Government wants lese majeste offenders to be sent home to face justice

[JAG]

I would suggest that most Thais have accepted the current regime, at present, not least because they are all too aware of what the leaders of the current junta are prepared to do to gain/retain power. The 2010 killings in Bangkok are seared into the memories of a great number of people. Don't confuse reluctant acquiescence with widespread approval.

Memories fade. Acquiescence is reduced. Repression and enforcement becomes more brutal. Eventually the pot boils over.

[BeforeTigers]

Who is that statement aimed at?
Certainly the man is worldly enough to know that nobody outside of Thailand gives a damn about their silly law.

So is it aimed at his base?
Endless cavalcade of weird, this little guy.

[Fred Flinstone]

Who is that statement aimed at?

Certainly the man is worldly enough to know that nobody outside of Thailand gives a damn about their silly law.

So is it aimed at his base?

Endless cavalcade of weird, this little guy.

I agree he would know that no one cares about their obsessions outside of Thailand.

I think its aimed at making Thais think this mans (general) power extends further - threats and fears etc.

The end of Abbey Road taunted a british institution over 45 years ago.

Thailand is still locking people up for far less.

The assumption we are somehow that unenlightened as to want individuals sent to prison for their freedom of speech in their own country abroad is less than intelligent.

If its A Thai Law than when in rome etc .

But it has no real right telling citizens what to think in the United States or England or Australia or Germany etc

Certainly , threatening extradition of Thai citizens who are not beholden to Thai Laws in their Host country is optimistic

Edited December 17, 2014 by Fred Flinstone

[Qent]

Speaking of rose what ever happened those Thais terrorizing her in the UK? The weird melted plastic looking high so girl and 'DJ Ken' (the guy that flashed a gun on camera while threatening her, and then went to spray paint a Thai flag on her house, turned out it was the wrong house, idiot)

I know he got arrested for that but did Rose press charges? Couple of absolute morons, the rest of the world aren't fanatical idiots like you and forcing your views on people.

Not sure what happened to the woman but that little maggot Ken got 200 hours of community service and a suspended sentence.

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Now I think about it, did the woman do anything or did she just drive around looking for Rose without success? I seem to remember that nothing came of her attempted assault but I can't be sure about that.

200 hours community service for a hi so?

Am I alone in chuckling at this?

No.

I'm chuckling at your interpretation as to what constitutes "hi so".

[ggold]

countries which support free speech don't have draconian LM laws.

The LM law is one of the most egregious violations of human rights in Thailand.

I have my own opinions regarding the human rights laws, that are human rights for whom?

In Britain for example where foreign criminals, rapists and murderers cannot be deported because it may contravene their so-called human rights, where the human rights laws can actually work against the benefits of the country and benefit more the perpetrators than the victims.

There is a difference between freedom of speech and the subversives that create politically motivated propaganda in order to disrupt and cause unrest to the stability of another country or their own countries that are in no doubt enemies of the state.

Thailand, although cannot be described as a democratic country in the true sense, is still a stable country with a relatively amount of freedom and does not need extremists and activists stirring up tensions against the system here that can be extremely damaging to Thailand as a whole.

I can see the prime minister`s point exactly.

So countries that have freedom of speech should deport Thai ex-pats to face court martial where they have little to know rights at all for simply expressing an opinion? You condone this?

The prime minister is explicitly meaning those that are the most extremist, could be classified as the enemies of Thailand.

I live in Thailand and my wife is Thai and my 3 children are all well integrated into Thai society, they are true patriotic Thai citizens. Therefore, considering that I am happy to live here and intend to remain and doing alright thank you with no ambitions to move anywhere else, I except the country for what it is and it`s values for the better and for the worse. If I were not able to do this and believed there is more freedoms elsewhere and the grass is greener over there rather than over here, than I would not stay.

For those that continue to stay in Thailand by their own choice either accept the laws and rulings of the powers that be and if they don`t and believe that justice, rights and democracy are better elsewhere are then hypocrites for continuing to stay here and not opting to move back home where their views will be acceptable and lifestyles more suited to them.

I don't think it is a question of accepting laws or what ever! Even in our own countries we criticise what happens. Besides we are by and large not effected by what happens here Politically. We are all powerless when it comes to how a country is run, even with a vote! Without criticism there is no progress, That is part of the problem here, there is no criticism allowed.

So freedom is having a view and expressing it, It doesn't require that we have to leave just because you don't like what you read?

[Bocking]

In adversity there is opportunity. If your Teerak now comes to visit you in Europe or the USA, and wishes to remain beyond the duration of his or her tourist visa, I suspect that a few well chosen comments and Twitter and FaceBook may open the door to an application for political asylum ... Just a thought

[orientalsf]

I think Prayuth has overlooked a minor obstacle in his wish to have lese majesty offenders sent home.

Most of the countries he is adressing, believe in old fashion freedom of speech!!

