in any pub in tottenham...they wouldn't walk out.

[thailiketoo]

The latest screw up in the quest for more tourists.

Yes, we love to be confronted by ignorant Thais who greet you with a firm Heil Hitler every time they see you. Some teachers even find it funny to teach their students to do the same, and I'm drawing from experience. Trying to talk sense into them, explaining it is a very upsetting thing to do - wadduyuknow - doesn't help no consideration even after having explained clearly, and in Thai that this is a very offensive thing to say to your farang colleague. Of course it is again only the bad apples that continue to ignore the foreigners pleas, but it spoils the school environment and it's enough to make one want to leave, the school where one is employed or even, in this case, the country!

Yes, we love tourists. Welcome to Thailand.. HAI HITLEHR!

I really think the director was trying to make a point about; it is bad for Thais to like "Nazi chic" but he failed to comprehend that the average Westerner sees Hitler and red and a swastika and every word after or before that is lost in hate or frustration and is accompanied by a desire to shoot or strike someone. This ranks right up there with the lady and the ID bracelets for tourists and the don't wear bikinis thing.

[AleG]

The latest screw up in the quest for more tourists.

Yes, we love to be confronted by ignorant Thais who greet you with a firm Heil Hitler every time they see you. Some teachers even find it funny to teach their students to do the same, and I'm drawing from experience. Trying to talk sense into them, explaining it is a very upsetting thing to do - wadduyuknow - doesn't help no consideration even after having explained clearly, and in Thai that this is a very offensive thing to say to your farang colleague. Of course it is again only the bad apples that continue to ignore the foreigners pleas, but it spoils the school environment and it's enough to make one want to leave, the school where one is employed or even, in this case, the country!

Yes, we love tourists. Welcome to Thailand.. HAI HITLEHR!

I really think the director was trying to make a point about; it is bad for Thais to like "Nazi chic" but he failed to comprehend that the average Westerner sees Hitler and red and a swastika and every word after or before that is lost in hate or frustration and is accompanied by a desire to shoot or strike someone. This ranks right up there with the lady and the ID bracelets for tourists and the don't wear bikinis thing.

I disagree with your second point, there are plenty of instances of Hitler and Nazi imagery used in the West and you don't see this nearly universal outburst of irrational condemnation; I think there's something else at play, something more tribal, as in it is OK for "us" to make this kind of thing but not for "them".

That of course is besides the fact that the point the director was making was against the people that use Hitler and Nazi imagery in an insensitive manner, which is ironically what the ones screaming the loudest here decry but are too full of self-righteous hate to see.

Edited December 10, 2014 by AleG

[car720]

people sacrificed so much so we can all travel anywhere we want say what we want.

"say what we want" huh?

So what do you people want?

All images of Hitler to be banned forever , so that one day no one has a clue who this guy was and are left wondering why "people sacrificed so much" or if that is all just a story.

Its already been pointed out that Hitler is not glorified in any way , in fact his image is used as a counterpoint to anything good.

But thats not enough for many of you ... I think that maybe you want the opportunity to harp on about what "YOU" and your lot did in the war and how "You" got rid of the Nazis when actually , unless you are over 80 , you had nothing to do with it.

Anyone I knew who actually did , treated any image of Hitler with great mocking and jocularity , they certainly didnt immediately demand the image covered or removed - hell , some of them even combed their hair and sketched a mustache onto themselves for a bit of further fun.

But keep up the pretentious 'outrage' by all means ... you fought for it ( cough ) - its most entertaining 555.

Very well said indeed.

In my opinion, for what it's worth, what we see more and more of, is one moronic person following another. A little like a salsa line of blind people. One peer group leader says something and all the peers follow blindly.

[thailiketoo]

The latest screw up in the quest for more tourists.

