Sydney siege: Gunman takes hostages in Lindt cafe

[Jay Sata]

Time for Oz to lock their borders and check out then throw out these nasty parasites.

The UK needs to do the same.

Would you want to live with a crocodile?

[slipperylobster]

Love it. Now you are really chewing up a big slice of pie. It is how "we" Americans feel too.

Welcome to the Pie shop.

No need to be humble, when you are Proud of your brethern. It will take the air out of the nutter balloons. Show them the strength...not the weakness.

Edited December 16, 2014 by slipperylobster

[Friendly Stranger]

People pointing fingers at how perps were being tortured by the CIA. It's funny, I don't see the same fluffers on the street demonstrating against the killing of "innocent" people by these same perps.

And, where's the Muslim community in all these incidents? Why are they not looking at their own community to weed these nutters out. THEY LOSE TOO.

[Jay Sata]

People pointing fingers at how perps were being tortured by the CIA. It's funny, I don't see the same fluffers on the street demonstrating against the killing of "innocent" people by these same perps.

And, where's the Muslim community in all these incidents? Why are they not looking at their own community to weed these nutters out. THEY LOSE TOO.

I have no problem with immigrants trying to start a new life in the lucky country.

I have big issues with bludgers milking the system and trying to introduce their own crazy religions.

[Kooweerup]

A Sydney mother and a man who desperately attempted to wrestle the shotgun out of gunman Man Haron Monis' hands have been identified as the two hostages killed during this morning's tragic Martin Place siege.

The pair, along with Monis, are dead after heavily-armed police with riot shields and assault weapons stormed the Lindt cafe at the centre of a day-long siege at Martin Place in the early hours of the morning.

Barrister Katrina Dawson, 38, died of a heart attack on the way to hospital after police stormed the cafe about 2am.

The cafe's manager, 34-year-old Tori Johnson, reportedly died of a gunshot wound after attempting to wrestle the sawn-off shotgun from the gunman's hands after he began to doze off.

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/12/15/10/00/major-police-operation-in-sydneys-martin-place#uCb0jhfBGRsGkuTb.99

[RickBradford]

It is very very sad that it has ended this way with two innocent people killed.

I have no sympathy for the terrorist at all. Good riddance. Hes not a victim. He chose to walk into a cafe with a shotgun intent on violence.

But the unilateral decision by Tony Abbot to involve Australia in a civil war 8,000 miles away, which is none of its business, put Australians needlessly at risk.

No. The Islamists don't hate us for our vices, but our virtues, such as our freedom, tolerance, respect for women, and equality.

Even if Australia stayed well out of the Middle East, it would still be a target of these mediaeval crazies who hate simply for what it is and what it represents.

[Friendly Stranger]

People pointing fingers at how perps were being tortured by the CIA. It's funny, I don't see the same fluffers on the street demonstrating against the killing of "innocent" people by these same perps.

And, where's the Muslim community in all these incidents? Why are they not looking at their own community to weed these nutters out. THEY LOSE TOO.

I have no problem with immigrants trying to start a new life in the lucky country.

I have big issues with bludgers milking the system and trying to introduce their own crazy religions.

I'm for it too. I live in probably the most multicultural city in the world, Toronto.

I just don't really know what gets them off:

Unlucky or unable to assimilate in their new home.

Brainwashed.

Jealousy.

Just come here, live and respect your new home.

[Jay Sata]

Mediaeval crazies sums them up.

Of course in those times they had mediaeval torture and locking up.

If they want that then give them a slice.

This guy should never had bail.

[Jay Sata]

Never bite the hand that feeds you.

[Friendly Stranger]

A Sydney mother and a man who desperately attempted to wrestle the shotgun out of gunman Man Haron Monis' hands have been identified as the two hostages killed during this morning's tragic Martin Place siege.

The pair, along with Monis, are dead after heavily-armed police with riot shields and assault weapons stormed the Lindt cafe at the centre of a day-long siege at Martin Place in the early hours of the morning.

Barrister Katrina Dawson, 38, died of a heart attack on the way to hospital after police stormed the cafe about 2am.

The cafe's manager, 34-year-old Tori Johnson, reportedly died of a gunshot wound after attempting to wrestle the sawn-off shotgun from the gunman's hands after he began to doze off.

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/12/15/10/00/major-police-operation-in-sydneys-martin-place#uCb0jhfBGRsGkuTb.99

I'm glad you posted this as these 2 are hero's and they should be known as such. Honorable mention goes to the police too and the one that got shot.