Freedom of speech has its limits though. Example: No yelling 'Fire' in a crowded public place or yelling 'Hijack' on an airplane. And most countries believe in the 'Rule of Law'. Most citizens of these countries do not get to pick and choose which laws they want to obey. Just food for thought.

[JOC]

I think Prayuth has overlooked a minor obstacle in his wish to have lese majesty offenders sent home.

Most of the countries he is adressing, believe in old fashion freedom of speech!!

Freedom of speech has its limits though. Example: No yelling 'Fire' in a crowded public place or yelling 'Hijack' on an airplane. And most countries believe in the 'Rule of Law'. Most citizens of these countries do not get to pick and choose which laws they want to obey. Just food for thought.

How old are you? 12?

[lildragon]

I think Prayuth has overlooked a minor obstacle in his wish to have lese majesty offenders sent home.

Most of the countries he is adressing, believe in old fashion freedom of speech!!

Freedom of speech has its limits though. Example: No yelling 'Fire' in a crowded public place or yelling 'Hijack' on an airplane. And most countries believe in the 'Rule of Law'. Most citizens of these countries do not get to pick and choose which laws they want to obey. Just food for thought.

How old are you? 12?

I am failing to see the compassion between crying wolf in public for no reason and saying you don't agree with a certain law that restricts freedom. It's not even a straw-man argument

[soalbundy]

I think Prayuth has overlooked a minor obstacle in his wish to have lese majesty offenders sent home.

Most of the countries he is adressing, believe in old fashion freedom of speech!!

Freedom of speech has its limits though. Example: No yelling 'Fire' in a crowded public place or yelling 'Hijack' on an airplane. And most countries believe in the 'Rule of Law'. Most citizens of these countries do not get to pick and choose which laws they want to obey. Just food for thought.

I can understand your line of thought. The examples you used however are logically thought out restrictions of free speech in order to protect the life and limb of others. Restrictions of opinion serve no such purpose, at least not in an immediate sense, and could be regarded as political in nature. In the case of LM it is particularly illogical when one observes the relaxed way in which the Europeans regard their monarchies to no detriment to the feelings that the European citizens have towards their sovereign's in fact one could say that there is an enhancement of feelings towards the monarchy due to these freedoms.

[tbthailand]

I think Prayuth has overlooked a minor obstacle in his wish to have lese majesty offenders sent home.

Most of the countries he is adressing, believe in old fashion freedom of speech!!

Freedom of speech has its limits though. Example: No yelling 'Fire' in a crowded public place or yelling 'Hijack' on an airplane. And most countries believe in the 'Rule of Law'. Most citizens of these countries do not get to pick and choose which laws they want to obey. Just food for thought.

First, no one is talking about such basic levels of limits on freedom of speech. LM is not about yelling 'fire' in a theater'

Second, people in other countries do have a voice in the laws that they chose. Not which they chose to obey, but which laws they have in the first place.

LM is such a draconian law that even an honest discussion on LM could lead to some nutter accusing you of LM.

The fundamental problem of this law and others like it: you don't go to prison for what you say or do, rather you go to prison for what someone else thinks about what you say or do.

[metisdead]

A trolling post has been removed as well as a reply.

[Plutojames88]

My local member called any suggestion Australians would even acknowledge the Thai PM s request as ""deluded "".

It's purely speculative - on his part that any civilised people would condone their draconian laws - let alone acknowledge him as PM with any right to Govern.

[Basil B]

Let's try to create a Thai Mossad and to execute the guilty guys in the western countries. I'd like to see that.

I am sure they could hire Mossad if they wanted...

[sjsathorn]

And here is Somsak's reply:
This news totally made my day.
feeling 'fin'
(thai slang for feeling super great)

[Fred Flinstone]

I have yet to find one piece of evidence to support this claim the Thais make

[PREM-R]

Barak Obama, speaking about the North Korean cyber attack on Sony, "we cannot allow a foreign dictator to apply censorship in America". So there we have it, good luck to the general in his quest.

[Plutojames88]

Barak Obama, speaking about the North Korean cyber attack on Sony, "we cannot allow a foreign dictator to apply censorship in America". So there we have it, good luck to the general in his quest.

check mate

[lildragon]

Who are These western nations? We have been waiting days now. Oh look! A flying pig!

Edited December 20, 2014 by lildragon

[Fred Flinstone]

Planned anti Thai Government and LM laws - protests in Sydney and Government approval in form of permitting Town Hall use after application.

ABC broadcaster highly supportive

Twitter from several western nations all out to expose fabrication .

This seems to be back firing

[lildragon]

I bet in North Korea that they are reporting that the western world is shaking in its boots at their great leader Kim Jong-Un...

Problem is Thais Will Get to see the backlash of this spectacular own goal by the regime here. It won't be reported on television But the internet will be awash with news. A victory for freedom of thought and expression.

[Fred Flinstone]

I bet in North Korea that they are reporting that the western world is shaking in its boots at their great leader Kim Jong-Un...

Problem is Thais Will Get to see the backlash of this spectacular own goal by the regime here. It won't be reported on television But the internet will be awash with news. A victory for freedom of thought and expression.