Yes, we love to be confronted by ignorant Thais who greet you with a firm Heil Hitler every time they see you. Some teachers even find it funny to teach their students to do the same, and I'm drawing from experience. Trying to talk sense into them, explaining it is a very upsetting thing to do - wadduyuknow - doesn't help no consideration even after having explained clearly, and in Thai that this is a very offensive thing to say to your farang colleague. Of course it is again only the bad apples that continue to ignore the foreigners pleas, but it spoils the school environment and it's enough to make one want to leave, the school where one is employed or even, in this case, the country!

Yes, we love tourists. Welcome to Thailand.. HAI HITLEHR!

I really think the director was trying to make a point about; it is bad for Thais to like "Nazi chic" but he failed to comprehend that the average Westerner sees Hitler and red and a swastika and every word after or before that is lost in hate or frustration and is accompanied by a desire to shoot or strike someone. This ranks right up there with the lady and the ID bracelets for tourists and the don't wear bikinis thing.

I disagree with your second point, there are plenty of instances of Hitler and Nazi imagery used in the West and you don't see this nearly universal outburst of irrational condemnation; I think there's something else at play, something more tribal, as in it is OK for "us" to make this kind of thing but not for "them".

That of course is besides the fact that the point the director was making was against the people that use Hitler and Nazi imagery in an insensitive manner, which is ironically what the ones screaming the loudest here decry but are too full of self-righteous hate to see.

Then you haven't read this thread. Any mention of Hitler is verboten and should not be allowed. Also the posters were not able to understand the audio of the video which further complicated it for the 2 out of 100 who actually took the ten minutes to view the work. And the anti posters union finally had a leg to stand on even if it was incorrect. Thais are not supposed to use Nazi imagery even if it is in a negative way because they don't know anything about history.

Don't get me wrong I think the guy who directed the video is an idiot but he didn't do anything wrong. If the video was produced in America and in English no one would have said anything. They would have understood the imagery and negative consequence.

[SupermarineS6B]

"Fought with the Axis powers during WW2" Oh dear, on the wrong side again.............If you can find any reference to the B29 that bombed Klong Thoey at the end of the war, and the resulting massacre of the Thai airforce in one afternoon....... (Somchai forgot that bombers usually have escorts, namely two Mustangs) makes interesting reading....... of course it's not readily available, as is the Thai Ambassador who refused to give a declaration of war to the Allies........ &lt;deleted&gt; ? Are you Baaaaaaaaaaa ? I'm not surprised with this latest act of stupidity, goes inline with the statue that used to be near Pattaya, that's until the German Ambassador saw it.......... To be fair though, what can you expect with an education system based on blind religous adoration and military marching and BS ? Just come back from Kanchanaburi with my Mrs, she asked me what all these graves were doing there ( Allied war graves) i tried to explain about the war and the reason why all these young men were worked and starved to death by the Baskets you lot sided with.......... Total blank........ Didn't even know they'd been a war,,,,,,,, Ah well...... better get me silly tash grown..........

[thailiketoo]

"Fought with the Axis powers during WW2" Oh dear, on the wrong side again.............If you can find any reference to the B29 that bombed Klong Thoey at the end of the war, and the resulting massacre of the Thai airforce in one afternoon....... (Somchai forgot that bombers usually have escorts, namely two Mustangs) makes interesting reading....... of course it's not readily available, as is the Thai Ambassador who refused to give a declaration of war to the Allies........ <deleted> ? Are you Baaaaaaaaaaa ? I'm not surprised with this latest act of stupidity, goes inline with the statue that used to be near Pattaya, that's until the German Ambassador saw it.......... To be fair though, what can you expect with an education system based on blind religous adoration and military marching and BS ? Just come back from Kanchanaburi with my Mrs, she asked me what all these graves were doing there ( Allied war graves) i tried to explain about the war and the reason why all these young men were worked and starved to death by the Baskets you lot sided with.......... Total blank........ Didn't even know they'd been a war,,,,,,,, Ah well...... better get me silly tash grown..........

Even though I want to watch the History channel in English I turn it to Thai so the Mrs can understand it better.

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The latest screw up in the quest for more tourists.