[Jay Sata]

He should never have been allowed in to Oz.

Asylum seeking covers a multitude of sins.

[dexterm]

And, where's the Muslim community in all these incidents? Why are they not looking at their own community to weed these nutters out. THEY LOSE TOO.

"More than 40 Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney siege

Muslim organizations say they reject any attempt to take innocent lives; #illridewithyou hashtag, in support of Australian Muslims, goes viral."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.631878

I saw an interview with one guy from one of these groups who runs a program to deradicalize young Muslims. Can't recall his name.

It is easier said than done, since they become radicalized in the first place for complex different reasons.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-08/jones-terrorists-can-be-turned-around/5796544

[harryfrompattaya]

When are the Christians and Non Christians going to wake to the Muslim wants and what the Koran teaches them about non Muslims

It is just to Kill them or Convert them nothing else

[Jay Sata]

Tony Abbott is 'very concerned'. He is also fearing and warning against the 'backlash'. Muslim Leaders in Australia voiced 'condemnation'. Many International Leaders offered their 'thoughts and sympathy'. People of all Western countries do not need 'concern, condemnation, thoughts or sympathy'. What they need is a HUGE BACKLASH and abandoning of the LIBERALISM, TOLERANCE and MULTICULTURALISM towards Islam. Before it is too late. With all due respect - Islam is no joke. Stop playing with it. This is not the time for 'I told you so'. This is not the time for 'this is just the flowers - wait till you see the fruit!'. But we all are yet to see worse things. Not just Australia.

Yeah, it's no longer going to be confined to the usual places that these terrorists would target as it can happen anywhere at anytime, sadly enough.

I doubt you'll find them in Mt isa or Marble Bar ,

[Friendly Stranger]

And, where's the Muslim community in all these incidents? Why are they not looking at their own community to weed these nutters out. THEY LOSE TOO.

"More than 40 Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney siege

Muslim organizations say they reject any attempt to take innocent lives; #illridewithyou hashtag, in support of Australian Muslims, goes viral."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.631878

I saw an interview with one guy from one of these groups who runs a program to deradicalize young Muslims. Can't recall his name.

It is easier said than done, since they become radicalized in the first place for complex different reasons.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-08/jones-terrorists-can-be-turned-around/5796544

Well, I'm glad you pointed that out - good start.

I hear ya, no different than any brainwashed individual that joins any groups/gangs/organizations.

I just hope that people in the know, just don't turn a blind eye and say "I don't want to get involved" And, this is for everyone.

On the flip side: Imagine an innocent citizen/business owner or whatever of muslim faith on their treatment? I'm sure they cringe of incidents like this due to the potential backlash. This is why I said "They lose too"

Edited December 16, 2014 by Friendly Stranger

[dexterm]

Precisely..you have all jumped the gun on your Muslim bashing.

He was a nut job with a personal axe to grind ... just as I said.

BS!

Give it a rest with your apologist guesswork.

It's obvious he was a pro-ISIS muslim terrorist. His nationality is irrelevant.

The NSW police commissioner called him "unstable"

His lawyer called him "damaged goods"

His solicitor said he was "mad as a cut snake."

[canman]

Precisely..you have all jumped the gun on your Muslim bashing.

He was a nut job with a personal axe to grind ... just as I said.

BS!

Give it a rest with your apologist guesswork.

It's obvious he was a pro-ISIS muslim terrorist. His nationality is irrelevant.

The NSW police commissioner called him "unstable"

His lawyer called him "damaged goods"

His solicitor said he was "mad as a cut snake."

The scary bit is that there are 10s of thousands of them out there.

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory posts have been removed along with replies.

Please stay on topic.

[JockPieandBeans]

Precisely..you have all jumped the gun on your Muslim bashing.

He was a nut job with a personal axe to grind ... just as I said.

BS!

Give it a rest with your apologist guesswork.

It's obvious he was a pro-ISIS muslim terrorist. His nationality is irrelevant.

The NSW police commissioner called him "unstable"

His lawyer called him "damaged goods"

His solicitor said he was "mad as a cut snake."

But none of them had the swingers to call him a radicalized nutjob.

PC bullsh!t at its best.

[JockPieandBeans]

Precisely..you have all jumped the gun on your Muslim bashing.

He was a nut job with a personal axe to grind ... just as I said.

BS!

Give it a rest with your apologist guesswork.