Yes the Thais will be deeply ashamed of the deceit

[LazarusRising]

Idiotic statement purely for domestic consumption. Such fairytales could once be force fed to the lower classes as facts, nowadays as another thread highlights most Thais have iPhones and get their news from more reliable sources than Junta mouthpieces. The times they are a changing!

[Fred Flinstone]

Idiotic statement purely for domestic consumption. Such fairytales could once be force fed to the lower classes as facts, nowadays as another thread highlights most Thais have iPhones and get their news from more reliable sources than Junta mouthpieces. The times they are a changing!

It might even be a threat ?

Having seen the ""other "" Military leader make Sony Back down - it could be an attempt to intimidate Western leaders ?

Though , the article did say they have agreed already?

Just not who?

Its very interesting and i somehow think he needs to be more honest with the world (if not Thais )

The Free Thai Organisation is an American example where Government there approves of its statements .

Australia has similar Government approval for Thai groups so one wonders who they refer to ""which western Governments?

Edited December 20, 2014 by Fred Flinstone

[Fred Flinstone]

Barak Obama, speaking about the North Korean cyber attack on Sony, "we cannot allow a foreign dictator to apply censorship in America". So there we have it, good luck to the general in his quest.

check mate

They are suggesting getting the truth into North Korea to its people http://cnn.it/1wKgRYN

This is a good plan in Thailand too

Edited December 20, 2014 by Fred Flinstone

[rubl]

Planned anti Thai Government and LM laws - protests in Sydney and Government approval in form of permitting Town Hall use after application.

ABC broadcaster highly supportive

Twitter from several western nations all out to expose fabrication .

This seems to be back firing

It would seem Sydney Town Hall is popular with protesters of any kind. Last month we even had

"Thousands attended a 'Hands Off Our ABC' rally at Town Hall, Sydney on November 22, 2014."

[Fred Flinstone]

Planned anti Thai Government and LM laws - protests in Sydney and Government approval in form of permitting Town Hall use after application.

ABC broadcaster highly supportive

Twitter from several western nations all out to expose fabrication .

This seems to be back firing

It would seem Sydney Town Hall is popular with protesters of any kind. Last month we even had

"Thousands attended a 'Hands Off Our ABC' rally at Town Hall, Sydney on November 22, 2014."

Absolutely True -

You get approval its great!

Mass coverage thousands heart of Sydney - it goes global .

The ABC rally was about Australian Government cuts to The ABC TV …the TV media on all channels ran with it.

Print Media - Twitter - Facebook.

Gough Whitam's state funeral was fantastic there.

Yes i think its a marvellous venue for Freedom of speech and its Great To live in such a country-

The American Government have approved of ""Free Thai Movement "" run by Thais.

So again more freedom of expression .

I am sure the Germans - French - and British , as well as New zealand , Italy , Swiss , Norway , all have similar views on freedom of speech and appropriate places to conduct it.

Its what makes us Great !

Edited December 20, 2014 by Fred Flinstone

[soalbundy]

Planned anti Thai Government and LM laws - protests in Sydney and Government approval in form of permitting Town Hall use after application.

ABC broadcaster highly supportive

Twitter from several western nations all out to expose fabrication .

This seems to be back firing

You wont see that on Thai news, we are all happy happy here.

[soalbundy]

I bet in North Korea that they are reporting that the western world is shaking in its boots at their great leader Kim Jong-Un...

Problem is Thais Will Get to see the backlash of this spectacular own goal by the regime here. It won't be reported on television But the internet will be awash with news. A victory for freedom of thought and expression.

Yes the Thais will be deeply ashamed of the deceit

I doubt that,they are used to it,from the government and from their fellow Thais, everything has to be shown to be hunky dory on the outside even if they have two daughters working in the bar in Pattaya to pay for the new car which they can afford because the husband earns sooooo much money.

[rubl]

Absolutely True -

You get approval its great!

Mass coverage thousands heart of Sydney - it goes global .

The ABC rally was about Australian Government cuts to The ABC TV …the TV media on all channels ran with it.

Print Media - Twitter - Facebook.

Gough Whitam's state funeral was fantastic there.

Yes i think its a marvellous venue for Freedom of speech and its Great To live in such a country-

The American Government have approved of ""Free Thai Movement "" run by Thais.

So again more freedom of expression .

I am sure the Germans - French - and British , as well as New zealand , Italy , Swiss , Norway , all have similar views on freedom of speech and appropriate places to conduct it.

Its what makes us Great !

Apart from the VOA article from 2014-06-25 with

"Jarupong tells VOA that true victory to rid Thailand of its latest military government may take a long time but he will pursue it “through non-violent means just like Gandhi and the Dalai Lama.”"

http://www.voanews.com/content/free-thai-movement-leader-pledges-no-violence/1944413.html

I haven't heard or read much about the FT-HD. I certainly missed the American 'approval'. A quick search fails me. Any pointer on this, Fred ?