Yes, we love to be confronted by ignorant Thais who greet you with a firm Heil Hitler every time they see you. Some teachers even find it funny to teach their students to do the same, and I'm drawing from experience. Trying to talk sense into them, explaining it is a very upsetting thing to do - wadduyuknow - doesn't help no consideration even after having explained clearly, and in Thai that this is a very offensive thing to say to your farang colleague. Of course it is again only the bad apples that continue to ignore the foreigners pleas, but it spoils the school environment and it's enough to make one want to leave, the school where one is employed or even, in this case, the country!

Yes, we love tourists. Welcome to Thailand.. HAI HITLEHR!

I really think the director was trying to make a point about; it is bad for Thais to like "Nazi chic" but he failed to comprehend that the average Westerner sees Hitler and red and a swastika and every word after or before that is lost in hate or frustration and is accompanied by a desire to shoot or strike someone. This ranks right up there with the lady and the ID bracelets for tourists and the don't wear bikinis thing.

I disagree with your second point, there are plenty of instances of Hitler and Nazi imagery used in the West and you don't see this nearly universal outburst of irrational condemnation; I think there's something else at play, something more tribal, as in it is OK for "us" to make this kind of thing but not for "them".

That of course is besides the fact that the point the director was making was against the people that use Hitler and Nazi imagery in an insensitive manner, which is ironically what the ones screaming the loudest here decry but are too full of self-righteous hate to see.

Then you haven't read this thread. Any mention of Hitler is verboten and should not be allowed. Also the posters were not able to understand the audio of the video which further complicated it for the 2 out of 100 who actually took the ten minutes to view the work. And the anti posters union finally had a leg to stand on even if it was incorrect. Thais are not supposed to use Nazi imagery even if it is in a negative way because they don't know anything about history.

Don't get me wrong I think the guy who directed the video is an idiot but he didn't do anything wrong. If the video was produced in America and in English no one would have said anything. They would have understood the imagery and negative consequence.

Even though we have differing opinions you've fought your corner tenaciously mate, Good work and Goodnight

[penwithcris]

The innocent man was blindfolded and subjected to weeks of torture. Many times he was certain he was about to die as his face was again and again pushed deep under the water.

His body regularly subjected to extremes of heat and cold in his tiny cell. Unfed, he was not even allowed the tempororary relief from his agony of sleep.

Brutally beaten by his captors while the World looked the other way

A Nazi extermination centre in the 1940's?

No!

Thailand in the 21st centre where it willingly offered itself as a 'Rendition Centre to 'brutally torture' prisoners who were later found to have had no case to answer

Hitler - Bush - Germany - America - Thailand - thin lines!

'Man's inhumanity to Man'

[Neeranam]

If my little girl comes home form school brandishing her newly painted Hitler picture , I'm not going to be happy

And don't get me started about the boy coming home in a Hitler T-shirt

My kids can paint pictures of Hitler if they want. T-shirt too. When I was a punk, it was the thing to have a swastika t-shirt as Sid Vicious had one.

Kids try to wind up old codg

ers.

[DaveE13]

car720. so im a moron because i want everyone to have a bit of respect? wether Thai or Farang

Edited December 10, 2014 by DaveE13

[DaveE13]

Nareem i was a mod in my youth i remember the punks.

what days they were too lol

[AleG]

I disagree with your second point, there are plenty of instances of Hitler and Nazi imagery used in the West and you don't see this nearly universal outburst of irrational condemnation; I think there's something else at play, something more tribal, as in it is OK for "us" to make this kind of thing but not for "them".

That of course is besides the fact that the point the director was making was against the people that use Hitler and Nazi imagery in an insensitive manner, which is ironically what the ones screaming the loudest here decry but are too full of self-righteous hate to see.

Then you haven't read this thread. Any mention of Hitler is verboten and should not be allowed. Also the posters were not able to understand the audio of the video which further complicated it for the 2 out of 100 who actually took the ten minutes to view the work. And the anti posters union finally had a leg to stand on even if it was incorrect. Thais are not supposed to use Nazi imagery even if it is in a negative way because they don't know anything about history.