It's obvious he was a pro-ISIS muslim terrorist. His nationality is irrelevant.

The NSW police commissioner called him "unstable"

His lawyer called him "damaged goods"

His solicitor said he was "mad as a cut snake."

The scary bit is that there are 10s of thousands of them out there.

You might want to multiply your estimate a hundred fold Canman.

There are 10's of Thousands in Iraq alone.

[phantomfiddler]

Japan has the right idea, just don,t let them in ! and what do you do when you find a snake in your house ? You get rid of it, not give it your house and $500 a week

[harryfrompattaya]

Precisely..you have all jumped the gun on your Muslim bashing.

He was a nut job with a personal axe to grind ... just as I said.

BS!

Give it a rest with your apologist guesswork.

It's obvious he was a pro-ISIS muslim terrorist. His nationality is irrelevant.

The NSW police commissioner called him "unstable"

His lawyer called him "damaged goods"

His solicitor said he was "mad as a cut snake."

I am sorry for as you say Muslim bashing. But it seems to me to many Muslims are unstable in Western Countries. That is why they do not belong in Western Countries. If I am unstable do I have right to get into head to straighten it out?

[jacksam]

What's about all the chocolate?

I love Lindt chocolate and hope they didn't shoot them all to bits.

three people dead. Two of whom are innocent victims also others injured and you post that rubbish.

Shame

[adamgordon]

I'm a Sydney boy living in Thailand. My prayers go out to those affected. This is just a one off don't hate others because of religion. May Buddha look after us all

[Mosha]

Precisely..you have all jumped the gun on your Muslim bashing.

He was a nut job with a personal axe to grind ... just as I said.

BS!

Give it a rest with your apologist guesswork.

It's obvious he was a pro-ISIS muslim terrorist. His nationality is irrelevant.

The NSW police commissioner called him "unstable"

His lawyer called him "damaged goods"

His solicitor said he was "mad as a cut snake."

7/7/2005 3 nut jobs from my home town + 1 other went to London. The mosques these nut jobs attended are now collecting money for another nut job called Jihadi John.

[kingalfred]

Precisely..you have all jumped the gun on your Muslim bashing.

He was a nut job with a personal axe to grind ... just as I said.

BS!

Give it a rest with your apologist guesswork.

It's obvious he was a pro-ISIS muslim terrorist. His nationality is irrelevant.

The NSW police commissioner called him "unstable"

His lawyer called him "damaged goods"

His solicitor said he was "mad as a cut snake."

The courts and police have a lot to answer for . A radical crazy guy with a record out on bail? Australia has the highest number of muslim radicals per head of population to go to fight in middle east,for a non islamic country, at least 70! How many more in Australian cities? http://smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/at-least-70-australians-fighting-with-terror-groups-in-iraq-and-syria-julie-bishop-20141027-11che8.html Edited December 16, 2014 by kingalfred

[empireboy]

My sincere condolences to the Families of the dead. My thoughts and sentiments are with you today and many millions around the world will be feeling similarly.

If only this hideous and tragic event were the last nail in the coffin of nonsensical 'Big Religion'...

[simple1]

Precisely..you have all jumped the gun on your Muslim bashing.

He was a nut job with a personal axe to grind ... just as I said.

BS!

Give it a rest with your apologist guesswork.

It's obvious he was a pro-ISIS muslim terrorist. His nationality is irrelevant.

The NSW police commissioner called him "unstable"

His lawyer called him "damaged goods"

His solicitor said he was "mad as a cut snake."

But none of them had the swingers to call him a radicalized nutjob.

PC bullsh!t at its best.

The killer was known to Federal & State police. Its an unfolding story and as more detail becomes available the message on the offenders background is becoming clearer and starting to focus on his support for Islamic extremism, outside of his previous 'common' criminality.

The hostage taker had a criminal record in Australia & Iran and had a website that was sympathetic to Islamic extremism.

The Australian government granted him asylum, Iran's Fars News said, despite Iranian police pursuing his return to Tehran through Interpol. I assume he was not returned to Iran as he faced the death penalty.

It's good to see a number of Muslim organisations have quickly issued condemnation of this man's actions.

[Mosha]

2 people are dead because Australia put his human rights ahead of law abiding citizens. Some countries need to wake up.

[Credo]

As convenient as it is to point the finger at Islam, this was a person with mental health issues. Those issues were exacerbated by religion.

My condolences to those who lost their lives unnecessarily.