Don't get me wrong I think the guy who directed the video is an idiot but he didn't do anything wrong. If the video was produced in America and in English no one would have said anything. They would have understood the imagery and negative consequence.

Yes, I have read the thread, every post, and I can see there is something else besides anti-Nazi sentiment at play; there is a very thick streak of xenophobia directed at Thais too and that, IMO, exacerbates the reaction to the Nazi imagery and makes it more virulent and irrational.

[mojorison]

My point was that they could have chosen any bad guy from a shortlist of about a million bad guys... but instead they chose the bad guy who carries a mountain of controversy and raw disdain in every corner of the (educated) world. A modicom of intelligence and good judgement would have suggested they select a slightly less offensive character, and still achieve equal impact. So once again, it shows a complete lack of comprehension for them to do it in this scenario. All the cases you mention may be grounds for using his image... but not this one. It makes light of his crimes, and basically makes a mockery of Thailand to boot. These people should be charged for bringing Thailand into disrepute.

Indeed, why did they choose Hitler?

Perhaps because of the previous cases of tone deaf students/schools doing things like Nazi themed parades or painting murals of Hitler? That is the beheaviour that is criticized in this film, which is exactly what you are doing, except you are one step behind.

Oh right... they need to do it as an example of what not to do... brilliant. Are they going to show pornography and say this is not what we do? What about re-enacting domestic violence scenes just so the audience understands that it is this they are against. Your justification is laughable. They could have picked a million other examples... this one is just too hot... and they had no idea there would be blow back. They are naive... that is my point.

[chickenrunCM]

You can not rewrite history just because you do not like the way it played out. You learn from it and do not make the same mistake repeatedly. I believe the young one clapping is not praising Hitler, but rather the quality of the painting.

There are a lot of Che Guevara, his picture is on a lot of T Shirts, was a he a "Hero", Nice Guy, I think not.

I am amazed at how sensitive some people can be, but at the same time unable or unwilling to accept criticizm even when it is well earned !!

The place to start in Thailand is "Education, Education including the outside World and History.

Stay the course General, even Christ had His critics !!

wow this is really a big joke to compare a junta general who even not allow the people talk about policts, to a religious leader,

so only that this discussion starts make clear that this movie scene is for the most people not to understand, and if it is about the quality

of the painting they could use any picture or what abput to use Charles Manson or Isama Bin Laden, Idi Amin

this shows how uneducated the whole so called thai intelucture society is, to watch this movie and aprove this movie without any coment about the Hitler scene is a shame for any THAI citizen, to have such leaders in action

[Bluespunk]

If my little girl comes home form school brandishing her newly painted Hitler picture , I'm not going to be happy

And don't get me started about the boy coming home in a Hitler T-shirt

My kids can paint pictures of Hitler if they want. T-shirt too. When I was a punk, it was the thing to have a swastika t-shirt as Sid Vicious had one.

Kids try to wind up old codg

ers.

These punks had a better point of message and didn't murder their girlfriend either.

Edit: they had talent as well.

Edited December 10, 2014 by Bluespunk

[DaveE13]

Aleg im not anti thai but i am Anti Nazi. but agree some people are xenophobic towards thais on here just as a lot of Thais are towards Farang.

[ratcatcher]

You can not rewrite history just because you do not like the way it played out. You learn from it and do not make the same mistake repeatedly. I believe the young one clapping is not praising Hitler, but rather the quality of the painting.

There are a lot of Che Guevara, his picture is on a lot of T Shirts, was a he a "Hero", Nice Guy, I think not.

I am amazed at how sensitive some people can be, but at the same time unable or unwilling to accept criticizm even when it is well earned !!

The place to start in Thailand is "Education, Education including the outside World and History.

Stay the course General, even Christ had His critics !!

wow this is really a big joke to compare a junta general who even not allow the people talk about policts, to a religious leader,

so only that this discussion starts make clear that this movie scene is for the most people not to understand, and if it is about the quality

of the painting they could use any picture or what abput to use Charles Manson or Isama Bin Laden, Idi Amin

this shows how uneducated the whole so called thai intelucture society is, to watch this movie and aprove this movie without any coment about the Hitler scene is a shame for any THAI citizen, to have such leaders in action

Maybe the director should have used a more appropriate image of the Great Dick Tater in the video.

BTW, IMHO, Jesus Christ wasn't a religious leader, he was, at the time, an annoying Jew who got up the noses of the Roman Dictators in Judaea and that made them cross.

He earned his rightful place in history as the symbol of a new religion, which in its 2000 years of history has been responsible for the deaths of more people than Hitler, if you think about it.

Everything that was done by the Christians (Catholics etc) , was in his and God's name. "Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war."

[BirdsandBooze]

Pig ignorance at it's porcine worst.

[green job]

You can not rewrite history just because you do not like the way it played out. You learn from it and do not make the same mistake repeatedly. I believe the young one clapping is not praising Hitler, but rather the quality of the painting.

There are a lot of Che Guevara, his picture is on a lot of T Shirts, was a he a "Hero", Nice Guy, I think not.

I am amazed at how sensitive some people can be, but at the same time unable or unwilling to accept criticizm even when it is well earned !!

The place to start in Thailand is "Education, Education including the outside World and History.

Stay the course General, even Christ had His critics !!

wow this is really a big joke to compare a junta general who even not allow the people talk about policts, to a religious leader,

so only that this discussion starts make clear that this movie scene is for the most people not to understand, and if it is about the quality

of the painting they could use any picture or what abput to use Charles Manson or Isama Bin Laden, Idi Amin

this shows how uneducated the whole so called thai intelucture society is, to watch this movie and aprove this movie without any coment about the Hitler scene is a shame for any THAI citizen, to have such leaders in action

Maybe the director should have used a more appropriate image of the Great Dick Tater in the video.

Dick Tater.jpg

BTW, IMHO, Jesus Christ wasn't a religious leader, he was, at the time, an annoying Jew who got up the noses of the Roman Dictators in Judaea and that made them cross.

He earned his rightful place in history as the symbol of a new religion, which in its 2000 years of history has been responsible for the deaths of more people than Hitler, if you think about it.

Everything that was done by the Christians (Catholics etc) , was in his and God's name. "Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war."

You mean,Jesus Christ was annoying jew,and and had a bigger nose than theirs ,and they made a cross for him? Your first sentence ?

A man with a religion has no brain A man with a brain has no religion

[AleG]

My point was that they could have chosen any bad guy from a shortlist of about a million bad guys... but instead they chose the bad guy who carries a mountain of controversy and raw disdain in every corner of the (educated) world. A modicom of intelligence and good judgement would have suggested they select a slightly less offensive character, and still achieve equal impact. So once again, it shows a complete lack of comprehension for them to do it in this scenario. All the cases you mention may be grounds for using his image... but not this one. It makes light of his crimes, and basically makes a mockery of Thailand to boot. These people should be charged for bringing Thailand into disrepute.

Indeed, why did they choose Hitler?

Perhaps because of the previous cases of tone deaf students/schools doing things like Nazi themed parades or painting murals of Hitler? That is the beheaviour that is criticized in this film, which is exactly what you are doing, except you are one step behind.

Oh right... they need to do it as an example of what not to do... brilliant. Are they going to show pornography and say this is not what we do? What about re-enacting domestic violence scenes just so the audience understands that it is this they are against. Your justification is laughable. They could have picked a million other examples... this one is just too hot... and they had no idea there would be blow back. They are naive... that is my point.

Have any Thai schools/students been in the news for staging pornography or domestic violence themed parades? No? then it's irrelevant.

Hitler/Nazism themes have been used by oblivious school children in Thailand (among other people), that is what the film denounces in that brief scene.